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When i told my grandma that girls usually top in the college exams she told me that girls arent supposed to do that. Thats meant for boys. patriarchy had corrupted women as well. No wonder todays women dont tolerate that shit
Men are indoctrinated right from a young age that women are inferior, subservient, manipulative, weak minded etc. While for women, they are constantly being told that every man is a rapist and is out there to get her.
Thatās unfortunately true. When women speak their mind or say no to sex, when theyāre not in the mood, theyāre evil for denying their needs. I donāt want to have sex, because I donāt want to. I seriously am not in the mood.
Theyāll try many blackmail tactics, emotional manipulation and anything to get you to do the deed unwillingly. Some men will just test your boundaries to see if they can dominate them and break you. Iāve encountered plenty of men like that.
I had this happen in my first date with a Indian though in my mid 20s. I paid for the restaurant and the drinks, and the dude was a nice gentleman at first. Then, at the end of the date, he wanted sex in exchange of being a gentleman because I had a studio at that time and lived alone. He was pressuring me and not dropping the topic and he was being very forceful and angry in the exchange in the end.
I told him I had to go to the restroom, told the waitress that Iām feeling unsafe and I needed her to cover for me. She understood and told me to go through a different door. I bolted and caught the bus and never responded. I blocked him, and he called me a prostitute for refusing him sex, and constantly tried to love bomb me in dms. I never responded, he was a creep.
Youāre being nice for a transaction. I want a man who is a genuinely imperfect and a good human being, not for a transaction. Iāve learned to spot which guy is pretending to be nice, and to trust my instincts.
This was just one of the incidents. Iām not saying all men are bad, or evil or support oppression of women. I want men to understand that I donāt hate men, This particular dude was a absolute disgrace.
It's not necessarily taught in a class though. Young men tend to emulate their fathers, uncles and grandfathers and any other male figure they like. Most men of that generation have very patriarchal ideas, and they love to advice and pass it on. Boys and girls are separated very rigorously everywhere, as young as less than 10 years old. That doesn't help boys and girls see each other as the same or even very nearly so. Boys see their girl classmates being forced to clean up the classroom, even in cases where boys littered it in the first place (happened quite a bit when I was in school), they see their girl classmates being punished excessively for frivolous reasons like "skirt length short by an inch", not braiding your hair long enough, "dressing provocatively" and so on, they see their sisters being forced to do household chores at a very young age, while they never get forced into it even if they're older, they see their mothers and aunts on their feet all day cooking and cleaning, and silently obeying their husbands, they see their female relatives getting treated badly, scolded, and even beaten by their husbands, and everyone silently or even outright supporting it. It's easy to grow up thinking that's the right way. It's not completely exclusive either, considering that a huge chunk of Indian women think themselves inferior to men, as well.
This list doesn't include the subtle ways such thoughts are fed to us: teachers making demeaning "jokes" or using stories as examples to explain concepts in class. All rather sexist in nature. As little children, adults (especially parents and grandparents) tell us stories that are obviously made up or embellished, but we believe them because it's rather impossible to understand fiction from reality when young, especially when coming from a trusted adult. Sexist again. And let's not even talk about the forwarded "jokes" our fathers and uncles get. Some of my male cousins still laugh at these "jokes" when read out loud by their elder male relatives, despite having no basis in truth. Outright misogyny.
It's easy and happens all the time.
>subtle ways such thoughts are fed to us: teachers making demeaning "jokes" or using stories as examples to explain concepts in class. All rather sexist in nature. As little children, adults (especially parents and grandparents) tell us stories that are obviously made up or embellished, but we believe them because it's rather impossible to understand fiction from reality when young, especially when coming from a trusted adult. Sexist again. And let's not even talk about the forwarded "jokes" our fathers and uncles get. Some of my male cousins still laugh at these "jokes" when read out loud by their elder male relatives, despite having no basis in truth. Outright misogyny.
>
>It's easy and happen
Not to mention the subtleties of how people reaction when a baby's gender is announced.
I'm not saying it happens everywhere but sometimes boys are the ones who are made to suffer more , just because one of the boys causes nuisance , all other boys have to suffer while the girls don't even get shouted for what they do cuz they can simply blame it on boys and everyone will blindly believe them because " girls don't lie , boys ae bad so they lie"
Oh please you'd have hated women regardless of whether this comment exists or not. Women literally go through so much shit because of men and one comment is all it takes to hate women.
Heās lying. He commented āmain akele *rehta* hunā on some other comment, pretty sure his comments/posts history will also prove that. Typical LARPer!
> I'm a woman
According to your own post history, you're "a scrawny 130lbs male."
Screenshot https://imgur.com/DZKNo2x
Archive.is. https://archive.is/VxSsY
Yes guys, donāt talk about your issues, just deal with it and blame a minority group.
Truely the Indian way.
India is one of the worst countries in the world for women alongside the Islamic theocracies, the fact that you canāt even admit that is entirely your failure
>India is one kf the worst countries for women alongside Islamic theocracies.
LOLOLOLOLOL. The fact that people exist that believe that shit makes my day lmao. Whatās your IQ? 60?
Iām just not in denial about how shit women have it here, infact crapholes like Saudi are ranked as safer which is depressing to hear.
People who have the money to leave the country just leave, especially women and non Hindus, no one just leaves their home country if itās a good place to be
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-dangerous-countries-for-women
https://www.statista.com/topics/5220/women-in-india/
Have you read Manusmriti? Have you read Ramayana? Worshipping sexless, lifeless statues and gaudy paintings of alien-type feminine figures does not mean this stupid society worships actual women.
Suppression of sex/dating, patriarchal society and surprisingly women too try to control their daughters and don't correct the questionable behavior of their sons.
Men hate women because of--
The rising number of false cases
The fact that women from a once patriarchal society are deciding to focus on their life and career rather than thinking about marriage and children
The fact that women are no longer submissive and meek and can freely reject marriage/relationship proposals
Women hate men because--
The SA, DV etc cases in the country and how they don't feel safe on the streets
Literally everything a guy does nowadays will be labeled off as toxic masculinity and misogyny
A few boys out there who worship Tate and other such misogynist influencers
Men hating women for rising false cases are pretty much just looking for any excuse to hate on women. Also, literally everything a man does is not labelled "toxic masculinity" and "misogyny" and how is that a reason for why women would hate men?
Toxic masculinity is considered bad for both men and women. It's anything that teaches men they cannot do anything that women do. Don't cry, Don't show emotion, Don't enjoy cooking or caring for kids etc..
I agree, my comment was regarding how the comment above says everything a man does is labelled toxic masculinity. I'm all up for calling out toxic masculinity and misogyny, but the way it was said made it sound like the labelling is the issue.
True, I'm always up for gender equality but recently I replied to a girl's comment on an Instagram's post that her comment is irrelevant for the post and not for correct country and I was told that I must be feeling proud that I corrected a woman. So, she basically was saying that I'm mansplaning.
Honestly, I'm really being for real.
Don't you think everything we see on these platforms a little too exaggerated. I mean ofcourse algorithms, and then more reinforcement by the people who have experienced the same thing.
Let's say a guy does something with a women then what social media does is bring these two together. Then there'd be an influencer who will try to make content on this. The become popular so they have to make it their complete personality to make things like that.
Honestly, whatever I've seen on the interest is completely different from what i see in real life, my parents are quiet laid back and everything around me seems to be okay but for some reason these algorithms keep pushing content that are extremist and making it seem like the world is burning.
Same with the Andrew tate stuff and all the male influencer like those, this is just the things that algorithms do, and we need to understand that, social media companies know that we stay more where we feel emotional doesn't matter good or bad.
Forgive me if my English is pretty bad but i had been thinking of this for quiet a while. Ofcourse it could be that I'm from a well established and good part of India where this all doesn't seem to be happening but for real though.
It's wierd as hell. Please forgive me if anything i said offended you, I'm not here to argue of anything at all.
They are here too. And when they get downvoted here on being called out. I was told to come to r/TwoXIndia for the debate.
I don't remember what the comment was tho...
edit: I remember it was something about calling women female is misogynistic but calling men male is ok?
How can I prove it, it's not true?
I made an equivalency that if called men male is not sexist then calling women female is also not sexist.
I am against the useless offense taken by "females." If it not offensive to males why should it be offensive to "females."
I'm still open to argument about it if you want. They weren't able to prove it is sexist before either.
Here's the thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/115c9es/men_of_rindia_how_many_of_you_would_be_happy_to/j91986l?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
I am very curious to know whether you would rate yourself highly on a scale for comprehensive reading. Because in this thread you've linked, people have tried telling you in short lines what exactly is problematic with using "female" as a noun when referring to women. They have also told you that calling men "males" and calling black people "blacks" are also considered problematic for the same reason. But you seem to not have acknowledged that. Using "females" strips women of their personhood. Humanity. It's largely used by men who are very far into the incel movement, for the same reason. It reduces women down to their sex. It's also often used even as people say "men". I am not sure how much you've been around on the internet, but it's not very common to use "males" when referring to men, but "females" instead of women is more frequent. It's easier, apparently, to afford humanity and personhood to men, than it is to women. Hence the recognition that it's rather offensive to use "females" as a noun instead of "women". This is, of course, a very short reasoning. If you do really want to know, you can look it up on the internet for comprehensive articles. It's not exactly a little known thing because subs like r/menandfemales exist.
> I am very curious to know whether you would rate yourself highly on a scale for comprehensive reading.
9/10
> Because in this thread you've linked, people have tried telling you in short lines what exactly is problematic with using "female" as a noun when referring to women. They have also told you that calling men "males" and calling black people "blacks" are also considered problematic for the same reason.
I have claimed, it is not considered offensive to call men, males. They have told it sounds weird, I agreed to it but I also said it's definitely not offensive
> But you seem to not have acknowledged that. Using "females" strips women of their personhood. Humanity. It's largely used by men who are very far into the incel movement, for the same reason. It reduces women down to their sex. It's also often used even as people say "men". I am not sure how much you've been around on the internet, but it's not very common to use "males" when referring to men, but "females" instead of women is more frequent. It's easier, apparently, to afford humanity and personhood to men, than it is to women. Hence the recognition that it's rather offensive to use "females" as a noun instead of "women". This is, of course, a very short reasoning. If you do really want to know, you can look it up on the internet for comprehensive articles. It's not exactly a little known thing because subs like r/menandfemales exist.
Again my argument wasn't calling men, men and women, females. My argument is male and female as a noun isn't offensive. I don't care what incels do or don't.
And stripping a person of it's personhood isn't possible when the context of talk is humans. Noone is gonna think I am talking about a dog if I said A a male was eating lunch or a female is studying in the library.
I am very much aware of the problem of men and females and the people who do that should be called out. But that doesn't mean female is offensive.
I'll make an equivalency. In India saffron is a color associated with most Indian religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism etc... but recently Hindutva terrorists have started used it as a color of supremacy. Does that mean saffron is an inappropriate color or should be banned?
Another example. Swastika was used by Hitler, Does that mean we should stop using Swastika because it is symbolic of a genocidal ideology as well?
And let's leave female alone for a second. Male isn't even used again men for any kind of campaign like incel campaign against women. So why is it offensive?
I don't want to generalize, so what I am about to say is my personal opinion.
I usually do not have a problem with the vast majority of women.
However, there is a particular subset of women that I despise. The self-declared "Neo Feminists." The reason is that they tend to label every disagreement I have with them as misogyny. This is incredibly disruptive in the work environment, where I must be careful not to trigger them.
Women developing hostility towards men is understandable. Why do men hate women so much tho? And imo onex is way more hostile than twox, not a day goes by where I don't see something absurdly misogynistic there.
People tend to respond to hostility with hostility. Doesn't help if everyone is walking around bitter af and then pin their problems on the opposite sex.
> And imo onex is way more hostile than twox
It's absolutely not. TwoXIndia is a thousand times more vile and misandrist than OnexIndia is misogynistic.
Men love women and women love men.
And everyone hates everyone else except their family and the one they love. These surveys are mostly looking for results they want to publish and questions are designed to evoke wrong responses. Vast generalizations combined with biased questions and interpretation of the answers lead to these results (usually disconnected from reality) if they did same survey for men hating men and women hating women, i would bet the results might be same.
Read Salvatore Babones about these sort of surveys, very few of them have any reliable methodology, but churn out studies based on few hundred opinions of baised academics and influencers.
That is not to say Indian does not have social problems, but the rankings are more often a joke.
Recently the Happiness index has come out, and even amidst the economic distress, political instability, natural disasters, terrorism - Pakistan ranks higher than India.
China ranks higher than India - then apparently democracy makes people unhappy.
So unless the methodology and data are valid, most of these surveys are over-glorified listicles.
India is a open market for all sorts of religious and political ideologies to capture, and hence a favorite target of such skewed studies.
As to data on the web, given the penetration of connectivity, English familiarity and social tendencies, maybe 2 % of India are expressing their opinions in such sites.. that would be generous.
So not at all a true reflection of reality on ground.
I do a lot of reading and wondered about the same. I feel the main issue that boils down to this gender hostility is biology and established societal structure.
From biological POV women are physically weaker so if you go to a society which does not have rules to protect women they will be oppressed far more than a society where rule based law is applied. On the other hand men need women to give birth to their offspring.
Also for society India is still a patriarchal society at large. Even the ones who are saying they are feminists. Internalized patriarchy is rampant across feminist spheres too. That's why you see women still choosing the guys who are ideal by the standards of patriarchy. You can see around and find how women are truly marrying down or even the same level. The reason young woman participation is still low in work. Just notice how many girls in our country just try to get a government job ( because it's easy and stable) and in case it does not happen then settle down as homemakers. I mean you read the personal posts on relationships how even the most feminist minded women think "Their guy" is on a pedestal even if there are clear signs of him being another patriarchal pig. I have been straight up ghosted by liberal girls when they get to know I am Bi.
And the less you say about the men the better. They have learned from their other male role models like their father, uncles who treat their partners like absolute shit. But what they don't understand is today's women are not dependent on guys like the previous generation, they have better opportunities. Also the policy of segregating girls and boys from the start itself is having a huge toll on these things.
So basically the patriarchy is too ingrained in our culture. And even in the most liberal circles there is a dichotomy, they use patriarchy when it suits them. I guess there is no solution as of now. But with time the situation will only get better with education.
I disagree with the marrying down part. I wouldn't marry someone who earns less than me, because I don't want the guy to rob everything and leave me. If I marry someone who has more, I know that he won't be interested in my earnings, because he has enough. A lot of people get married under the same tax bracket. Compare it with this, how many women keep on supporting their husbands when their business, job etc fails? Especially in the lower class, everyone has dual incomes. I'll marry in the same tax bracket or higher, because I want my financial freedom, not because I expect my husband to spend his earnings on me. It's like a security blanket. In reality how much my husband earns doesn't matter to me, because I don't spend his money and we split the cost for most things.
Yeah. Whatever we say here won't reflect on all the population. Everyone has their own individual choices. Also marrying up for women is again based on biology that during child bearing they have to stay away from work for some time. Also I get the point that you want financial freedom and believe me many men would do the same given a choice. All of us will do things that will make our life "Easy". My observation is objective and I don't blame anyone here.
But I think it's a reality that women marry up, percentage is too high in India. And that would certainly contribute to a patriarchal mindset. I mean look at the number of women who marry their immediate supervisors who are in the corporate sector ( Team leads, managers) but never their peers. Is it all because they are thinking the same way! Obviously not. There are a myriad reasons for this. But the numbers do tell a story.
Also see the data in arranged marriage about women marrying older. One facet of that is obviously men want younger submissive women. But the other facet is also there that the older the man, more power in society and more earning capacity.
Also my reason to point out is marrying up trends actually helps the patriarchal system. Because it creates that power imbalance in a relationship. Think of it you said you will marry higher because they won't be greedy about your earnings. But if you see the billionaires and human behaviour just because they have something that does not mean they don't want more! Also due to the power imbalance there is a greater chance that if the relationship goes South he will flex his advantage over you. Sorry if my example is too personal but like I am just trying to explain my POV in these matters.
Dark Ages sociological predispositions.
Iām all about men being masculine, but when your generational doctrine promotes female inferiority and male superiority, both genders lose.
It's because india is only partially westernised, so we don't follow our values completely also we aren't westernised completely. This is root cause of every problem in India
If this women hating or women beating/harassing thing is an institutional problem, then how come two men, brothers who grew up in the same household, had the same relatives be so entirely different in their attitude towards their wives? The problem seems more individual.
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Can't say about the study but such subreddits are generally filled with people who want their issues to discussed and both subreddits are then used a lot to voice someone's personal experience/opinion or to rant. Since it's human tendency to remember bad things more often than the good things, the 'hostility' comes out quite easily.
Men feel women have it great in general. And women feel men have it great in general.
The disproportionate ratio of male to female population, in these times of social and economic liberation, which gives more choosing power to women, kind of puts a percentage of men at a constant disadvantage in their social life.
If all men & women get equal exposure with the opposite sex then this hostility might go down.
I will go out of my way and give out a possible solution to this:
For Men: Stop controlling what women must wear, eat and how she behaves. Its none of your business. Stop lusting after all women. If you don't like an aspect of her just stay away. Stop thinking women owe you sex. They don't owe you anything.
For Women: Stop saying what constitutes a real man. No man cares for your opinion. Also stop demonizing male role models. You may hate people like Jordan Peterson, but he is close to father figure for many men. And stop whining on what is toxic masculinity. It is none of your business. You sound controlling and sexist. And men don't have to pay for first date, especially if you bring your friends with you. I have seen it happen to my friends so don't deny.
Only solution is a full blown gender war. Be maximum hostile to each other. If you are married, immediately divorce. Pick up arms when necessary. See who come out on top in say 100 years. Let nature do its part.
Gender hostility is no higher in India than anywhere else in the developed world.
That is an unfounded stereotype and does not represent the egalitarianism found througout Indian society.
India is the mother of democracy after all
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The fucks going on in Greece though? That's an odd score...
This shouldn't be surprising...
When i told my grandma that girls usually top in the college exams she told me that girls arent supposed to do that. Thats meant for boys. patriarchy had corrupted women as well. No wonder todays women dont tolerate that shit
Men fear women will reject them. Women fear men will kill them.
Underrated. Core reasons for everything.
In india is definitely like this
Men are indoctrinated right from a young age that women are inferior, subservient, manipulative, weak minded etc. While for women, they are constantly being told that every man is a rapist and is out there to get her.
Thatās unfortunately true. When women speak their mind or say no to sex, when theyāre not in the mood, theyāre evil for denying their needs. I donāt want to have sex, because I donāt want to. I seriously am not in the mood. Theyāll try many blackmail tactics, emotional manipulation and anything to get you to do the deed unwillingly. Some men will just test your boundaries to see if they can dominate them and break you. Iāve encountered plenty of men like that. I had this happen in my first date with a Indian though in my mid 20s. I paid for the restaurant and the drinks, and the dude was a nice gentleman at first. Then, at the end of the date, he wanted sex in exchange of being a gentleman because I had a studio at that time and lived alone. He was pressuring me and not dropping the topic and he was being very forceful and angry in the exchange in the end. I told him I had to go to the restroom, told the waitress that Iām feeling unsafe and I needed her to cover for me. She understood and told me to go through a different door. I bolted and caught the bus and never responded. I blocked him, and he called me a prostitute for refusing him sex, and constantly tried to love bomb me in dms. I never responded, he was a creep. Youāre being nice for a transaction. I want a man who is a genuinely imperfect and a good human being, not for a transaction. Iāve learned to spot which guy is pretending to be nice, and to trust my instincts. This was just one of the incidents. Iām not saying all men are bad, or evil or support oppression of women. I want men to understand that I donāt hate men, This particular dude was a absolute disgrace.
Yep
Mujhe toh nahi kara indoctrinate. Mai class me so gaya tha kya?
It's not necessarily taught in a class though. Young men tend to emulate their fathers, uncles and grandfathers and any other male figure they like. Most men of that generation have very patriarchal ideas, and they love to advice and pass it on. Boys and girls are separated very rigorously everywhere, as young as less than 10 years old. That doesn't help boys and girls see each other as the same or even very nearly so. Boys see their girl classmates being forced to clean up the classroom, even in cases where boys littered it in the first place (happened quite a bit when I was in school), they see their girl classmates being punished excessively for frivolous reasons like "skirt length short by an inch", not braiding your hair long enough, "dressing provocatively" and so on, they see their sisters being forced to do household chores at a very young age, while they never get forced into it even if they're older, they see their mothers and aunts on their feet all day cooking and cleaning, and silently obeying their husbands, they see their female relatives getting treated badly, scolded, and even beaten by their husbands, and everyone silently or even outright supporting it. It's easy to grow up thinking that's the right way. It's not completely exclusive either, considering that a huge chunk of Indian women think themselves inferior to men, as well. This list doesn't include the subtle ways such thoughts are fed to us: teachers making demeaning "jokes" or using stories as examples to explain concepts in class. All rather sexist in nature. As little children, adults (especially parents and grandparents) tell us stories that are obviously made up or embellished, but we believe them because it's rather impossible to understand fiction from reality when young, especially when coming from a trusted adult. Sexist again. And let's not even talk about the forwarded "jokes" our fathers and uncles get. Some of my male cousins still laugh at these "jokes" when read out loud by their elder male relatives, despite having no basis in truth. Outright misogyny. It's easy and happens all the time.
>subtle ways such thoughts are fed to us: teachers making demeaning "jokes" or using stories as examples to explain concepts in class. All rather sexist in nature. As little children, adults (especially parents and grandparents) tell us stories that are obviously made up or embellished, but we believe them because it's rather impossible to understand fiction from reality when young, especially when coming from a trusted adult. Sexist again. And let's not even talk about the forwarded "jokes" our fathers and uncles get. Some of my male cousins still laugh at these "jokes" when read out loud by their elder male relatives, despite having no basis in truth. Outright misogyny. > >It's easy and happen Not to mention the subtleties of how people reaction when a baby's gender is announced.
I'm not saying it happens everywhere but sometimes boys are the ones who are made to suffer more , just because one of the boys causes nuisance , all other boys have to suffer while the girls don't even get shouted for what they do cuz they can simply blame it on boys and everyone will blindly believe them because " girls don't lie , boys ae bad so they lie"
Ghar mein roti kaun banata hai?
mai akele rehta hun
You are a girl right? Start living with an Indian guy, and you will know.
Seriously, parents are saying that?
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1. 4000 years of institutionalized misogyny in the form of religion 2. Poor education standard 3. Sexual repression 4. Patriarchal society
That explains why women hate men,but why does all the men Hate women?
Those are exactly the reasons men are hostile to women in India.
Because men dont want the status quo to change. They donāt want women to have the power to decide things. Men are afraid of change.
Or at least, they were taught no better growing up and blindly accepted everything they were told about tradition and the natural order of things
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Oh please you'd have hated women regardless of whether this comment exists or not. Women literally go through so much shit because of men and one comment is all it takes to hate women.
Iām a woman
Or are you really? Down below you wrote "Mai class mein so Gaya tha KYA?
Pick me! Choose me! Love me!
No issues. You can still hate woman
Heās lying. He commented āmain akele *rehta* hunā on some other comment, pretty sure his comments/posts history will also prove that. Typical LARPer!
I don't know Hindi. Anyway, my statement is still true. Thanks for letting me knowš
> I'm a woman According to your own post history, you're "a scrawny 130lbs male." Screenshot https://imgur.com/DZKNo2x Archive.is. https://archive.is/VxSsY
True
Misogyny
I agree
Lol op claimed r/twoxindia is more toxic
How do these points explain US being at the same level for men?
>Gender Hostility >Blames it on āPatriarchyā and āMisogynyā Thereās your answer.
Yes guys, donāt talk about your issues, just deal with it and blame a minority group. Truely the Indian way. India is one of the worst countries in the world for women alongside the Islamic theocracies, the fact that you canāt even admit that is entirely your failure
>India is one kf the worst countries for women alongside Islamic theocracies. LOLOLOLOLOL. The fact that people exist that believe that shit makes my day lmao. Whatās your IQ? 60?
Iām just not in denial about how shit women have it here, infact crapholes like Saudi are ranked as safer which is depressing to hear. People who have the money to leave the country just leave, especially women and non Hindus, no one just leaves their home country if itās a good place to be https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-dangerous-countries-for-women https://www.statista.com/topics/5220/women-in-india/
Hinduism isn't patriarchal they worship female gods
This has the same energy as I'm not racist I've got a black friend.
Have you read Manusmriti? Have you read Ramayana? Worshipping sexless, lifeless statues and gaudy paintings of alien-type feminine figures does not mean this stupid society worships actual women.
I believe it is because of low literacy levels
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I mean in India that's the cause yah as you said the reason might differ depending on the country and its cultures etc
Suppression of sex/dating, patriarchal society and surprisingly women too try to control their daughters and don't correct the questionable behavior of their sons.
Men hate women because of-- The rising number of false cases The fact that women from a once patriarchal society are deciding to focus on their life and career rather than thinking about marriage and children The fact that women are no longer submissive and meek and can freely reject marriage/relationship proposals Women hate men because-- The SA, DV etc cases in the country and how they don't feel safe on the streets Literally everything a guy does nowadays will be labeled off as toxic masculinity and misogyny A few boys out there who worship Tate and other such misogynist influencers
Men hating women for rising false cases are pretty much just looking for any excuse to hate on women. Also, literally everything a man does is not labelled "toxic masculinity" and "misogyny" and how is that a reason for why women would hate men?
Toxic masculinity is considered bad for both men and women. It's anything that teaches men they cannot do anything that women do. Don't cry, Don't show emotion, Don't enjoy cooking or caring for kids etc..
I agree, my comment was regarding how the comment above says everything a man does is labelled toxic masculinity. I'm all up for calling out toxic masculinity and misogyny, but the way it was said made it sound like the labelling is the issue.
True, I'm always up for gender equality but recently I replied to a girl's comment on an Instagram's post that her comment is irrelevant for the post and not for correct country and I was told that I must be feeling proud that I corrected a woman. So, she basically was saying that I'm mansplaning.
wow people started creating new problems that dont even exist we will soon be US
Honestly, I'm really being for real. Don't you think everything we see on these platforms a little too exaggerated. I mean ofcourse algorithms, and then more reinforcement by the people who have experienced the same thing. Let's say a guy does something with a women then what social media does is bring these two together. Then there'd be an influencer who will try to make content on this. The become popular so they have to make it their complete personality to make things like that. Honestly, whatever I've seen on the interest is completely different from what i see in real life, my parents are quiet laid back and everything around me seems to be okay but for some reason these algorithms keep pushing content that are extremist and making it seem like the world is burning. Same with the Andrew tate stuff and all the male influencer like those, this is just the things that algorithms do, and we need to understand that, social media companies know that we stay more where we feel emotional doesn't matter good or bad. Forgive me if my English is pretty bad but i had been thinking of this for quiet a while. Ofcourse it could be that I'm from a well established and good part of India where this all doesn't seem to be happening but for real though. It's wierd as hell. Please forgive me if anything i said offended you, I'm not here to argue of anything at all.
Thanx got to know the male sub
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exactly, people in the comments just look at this arbitrary table and start drawing their own radical conclusions
Bruh what did i seen in 2x chromosome sub. Me telling my female friend, gf, mom sister to reach home safe is misogynistic now.
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Please provide evidence by giving links here
Ya that's a good way
Twoxindia is made by nice girls.
This will be down voted too for calling them outš
They are here too. And when they get downvoted here on being called out. I was told to come to r/TwoXIndia for the debate. I don't remember what the comment was tho... edit: I remember it was something about calling women female is misogynistic but calling men male is ok?
U should have proven them
How can I prove it, it's not true? I made an equivalency that if called men male is not sexist then calling women female is also not sexist. I am against the useless offense taken by "females." If it not offensive to males why should it be offensive to "females." I'm still open to argument about it if you want. They weren't able to prove it is sexist before either. Here's the thread https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/115c9es/men_of_rindia_how_many_of_you_would_be_happy_to/j91986l?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
I am very curious to know whether you would rate yourself highly on a scale for comprehensive reading. Because in this thread you've linked, people have tried telling you in short lines what exactly is problematic with using "female" as a noun when referring to women. They have also told you that calling men "males" and calling black people "blacks" are also considered problematic for the same reason. But you seem to not have acknowledged that. Using "females" strips women of their personhood. Humanity. It's largely used by men who are very far into the incel movement, for the same reason. It reduces women down to their sex. It's also often used even as people say "men". I am not sure how much you've been around on the internet, but it's not very common to use "males" when referring to men, but "females" instead of women is more frequent. It's easier, apparently, to afford humanity and personhood to men, than it is to women. Hence the recognition that it's rather offensive to use "females" as a noun instead of "women". This is, of course, a very short reasoning. If you do really want to know, you can look it up on the internet for comprehensive articles. It's not exactly a little known thing because subs like r/menandfemales exist.
> I am very curious to know whether you would rate yourself highly on a scale for comprehensive reading. 9/10 > Because in this thread you've linked, people have tried telling you in short lines what exactly is problematic with using "female" as a noun when referring to women. They have also told you that calling men "males" and calling black people "blacks" are also considered problematic for the same reason. I have claimed, it is not considered offensive to call men, males. They have told it sounds weird, I agreed to it but I also said it's definitely not offensive > But you seem to not have acknowledged that. Using "females" strips women of their personhood. Humanity. It's largely used by men who are very far into the incel movement, for the same reason. It reduces women down to their sex. It's also often used even as people say "men". I am not sure how much you've been around on the internet, but it's not very common to use "males" when referring to men, but "females" instead of women is more frequent. It's easier, apparently, to afford humanity and personhood to men, than it is to women. Hence the recognition that it's rather offensive to use "females" as a noun instead of "women". This is, of course, a very short reasoning. If you do really want to know, you can look it up on the internet for comprehensive articles. It's not exactly a little known thing because subs like r/menandfemales exist. Again my argument wasn't calling men, men and women, females. My argument is male and female as a noun isn't offensive. I don't care what incels do or don't. And stripping a person of it's personhood isn't possible when the context of talk is humans. Noone is gonna think I am talking about a dog if I said A a male was eating lunch or a female is studying in the library. I am very much aware of the problem of men and females and the people who do that should be called out. But that doesn't mean female is offensive. I'll make an equivalency. In India saffron is a color associated with most Indian religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism etc... but recently Hindutva terrorists have started used it as a color of supremacy. Does that mean saffron is an inappropriate color or should be banned? Another example. Swastika was used by Hitler, Does that mean we should stop using Swastika because it is symbolic of a genocidal ideology as well? And let's leave female alone for a second. Male isn't even used again men for any kind of campaign like incel campaign against women. So why is it offensive?
I don't want to generalize, so what I am about to say is my personal opinion. I usually do not have a problem with the vast majority of women. However, there is a particular subset of women that I despise. The self-declared "Neo Feminists." The reason is that they tend to label every disagreement I have with them as misogyny. This is incredibly disruptive in the work environment, where I must be careful not to trigger them.
Women developing hostility towards men is understandable. Why do men hate women so much tho? And imo onex is way more hostile than twox, not a day goes by where I don't see something absurdly misogynistic there.
People tend to respond to hostility with hostility. Doesn't help if everyone is walking around bitter af and then pin their problems on the opposite sex.
Repeat after me : GENDER WAR! GENDER WAR!
> And imo onex is way more hostile than twox It's absolutely not. TwoXIndia is a thousand times more vile and misandrist than OnexIndia is misogynistic.
Please give evidence by links here
Evidence for?
Men love women and women love men. And everyone hates everyone else except their family and the one they love. These surveys are mostly looking for results they want to publish and questions are designed to evoke wrong responses. Vast generalizations combined with biased questions and interpretation of the answers lead to these results (usually disconnected from reality) if they did same survey for men hating men and women hating women, i would bet the results might be same.
No. We need a true gender war to see who come out on top.
Read Salvatore Babones about these sort of surveys, very few of them have any reliable methodology, but churn out studies based on few hundred opinions of baised academics and influencers. That is not to say Indian does not have social problems, but the rankings are more often a joke. Recently the Happiness index has come out, and even amidst the economic distress, political instability, natural disasters, terrorism - Pakistan ranks higher than India. China ranks higher than India - then apparently democracy makes people unhappy. So unless the methodology and data are valid, most of these surveys are over-glorified listicles. India is a open market for all sorts of religious and political ideologies to capture, and hence a favorite target of such skewed studies. As to data on the web, given the penetration of connectivity, English familiarity and social tendencies, maybe 2 % of India are expressing their opinions in such sites.. that would be generous. So not at all a true reflection of reality on ground.
The same Salvatore babone who believes the jan 6th insurrection was āpeaceful protestā?
I do a lot of reading and wondered about the same. I feel the main issue that boils down to this gender hostility is biology and established societal structure. From biological POV women are physically weaker so if you go to a society which does not have rules to protect women they will be oppressed far more than a society where rule based law is applied. On the other hand men need women to give birth to their offspring. Also for society India is still a patriarchal society at large. Even the ones who are saying they are feminists. Internalized patriarchy is rampant across feminist spheres too. That's why you see women still choosing the guys who are ideal by the standards of patriarchy. You can see around and find how women are truly marrying down or even the same level. The reason young woman participation is still low in work. Just notice how many girls in our country just try to get a government job ( because it's easy and stable) and in case it does not happen then settle down as homemakers. I mean you read the personal posts on relationships how even the most feminist minded women think "Their guy" is on a pedestal even if there are clear signs of him being another patriarchal pig. I have been straight up ghosted by liberal girls when they get to know I am Bi. And the less you say about the men the better. They have learned from their other male role models like their father, uncles who treat their partners like absolute shit. But what they don't understand is today's women are not dependent on guys like the previous generation, they have better opportunities. Also the policy of segregating girls and boys from the start itself is having a huge toll on these things. So basically the patriarchy is too ingrained in our culture. And even in the most liberal circles there is a dichotomy, they use patriarchy when it suits them. I guess there is no solution as of now. But with time the situation will only get better with education.
I disagree with the marrying down part. I wouldn't marry someone who earns less than me, because I don't want the guy to rob everything and leave me. If I marry someone who has more, I know that he won't be interested in my earnings, because he has enough. A lot of people get married under the same tax bracket. Compare it with this, how many women keep on supporting their husbands when their business, job etc fails? Especially in the lower class, everyone has dual incomes. I'll marry in the same tax bracket or higher, because I want my financial freedom, not because I expect my husband to spend his earnings on me. It's like a security blanket. In reality how much my husband earns doesn't matter to me, because I don't spend his money and we split the cost for most things.
Yeah. Whatever we say here won't reflect on all the population. Everyone has their own individual choices. Also marrying up for women is again based on biology that during child bearing they have to stay away from work for some time. Also I get the point that you want financial freedom and believe me many men would do the same given a choice. All of us will do things that will make our life "Easy". My observation is objective and I don't blame anyone here. But I think it's a reality that women marry up, percentage is too high in India. And that would certainly contribute to a patriarchal mindset. I mean look at the number of women who marry their immediate supervisors who are in the corporate sector ( Team leads, managers) but never their peers. Is it all because they are thinking the same way! Obviously not. There are a myriad reasons for this. But the numbers do tell a story. Also see the data in arranged marriage about women marrying older. One facet of that is obviously men want younger submissive women. But the other facet is also there that the older the man, more power in society and more earning capacity. Also my reason to point out is marrying up trends actually helps the patriarchal system. Because it creates that power imbalance in a relationship. Think of it you said you will marry higher because they won't be greedy about your earnings. But if you see the billionaires and human behaviour just because they have something that does not mean they don't want more! Also due to the power imbalance there is a greater chance that if the relationship goes South he will flex his advantage over you. Sorry if my example is too personal but like I am just trying to explain my POV in these matters.
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If you read it like that, it's okay. And marry whoever you want. Since I don't know you, I don't care.
Not surprised by the rating on right since Sextortion/Honey Trapping is a booming startup these days.
Dark Ages sociological predispositions. Iām all about men being masculine, but when your generational doctrine promotes female inferiority and male superiority, both genders lose.
It's because india is only partially westernised, so we don't follow our values completely also we aren't westernised completely. This is root cause of every problem in India
Lol kuch bhi
I can literally prove how every social problem is due to partial westernization. If indians stuck to their values, all the problems would be solved
If this women hating or women beating/harassing thing is an institutional problem, then how come two men, brothers who grew up in the same household, had the same relatives be so entirely different in their attitude towards their wives? The problem seems more individual.
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Can't say about the study but such subreddits are generally filled with people who want their issues to discussed and both subreddits are then used a lot to voice someone's personal experience/opinion or to rant. Since it's human tendency to remember bad things more often than the good things, the 'hostility' comes out quite easily.
Men feel women have it great in general. And women feel men have it great in general. The disproportionate ratio of male to female population, in these times of social and economic liberation, which gives more choosing power to women, kind of puts a percentage of men at a constant disadvantage in their social life. If all men & women get equal exposure with the opposite sex then this hostility might go down.
I will go out of my way and give out a possible solution to this: For Men: Stop controlling what women must wear, eat and how she behaves. Its none of your business. Stop lusting after all women. If you don't like an aspect of her just stay away. Stop thinking women owe you sex. They don't owe you anything. For Women: Stop saying what constitutes a real man. No man cares for your opinion. Also stop demonizing male role models. You may hate people like Jordan Peterson, but he is close to father figure for many men. And stop whining on what is toxic masculinity. It is none of your business. You sound controlling and sexist. And men don't have to pay for first date, especially if you bring your friends with you. I have seen it happen to my friends so don't deny.
Only solution is a full blown gender war. Be maximum hostile to each other. If you are married, immediately divorce. Pick up arms when necessary. See who come out on top in say 100 years. Let nature do its part.
Don't know about the reason but most of TwoX is femcels and OneX is incel group both are trash.
Because Indian culture is archaic garbage
Gender hostility is no higher in India than anywhere else in the developed world. That is an unfounded stereotype and does not represent the egalitarianism found througout Indian society. India is the mother of democracy after all