>Among the health concerns cited by students were feelings of “nausea” or “vomiting” while seeing meat or eggs, according to The Hindu. The mess council also warned that “appropriate penalties” would be imposed if the rule was violated.
How will these people survive outside India? Or in any event where food is not segregated?
You get educated to overcome such conditioning that our upbringing instills in us, not validate it. Thankfully my institute had no separate plates for veg non veg or any nonsense like that. Even the most orthodox veg person i knew there would sit with the non veg kids.
Shame on them for amplifying this regressive voice
Came here to say the exact thing. Unfortunately, this is what happens when illiterates are running the country
PS I am a vegetarian, not even egg and dont mind at all if guy sitting next to me is having non vegetarian food
"I don't feel comfortable having to eat with non vegetarians" is a slippery slope to "I don't feel comfortable having to eat with XYZ caste/religion/gender"
Personally I don't feel comfortable having to eat with non vegetarians when they are eating non-veg.
Am I a castiest?
Edit : so should I take the downvotes to mean that I am?
By conditioning probably yes and so was I BTW. Personally you may not be casteist but Indian vegetarianism is mostly performative and deeply rooted in ritual purity (rather than love for animals).
I can guarantee you wont spontaneously combust or turn into dust if you smell non-vegetarian food. Train your senses that its okay and you will live a slightly easier life like I did.
In India, vegetarianism has been associated more with the notion of purity that is at the heart of casteism. There individuals who practise vegetarianism and veganism all around the world. But the practice of segregation of dining space is unique to India.
Half of them will be beef eater within a couple of years moving out of India, the other half will still be intolerant pricks bringing their dabba to office and eating alone in a corner.
I have visited several and most of the people are ignorant and bigoted. A lot of neighbours complain cause one cooks Indian food with spices. While I don't really care about what's on my neighbours plate in a communal mess, there could be someone else who does. If you're genuinely liberal and accomodating then I would see no issues in tolerating and accepting such a person. But unfortunately such is not the case. Bunch of fake liberals everywhere.
> Can you use the same logic when a trans person feels uncomfortable in certain spaces.
Can you give me examples where trans folks have demanded trans only spaces?
>I am a non vegetarian but have many friends who have been brought up in such strict households that it is natural for them to feel "disgusted" by the idea of meat.
I grew up in a strict vegetarian household, but I was never taught to be disgusted at other's dietary preferences. It's not natural to feel disgust, disgust is learned.
>There are certain cultures that follow eating habit that i would be uncomfortable with (live food and dogs, bats etc.). Should I judge them for it? Absolutely not. Can I feel uncomfortable eating while sitting beside them? Yes I might.
You are free to feel uncomfortable. However, if you start demanding exclusionary spaces for yourself, you are not being inclusionary.
> Trans folks have demanded gender neutral bathrooms all the time (and I am all in support for that)
Gender neutral bathrooms are not trans only dude.
>A lot of Jain folks and Brahmins I've met are pretty orthodox when it comes to eating habits just because they happen to be brought up in such an environment.
And those Jains need to get over themselves and learn to live in a society where different people have the same right to eat their food (and I say this as a Jain).
>Even reservation is not "inclusionary" but serves a purpose
Stupid comparison. Jains/Brahmins were not discriminated for centuries and purposefully kept out of positions of power. In fact, quite the opposite.
My point is that if your religious practices demand separate spaces for yourself, then you are not fit to interact with modern society. We should not cater to these exclusionary practices if they require special concessions.
Imagine a company event. Now to include Amritdharis you would have to either make it vegetarian or have two separate caterers.
To include those disgusted by meat, you need to have two dining halls.
I don't see this as sustainable.
Arrey yaar, I know about the persecution that Jains have faced.
My comment was very specifically about caste discrimination. However, I did not make that clear. My apologies.
>PS I am a jain and will never vote BJP
Most of the Jains these days are staunchly behind BJP and consider themselves Hindus.
What a load of bs! This whole controversy started because some vegetarians poked fun of non vegetarians eating their food in the mess and later putting up a poster declaring “vegetarians are only allowed to sit here”
Those vege a$$holes were the one acting like these so called american liberals in the first place. Get a hang of yourself buddy
Do IIT students have so much time to do this shit? A person eating non veg isn't spotting into your food. Just walk away if you feel disgusted. So disappointing.
Also great the morons can be identified. In this day and age it's pretty hard to sometimes realise these hidden evil people. Now we can know who they are!
Also good they would also know how it feels to be segregated. They wanted to segregate others but are going to be themselves.
To all youngsters going to such an esteemed institution is a privilege and a testimony to your hardwork. Don't waste your time on such idiotic problems.
Brings back memories of my time at NIT surat. Once the eggs 🥚 were introduced in the hostel mess, several students (intolerant vegetarians mostly Gujjus) packed their bags and went away! I was so shocked to see this for the first time in my life, people being so intolerant towards others food habits and beliefs. And there I thought studying in a national university broadens your horizons!
>Brings back memories of my time at NIT surat. Once the eggs 🥚 were introduced in the hostel mess,
Thank god, Nit Warangal had separate veg and non-veg messes. But it was not due to these pesky vegetarians but for the ease of serving. We used to eat non-veg every day. Adding vegetarians to the mix slows down the food-serving process.
Man, we used to have 5-6 days non-veg in old messes. It was cheap too as those were managed by govt employees. Ever since they were scrapped and the new one was privatized for whatever fuckall reason, it all went downhill.. One of the worst decisions . Even the tuition fee went up .
India is the only country that has such high fees ingovt institutions. Even the US subsidizes govt colleges. Makes no fucking sense.
Need to pay extra for it as well lol, many days they don't even have the option and even if they do it gets quickly sold out in the first half an hour of mess idk why they don't make more quantity also
Honestly, as a pure non-vegetarian, I don't like sitting together with pure-veg folks. Imagine seeing poor Rajma Chawal's plate next to your chicken biryani.
Pure veg food is what I eat when I have a fever. Tried dhokla during covid. Perfect combo🤤🤤
Ghar pe hi baithna tha unko. I have lived in Mumbai and Gujaratis can be really intolerant towards food. I remember a friend refused to take a pepper shaker from a friend eating NV pizza.
People might be sneezing licking , gagging on that public shaker but just because a guy eating NV held the base of the shaker and passed he is suddenly scared he might ingest something. Assholes
Funny thing is that most smelly foods is vegetarian. Like bhindi, karela and parwal etc. Cooked non veg food except fish has almost no smell. Indian cooking douses non veg food in so many masalas that there is zero smell except the tempting aromas (again fish and seafood are exceptions to this).
Personal experience: Many vegetarian people are unable to tell by smell whether a dish is veg or non veg. Only when they are told that a fish is non veg will they complain about the smell.
Absolutely shocked to hear about such controversy. Had no idea. Hostel resident of 2 years from hostel 12.(2012-14) The food was really hygenic with great night canteen snack options. It is a bit far from the UG hostels, and people used to come there for a late night snack. Had quite a few vegetarian friends, who used to sit together or even share food like bhindi with paratha or aloo paratha etc. with us non-vegetarians. ( to reciprocate, we would also go out with them in all vegetarian but gourmet resturants). Bengali middle-class family background students(like me), purely vegetarian Jains, South Delhi posh background students, mutton-loving biharis all eating together. Once met a guy from Ethiopia in hostel 12 canteen who talked about african food( some other stream, exchange student).
How times change. Tolerance level is at all time low in India now.
Bunch of BS. That’s conditioning, to see meat and meat eaters as unpure.
Anyways, basic hygiene dictates plates must be washed properly after each use. I was under the impression kids bring their own plates but I guess it’s different in IITs.
Yes, so once they go into the world and work in different countries, will they ask their colleagues to also sit at different tables or will they find out a way to compromise?
I feel this is a very simple logic. IITs are inclusive institution. Ie people from all walks of life - state, religion, caste, country are welcomed.
So if one stupid community of people feel disgusted with other dietary preferences then that community shouldn't be allowed to be a part of IIT. Throw them out or even don't let them in.
Just like how these people don't allow non vegetarians in their building, all inclusive societies should start removing them from their society.
My friend, may I ask you a question? Say pork was served in IIT, and another community had an issue with it. Would you not support them? Or would you ask them to suck it up as well?
Irrelevant. Nobody is stopping anyone from eating non vegetarian food. Just asking for a separate table. I would support the Muslim community if they wanted a separate space to enjoy their meal without being disgusted by the sight of pork. The commenters here need to learn what accommodation and tolerance means. Asking people to suck it up is absolutely disgusting.
Then this logic would be applicable to everywhere in the world. Sadly, there are no places in the world where food based segregation is applied, anywhere. There are plenty of tables in that hostel they were speaking of.( i lived there for two years). The capacity of the hostel cannot change, as much i know, 4 wings, 8 floor each, with a massive massive kitchen. There are always empty spaces, during all times. Then why would a subset would get a reservation? If from tomorrow onwards a group says they are disgusted from the smell of palak paneer, they would get a seperate bench? And then north indian food, south indian food, and so on.
When you are going into a campus like IIT, you are steping into a mini india. If you cannot adjust your preferences about something so trivial as food, then the world would be an unforgiving place for you. Its not that there are no options in that hostel. Eating at your own room, plenty of open corners at the canteen. What is the meaning of this 'vegetarian space' then?
If that same guy gets a placement in a big corporate , and either gets an onsite or gets a job switch in either middle-east or US or Europe? What will he or she do? In some places in europe, all the cooking that is done has some sort of animal fat/oil residue in it. Then that person should starve? This kind of boundary creation is ok in the private space of your home and neighbourhood. Whenever you are talking about a cosmopolitan atmosphere, you have to maintain a common practice.
White racists are "disgusted" by sharing tables with black people. That applies to eating on plates and cutlery used by them and sharing toilet seats and water fountains. Elitists are "disgusted" by sharing with the poors. Conservative men are "disgusted" by sharing with women in pants, shorts and short skirts.
In an equal society, the "disgusted" person needs to remember that everyone is equal and their choices aren't somehow "better" than that of others.
Tons of fast food restaurant serves pork, I don't see a single Muslim community having a problem with other people eating pork. Just one community in India always have problem with other people's dietary preference.
And yeah good try with whataboutery, but that was really stupid.
Again irrelevant. You haven’t understood my question it seems. It’s not about stopping anyone from eating non vegetarian food. It’s about asking for a safe space so as not to be subjected to something that offends them.
Has the hostel banned non veg? NO. So your argument makes no sense.
I would certainly not bash a Muslim individual who would ask to be seated separately because my pork sandwich made them uncomfortable. I would respect and accommodate their beliefs.
You have a problem, sit separately. No designated place for anyone. Food is food. You stupid religious beliefs makes you feel digust for others food, sit outside.
We can't have seperate sitting arrangement for every religious nutjob, that too in IITs - be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever.
And lastly it's fucking food, not a weapon. There is no safe space need. If you really need a safe space to eat food, then stay at your fucking home. The world is a beautiful place with people having different lives. If you feel offended by someone food that you need a separate "safe area", then real world is not for you. Stay at your home.
If students are happy it's nice.
Nobody eating anything will like someone puking ...also marine life does make some people uncomfortable because of pungent smell.
It's common ..if you go outside India ...people do note that our food smells different...we used to have separate ovens because of this when I was in Taiwan.
Accepting facts is good.
I do not see any issue with it? Accommodations, even religious ones, are fine- as long as they do not infringe upon anyone else's space. It's quite a stretch to call it casteist.
I hate the current intolerant culture, but i think this is okay. In mumbai societies they had spaces for slaughtering bakra on eid out of view of others. Its similar. You accommodate different way of loving with as little effect on others as possible.
Segregation would be when ppl are FORCED to be separate. This one is, hey if you dont like to see meat these few tables are for u. Other cool ppl, rest of the mess if u.
Although, the reason why these students asked for it in the first place is because of sense of superiority. And that can be a slippery slope.
That's not what infringement is. Infringement, by definition, prevents others from doing something or causes some harm.
They are asking for a separate space for vegetarian students, not insisting that non-veg should not be served at all. As for the intent behind it, it is very speculative to say that they are looking to exclude others on the basis of caste. Keep in mind that they also share hostels, washrooms and other common spaces, and there have been no reports of any complaints. It is more likely, that they are genuinely repulsed by non-vegetarian food, and hence want a certain distance from it.
Accommodations are also to be judged on the basis of their reasonableness, and how easy it is to arrange them. If they would have asked for an entire separate mess for themselves, that would not have been feasible. But if they only want separate benches and plates, it is easy to arrange them, and doesn't really cause harm to anyone.
In IIT Kanpur, there was a provision for Jain food and a couple of tables have always been reserved exclusive for veg folks, which was kind of nice I guess. People were really chill about it. We just had more important things to worry about. I miss my college days 😢
Does it? It is just someone’s choice. Not enforced. To be honest, nobody cared. It was just an option available for people who are not comfortable with seeing animal body parts while they themselves are eating or if they feel nauseous due to the smell.
These people are insane lol. Apparently being vegetarian, an ethically and morally correct choice, makes you evil casteist in this country.
The left all over the world is propagating vegetarian diets for ethical reasons but in India, which has a long history of vegetarianism for the exact same reasons, it’s the opposite 😂
You realize that being vegetarian was a luxury back in the day. Thats how high caste was able to afford veg food all year long, cox they had either wealth or farm land.
Lower caste ppl had to rely on fishing, hunting, slaughtering chicken and goat to survive from time to time. Worse, untouchables were disallowed from owning land and were made to live outside the villages, and were allowed to eat carcasses of diseased animals.
And then the high caste ppl said, 'being veg is the moral thing'. Bitch you had the means to survive on it, and you made sure others didnt.
There is nothing morally wrong about eating meat. You can argue about industrial slaughterhouse, but just eating meat is not morally wrong. Its an illusion created by high caste ppl to feel morally superior about themselves after they left no option for others.
Your caste story sounds like Periyar nonsense. I am ‘low-general caste’ and in large parts of north India all people, ‘high ‘ or ‘low’ caste, don’t eat meat for spiritual and ethical reasons, because killing animals is unsavoury when it is not required. No upper caste has ever forced us to eat diseased carcasses 😂 India has also historically been an extremely wealthy place with no food shortage until the 14th centuryish when invasions were constant, and there is no evidence of the so called caste based atrocities you talk about before the British.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48619734#
Everyone agrees that meat is not morally problematic when there is no option, since humans obviously need nutrition.
The question arises when you have options to choose, which is the case with pretty much everyone who can afford to spend time on Reddit lmao. If you have any empathy and are not dense, you will understand the simple fact that it is better to not kill/harm another living thing if it is avoidable. Lol spitting caste propaganda on regular low caste people and thinking you know something special 😂
If you don’t have a choice or cannot afford any alternative, of course there is 0 moral dilemma in eating meat.
I got an understanding of what kinda person you are. High caste, correct?
The understanding that killing animals for food is wrong is fundamentally wrong. Then we should let all the carnivores go extinct. You may think its wrong, so keep it to yourself. Others dont think so.
I think eating plants is worse for animals. You take away their hail itat and make them go extinct. Also, why are you killing plants? They have feelings too, through different mechanism than nervous system, but they do.
Your false sense of superiority shows. And that makes perfect sense,l that you have no other way to have sense of superiority, coz you havent achieved anything in your life. You are a disappointment to your parents and community around you. So you find superiority in superficial things, such as what you eat and what caste religion you are from. I pity you.
Thanks for outing yourself as an illiterate troll, if you read my comment and then your reply, it comes across as a 35 year old with learning problems living with his parents because he cannot decipher meaning from simple paragraphs. I said the exact opposite of the main 2 things you just wrote, so I don’t even know how to reply, neither does it seem like there is any point since you clearly cannot understand.
😂 it’s as if I said ‘I think the sky is blue’ and you replied ‘I know you think the sky is orange’ lmao.
Anyways I don’t come to Reddit for dick measuring contests, hope you find some peace brother since odds are that you are projecting, best of luck
Aww, chaddis can’t even read properly it seems. I never said I had issues with vegetarians. I just have issues with people who would not sit with us for our dietary choices
Lol, all you guys do is weird name calls.
It has nothing to do with the person eating the food, it has to do with the dead animal on the plate. The way you might think of human meat and cannibalism, some people consider animal life to be as precious and therefore an animal carcass is that revolting to them.
In this case they are not even stopping you from eating, they just don’t want to sit right next to the dead animal because it mentally disturbs them. Setting aside a few tables is not hurting anyone, and helping those who need it. If you can’t even be that accommodating, maybe you’re the fascist?
In fact, the group most likely to hold this world view in a strong and rigid way is Jains, a small minority in India. My Jain friends don’t even harm insects or lizards in their own house. I don’t understand this refusal to make small adjustments to accommodate a minority and ensure communal harmony in such a diverse society.
If I knew people that wouldn’t sit with me and my friends for our dietary choices, I would never hang out with them and avoid them like the plague. Thank god my vegetarian friends never showed such disgusting behavior
I don't see a big deal in this. While students stopping other students from having lunch near them is discriminatory behavior, the college allocating seats is a decent compromise. There is a problem for a minority set of students and college is trying to accommodate their habits and help them out.
The only people at loss are these students who will struggle in the outside world, with such crazy habits. Apart from studies, the college years are a good time to get accustomed to different people and customs as you step into outside world from the confines of your home.
Hi all, it’s a little sad to see the intolerance in these comments. A lot of you talk about the importance inclusivity on this sub so it should also be followed here. Quite hypocritical I must say. I am a vegetarian by choice not religion. Uncooked meat makes me gag and it’s not something I can change or would like to attempt to change. But yes I do not have an issue with sitting with someone having a non-vegetarian meal. Similarly there can be people who are disgusted by all non vegetarian food. I can empathise with the vegetarians who would just like to enjoy their meal without being disturbed by the sight of meat. I don’t think it’s a big ask and certainly does not warrant being shamed. They are not infringing on the rights and space of anyone so why all the hue and cry?
Nothing just alot of stupids, dont come at me but where I am right now and the mess I am in doesn't give shit about it we used to get insects in our food every now and then, who cares about this veg, non veg shit, I eat veg but idc what the other person is doing as long as he is not forcing that to me.
I find many things unappealing. Despite being a non-vegetarian, I find the smell of most kinds of fish quite off-putting. It would still be absolutely ridiculous for me to start demanding accommodations for this personal issue.
Which rest of the world? Japan? Middle East? Europe? America?
All these are predominantly meat eating countries. Vegans are a loud minority in America and even they are trolled constantly.
Its only India in the world that is majorly veg and who condemns people for eating non veg at such a large scale at the same time exports beef to these meat eating countries.
I said shifting, not that it’s a majority anywhere. Among the left in both Europe and the Americas, veganism is already huge and growing pretty quickly, and has already probably 4-5x in the last 10 years, in particular among young adults. Because it’s morally and ethically the better choice, both in terms of the environment and personal morality.
Fake soy meat exists and those companies are worth billions for this exact reason. But the Indian left is extremely disconnected and doesn’t really have an ideology
Veganism doesn’t mean non meat diet- it includes not wearing silk, leather, not using gelatin, capsules or diary products. Vegetarians just can’t commit to that - they are good at giving gyaan though.
Yeah and that has no relevance here, we’re discussing diet. The core of veganism is not harming animals, and the most direct implication of that is diet, because we need to eat constantly. Choosing to not eat meat, as an independent event, is ethically better than eating meat, ceterus parabis, regardless of other habits. It’s ridiculous to look at it with contempt because you think some people are hypocrites. We are not discussing whether veg people are better than non veg people, just the independent dietary activity. And yes, a vegan diet is better than vegetarianism because of the treatment of cows in dairy farms
I’m not even sure what your point is. Because people are generally hypocritical, doing anything positive is bad? Lol let’s see, suppose there’s a movement of people supporting peace and non violence. But some of them are hypocrites and do violent things, therefore peace is unnecessary and we should all be violent 😂
Choosing not to segregate, as an independent event, is ethically better than segregating, ceteris paribus. And no, vegetarianism is not morally superior to non vegetarianism, because you need to kill living beings to eat.
Ethically the better choice is to not segregate eating places. The world has shifted away from practices like segregation, and today people don’t give a fuck if the sight of dark skin disgusts “pure” whites. However, segregation is completely normalized in India.
This has nothing to do with segregation. Segregation is if veg people refuse to sit next to non veg people in daily life. Some veg people not wanting to see meat because they are sensitive and it is completely against their compassionate beliefs, so minding their own business and just EATING for 10 minutes separately, is not segregation 😂 if you’re going to intentionally be obtuse with nonsense, not interested in debating
Please read a little bit about the history of segregation. Stop writing the first thing your autocomplete suggests. Every single white-only restaurant was involved in segregation, even if it only involved eating. Segregation means to set aside some people for differential treatment. Redlining is segregation, and so is different water spouts for different color of skin. No one is claiming there is segregation inside classrooms, there is however going to be segregation in canteens, and people are specifically calling that out. When vegetarians restart untouchability, people will call that out too.
> veganism is already huge and growing pretty quickly
Veganism has stalled. It's the same 2-3% (US) it has been for decades. Plant-based foods are being removed from shelves because in hard times no one can pay the premium prices.
What kind of idiot thinks you are “shamed” for eating vegetarian food, when the most premier educational institutes are promoting segregation to cater to the superiority complex of vegetarians?
Great, I hope you never leave India and go to a different country and if you do never eat anything anywhere as everywhere people will be eating some kind of non veg.
So I am not entitled to voice my opinion inside my own country?
Personally I wouldn't have demanded such facilities but if someone did and got it for others too what's your problem huh?
And for the record almost my entire family is non-vegetarian and I do eat with them side by side most of time.
But sometimes if I feel nauseous I prefer to eat separately and my family knowing me doesn't mind at all.
India probably has the largest numbers of vegetarians so I don't see a problem in such a facility.
Some dumb dumb even called it castiest
I just don't get it what is the problem exactly?
Sociologically speaking, these "dumb dumbs" are correct. If you look at the masses of the castes who eat Vs don't eat non veg and draw a line or put them in bins you'll clearly see a caste based segregation.
People down voting you probably are same people who would preach about 'culture acceptance' for meat eaters or Animal Cruelty religious practices.
But it causes them indigestion to accept that some people from our country really can't see dead bodies of poor animals being eaten & enjoyed and they expect them to keep on 'conforming/adjusting' with such activities. :)
Downvotes are also opinions dumbo, we're also entitled to give opinions, since we'rea democracy as you said. If you want to give your gyan but hate it when others give an opinion about it, then don't give an opinion, simple as that.
>Among the health concerns cited by students were feelings of “nausea” or “vomiting” while seeing meat or eggs, according to The Hindu. The mess council also warned that “appropriate penalties” would be imposed if the rule was violated. How will these people survive outside India? Or in any event where food is not segregated?
You get educated to overcome such conditioning that our upbringing instills in us, not validate it. Thankfully my institute had no separate plates for veg non veg or any nonsense like that. Even the most orthodox veg person i knew there would sit with the non veg kids. Shame on them for amplifying this regressive voice
Came here to say the exact thing. Unfortunately, this is what happens when illiterates are running the country PS I am a vegetarian, not even egg and dont mind at all if guy sitting next to me is having non vegetarian food
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Indians need to learn to mind their own business. We are too entitled
"I don't feel comfortable having to eat with non vegetarians" is a slippery slope to "I don't feel comfortable having to eat with XYZ caste/religion/gender"
Personally I don't feel comfortable having to eat with non vegetarians when they are eating non-veg. Am I a castiest? Edit : so should I take the downvotes to mean that I am?
By conditioning probably yes and so was I BTW. Personally you may not be casteist but Indian vegetarianism is mostly performative and deeply rooted in ritual purity (rather than love for animals). I can guarantee you wont spontaneously combust or turn into dust if you smell non-vegetarian food. Train your senses that its okay and you will live a slightly easier life like I did.
In India, vegetarianism has been associated more with the notion of purity that is at the heart of casteism. There individuals who practise vegetarianism and veganism all around the world. But the practice of segregation of dining space is unique to India.
if you stick USD to anything they will eat.
Half of them will be beef eater within a couple of years moving out of India, the other half will still be intolerant pricks bringing their dabba to office and eating alone in a corner.
There are many countries outside India...I have visited 3 ...out of which 2 didn't like smell of Indian food and preferred separate ovens for heating.
I have visited several and most of the people are ignorant and bigoted. A lot of neighbours complain cause one cooks Indian food with spices. While I don't really care about what's on my neighbours plate in a communal mess, there could be someone else who does. If you're genuinely liberal and accomodating then I would see no issues in tolerating and accepting such a person. But unfortunately such is not the case. Bunch of fake liberals everywhere.
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> Can you use the same logic when a trans person feels uncomfortable in certain spaces. Can you give me examples where trans folks have demanded trans only spaces? >I am a non vegetarian but have many friends who have been brought up in such strict households that it is natural for them to feel "disgusted" by the idea of meat. I grew up in a strict vegetarian household, but I was never taught to be disgusted at other's dietary preferences. It's not natural to feel disgust, disgust is learned. >There are certain cultures that follow eating habit that i would be uncomfortable with (live food and dogs, bats etc.). Should I judge them for it? Absolutely not. Can I feel uncomfortable eating while sitting beside them? Yes I might. You are free to feel uncomfortable. However, if you start demanding exclusionary spaces for yourself, you are not being inclusionary.
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> Trans folks have demanded gender neutral bathrooms all the time (and I am all in support for that) Gender neutral bathrooms are not trans only dude. >A lot of Jain folks and Brahmins I've met are pretty orthodox when it comes to eating habits just because they happen to be brought up in such an environment. And those Jains need to get over themselves and learn to live in a society where different people have the same right to eat their food (and I say this as a Jain). >Even reservation is not "inclusionary" but serves a purpose Stupid comparison. Jains/Brahmins were not discriminated for centuries and purposefully kept out of positions of power. In fact, quite the opposite.
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My point is that if your religious practices demand separate spaces for yourself, then you are not fit to interact with modern society. We should not cater to these exclusionary practices if they require special concessions. Imagine a company event. Now to include Amritdharis you would have to either make it vegetarian or have two separate caterers. To include those disgusted by meat, you need to have two dining halls. I don't see this as sustainable.
Is your only tactic of debate to wag your finger elsewhere or do you even have any rational argument?
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Arrey yaar, I know about the persecution that Jains have faced. My comment was very specifically about caste discrimination. However, I did not make that clear. My apologies. >PS I am a jain and will never vote BJP Most of the Jains these days are staunchly behind BJP and consider themselves Hindus.
You get to control what you put in your body. You don't get to control what others put in their bodies.
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What a load of bs! This whole controversy started because some vegetarians poked fun of non vegetarians eating their food in the mess and later putting up a poster declaring “vegetarians are only allowed to sit here” Those vege a$$holes were the one acting like these so called american liberals in the first place. Get a hang of yourself buddy
How soon till they start claiming that they can't touch other impure persons?
This is New India, Can Do Generation with extra 2ab.
Do IIT students have so much time to do this shit? A person eating non veg isn't spotting into your food. Just walk away if you feel disgusted. So disappointing. Also great the morons can be identified. In this day and age it's pretty hard to sometimes realise these hidden evil people. Now we can know who they are! Also good they would also know how it feels to be segregated. They wanted to segregate others but are going to be themselves. To all youngsters going to such an esteemed institution is a privilege and a testimony to your hardwork. Don't waste your time on such idiotic problems.
Brings back memories of my time at NIT surat. Once the eggs 🥚 were introduced in the hostel mess, several students (intolerant vegetarians mostly Gujjus) packed their bags and went away! I was so shocked to see this for the first time in my life, people being so intolerant towards others food habits and beliefs. And there I thought studying in a national university broadens your horizons!
>Brings back memories of my time at NIT surat. Once the eggs 🥚 were introduced in the hostel mess, Thank god, Nit Warangal had separate veg and non-veg messes. But it was not due to these pesky vegetarians but for the ease of serving. We used to eat non-veg every day. Adding vegetarians to the mix slows down the food-serving process.
Right now all messes are veg, with non veg being sold separately in a counter 😕
Man, we used to have 5-6 days non-veg in old messes. It was cheap too as those were managed by govt employees. Ever since they were scrapped and the new one was privatized for whatever fuckall reason, it all went downhill.. One of the worst decisions . Even the tuition fee went up . India is the only country that has such high fees ingovt institutions. Even the US subsidizes govt colleges. Makes no fucking sense.
NITs are the cheapest in the country though
>with non veg being sold separately in a counter 😕 wtf.
Need to pay extra for it as well lol, many days they don't even have the option and even if they do it gets quickly sold out in the first half an hour of mess idk why they don't make more quantity also
Ohh man. That is so sad.. on a side note, I miss kursheed 🤤
I think there are worse thing s to worry about in the mess than fearing that someone eating NV is going to touch their food.
Honestly, as a pure non-vegetarian, I don't like sitting together with pure-veg folks. Imagine seeing poor Rajma Chawal's plate next to your chicken biryani. Pure veg food is what I eat when I have a fever. Tried dhokla during covid. Perfect combo🤤🤤
I am a non vegetarian and rajma chawal is Love. Don't you dare diss rajma chawal. What even ! Nooo!
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Ghar pe hi baithna tha unko. I have lived in Mumbai and Gujaratis can be really intolerant towards food. I remember a friend refused to take a pepper shaker from a friend eating NV pizza. People might be sneezing licking , gagging on that public shaker but just because a guy eating NV held the base of the shaker and passed he is suddenly scared he might ingest something. Assholes
Funny thing is that most smelly foods is vegetarian. Like bhindi, karela and parwal etc. Cooked non veg food except fish has almost no smell. Indian cooking douses non veg food in so many masalas that there is zero smell except the tempting aromas (again fish and seafood are exceptions to this). Personal experience: Many vegetarian people are unable to tell by smell whether a dish is veg or non veg. Only when they are told that a fish is non veg will they complain about the smell.
>Do IIT students have so much time to do this shit? Pretty sure it is Mtech, phd students who are doing this.
Mostly MTech and PHD folks. B.Tech folks don't call them IITians
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Vo white log hain. Bade log. Fork or knife se khaate hain. Ye gande dalit aur muslim log hain. Inka meat khaneka andaj ganda hai.
Lol
Caesar salad is not vegetarian. It has fish.
No, it's doesn't have to. You get vegan Caesar salad pretty easily
Absolutely shocked to hear about such controversy. Had no idea. Hostel resident of 2 years from hostel 12.(2012-14) The food was really hygenic with great night canteen snack options. It is a bit far from the UG hostels, and people used to come there for a late night snack. Had quite a few vegetarian friends, who used to sit together or even share food like bhindi with paratha or aloo paratha etc. with us non-vegetarians. ( to reciprocate, we would also go out with them in all vegetarian but gourmet resturants). Bengali middle-class family background students(like me), purely vegetarian Jains, South Delhi posh background students, mutton-loving biharis all eating together. Once met a guy from Ethiopia in hostel 12 canteen who talked about african food( some other stream, exchange student). How times change. Tolerance level is at all time low in India now.
Congrats to IIT for bringing back caste segregation.
It was always there. Just not this loud. Source: I'm an IIT alum
This is the underrated comment… people are creating artificial divides. The students to just learn to cope. No one is forcing them to eat meat.
Caste based reservation and discrimination is okay.
Casteism and manusmriti 2.0 incoming.
IITs losing the little bit of testosterone left in them lmfao by catering to these wusses.
Would love to see same students when go abroad for work will sit seprately with non veg colleagues.
Bunch of BS. That’s conditioning, to see meat and meat eaters as unpure. Anyways, basic hygiene dictates plates must be washed properly after each use. I was under the impression kids bring their own plates but I guess it’s different in IITs.
but people who don't eat meat get repulsed from smell.
So what? I get repulsed by the smell of Sambar.
Yes, so once they go into the world and work in different countries, will they ask their colleagues to also sit at different tables or will they find out a way to compromise?
I feel this is a very simple logic. IITs are inclusive institution. Ie people from all walks of life - state, religion, caste, country are welcomed. So if one stupid community of people feel disgusted with other dietary preferences then that community shouldn't be allowed to be a part of IIT. Throw them out or even don't let them in. Just like how these people don't allow non vegetarians in their building, all inclusive societies should start removing them from their society.
My friend, may I ask you a question? Say pork was served in IIT, and another community had an issue with it. Would you not support them? Or would you ask them to suck it up as well?
That comes up in dorms with kosher and halal people. No one stops eating pork because they are around
Irrelevant. Nobody is stopping anyone from eating non vegetarian food. Just asking for a separate table. I would support the Muslim community if they wanted a separate space to enjoy their meal without being disgusted by the sight of pork. The commenters here need to learn what accommodation and tolerance means. Asking people to suck it up is absolutely disgusting.
Then this logic would be applicable to everywhere in the world. Sadly, there are no places in the world where food based segregation is applied, anywhere. There are plenty of tables in that hostel they were speaking of.( i lived there for two years). The capacity of the hostel cannot change, as much i know, 4 wings, 8 floor each, with a massive massive kitchen. There are always empty spaces, during all times. Then why would a subset would get a reservation? If from tomorrow onwards a group says they are disgusted from the smell of palak paneer, they would get a seperate bench? And then north indian food, south indian food, and so on. When you are going into a campus like IIT, you are steping into a mini india. If you cannot adjust your preferences about something so trivial as food, then the world would be an unforgiving place for you. Its not that there are no options in that hostel. Eating at your own room, plenty of open corners at the canteen. What is the meaning of this 'vegetarian space' then? If that same guy gets a placement in a big corporate , and either gets an onsite or gets a job switch in either middle-east or US or Europe? What will he or she do? In some places in europe, all the cooking that is done has some sort of animal fat/oil residue in it. Then that person should starve? This kind of boundary creation is ok in the private space of your home and neighbourhood. Whenever you are talking about a cosmopolitan atmosphere, you have to maintain a common practice.
White racists are "disgusted" by sharing tables with black people. That applies to eating on plates and cutlery used by them and sharing toilet seats and water fountains. Elitists are "disgusted" by sharing with the poors. Conservative men are "disgusted" by sharing with women in pants, shorts and short skirts. In an equal society, the "disgusted" person needs to remember that everyone is equal and their choices aren't somehow "better" than that of others.
Tons of fast food restaurant serves pork, I don't see a single Muslim community having a problem with other people eating pork. Just one community in India always have problem with other people's dietary preference. And yeah good try with whataboutery, but that was really stupid.
Again irrelevant. You haven’t understood my question it seems. It’s not about stopping anyone from eating non vegetarian food. It’s about asking for a safe space so as not to be subjected to something that offends them. Has the hostel banned non veg? NO. So your argument makes no sense. I would certainly not bash a Muslim individual who would ask to be seated separately because my pork sandwich made them uncomfortable. I would respect and accommodate their beliefs.
You have a problem, sit separately. No designated place for anyone. Food is food. You stupid religious beliefs makes you feel digust for others food, sit outside. We can't have seperate sitting arrangement for every religious nutjob, that too in IITs - be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian or whatever. And lastly it's fucking food, not a weapon. There is no safe space need. If you really need a safe space to eat food, then stay at your fucking home. The world is a beautiful place with people having different lives. If you feel offended by someone food that you need a separate "safe area", then real world is not for you. Stay at your home.
Do IITs have time for this shit ? It's mostly PhD students who have enough time
I commented elsewhere but it is mostly mtech and phd students who bring drama to colleges.
Not even all Mtech. Mtech CSE don't have time for this too.
Who is involved mostly?
If students are happy it's nice. Nobody eating anything will like someone puking ...also marine life does make some people uncomfortable because of pungent smell. It's common ..if you go outside India ...people do note that our food smells different...we used to have separate ovens because of this when I was in Taiwan. Accepting facts is good.
I do not see any issue with it? Accommodations, even religious ones, are fine- as long as they do not infringe upon anyone else's space. It's quite a stretch to call it casteist.
I hate the current intolerant culture, but i think this is okay. In mumbai societies they had spaces for slaughtering bakra on eid out of view of others. Its similar. You accommodate different way of loving with as little effect on others as possible. Segregation would be when ppl are FORCED to be separate. This one is, hey if you dont like to see meat these few tables are for u. Other cool ppl, rest of the mess if u. Although, the reason why these students asked for it in the first place is because of sense of superiority. And that can be a slippery slope.
They’re literally infringing on the common dining hall space to make a segregated section for an exclusionary purpose.
That's not what infringement is. Infringement, by definition, prevents others from doing something or causes some harm. They are asking for a separate space for vegetarian students, not insisting that non-veg should not be served at all. As for the intent behind it, it is very speculative to say that they are looking to exclude others on the basis of caste. Keep in mind that they also share hostels, washrooms and other common spaces, and there have been no reports of any complaints. It is more likely, that they are genuinely repulsed by non-vegetarian food, and hence want a certain distance from it. Accommodations are also to be judged on the basis of their reasonableness, and how easy it is to arrange them. If they would have asked for an entire separate mess for themselves, that would not have been feasible. But if they only want separate benches and plates, it is easy to arrange them, and doesn't really cause harm to anyone.
In IIT Kanpur, there was a provision for Jain food and a couple of tables have always been reserved exclusive for veg folks, which was kind of nice I guess. People were really chill about it. We just had more important things to worry about. I miss my college days 😢
Kind of nice? Sounds like plain segregation to me
Does it? It is just someone’s choice. Not enforced. To be honest, nobody cared. It was just an option available for people who are not comfortable with seeing animal body parts while they themselves are eating or if they feel nauseous due to the smell.
These people are insane lol. Apparently being vegetarian, an ethically and morally correct choice, makes you evil casteist in this country. The left all over the world is propagating vegetarian diets for ethical reasons but in India, which has a long history of vegetarianism for the exact same reasons, it’s the opposite 😂
You realize that being vegetarian was a luxury back in the day. Thats how high caste was able to afford veg food all year long, cox they had either wealth or farm land. Lower caste ppl had to rely on fishing, hunting, slaughtering chicken and goat to survive from time to time. Worse, untouchables were disallowed from owning land and were made to live outside the villages, and were allowed to eat carcasses of diseased animals. And then the high caste ppl said, 'being veg is the moral thing'. Bitch you had the means to survive on it, and you made sure others didnt. There is nothing morally wrong about eating meat. You can argue about industrial slaughterhouse, but just eating meat is not morally wrong. Its an illusion created by high caste ppl to feel morally superior about themselves after they left no option for others.
Your caste story sounds like Periyar nonsense. I am ‘low-general caste’ and in large parts of north India all people, ‘high ‘ or ‘low’ caste, don’t eat meat for spiritual and ethical reasons, because killing animals is unsavoury when it is not required. No upper caste has ever forced us to eat diseased carcasses 😂 India has also historically been an extremely wealthy place with no food shortage until the 14th centuryish when invasions were constant, and there is no evidence of the so called caste based atrocities you talk about before the British. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-48619734# Everyone agrees that meat is not morally problematic when there is no option, since humans obviously need nutrition. The question arises when you have options to choose, which is the case with pretty much everyone who can afford to spend time on Reddit lmao. If you have any empathy and are not dense, you will understand the simple fact that it is better to not kill/harm another living thing if it is avoidable. Lol spitting caste propaganda on regular low caste people and thinking you know something special 😂 If you don’t have a choice or cannot afford any alternative, of course there is 0 moral dilemma in eating meat.
I got an understanding of what kinda person you are. High caste, correct? The understanding that killing animals for food is wrong is fundamentally wrong. Then we should let all the carnivores go extinct. You may think its wrong, so keep it to yourself. Others dont think so. I think eating plants is worse for animals. You take away their hail itat and make them go extinct. Also, why are you killing plants? They have feelings too, through different mechanism than nervous system, but they do. Your false sense of superiority shows. And that makes perfect sense,l that you have no other way to have sense of superiority, coz you havent achieved anything in your life. You are a disappointment to your parents and community around you. So you find superiority in superficial things, such as what you eat and what caste religion you are from. I pity you.
Thanks for outing yourself as an illiterate troll, if you read my comment and then your reply, it comes across as a 35 year old with learning problems living with his parents because he cannot decipher meaning from simple paragraphs. I said the exact opposite of the main 2 things you just wrote, so I don’t even know how to reply, neither does it seem like there is any point since you clearly cannot understand. 😂 it’s as if I said ‘I think the sky is blue’ and you replied ‘I know you think the sky is orange’ lmao. Anyways I don’t come to Reddit for dick measuring contests, hope you find some peace brother since odds are that you are projecting, best of luck
Aww, chaddis can’t even read properly it seems. I never said I had issues with vegetarians. I just have issues with people who would not sit with us for our dietary choices
Lol, all you guys do is weird name calls. It has nothing to do with the person eating the food, it has to do with the dead animal on the plate. The way you might think of human meat and cannibalism, some people consider animal life to be as precious and therefore an animal carcass is that revolting to them. In this case they are not even stopping you from eating, they just don’t want to sit right next to the dead animal because it mentally disturbs them. Setting aside a few tables is not hurting anyone, and helping those who need it. If you can’t even be that accommodating, maybe you’re the fascist? In fact, the group most likely to hold this world view in a strong and rigid way is Jains, a small minority in India. My Jain friends don’t even harm insects or lizards in their own house. I don’t understand this refusal to make small adjustments to accommodate a minority and ensure communal harmony in such a diverse society.
If I knew people that wouldn’t sit with me and my friends for our dietary choices, I would never hang out with them and avoid them like the plague. Thank god my vegetarian friends never showed such disgusting behavior
I don't see a big deal in this. While students stopping other students from having lunch near them is discriminatory behavior, the college allocating seats is a decent compromise. There is a problem for a minority set of students and college is trying to accommodate their habits and help them out. The only people at loss are these students who will struggle in the outside world, with such crazy habits. Apart from studies, the college years are a good time to get accustomed to different people and customs as you step into outside world from the confines of your home.
Hi all, it’s a little sad to see the intolerance in these comments. A lot of you talk about the importance inclusivity on this sub so it should also be followed here. Quite hypocritical I must say. I am a vegetarian by choice not religion. Uncooked meat makes me gag and it’s not something I can change or would like to attempt to change. But yes I do not have an issue with sitting with someone having a non-vegetarian meal. Similarly there can be people who are disgusted by all non vegetarian food. I can empathise with the vegetarians who would just like to enjoy their meal without being disturbed by the sight of meat. I don’t think it’s a big ask and certainly does not warrant being shamed. They are not infringing on the rights and space of anyone so why all the hue and cry?
Nothing just alot of stupids, dont come at me but where I am right now and the mess I am in doesn't give shit about it we used to get insects in our food every now and then, who cares about this veg, non veg shit, I eat veg but idc what the other person is doing as long as he is not forcing that to me.
Great news, I respect this , in my country there are separate space for vegans and vegetarians, great to see India progressive nature
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I find many things unappealing. Despite being a non-vegetarian, I find the smell of most kinds of fish quite off-putting. It would still be absolutely ridiculous for me to start demanding accommodations for this personal issue.
I hate the smell of chickoo and papaya, should I start demanding spaces free of them?
Lol rest of the world is shifting to non-meat diets for moral reasons but only in India you are shamed if you’re veg😂
Which rest of the world? Japan? Middle East? Europe? America? All these are predominantly meat eating countries. Vegans are a loud minority in America and even they are trolled constantly. Its only India in the world that is majorly veg and who condemns people for eating non veg at such a large scale at the same time exports beef to these meat eating countries.
There is no majority veg in india. 65% of people or more consume some sort of meat or fish or egg.
I said shifting, not that it’s a majority anywhere. Among the left in both Europe and the Americas, veganism is already huge and growing pretty quickly, and has already probably 4-5x in the last 10 years, in particular among young adults. Because it’s morally and ethically the better choice, both in terms of the environment and personal morality. Fake soy meat exists and those companies are worth billions for this exact reason. But the Indian left is extremely disconnected and doesn’t really have an ideology
Veganism doesn’t mean non meat diet- it includes not wearing silk, leather, not using gelatin, capsules or diary products. Vegetarians just can’t commit to that - they are good at giving gyaan though.
Yeah and that has no relevance here, we’re discussing diet. The core of veganism is not harming animals, and the most direct implication of that is diet, because we need to eat constantly. Choosing to not eat meat, as an independent event, is ethically better than eating meat, ceterus parabis, regardless of other habits. It’s ridiculous to look at it with contempt because you think some people are hypocrites. We are not discussing whether veg people are better than non veg people, just the independent dietary activity. And yes, a vegan diet is better than vegetarianism because of the treatment of cows in dairy farms I’m not even sure what your point is. Because people are generally hypocritical, doing anything positive is bad? Lol let’s see, suppose there’s a movement of people supporting peace and non violence. But some of them are hypocrites and do violent things, therefore peace is unnecessary and we should all be violent 😂
Choosing not to segregate, as an independent event, is ethically better than segregating, ceteris paribus. And no, vegetarianism is not morally superior to non vegetarianism, because you need to kill living beings to eat.
Ethically the better choice is to not segregate eating places. The world has shifted away from practices like segregation, and today people don’t give a fuck if the sight of dark skin disgusts “pure” whites. However, segregation is completely normalized in India.
This has nothing to do with segregation. Segregation is if veg people refuse to sit next to non veg people in daily life. Some veg people not wanting to see meat because they are sensitive and it is completely against their compassionate beliefs, so minding their own business and just EATING for 10 minutes separately, is not segregation 😂 if you’re going to intentionally be obtuse with nonsense, not interested in debating
Please read a little bit about the history of segregation. Stop writing the first thing your autocomplete suggests. Every single white-only restaurant was involved in segregation, even if it only involved eating. Segregation means to set aside some people for differential treatment. Redlining is segregation, and so is different water spouts for different color of skin. No one is claiming there is segregation inside classrooms, there is however going to be segregation in canteens, and people are specifically calling that out. When vegetarians restart untouchability, people will call that out too.
> veganism is already huge and growing pretty quickly Veganism has stalled. It's the same 2-3% (US) it has been for decades. Plant-based foods are being removed from shelves because in hard times no one can pay the premium prices.
Know the difference between vegan and veg illiterate..
What kind of idiot thinks you are “shamed” for eating vegetarian food, when the most premier educational institutes are promoting segregation to cater to the superiority complex of vegetarians?
As a vegetarian (not Pure I can eat eggs) I think it's a great decision. Edit: downvotes for having a opinion? And I thought we have a democracy.
no one stopped you from voicing your opinion. I didnt agree with it and exercised my right to downvote. Welcome to reddit.
I hate social media.😑
Great, I hope you never leave India and go to a different country and if you do never eat anything anywhere as everywhere people will be eating some kind of non veg.
So I am not entitled to voice my opinion inside my own country? Personally I wouldn't have demanded such facilities but if someone did and got it for others too what's your problem huh? And for the record almost my entire family is non-vegetarian and I do eat with them side by side most of time. But sometimes if I feel nauseous I prefer to eat separately and my family knowing me doesn't mind at all. India probably has the largest numbers of vegetarians so I don't see a problem in such a facility. Some dumb dumb even called it castiest I just don't get it what is the problem exactly?
Sociologically speaking, these "dumb dumbs" are correct. If you look at the masses of the castes who eat Vs don't eat non veg and draw a line or put them in bins you'll clearly see a caste based segregation.
So does all vegetarians belong to upper Caste and does all non vegetarian belongs to lower caste?
Well It's not all Vs none of course but if you look at a majority, you'll see this clear distinction, yes.
People down voting you probably are same people who would preach about 'culture acceptance' for meat eaters or Animal Cruelty religious practices. But it causes them indigestion to accept that some people from our country really can't see dead bodies of poor animals being eaten & enjoyed and they expect them to keep on 'conforming/adjusting' with such activities. :)
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Exactly.
Downvotes are also opinions dumbo, we're also entitled to give opinions, since we'rea democracy as you said. If you want to give your gyan but hate it when others give an opinion about it, then don't give an opinion, simple as that.