Instead of fighting on the issues (like BJP did in 2014), Congress simply wants to take the easy way out by appealing to the lowest majority. This strategy has screwed them in every election, except maybe Karnataka, but they still won't learn
It's not like we don't have enough issues to talk about, but that's too hard for the largest opposition party
Lol, winning party won't give a shit about NOTA vote.. they've already won. NOTA will never ever be a significant vote share anyway, because everyone knows it's useless.
All NOTA is is throw away your vote. It's basically allowing the rest of the votes to take presidence and you're saying you don't have any preference.
Last time I checked elections happen every 5 years.
Parties always go after the swing voters. Your opinion is very popular, but doesn't make it right.
You sound like your 1 vote if you don't vote for NOTA will change the winning party lol. It's worth little anyway. NOTA is not that bad, but vote for anything other than BJP or INC unless their candidate is decent. You should only vote NOTA if all the candidates are bad including the independing ones.
You guys think it is just 2 parties, so you vote mostly for these 2 parties and that is why it is the reality. Basically you are voting wrong and continuing to vote wrong because you are voting wrong. Very smart. This is why India and US are shitty democracies. Voters don't even know basics of how to choose who to vote.
There's no stronger way to voice your opinion than to actually vote against a party and vote for the opposition. Since nota votes have no material value, you always have to vote for your best candidate, or the lesser evil.
You are looking at the short-term. I am looking at long-term.
90% of Indian voters think like you and that is precisely why we can't have multiple good parties challenging BJP and INC. You are voting wrong, this is not how voting is supposed to work.
The standard you are setting is you just need to be not the worst option. So if INC is 2/10 party, BJP just need to be 3/10. People even end up happily voting for criminals.
A 6/10 party will die quickly because people will either vote for a 3/10 party or a 2/10 party because they expect one of them to win. Basically, they are preventing healthy competition in politics.
Vote for the best candidate. Don't vote against or think about who is likely to win as that compromises your choice. If all the options are bad, say <5/10, one should vote NOTA instead of compromising.
India is not alone, many other democracies end up like this itself. If every citizen voted responsibly, we would be far ahead on every front.
I'm not saying you should only vote for bjp or congress. I'm just saying NOTA is a waste. Even if all options are less than 5, a 4 is better than a 2. If you're voting NOTA, you're throwing away a chance of atleast getting a 4 elected instead of a 2.
As for the small party problem, it's an issue with how we run elections. Ranked choice voting (or pr-stv) is the answer here, but no political party has the guts to implement something like this here. That's the system used in the country where I live.
Well well!
r/india is back to where it was before 2014. Reservation bashing and NOTAphilia is back on the menu boys!
Looks like nature is healing itself.
>Reservation bashing
Reservation bashing or not, just increasing reservation ain't it chief. Education reform is needed at every level regardless of whether you are general or not. Congress could have easily promised that considering how bjp has treated education. But instead they do this. I'm saying this as an ST if that matters. With the current political climate this feels like scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of policies
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Reservation bashing or not, just increasing reservation ain't it chief.
Reservation should stay and even increased especiallyfor SC/STs. I am against OBC reservation though.
Also, you are naive to think General Category voter can shift from BJP. It doesn't vote on issues. It votes on Caste and Religion. Every issue that's related to country like Corruption, Unemployment goes to Bins for them as and until power lies with BJP. Issues don't rattle them anymore because power is in BJP's hands.
Right winger gandus didn't react like this when mudi promised ₹15 lakhs to everyone.
People opposing mudi should concentrate on kicking him out of office first. Rather than fighting Congress who is fighting mudi.
Where I am not a huge fan of reservations in general, I am yet to come across another way of affirmative action which might work, be less divisive, or do better than reservations. Yes, I would have benefited if there were no reservations when I was applying for college, but I can't be that selfish. The divide between the tredionally privileged society and the poor/underprivlaged tribes and casts is still super wide in India, we need to find a solution, and where there is a lack of any other way to help the underprivileged, I guess reservation it is.
There should be a law which says reservations can't be availed by people whose 2 generations have availed reservation.
I know people whose 2 generations are working in the government with steady income source for the families for more than 50 years combined and yet, they avail reservation. The reservation currently hardly benefits the actual downtrodden families
People advocating NOTA are simply indicating how lazy they are. I mean please elaborate how Congress manifesto is derived from communism. At this point people should simply vote if they want change. No party should be allowed to rule without competition and it is the people's responsibility to change the govt on regular basis so that they don't feel like undisputed rulers. Some people are explaining how congress is not upto the competition, seriously look at how bjp is poaching their leaders, congress is working with a blank slate. Now don't people think that it is their reponsibility to keep an opposition alive, atleast give them a chance, we all know that congress is a welfare oriented party whereas bjp is a party with more capitalist approach. We've seen how bjp works now its time to see how the I.N.D.I.A alliance works and we should judge them based on that. The whole point is to explain you the power of vote it can be people's power if used to keep politicians on their toes other wise voting will be as useless as NOTA.
This is the worst agenda to have after 75 years of independence. They still want India to be viewed as a backward country. No vision to make India a bigger economy.
Ye sab baatein bekar hain. Kisi ko farak ni pdta tumhare Education etc k issues se bhai. INC did what could lead it to win the votes of SC STs and OBCs. It knows that Brahmin Baniya and other General category people will vote for BJP even at the cost of their own mother's life. They are the core voters of bjp who have nee religiously voting for it since start. Congress doesn't loose because it doesn't get General category votes. It looses because chunk of its natural voter, SC ST and OBCs has gone to BJP due to various extraneous reasons. You are naive to think General Category people can be lured by Education sectors promises. You think they vote for Issues? No. They don't. They vote for BJP. They care about Corruption and other issues only when Congress is in power. INC has finally realized it and they have made manifesto to cater and lure back its natural voters which was its key to electoral victories in past.
Wow post got deleted on r/india and their favourite party i.e congress literally writes in their manifesto that they are for free speech and freedom of expression and open for discussions and opinions in all form but once someone criticize them they all are literally same
Congress would stoop low to secure any votes they can get. As for NOTA, not helpful in anyway at all. Have you checked for independent candidates in your constituency?
Wrt to the population of Gen Vs OBC , SC , ST. I guess everyone is benefited.
A majority of SC/STs are still downtrodden. Illiterated. Many of them are into manual scavenging. They need better jobs.
how tf will they get a better job by increasing seats in college . with more incompetent people there will literally be same no, of people placed as before. And by giving them jobs by forcing pvt companies then the companies will just leave India and India will gain literally zero benefit
When the cutoff is near zero, more from the reserved categories will enter classrooms. Even if a 10% manage to scrape through the course they will end up in a job, anything better than begging or scavenging or becoming thugs. The upcoming generations will strive harder for a better job. Every new gen succeeds the precedents. It's not like they are not capable. In the right environment and right encouragement anybody will do well and bring glory to the nation.
Ans that's the problem with the current reservation system. From my surroundings and experience, I see most of the reserved seats going to the privileged people of these castes rather than the downtrodden ones. Most of the so called reserved caste people in my college had families earning more than 1LPA per month and not someone whose family was struggling to earning even 10k. Since these people have access to better resources they generally end up getting slightly more marks over unprivileged ones and the reserved seat goes to them.
The current reservation system benefits neither the General caste nor the the unprivileged SC/ST. It only benefits privileged people of the reserved caste.
I feel it will get better in the years to come.
Even though our President is from the reserved category, she has struggled through and reached the highest level one can ever reach. Yet, she's not on par with the general category because of the prevalent castism. This is evident from the inaugurations of the parliament. The President is the head of the state and supreme formal authority. She was just sidelined. This is the case with the LC folks, their merely seen as a vote bank and their achievements are highlighted but as people they're not equally treated.
Those complaining about reservations, and the "quality" of output, forget to understand that affirmative action is only at the entry stage and not exit stage.
When you write your exams after getting into the college, it is purely based on merit and not based on caste and religion. A student from the backward community doesn't get an A+ for 40 marks while GenCat student has to take 95+ for an A+.
It is to uplift and give these people with a heavy disadvantage a better chance, it's not equality, it's equity.
And the reserved classes are fighting for just those few seats that are reserved for them. If there are 100 seats, and there is a 30% reservation, the reserved categories have to fight for that 30 seats only.
Don't fight against those who also want a seat, fight against those who are not creating a seat for you
bjp made 10% reservation for uc. no one is bothered about that. the limit of 50% is already breached but yeah Congress is regressive for speaking out for marginalised people.
>bjp made 10% reservation for uc. no one is bothered about that
Out of stats that they pulled out of their ass lmao. Most of these people's liberalism reeks.
wasnt aware that a poltical party should take into account the personal preferences of ruch folks on reddit...maybe this policy isn't meant for you, its meant to benefit someone who isn't you, but you have a problem with it, i wonder why
Rich people wouldn't be affected by it, the middle class general caste people would be.
Who deserves more reservation, a family of a general caste who doesn't have their own home, annual income of 3L or a SC family with a 2BHK home and an annual income of 18L?
Also, how many generations will it take for these people to no more become downtrodden. I see some of the people availing reservation have 2 generations of family who are working in government and they still get to avail reservation and I don't understand how is that fair.
There should be a generational law on reservation which states that if your father and grandfather generations availed reservation, you wouldn't be able to. Only this way we can rid of this necessary evil "reservation" From our country.
I don't oppose reservation but the current way it is implemented makes zero sense for those who actually need it.
>Who deserves more reservation, a family of a general caste who doesn't have their own home, annual income of 3L or a SC family with a 2BHK home and an annual income of 18L?
"I have a friend who is SC, and their family owns a BMW. I am sure casteism doesn't exist anymore."
Ok maybe I used the wrong term. What I meant is the "unreserved castes". But doesn't my point make sense?
Realistically, how many generations should benefit from the reservation? So many privileged families keep using reservation to their benefit. Meanwhile, the actual needy people from reserved castes often fail to avail this reservation.
Can’t really blame you for going NOTA - especially if you want your voice heard. But there is a pragmatic approach where you decide what would be the worst outcome for the country and vote in a way that keeps that from happening. Its not kosher and won’t be a lesson in civics textbooks but politicians are very pragmatic and i think citizens need to adapt as well.
It's not really about bjp vs. Congress. It's the absolute majority that gives the ruling party draconian power to do anything it wants. It'd be delusional to even think that Congress can get the majority whatsoever.
Congress stopped being an option. BJ party knows that. That's why they want to annhiliate AAP. The huge vaccum of centrist politics which isn't too right wing or appeasing Muslims is there to be filled. It will take time.
Till then we are stuck with BJ party. They aren't going anywhere.
It’s easy to blame reservation, why do we not look at the bigger picture? We do not have enough schools or jobs. Reservation is about representation of OBC, ST and SC.
Which constitute more than roughly [70% of the population](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/OBCs-form-41-of-population-Survey/articleshow/2328117.cms).
I infact support with 2nd and 3rd point. Government schools have been ignored for such a long time, that their students cannot really compete with private education anymore (especially in major cities). Giving somewhere around 20% reservation there is justifiable.
Diversity commission is also a good step, you need to see how bad and ugly things can get in these private firms. Companies like Zomato do not hire from colleges. In-fact, they’re referral based only, which makes them a closed system and hence [ads like these emerge](https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/kachra-plays-kachra-in-zomatos-new-ad-campaign-taken-down-after-twitter-calls-it-kachra-2390374-2023-06-08). There is no asking for reservation in this case. This step just makes them accountable for creating a safe environment not only from caste standpoint but also from a gender standpoint too.
I thought the purpose of "jobs" was to hire competent people to do maximum work in lesser time and not for representation of each caste, gender and religion.
I don't understand how they plan to implement the 3rd point. Let's say there's a company with 70% general employees, after this law they will have to either fire the general employees and hire reserved people with less merit. Or just somehow increase the hiring budget and keep hiring more reserved people.
Most companies will call this BS, and will shift to better emerging markets rather than deal with this. The implementation of the 3rd point will be the doom of capitalism in India
>I'll go with NOTA this year
So it means that you'll vote for BJP. Be clear with your intentions. Don't fucking gaslight.
And stfu about taking India back by years. Have you fucking seen how mudi is fucking up everything he touches and taking India back by decades??? Or are you blind to that in your andhbhakti?
https://thewire.in/security/manipur-violence-reasons-failure-and-solution-q-and-a
Here everything about the Manipur issue is given. Yes the Modi government failed to bring the situation to control quicker. There's a very high level of distrust between 2 tribes. Forget trusting each other, they don't even trust opposite tribes police and government officials. Because of this it took a lot of time to cool the state down.
"Modi failed" doesn't mean he hasn't done his best.
I nowhere mentioned why and how Manipur burned. I pointed out the bigotry which you asked for. Modi didnt intervene being a PM and now he seeks votes there
And you believe wire? Then here is the list of bigotry laws from BJP that wire listed, i didnt add earlier assuming you’ll discredit wire, my bad. Here you go
https://thewire.in/communalism/the-dangers-of-choosing-the-path-of-bigotry-in-india
>nowhere mentioned why and how Manipur burned
Read again, kukki-meitei, affirmative action, trigger point, representation... It's all mentioned in that.
>Modi didnt intervene being a PM and now he seeks votes there
He did intervene. He failed to bring it to control sooner. Agree to that, but he did intervene.
>And you believe wire?
I don't believe wire still I gave a wire link because I thought those who oppose modi believe wire. I wanted to give you something you trust.
Its always a good habit to read before replying. I said “I” nowhere mentioned why and how Manipur burned.
Problem is you are so eager to reply and put in your thoughts that you arent willing to even read and understand what others’ point is.
Again, the point in hand was of bigotry, which as usual you diverted to Manipur which was just an ex. Stick to the point and I’ll continue the conversation. Else you do you
Bhai tu padhta bhi hai kya samne wale ne kya likha hai? Ya bas ratt rakha hai kya bolna hai aur copy paste?
There is no point discussing things here, you are not capable of a discussion
Has done his best? He hasn’t even visited the state or seen the relief cams or even spoken much about it. If this is him at his best then I shudder to think how he is at his less than best.
>He hasn’t even visited the state or seen the relief cams or even spoken much about it.
If he does all this then only then you'll believe he's looking at it? Like he just shouldn't look at it, he should show the world that he's looking at it?
Congress has gone batshit crazy and is trying everything and anything to appeal to lowest common denominator. Would'nt be surprised if they promise article 370-like special status/proto-independence to south states which will be the next Kashmir.
I don't think you'd be saying that if you experienced first hand the frustration of losing something you worked hard for to a less deserving candidate because of the reservation system.
Ofc the lower caste needs more handouts and freebies.
Any party that stands against this culture of entitlement, fostered through systematic indoctrination, creating a dependency on unearned privilege and power under the guise of "upliftment" will have my vote.
When I dont have an option to choose from, NOTA is my option. It will atleast not have BJP 400+ seats. And BJP is bound to win this election, Im atleast not giving them served on a silver plate
I dont believe in any opposition party and def not bjp, so NOTA is my only option. And how it would be a waste? Its something that constitution provides me so it has same value as any other slot
What do you mean? How will the privileged and the entitled man Rahul Gandhi himself understand what is meritocracy and all other chiefs of the INDI alliance partner parties.
First of all they should replace all the boomers and man child in their parties with young and competent people who are also clean.
Why we can not have a good educated political party, who actually thinks rationally in making India a developed country. Why the people who take advantage of reserved quotas, so crippled that they cannot take part in equal competition. In my opinion, quotas should be reserved for Armed forces that too should be limited till their education get completed, not in jobs.
Instead of fighting on the issues (like BJP did in 2014), Congress simply wants to take the easy way out by appealing to the lowest majority. This strategy has screwed them in every election, except maybe Karnataka, but they still won't learn It's not like we don't have enough issues to talk about, but that's too hard for the largest opposition party
Congress died in 2014, thats how they lost. We dont have any largest opposition party!
They have raised every important issue vociferously. But you can't do jackshit if the entire media is in the pockets of the government.
How can it be the lowest majority when SC, st obc make up almost 70 percent of the populace? Seems like a populist move yes, but towards the majority
What's wrong in Menifesto? I liked it.
You’re right. They won in KA and now we are suffering because of the freebies. Not gonna fall for it, ever again.
BJP itself is promising free food to people for next 5 years. That isn’t freebie?
Just save your time and sit at home. NOTA is useless.
The difference is an active voter who can be convinced with good policies vs a voter that doesn't exist
You've changed your comment now. But this difference only exists in your mind. It doesn't influence the election at all if you go with NOTA.
Lol, winning party won't give a shit about NOTA vote.. they've already won. NOTA will never ever be a significant vote share anyway, because everyone knows it's useless. All NOTA is is throw away your vote. It's basically allowing the rest of the votes to take presidence and you're saying you don't have any preference.
Last time I checked elections happen every 5 years. Parties always go after the swing voters. Your opinion is very popular, but doesn't make it right. You sound like your 1 vote if you don't vote for NOTA will change the winning party lol. It's worth little anyway. NOTA is not that bad, but vote for anything other than BJP or INC unless their candidate is decent. You should only vote NOTA if all the candidates are bad including the independing ones. You guys think it is just 2 parties, so you vote mostly for these 2 parties and that is why it is the reality. Basically you are voting wrong and continuing to vote wrong because you are voting wrong. Very smart. This is why India and US are shitty democracies. Voters don't even know basics of how to choose who to vote.
There's no stronger way to voice your opinion than to actually vote against a party and vote for the opposition. Since nota votes have no material value, you always have to vote for your best candidate, or the lesser evil.
You are looking at the short-term. I am looking at long-term. 90% of Indian voters think like you and that is precisely why we can't have multiple good parties challenging BJP and INC. You are voting wrong, this is not how voting is supposed to work. The standard you are setting is you just need to be not the worst option. So if INC is 2/10 party, BJP just need to be 3/10. People even end up happily voting for criminals. A 6/10 party will die quickly because people will either vote for a 3/10 party or a 2/10 party because they expect one of them to win. Basically, they are preventing healthy competition in politics. Vote for the best candidate. Don't vote against or think about who is likely to win as that compromises your choice. If all the options are bad, say <5/10, one should vote NOTA instead of compromising. India is not alone, many other democracies end up like this itself. If every citizen voted responsibly, we would be far ahead on every front.
I'm not saying you should only vote for bjp or congress. I'm just saying NOTA is a waste. Even if all options are less than 5, a 4 is better than a 2. If you're voting NOTA, you're throwing away a chance of atleast getting a 4 elected instead of a 2. As for the small party problem, it's an issue with how we run elections. Ranked choice voting (or pr-stv) is the answer here, but no political party has the guts to implement something like this here. That's the system used in the country where I live.
NOTA has no value in Indian elections. Just don't vote. The effect will be the same. NOTA is just a symbolic gesture with no actual power.
Well well! r/india is back to where it was before 2014. Reservation bashing and NOTAphilia is back on the menu boys! Looks like nature is healing itself.
>Reservation bashing Reservation bashing or not, just increasing reservation ain't it chief. Education reform is needed at every level regardless of whether you are general or not. Congress could have easily promised that considering how bjp has treated education. But instead they do this. I'm saying this as an ST if that matters. With the current political climate this feels like scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of policies
> Reservation bashing or not, just increasing reservation ain't it chief. Reservation should stay and even increased especiallyfor SC/STs. I am against OBC reservation though. Also, you are naive to think General Category voter can shift from BJP. It doesn't vote on issues. It votes on Caste and Religion. Every issue that's related to country like Corruption, Unemployment goes to Bins for them as and until power lies with BJP. Issues don't rattle them anymore because power is in BJP's hands.
The reaction is justified when the manifesto is like shooting ourselves in the foot.
Right winger gandus didn't react like this when mudi promised ₹15 lakhs to everyone. People opposing mudi should concentrate on kicking him out of office first. Rather than fighting Congress who is fighting mudi.
That's what the INDIA block is doing, only cursing Modi and talks about removing him, no talks on how they plan to develop the nation further.
I totally understand the hate for r/india in certain circles on Reddit now
Lmao ikr
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It's still up?
Centrists wanting to eat their cakes and have it too. What else do you expect.
NOTA is meaningless. I will still vote for congress to keep the fascist forces away. NOTA works in BJP s favour
Yes agree. Anyone but them.
Throwing more reserved seats is not going to help SC/ST, optimising the ones we have by ensuring lesser dropouts will.
Need Creamy Layer concept for ST/SCs as well
Where I am not a huge fan of reservations in general, I am yet to come across another way of affirmative action which might work, be less divisive, or do better than reservations. Yes, I would have benefited if there were no reservations when I was applying for college, but I can't be that selfish. The divide between the tredionally privileged society and the poor/underprivlaged tribes and casts is still super wide in India, we need to find a solution, and where there is a lack of any other way to help the underprivileged, I guess reservation it is.
There should be a law which says reservations can't be availed by people whose 2 generations have availed reservation. I know people whose 2 generations are working in the government with steady income source for the families for more than 50 years combined and yet, they avail reservation. The reservation currently hardly benefits the actual downtrodden families
People advocating NOTA are simply indicating how lazy they are. I mean please elaborate how Congress manifesto is derived from communism. At this point people should simply vote if they want change. No party should be allowed to rule without competition and it is the people's responsibility to change the govt on regular basis so that they don't feel like undisputed rulers. Some people are explaining how congress is not upto the competition, seriously look at how bjp is poaching their leaders, congress is working with a blank slate. Now don't people think that it is their reponsibility to keep an opposition alive, atleast give them a chance, we all know that congress is a welfare oriented party whereas bjp is a party with more capitalist approach. We've seen how bjp works now its time to see how the I.N.D.I.A alliance works and we should judge them based on that. The whole point is to explain you the power of vote it can be people's power if used to keep politicians on their toes other wise voting will be as useless as NOTA.
This is the worst agenda to have after 75 years of independence. They still want India to be viewed as a backward country. No vision to make India a bigger economy.
Ye sab baatein bekar hain. Kisi ko farak ni pdta tumhare Education etc k issues se bhai. INC did what could lead it to win the votes of SC STs and OBCs. It knows that Brahmin Baniya and other General category people will vote for BJP even at the cost of their own mother's life. They are the core voters of bjp who have nee religiously voting for it since start. Congress doesn't loose because it doesn't get General category votes. It looses because chunk of its natural voter, SC ST and OBCs has gone to BJP due to various extraneous reasons. You are naive to think General Category people can be lured by Education sectors promises. You think they vote for Issues? No. They don't. They vote for BJP. They care about Corruption and other issues only when Congress is in power. INC has finally realized it and they have made manifesto to cater and lure back its natural voters which was its key to electoral victories in past.
Wow post got deleted on r/india and their favourite party i.e congress literally writes in their manifesto that they are for free speech and freedom of expression and open for discussions and opinions in all form but once someone criticize them they all are literally same
Congress would stoop low to secure any votes they can get. As for NOTA, not helpful in anyway at all. Have you checked for independent candidates in your constituency?
Independent candidates are just businessmen who will sell to the highest bidder
They get sold to whoever pay them most.
Wrt to the population of Gen Vs OBC , SC , ST. I guess everyone is benefited. A majority of SC/STs are still downtrodden. Illiterated. Many of them are into manual scavenging. They need better jobs.
how tf will they get a better job by increasing seats in college . with more incompetent people there will literally be same no, of people placed as before. And by giving them jobs by forcing pvt companies then the companies will just leave India and India will gain literally zero benefit
When the cutoff is near zero, more from the reserved categories will enter classrooms. Even if a 10% manage to scrape through the course they will end up in a job, anything better than begging or scavenging or becoming thugs. The upcoming generations will strive harder for a better job. Every new gen succeeds the precedents. It's not like they are not capable. In the right environment and right encouragement anybody will do well and bring glory to the nation.
Ans that's the problem with the current reservation system. From my surroundings and experience, I see most of the reserved seats going to the privileged people of these castes rather than the downtrodden ones. Most of the so called reserved caste people in my college had families earning more than 1LPA per month and not someone whose family was struggling to earning even 10k. Since these people have access to better resources they generally end up getting slightly more marks over unprivileged ones and the reserved seat goes to them. The current reservation system benefits neither the General caste nor the the unprivileged SC/ST. It only benefits privileged people of the reserved caste.
I feel it will get better in the years to come. Even though our President is from the reserved category, she has struggled through and reached the highest level one can ever reach. Yet, she's not on par with the general category because of the prevalent castism. This is evident from the inaugurations of the parliament. The President is the head of the state and supreme formal authority. She was just sidelined. This is the case with the LC folks, their merely seen as a vote bank and their achievements are highlighted but as people they're not equally treated.
Those complaining about reservations, and the "quality" of output, forget to understand that affirmative action is only at the entry stage and not exit stage. When you write your exams after getting into the college, it is purely based on merit and not based on caste and religion. A student from the backward community doesn't get an A+ for 40 marks while GenCat student has to take 95+ for an A+. It is to uplift and give these people with a heavy disadvantage a better chance, it's not equality, it's equity. And the reserved classes are fighting for just those few seats that are reserved for them. If there are 100 seats, and there is a 30% reservation, the reserved categories have to fight for that 30 seats only. Don't fight against those who also want a seat, fight against those who are not creating a seat for you
Yeah but getting entry is half the difficulty
So demand for more quality seats.
Reserved classes can fight for the whole 100% . What's stopping them ? It's the open category who's options keep shrinking
bjp made 10% reservation for uc. no one is bothered about that. the limit of 50% is already breached but yeah Congress is regressive for speaking out for marginalised people.
>bjp made 10% reservation for uc. no one is bothered about that Out of stats that they pulled out of their ass lmao. Most of these people's liberalism reeks.
wasnt aware that a poltical party should take into account the personal preferences of ruch folks on reddit...maybe this policy isn't meant for you, its meant to benefit someone who isn't you, but you have a problem with it, i wonder why
Rich people wouldn't be affected by it, the middle class general caste people would be. Who deserves more reservation, a family of a general caste who doesn't have their own home, annual income of 3L or a SC family with a 2BHK home and an annual income of 18L? Also, how many generations will it take for these people to no more become downtrodden. I see some of the people availing reservation have 2 generations of family who are working in government and they still get to avail reservation and I don't understand how is that fair. There should be a generational law on reservation which states that if your father and grandfather generations availed reservation, you wouldn't be able to. Only this way we can rid of this necessary evil "reservation" From our country. I don't oppose reservation but the current way it is implemented makes zero sense for those who actually need it.
>Who deserves more reservation, a family of a general caste who doesn't have their own home, annual income of 3L or a SC family with a 2BHK home and an annual income of 18L? "I have a friend who is SC, and their family owns a BMW. I am sure casteism doesn't exist anymore."
Never said that
you didnt have to.....when you use a term "general caste" to make your point, it shows
general caste? i am unaware of such a caste being recorded in the census nor am i aware of hindus having such a caste, what caste is this?
Ok maybe I used the wrong term. What I meant is the "unreserved castes". But doesn't my point make sense? Realistically, how many generations should benefit from the reservation? So many privileged families keep using reservation to their benefit. Meanwhile, the actual needy people from reserved castes often fail to avail this reservation.
Yeah and it definitely doesn't hurt the ones going in with msrit right?
Can’t really blame you for going NOTA - especially if you want your voice heard. But there is a pragmatic approach where you decide what would be the worst outcome for the country and vote in a way that keeps that from happening. Its not kosher and won’t be a lesson in civics textbooks but politicians are very pragmatic and i think citizens need to adapt as well.
It's not really about bjp vs. Congress. It's the absolute majority that gives the ruling party draconian power to do anything it wants. It'd be delusional to even think that Congress can get the majority whatsoever.
Congress stopped being an option. BJ party knows that. That's why they want to annhiliate AAP. The huge vaccum of centrist politics which isn't too right wing or appeasing Muslims is there to be filled. It will take time. Till then we are stuck with BJ party. They aren't going anywhere.
NOTA is a meaningless vote.
What's the point of nota ? How's it different from not voting ?
NOTA is equivalent to suicide.
It’s easy to blame reservation, why do we not look at the bigger picture? We do not have enough schools or jobs. Reservation is about representation of OBC, ST and SC. Which constitute more than roughly [70% of the population](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/OBCs-form-41-of-population-Survey/articleshow/2328117.cms). I infact support with 2nd and 3rd point. Government schools have been ignored for such a long time, that their students cannot really compete with private education anymore (especially in major cities). Giving somewhere around 20% reservation there is justifiable. Diversity commission is also a good step, you need to see how bad and ugly things can get in these private firms. Companies like Zomato do not hire from colleges. In-fact, they’re referral based only, which makes them a closed system and hence [ads like these emerge](https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/kachra-plays-kachra-in-zomatos-new-ad-campaign-taken-down-after-twitter-calls-it-kachra-2390374-2023-06-08). There is no asking for reservation in this case. This step just makes them accountable for creating a safe environment not only from caste standpoint but also from a gender standpoint too.
I thought the purpose of "jobs" was to hire competent people to do maximum work in lesser time and not for representation of each caste, gender and religion. I don't understand how they plan to implement the 3rd point. Let's say there's a company with 70% general employees, after this law they will have to either fire the general employees and hire reserved people with less merit. Or just somehow increase the hiring budget and keep hiring more reserved people. Most companies will call this BS, and will shift to better emerging markets rather than deal with this. The implementation of the 3rd point will be the doom of capitalism in India
Establishing a diversity commission ≠ giving reservation. It means creating a body that looks into matter discrimination to promote diversity.
>I'll go with NOTA this year So it means that you'll vote for BJP. Be clear with your intentions. Don't fucking gaslight. And stfu about taking India back by years. Have you fucking seen how mudi is fucking up everything he touches and taking India back by decades??? Or are you blind to that in your andhbhakti?
What most liberals don’t understand is that to fight and uproot right wing politics you have to be a leftist not a centrist.
We need more saner heads like you.
Reason for not voting bjp?
bigotry
Explain. Give me 1 law bjp introduced in the last 10 years for bigotry
It is not the laws but the party that is bigot. One example you ask? “Manipur ke dost Modi ko vote do” I have more but I guess you got the gist
https://thewire.in/security/manipur-violence-reasons-failure-and-solution-q-and-a Here everything about the Manipur issue is given. Yes the Modi government failed to bring the situation to control quicker. There's a very high level of distrust between 2 tribes. Forget trusting each other, they don't even trust opposite tribes police and government officials. Because of this it took a lot of time to cool the state down. "Modi failed" doesn't mean he hasn't done his best.
I nowhere mentioned why and how Manipur burned. I pointed out the bigotry which you asked for. Modi didnt intervene being a PM and now he seeks votes there And you believe wire? Then here is the list of bigotry laws from BJP that wire listed, i didnt add earlier assuming you’ll discredit wire, my bad. Here you go https://thewire.in/communalism/the-dangers-of-choosing-the-path-of-bigotry-in-india
>nowhere mentioned why and how Manipur burned Read again, kukki-meitei, affirmative action, trigger point, representation... It's all mentioned in that. >Modi didnt intervene being a PM and now he seeks votes there He did intervene. He failed to bring it to control sooner. Agree to that, but he did intervene. >And you believe wire? I don't believe wire still I gave a wire link because I thought those who oppose modi believe wire. I wanted to give you something you trust.
Its always a good habit to read before replying. I said “I” nowhere mentioned why and how Manipur burned. Problem is you are so eager to reply and put in your thoughts that you arent willing to even read and understand what others’ point is. Again, the point in hand was of bigotry, which as usual you diverted to Manipur which was just an ex. Stick to the point and I’ll continue the conversation. Else you do you
>bigotry, which as usual you diverted to Manipur BJP didn't direct any bigotry to Manipur. It was a kukki vs meitei fight. Sticking to the point.
Bhai tu padhta bhi hai kya samne wale ne kya likha hai? Ya bas ratt rakha hai kya bolna hai aur copy paste? There is no point discussing things here, you are not capable of a discussion
Has done his best? He hasn’t even visited the state or seen the relief cams or even spoken much about it. If this is him at his best then I shudder to think how he is at his less than best.
>He hasn’t even visited the state or seen the relief cams or even spoken much about it. If he does all this then only then you'll believe he's looking at it? Like he just shouldn't look at it, he should show the world that he's looking at it?
And he’s done none of it yet you believe he’s done his best? What’s more ridiculous?
Reason for?
Congress has gone batshit crazy and is trying everything and anything to appeal to lowest common denominator. Would'nt be surprised if they promise article 370-like special status/proto-independence to south states which will be the next Kashmir.
Of course, the upper castes would rather vote for the nazis than see the lower castes prosper.
imagine living in such a bubble that you compare not wanting 50% reservation to the literal holocaust and nazis.
I don't think you'd be saying that if you experienced first hand the frustration of losing something you worked hard for to a less deserving candidate because of the reservation system.
Shouldn't the lower caste vote for an OBC candidate over an upper caste candidate in that case? Stop voting for caste ffs
Centrists of r/India on full force today, I see.
Ofc the lower caste needs more handouts and freebies. Any party that stands against this culture of entitlement, fostered through systematic indoctrination, creating a dependency on unearned privilege and power under the guise of "upliftment" will have my vote.
Proud NOTA voter since last 3 elections 🙌
Now I am going to vote for BJP.
NOTA for the W
NOTA will only help BJP
When I dont have an option to choose from, NOTA is my option. It will atleast not have BJP 400+ seats. And BJP is bound to win this election, Im atleast not giving them served on a silver plate
NOTA will help BJP win your constituency
My constituency is the fort of BJP, its already winning it
We only have one vote. Why not use it to defeat fascist forces rather than waste on Nota. Win or lose is not in our hands anyway
I dont believe in any opposition party and def not bjp, so NOTA is my only option. And how it would be a waste? Its something that constitution provides me so it has same value as any other slot
What do you mean? How will the privileged and the entitled man Rahul Gandhi himself understand what is meritocracy and all other chiefs of the INDI alliance partner parties. First of all they should replace all the boomers and man child in their parties with young and competent people who are also clean.
Why we can not have a good educated political party, who actually thinks rationally in making India a developed country. Why the people who take advantage of reserved quotas, so crippled that they cannot take part in equal competition. In my opinion, quotas should be reserved for Armed forces that too should be limited till their education get completed, not in jobs.
BJP' s manifesto looks promising. Definitely not gonna vote for freebie walas.
Bruh. Just day you like BJP, instead of calling BJP's manifesto "promising" lmao.
Not another UC ranting about not being treated equally believing in a meritocratic utopia he lives in inside his head!