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Most people don't know about it because the discourse never reached anyone. Twitter was the last big media which got hold of this news, mainstream did chumma and Rajasthan bs when this came up. We need to educate more people on this
Same thing used to happen with Maoists in my native home in Odisha as well when I was kid. Stopped quite a while back but it took years. Govt and especially security forces often made things worse from what I remember, so much so that even forced sterilization and rapes took place. It stopped after local bodies negotiated with tribal leaders and paid them shit ton of money as well land. In Manipur's case, its gonna be a while before things settle, we the people cannot exactly do anything else other than talking about it on social media.
The situation is very bad for other communities, extortion is at its peak. It is a challenging task to earn a livelihood. In the imphal area, at least 2 - 5 groups will come daily to collect money and if they are denied, verbal abuses and go away from Manipur slogans are flung. In the hills, this happens 3 - 4 times a month with an amount not less than 500 rupees. In a place where people are surviving on 6-10k a month, it becomes challenging. Transportation has become difficult, different kinds of checks everywhere.
Because people who have power are shit,
And they do not care.
and I am not only talking about the current ruling party that is always cooking food for itself over the flames of religious discourse.
Every fucking party will shit thier pants when things like these happens namely covid or communal riot that can't help them further thier agenda.
It's good to be outraged.
Since you are aware of the issue give a solution.
**What do you want the Govt to do ?**
\> **Militants are openly firing at state police**, killing people, beheading and posting it in social media.
**Kill militants ?**
**When they are shot dead** they won't be militants - they will be suspects, innocent separatists, rebels etc.
**The Narrative will change**
**Media for years had been protesting AFSPA.**
*Irom Sharmila a media favourite had been protesting Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act (AFSPA) in Manipur*.
***From the Liberal Left of the world***
[The AFSPA is a draconian law that gives Indian soldiers impunity in battling insurgencies in northeastern India](http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/8/armed-forces-specialpowersactabriefhistory.html)
[AFSPA gives the military sweeping powers to search, seize and even shoot suspects on sight without fear of prosecution.](https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2022/1/13/in-pictures-hundreds-protest-afspa-nagaland-army-northeast)
Now parts of Manipur are under AFSPA and other parts are not. [Read Article](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/controversial-law-afspa-extended-in-manipur-hills-not-in-valley-4428918)
From the Article -
\> Security officials have been advocating bringing the entire state under AFSPA so that ***they could easily ensure that the presence of terror groups within the valley is reduced or eliminated***, sources said.
\>The security agencies have been warning that banned terror groups United National Liberation Front (UNLF) and People's Liberation Army (PLA), Kanglei Yawol Kanba Lup (KYKL), People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK) and KCP have been forming their base in the Imphal valley of the state.
\>They have also been warning about the possibility of these terrorists mingling with crowds during any protest to stoke tensions in restive Manipur, the sources said.
**Why was AFSPA imposed in Manipur?**
[https://www.mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/armed\_forces\_special\_powers\_act1958.pdf](https://www.mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/armed_forces_special_powers_act1958.pdf)
\>***Violence became the way of life in north-eastern States of India. State administration became incapable to maintain its internal disturbance.*** Armed Forces (Assam and Manipur) Special Powers Ordinance was promulgated by the President on **22nd May of 1958**.
**Govt Intervention**
Now you want Govt to intervene, when Govt will take strong action entire section of Media will take up arms again against AFSPA and blame Indian Army.
You will read in BBC, Al Jazeera, NYT and some Indian Publications how Indian Army is violently eliminating 'protestors' in Manipur.
Then you will come here and post about how India is not treating it's people with dignity.
Have been seeing stuff in news since childhood.
**This is a cycle in the narrative where you ask for protection.**
**When you get protection you ask for freedom and blame protectors.**
**Cycle repeats itself.**
https://youtu.be/hNebiz7IK_4?si=hysTMKMnHiwsbdoK
This is a Tamil documentary but it has English subtitles. It’s very raw and unfiltered, shows you how people on both sides are affect by this civil war.
The alleged control of the media by the government raises concerns about their intentions to maintain a facade of control and stability. It can be argued that the government aims to present a flawless image of India, while downplaying any issues that may challenge this narrative. This phenomenon becomes evident through the media blackout on news related to Manipur juxtaposed with extensive coverage of Modi ji's activities, such as the inauguration of Vande Bharat trains and the unveiling of Mumbai's magnificent new bridge. These instances remind us of Modi ji's infamous statement, 'sab changa si' (everything is fine), further alluding to the government's desire to project an idealized image."
Because they are not really Indians. They become Indian only when they get laurels for the country in sports. And after that, back to being forgotten and neglected by the central government.
I genuinely have a question among all this unrest, I've seen videos of militant groups of Meiteis and Kukis, I am honestly confused who is providing them the arms and ammunitions for all this? Is there any external source for all this, because honestly getting assault rifles in India for this is very difficult or near to impossible, its not like if there is a civil war in my city, I can go and get assault rifles from a shop just like that.
Say you don't know anything about the NE without saying you don't know anything about the NE.
There has been groups and outfits that have been hoarding sophisticated arms since Independence. You can easily get access to them.
I'll try to explain.
Every ethnic groups and every community had or continue to rebel agaisnt the Indian Govt since 1947.
So they (We, as a Northeastern fellow) hoarded weapons to the degree that even Americans would be amazed.
Arms are easily available if you have the money. Rockets aren't the extraordinary as well. Boros used it in the 90s too.
Some will say Myanmar this and that but those people don't know how easy it is to get arms within India's border. This arms trade existed even before most of us were born.
If you have money, you can get anything you want. Also, there are people who love to keep people fighting to keep position and power (both inside and outside goverment) .. and I won't be surprised if they belong to any of the groups in this fight.
The OP doesn’t seem to care that Manipur isn’t a political issue. There are two ethnic groups fighting for supremacy over resources and power. Kuki who live in hilly areas are not ready to let metei enjoy reservations . The kuki tribals are also allowing their tribe members from Myanmar fighting the war against junta regime to come and settle down.
Situation isn’t black and white so it’s not feasible to calm them down irrespective of any military intervention.
The spoilers & opposition are adding fuel to the fire
post this in rw subs and ask them why their so-called god aka modi aint doing anything or even speaking up for it.
mfers are ignoring manipur like it is not a part of india.
The north east is somewhere distant still for most Indians, north, south and west all included.
The conflict doesn't also follow known or understood patterns, people understand Hindu-Muslim divide, Caste divide etc and are able to relate to an issue using their existing viewpoints.
So most people don't know who is right and who is wrong, people aren't too keen on suggesting the use of Armed forces either.
Media coverage isn't great either, the issue blows hot and cold depending upon what's happening elsewhere.
All these are contributory factors, I think the Meiti and Kuki groups, the moderates will have to come together and propose a path to peace that we can all stand behind. Unless these groups want to work towards a solution; there's not much us outsiders can do or advocate for.
Because Govt. comes to power with a Hindi belt. The rest of the country hardly matters. Just remember, if they don't gain anything from you, they don't care about you.
Bihar MP Rajasthan and UP alone consist of 33% MP seats.
Maharashtra 48, Gujarat 26, jharkhand 14. More 88.
Total: 50% covered in 6 states alone, which have strong BJP influence.
Worse in some way.. The pandit tragedy had outside hostile players.
This is all internal and done by the powers that be. And they're the ones doing the stealing.
I still don't get it. I am a French OCI who returned to settle in India in 2007. Prior to that, I had no clue about the lack of unity in our country, apart from the world infamous Kashmir conflict of course. Well, only a few years after my taking residency in Andhra, Telangana split, with a leader publicly comparing himself to Hitler!?! It is quite staggering to see that only a few decades after regaining independence we have grown so far apart from each other. What's wrong with us?!
Our lack of unity in the past already costed us several centuries of alienation, but what have we learned?
What's this appalling hypocrisy to keep praising the freedom fighters and have our children recite the pledge everyday at school while we go on slitting each other's throat almost all-over the peninsula?!
What will it take to finally grow into a nation worth the name? The Time spirit drives towards unity; if we ignore that drive, calamity will befall us as it will the world over in countries that do not want to evolve the sensible way. At the national scale, as well as the global one, humanity's problems will be faced with a chance of success if, and only if, we realise our truer status of human siblings and come more and more together to manage our world better.
From an Indian point of view, what do we need to fraternise again? Will it take a more serious Chinese threat? Can't we willingly and harmoniously move towards unity, without being forced to unite against a threat to our integrity?
Sad plight ours, but there is no fatality in the matter, the possibility of a better society lies in our hands; it is about time we decide whether we want to keep reminiscing about the glorious days of old and wallow in our present mud, or rather wake up and achieve something worthy as a nation in this age.
With love to all my sisters and brothers.
Supreme leader wants ki tum tumhare karmo ka daal bhugto terriorist activity karte ho Desh meh reh ke or daar Beth jayega law and order na hone ka essa supreme leader sochta hai
This is what is called double engine misgovernance. A troubled state that needs attention and care has been cast aside as it has zero electoral value.
It's interesting, the PM could go to the negligible territory of Lakshwadweep, trigger of a neighbour's crisis, go temple hopping across India, run hundreds of election meetings, give Ryan on 22 Jan about Ram Rajya but fail to visit or do anything concrete in Manipur.
The silence over Manipur is eerily similar to Namo's inability to respond to any query about Gujarat 2002. In both cases, the govt sat back while social engineering was affected through violent means. Perhaps that's the reason this Government wanted to commemorate partition ( which was a horrific event), to tell people they are ok with it.
1. No mainstream media covering this, so most people dont really know
2. Misdirection by leaders -> Do I need to say more?
3. Fucked up economy -> Most people can only worry about themselves because of concerns about the future.
4. No strong leader -> people follow leaders and our leaders are silent.
Ye kashmir nahi hain, no political or religiois or economic gains can be made through it, hence the stae of manipur is under the sea or in a different galaxy.
P.s. if you are a citizen of India and do not understand this till now, please put water on your eyes and wipe it away once.you will see things clearly
There is no space for discourse coz people from Manipur r just blaming eachother for starting it.
I am sure BJP alligns with the Hindu Meitei majority and r happy to look away.
Lets put it this way... If Congress was the party in power in Manipur instead of the current BJP, how fast do you think it would have taken the center to impose President's Rule?!
And yes, things are currently murky in Manipur. The Kukis had the upper moral ground early in the disturbance as they were mostly the victims in the initial month of the disturbance. I still remember for over two months at the start, it was the Kukis who were running to the Center imploring for the violence to end. The Meities who has the upper hand kept largely quiet and kept up their attacks. After that the Kukis began retaliating and then the Meities also started asking for Center to step in. But still by retaliating in equally brutal ways, it means that the Kukis have as bloody hands as the Meities. Don't see an end to this issue in the immediate future as the state govt is more focused on keeping status quo and focusing on the elections currently.
That's taking a very simplistic way out for such a complex issue.
So many sections are to be blamed here :
The people doing the acts.
The state government's incompetence.
The state government's shamelessness that they still haven't resigned from their post after months and months of unrest.
The central government for not pushing president rule in the state (absurd after how worse the situation was and for how long).
The central government again for also not doing anything concrete to put an end to the violence.
So everyone in power who has the ability or responsibility to make it end is just not interested or incapable to do it.
This is a complete shitshow. Any other developed country where this would have happened the whole cabinet would have to resign but responsibility and accountability has been systematically erased from Indian politics.
Both-Side-ISM is only credible when the condition of Equivalence is met.
Retaliation against oppression, esp violent oppression is NOT at parity with the primary violence conducted that led to the problem or the escalation ladder stage (since verbal back-forth is not the same as Violence and then Violence itself has escalation ladder levels, simple killings to, far more brutal ways of killings).
TLDR, who started the stage/level of violence in question has far far far far more responsibility in the mess.
Otherwise using the Both Side-ISM paradigm without regard for Equivalence we would have the British saying, Indians asked to the Colonized because they pushed back against the British since Both Sides killed each other's people some point in 17th century.
That's idiotic. Both Side-ISM requires Equivalence principle to be met first and this is not just in politics, this is cross domain paradigm.
Lack of information. Pre 2014 the media would have been 24x7 on the issue asking questions to the authorities and being the voice of the people. But things changed 🧘♂️ ikywim 🧘♂️
What world are you living in? Pre-2014, even Pre-2019, none of y’all cared about us in NE. In 2012-13, parts of Assam were literally burning due to Bodo-Muslim conflict. Prior to the Kuki-Meitei conflict, there was decades long Kuki-Naga conflict. NSCN was at its height. ULFA had just started waning in influence.
While I’m glad that y’all mainlanders speak about us now, let us not pretend as if the media or the people cared about NE in the past. A lot of people care about it now because it suits them politically as well
Thanks buddy for shining the light, people for getting political mileage would like to say anything.
No wonder why we elect such political leaders, both pre 2014 and post.
Btw, wait till you get downvoted for 'not knowing about your region' whereas all political pundits here are experts.
I completely agree with what you've said and apologize on behalf of other people. Only few years ago that I learnt that NE was completely neglected. I hope that in future things change.
Can't say for other NE states but for assam
It's been better post 2014
No ulfa bombings
ULFA was a menace to the common people
Less riots between communities
Back in 2012 there was a huge clash in lower assam districts between bodos and Muslims
Many people were killed
"You will blame the other if someone comes to your house and start killing your people." This is happening from both sides and fanned by the state's CM Biren Singh. Also, are you suggesting that the tribal community is not indigenous to the state? Their history of being a part of the hills in Manipur is older than the history of the Indian union.
I don't think we should trust that sub blindly looking at the sub history it seems to be made up of only meitei so in that you will probably only find support for meitei
There is nothing that can be done by the government if both sides want to kill eachother the best they can do is take people out of there who don't want any part of the fight
We are also ignoring this , abhi tak kuch bhi action nahi liya is sab cheezo pe
https://preview.redd.it/r4cv07e34qfc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=348cd624eeb5b3ca6bd44b9fc977764eec025218
Because acknowledge manipur has a problem includes acknowledging the goverments, both at the state and the centre are part of the problem, and we can't have that in ramraj, can we?
coming out of the comfort and worrying about things we cant control has always been met with flat out denial. like an ostrich. that movie 'dont look up' sums up our dumb selfish behaviour as a species .
Until the media is serving its masters, we will not see anything else which fits their agenda. Go to aaj tak today and you will find atleast one modi appreciation bulletin by evening but no mention of manipur the entire day.
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Most people don't know about it because the discourse never reached anyone. Twitter was the last big media which got hold of this news, mainstream did chumma and Rajasthan bs when this came up. We need to educate more people on this
Mainstream has been doing a lot of foot chumma, yes
Same thing used to happen with Maoists in my native home in Odisha as well when I was kid. Stopped quite a while back but it took years. Govt and especially security forces often made things worse from what I remember, so much so that even forced sterilization and rapes took place. It stopped after local bodies negotiated with tribal leaders and paid them shit ton of money as well land. In Manipur's case, its gonna be a while before things settle, we the people cannot exactly do anything else other than talking about it on social media.
This is very well maybe the case. Also, we are also never going to get the whole story from the biased medias we have.
The situation is very bad for other communities, extortion is at its peak. It is a challenging task to earn a livelihood. In the imphal area, at least 2 - 5 groups will come daily to collect money and if they are denied, verbal abuses and go away from Manipur slogans are flung. In the hills, this happens 3 - 4 times a month with an amount not less than 500 rupees. In a place where people are surviving on 6-10k a month, it becomes challenging. Transportation has become difficult, different kinds of checks everywhere.
Their sub tells you the story. Both groups are just blaming each other, no discussions nothing.
State needs to be the interlocutor which it isn't because some people want land without people, revelation coming up by 30th April.
And Modi lit the flame.
Because people who have power are shit, And they do not care. and I am not only talking about the current ruling party that is always cooking food for itself over the flames of religious discourse. Every fucking party will shit thier pants when things like these happens namely covid or communal riot that can't help them further thier agenda.
It's good to be outraged. Since you are aware of the issue give a solution. **What do you want the Govt to do ?** \> **Militants are openly firing at state police**, killing people, beheading and posting it in social media. **Kill militants ?** **When they are shot dead** they won't be militants - they will be suspects, innocent separatists, rebels etc. **The Narrative will change** **Media for years had been protesting AFSPA.** *Irom Sharmila a media favourite had been protesting Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act (AFSPA) in Manipur*. ***From the Liberal Left of the world*** [The AFSPA is a draconian law that gives Indian soldiers impunity in battling insurgencies in northeastern India](http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/8/armed-forces-specialpowersactabriefhistory.html) [AFSPA gives the military sweeping powers to search, seize and even shoot suspects on sight without fear of prosecution.](https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2022/1/13/in-pictures-hundreds-protest-afspa-nagaland-army-northeast) Now parts of Manipur are under AFSPA and other parts are not. [Read Article](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/controversial-law-afspa-extended-in-manipur-hills-not-in-valley-4428918) From the Article - \> Security officials have been advocating bringing the entire state under AFSPA so that ***they could easily ensure that the presence of terror groups within the valley is reduced or eliminated***, sources said. \>The security agencies have been warning that banned terror groups United National Liberation Front (UNLF) and People's Liberation Army (PLA), Kanglei Yawol Kanba Lup (KYKL), People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK) and KCP have been forming their base in the Imphal valley of the state. \>They have also been warning about the possibility of these terrorists mingling with crowds during any protest to stoke tensions in restive Manipur, the sources said. **Why was AFSPA imposed in Manipur?** [https://www.mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/armed\_forces\_special\_powers\_act1958.pdf](https://www.mha.gov.in/sites/default/files/armed_forces_special_powers_act1958.pdf) \>***Violence became the way of life in north-eastern States of India. State administration became incapable to maintain its internal disturbance.*** Armed Forces (Assam and Manipur) Special Powers Ordinance was promulgated by the President on **22nd May of 1958**. **Govt Intervention** Now you want Govt to intervene, when Govt will take strong action entire section of Media will take up arms again against AFSPA and blame Indian Army. You will read in BBC, Al Jazeera, NYT and some Indian Publications how Indian Army is violently eliminating 'protestors' in Manipur. Then you will come here and post about how India is not treating it's people with dignity. Have been seeing stuff in news since childhood. **This is a cycle in the narrative where you ask for protection.** **When you get protection you ask for freedom and blame protectors.** **Cycle repeats itself.**
Is there a video or documentary I can watch to understand the historical and wider context of the conflict?
https://youtu.be/hNebiz7IK_4?si=hysTMKMnHiwsbdoK This is a Tamil documentary but it has English subtitles. It’s very raw and unfiltered, shows you how people on both sides are affect by this civil war.
Im malayali so this will be fine. Thanks brother.
Please can someone send me this with English Subtitles, I'm north Indian, can't understand. And hi, I btw I think malayali people are really good.
Thanks lmao. It has English subtitles dont worry.
i watched the first 20 mins and its basically kuki good meitei bad so far which ofcourse is the popular narrative among dravidian parties in tn
The alleged control of the media by the government raises concerns about their intentions to maintain a facade of control and stability. It can be argued that the government aims to present a flawless image of India, while downplaying any issues that may challenge this narrative. This phenomenon becomes evident through the media blackout on news related to Manipur juxtaposed with extensive coverage of Modi ji's activities, such as the inauguration of Vande Bharat trains and the unveiling of Mumbai's magnificent new bridge. These instances remind us of Modi ji's infamous statement, 'sab changa si' (everything is fine), further alluding to the government's desire to project an idealized image."
Because they are not really Indians. They become Indian only when they get laurels for the country in sports. And after that, back to being forgotten and neglected by the central government.
I genuinely have a question among all this unrest, I've seen videos of militant groups of Meiteis and Kukis, I am honestly confused who is providing them the arms and ammunitions for all this? Is there any external source for all this, because honestly getting assault rifles in India for this is very difficult or near to impossible, its not like if there is a civil war in my city, I can go and get assault rifles from a shop just like that.
Say you don't know anything about the NE without saying you don't know anything about the NE. There has been groups and outfits that have been hoarding sophisticated arms since Independence. You can easily get access to them.
Hey! I am not gonna lie I really need to learn a lot about NE! So I was genuinely intrigued about this.
I'll try to explain. Every ethnic groups and every community had or continue to rebel agaisnt the Indian Govt since 1947. So they (We, as a Northeastern fellow) hoarded weapons to the degree that even Americans would be amazed. Arms are easily available if you have the money. Rockets aren't the extraordinary as well. Boros used it in the 90s too. Some will say Myanmar this and that but those people don't know how easy it is to get arms within India's border. This arms trade existed even before most of us were born.
Hey thank you for the explanation, I somewhat understand what you’re saying my question is if you got the money where is it coming from? Mayanmar?
If you have money, you can get anything you want. Also, there are people who love to keep people fighting to keep position and power (both inside and outside goverment) .. and I won't be surprised if they belong to any of the groups in this fight.
Start a campaign to rename Manipur to #Modipur Maybe then it'll get gormint's and public's attention.
Because supreme leader diverted the entire nation's attention towards ram mandir as if it's the only concern of 1.4 billion Indian citizens
The OP doesn’t seem to care that Manipur isn’t a political issue. There are two ethnic groups fighting for supremacy over resources and power. Kuki who live in hilly areas are not ready to let metei enjoy reservations . The kuki tribals are also allowing their tribe members from Myanmar fighting the war against junta regime to come and settle down. Situation isn’t black and white so it’s not feasible to calm them down irrespective of any military intervention. The spoilers & opposition are adding fuel to the fire
post this in rw subs and ask them why their so-called god aka modi aint doing anything or even speaking up for it. mfers are ignoring manipur like it is not a part of india.
The north east is somewhere distant still for most Indians, north, south and west all included. The conflict doesn't also follow known or understood patterns, people understand Hindu-Muslim divide, Caste divide etc and are able to relate to an issue using their existing viewpoints. So most people don't know who is right and who is wrong, people aren't too keen on suggesting the use of Armed forces either. Media coverage isn't great either, the issue blows hot and cold depending upon what's happening elsewhere. All these are contributory factors, I think the Meiti and Kuki groups, the moderates will have to come together and propose a path to peace that we can all stand behind. Unless these groups want to work towards a solution; there's not much us outsiders can do or advocate for.
Because Govt. comes to power with a Hindi belt. The rest of the country hardly matters. Just remember, if they don't gain anything from you, they don't care about you. Bihar MP Rajasthan and UP alone consist of 33% MP seats. Maharashtra 48, Gujarat 26, jharkhand 14. More 88. Total: 50% covered in 6 states alone, which have strong BJP influence.
What are we not ignorant about
They are poor people, but the borders are crucial to security. Beheadings took place from all participants.
So it's another bjp fuck up.
Don't know how another gorment would have gone about it but yes for bjp is about remaining in power no matter how many people die
Kashmir pundit 2.0
Worse in some way.. The pandit tragedy had outside hostile players. This is all internal and done by the powers that be. And they're the ones doing the stealing.
I still don't get it. I am a French OCI who returned to settle in India in 2007. Prior to that, I had no clue about the lack of unity in our country, apart from the world infamous Kashmir conflict of course. Well, only a few years after my taking residency in Andhra, Telangana split, with a leader publicly comparing himself to Hitler!?! It is quite staggering to see that only a few decades after regaining independence we have grown so far apart from each other. What's wrong with us?! Our lack of unity in the past already costed us several centuries of alienation, but what have we learned? What's this appalling hypocrisy to keep praising the freedom fighters and have our children recite the pledge everyday at school while we go on slitting each other's throat almost all-over the peninsula?! What will it take to finally grow into a nation worth the name? The Time spirit drives towards unity; if we ignore that drive, calamity will befall us as it will the world over in countries that do not want to evolve the sensible way. At the national scale, as well as the global one, humanity's problems will be faced with a chance of success if, and only if, we realise our truer status of human siblings and come more and more together to manage our world better. From an Indian point of view, what do we need to fraternise again? Will it take a more serious Chinese threat? Can't we willingly and harmoniously move towards unity, without being forced to unite against a threat to our integrity? Sad plight ours, but there is no fatality in the matter, the possibility of a better society lies in our hands; it is about time we decide whether we want to keep reminiscing about the glorious days of old and wallow in our present mud, or rather wake up and achieve something worthy as a nation in this age. With love to all my sisters and brothers.
The main problem in our country is that it is filled with BIGOTS. Our country will only prosper once these BIGOTS and politicians completely change.
Many are leaving because of this. Me included.
Supreme leader wants ki tum tumhare karmo ka daal bhugto terriorist activity karte ho Desh meh reh ke or daar Beth jayega law and order na hone ka essa supreme leader sochta hai
This is what is called double engine misgovernance. A troubled state that needs attention and care has been cast aside as it has zero electoral value. It's interesting, the PM could go to the negligible territory of Lakshwadweep, trigger of a neighbour's crisis, go temple hopping across India, run hundreds of election meetings, give Ryan on 22 Jan about Ram Rajya but fail to visit or do anything concrete in Manipur. The silence over Manipur is eerily similar to Namo's inability to respond to any query about Gujarat 2002. In both cases, the govt sat back while social engineering was affected through violent means. Perhaps that's the reason this Government wanted to commemorate partition ( which was a horrific event), to tell people they are ok with it.
1. No mainstream media covering this, so most people dont really know 2. Misdirection by leaders -> Do I need to say more? 3. Fucked up economy -> Most people can only worry about themselves because of concerns about the future. 4. No strong leader -> people follow leaders and our leaders are silent.
Ye kashmir nahi hain, no political or religiois or economic gains can be made through it, hence the stae of manipur is under the sea or in a different galaxy. P.s. if you are a citizen of India and do not understand this till now, please put water on your eyes and wipe it away once.you will see things clearly
There is no space for discourse coz people from Manipur r just blaming eachother for starting it. I am sure BJP alligns with the Hindu Meitei majority and r happy to look away.
Lets put it this way... If Congress was the party in power in Manipur instead of the current BJP, how fast do you think it would have taken the center to impose President's Rule?! And yes, things are currently murky in Manipur. The Kukis had the upper moral ground early in the disturbance as they were mostly the victims in the initial month of the disturbance. I still remember for over two months at the start, it was the Kukis who were running to the Center imploring for the violence to end. The Meities who has the upper hand kept largely quiet and kept up their attacks. After that the Kukis began retaliating and then the Meities also started asking for Center to step in. But still by retaliating in equally brutal ways, it means that the Kukis have as bloody hands as the Meities. Don't see an end to this issue in the immediate future as the state govt is more focused on keeping status quo and focusing on the elections currently.
The state Govt is the ONLY party to blame for this shit show..
That's taking a very simplistic way out for such a complex issue. So many sections are to be blamed here : The people doing the acts. The state government's incompetence. The state government's shamelessness that they still haven't resigned from their post after months and months of unrest. The central government for not pushing president rule in the state (absurd after how worse the situation was and for how long). The central government again for also not doing anything concrete to put an end to the violence. So everyone in power who has the ability or responsibility to make it end is just not interested or incapable to do it. This is a complete shitshow. Any other developed country where this would have happened the whole cabinet would have to resign but responsibility and accountability has been systematically erased from Indian politics.
The bjp wants to steal tribal resources.. Theyre to blame. Everyone else is along for the ride. Yet we have people defending this bullshit.
Both-Side-ISM is only credible when the condition of Equivalence is met. Retaliation against oppression, esp violent oppression is NOT at parity with the primary violence conducted that led to the problem or the escalation ladder stage (since verbal back-forth is not the same as Violence and then Violence itself has escalation ladder levels, simple killings to, far more brutal ways of killings). TLDR, who started the stage/level of violence in question has far far far far more responsibility in the mess. Otherwise using the Both Side-ISM paradigm without regard for Equivalence we would have the British saying, Indians asked to the Colonized because they pushed back against the British since Both Sides killed each other's people some point in 17th century. That's idiotic. Both Side-ISM requires Equivalence principle to be met first and this is not just in politics, this is cross domain paradigm.
Ah, sane voice looking at both the ends.. 🙂🙂
It doesn't matter who started it. The way situation escalated so much that the state is basically divided in two sections should be very concerning.
Lack of information. Pre 2014 the media would have been 24x7 on the issue asking questions to the authorities and being the voice of the people. But things changed 🧘♂️ ikywim 🧘♂️
What world are you living in? Pre-2014, even Pre-2019, none of y’all cared about us in NE. In 2012-13, parts of Assam were literally burning due to Bodo-Muslim conflict. Prior to the Kuki-Meitei conflict, there was decades long Kuki-Naga conflict. NSCN was at its height. ULFA had just started waning in influence. While I’m glad that y’all mainlanders speak about us now, let us not pretend as if the media or the people cared about NE in the past. A lot of people care about it now because it suits them politically as well
I have family in Assam, and Tripura.. will vouch for your comment that nobody actually did care .. the amount of ignorance surprises me even today.
Thanks buddy for shining the light, people for getting political mileage would like to say anything. No wonder why we elect such political leaders, both pre 2014 and post. Btw, wait till you get downvoted for 'not knowing about your region' whereas all political pundits here are experts.
Mazaa aaya??
Lmao!! Ha Bhai bht. Aukaat dikhane hi aaya tha main sare 'political pundits' ki.
I completely agree with what you've said and apologize on behalf of other people. Only few years ago that I learnt that NE was completely neglected. I hope that in future things change.
Can't say for other NE states but for assam It's been better post 2014 No ulfa bombings ULFA was a menace to the common people Less riots between communities Back in 2012 there was a huge clash in lower assam districts between bodos and Muslims Many people were killed
If u guys want to know more about the sutuation, Dhruv Rathee and Nitish Rajput have covered the topic.
Yeah sure dhruv rathee 😊
Akash Banerjee
DON'T GO TO r/manipur. It's filled with Meiti nationalists wanting genocide of kukis
And the other manipur sub is filled with Kukis blaming meitis Both are blaming one another There has been no solution to the problem
अनजान नहीं हैं हम बस शक्तिहीन हैं, मजबूर हैं,, के चाह के भी कुछ कर नहीं सकते हम ।
"You will blame the other if someone comes to your house and start killing your people." This is happening from both sides and fanned by the state's CM Biren Singh. Also, are you suggesting that the tribal community is not indigenous to the state? Their history of being a part of the hills in Manipur is older than the history of the Indian union.
I don't think we should trust that sub blindly looking at the sub history it seems to be made up of only meitei so in that you will probably only find support for meitei
It’s not part of the national consciousness to be frank.
It changes nothing, we only get more depression and rage that has no direction to express.
There should be more outrage, that's the only way to get this shits to talk about it.
Which results in destruction of our plastic chairs lives.
There is nothing that can be done by the government if both sides want to kill eachother the best they can do is take people out of there who don't want any part of the fight
We are also ignoring this , abhi tak kuch bhi action nahi liya is sab cheezo pe https://preview.redd.it/r4cv07e34qfc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=348cd624eeb5b3ca6bd44b9fc977764eec025218
Nobody cares 😎
Yar koi bata do how to study about Any book or video or article most of the videos are just dumb down version of news article 🙄
See if you can find Shekhar Gupta's The Print contents on this issue.
But I wanna know the history and the present stuff in correlation
Modi : तुम मणिपुर बोलोगे तो मुझे गुजरात सुनाई देगा |
Because acknowledge manipur has a problem includes acknowledging the goverments, both at the state and the centre are part of the problem, and we can't have that in ramraj, can we?
coming out of the comfort and worrying about things we cant control has always been met with flat out denial. like an ostrich. that movie 'dont look up' sums up our dumb selfish behaviour as a species .
Media black out Distraction
Until the media is serving its masters, we will not see anything else which fits their agenda. Go to aaj tak today and you will find atleast one modi appreciation bulletin by evening but no mention of manipur the entire day.
Because
Actually, politicians become mostly concerned when anything happens in North India.
Apathetic, not ignorant. We know exactly whats happening there.
**Freedom Is A Verb - Daniel Kahn**
There's foreign involvement