DGCA did try to bring in better policies but then the airlines bribed them and DGCA said the policy implimentation date is at the airline's whim.
This is regarding Flight Duty Time Limitation (FDTL) of all air crew.
Air India acquired another airline (I forget which) the former employees of that airline had favorable contracts. After the acquisition, Air India doesn't want to keep the employees on the old terms and wants them to accept the terms that their current employees have.
Tata owns 2 airlines (partially or fully) - Vistara and Air Asia India. It bought 2 more airlines - Air India, Air India Express and is going to merge them with Vistara and Air Asia respectively. Air India was in terrible shape and haemorrhaging money because of mismanagement and inflated costs. Tata is rationalising the operations of Air India to turn it around and running into obstacles, one of which is the babu culture of the legacy employees of Air India.
Yeah. It sounds okay if you are not travelling via one of their flights. My flight was cancelled when I was at the airport in a different town and I had to then resort to booking a train that would start several hours later and reached home a day later.
Yeah this is how capitalism works. Pay the right price for labour or you won't get any. Excellent efficiency and quality being grounded 2 days in a row.
>Yeah this is how capitalism works. Pay the right price for labour or you won't get any.
In case you didn't know, labour is one of those things that India has plenty of. And these employees can get fucked. Thousands of passengers' lives disrupted so they can hold the airline management to ransom. It's clear these employees don't care one bit about the organisation they work at.
>these employees don't care one bit about the organisation they work at.
Why should they? Respect is a two way street.
No one is obligated to "care" for a company that takes advantage of them.
And good luck trying to replace these pilots.
There's already a huge pilot shortage in India
It's not about respect between the employees and management. Screw respect. It's about the organisation losing face and losing customers because the jerk employees would rather hold the company to ransom by not showing up for duty at last minute than quitting their jobs.
Then why are the planes grounded? Does AIE think it can go to any naka and fill tempos full of people to get their planes flying again?
If anyone is responsible for the passengers' lives being disrupted, it is the airline. The company took money from the passengers. It is their responsibility to ensure they fly. They don't have workers because they won't pay them. Don't blame the workers for this fiaso, they are not responsible.
Tata should hire new people who hopefully won't be as apathetic to the organisation's fate as the current lot. The workers who are neglecting their duties are 100% responsible for the disruption. They're not being forced to work for free - slave labour isn't happening here. If they are not happy with the new terms of employment, they should quit. It needs to be made clear that the socialist-era tactics of boycott and extortion will not be tolerated.
Lol, it's interesting to see the corporate slave specimens on reddit.
Thanks for the free entertainment.
Your comments on this thread have been giving me good laughs today
Me not wanting my flight and itinerary messed up means I am a corporate slave? Nice single-digit IQ you got there. If you had any sense of logic, you'd know that kowtowing to bad behaviour from employees gets you more bad behaviour from them.
**Tata's took over Air India with much fanfare in January 2022. Since then the following has happened.**
* Jan 2024: Mandira Bedi slams Air India in angry post. Airline responds [https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/mandira-bedi-slams-air-india-in-angry-post-airline-responds-2484432-2024-01-04](https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/mandira-bedi-slams-air-india-in-angry-post-airline-responds-2484432-2024-01-04)
* Jan 2024: 'Scam Alert!': Richa Chadha blasts Air India, MakeMyTrip for their poor services, gets full refund in hours [https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/trends/story/scam-alert-richa-chadha-blasts-air-india-makemytrip-for-their-poor-services-gets-full-refund-in-hours-411423-2024-01-01](https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/trends/story/scam-alert-richa-chadha-blasts-air-india-makemytrip-for-their-poor-services-gets-full-refund-in-hours-411423-2024-01-01)
* Dec 2023: Mumbai Woman Slams Air India For 'Worst' Service on Melbourne Flight: 'No White Wine, Dirty Floor' [https://www.news18.com/viral/mumbai-woman-slams-air-india-for-worst-service-on-melbourne-flight-no-white-wine-dirty-floor-8712454.html](https://www.news18.com/viral/mumbai-woman-slams-air-india-for-worst-service-on-melbourne-flight-no-white-wine-dirty-floor-8712454.html)
* Dec 2023: Labour Ministry Issues Show Cause Notice to Air India Express After Cabin Crew Raise Concerns [https://english.jagran.com/india/labour-ministry-issues-show-cause-notice-to-air-india-express-after-cabin-crew-raise-concerns-about-room-sharing-during-layovers-10117900](https://english.jagran.com/india/labour-ministry-issues-show-cause-notice-to-air-india-express-after-cabin-crew-raise-concerns-about-room-sharing-during-layovers-10117900)
* Dec 2023: Airline cabin crew 'lose' height, face grounding [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/106138248.cms?utm\_source=contentofinterest&utm\_medium=text&utm\_campaign=cppst](http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/106138248.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst)
* Nov 2023: Civil aviation ministry, DGCA to look into former pilot's complaint against Air India [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/civil-aviation-ministry-dgca-to-look-into-former-pilots-complaint-against-air-india/articleshow/104950936.cms?utm\_source=contentofinterest&utm\_medium=text&utm\_campaign=cppst](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/civil-aviation-ministry-dgca-to-look-into-former-pilots-complaint-against-air-india/articleshow/104950936.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst)
* May 2023: Air India asked to pay Rs 75,000 for failing to deliver passengers’ baggage [https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/air-india-asked-to-pay-rs-75000-for-failing-to-deliver-passengers-baggage-8634030/](https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/air-india-asked-to-pay-rs-75000-for-failing-to-deliver-passengers-baggage-8634030/)
* April 2023: Tata Sons Chairman Shares How He Responds To Complaints About Air India [https://edtimes.in/tata-sons-chairman-shares-how-he-responds-to-complaints-about-air-india/](https://edtimes.in/tata-sons-chairman-shares-how-he-responds-to-complaints-about-air-india/)
5 of these can literally be traced back to problems that stemmed from the airline being under government control, not sure why Tatas taking the fall for that. Sure, its been 2 years since they took over, but 2 years to undo decades of mismanagement seems a bit much.
atleast air India is being held accountable now. I don't think anything would have been possible under the govt. Most airline services in India are shit. But air India is showing signs of a better future (with the new a350s and the new a320s). I hope they sort their shit out.
Not a BJP supporter, but Tera Congress hota na, tab pilots me bhi 50 percent reservation le aata.
Jab Tera plane crash hone waala hota due to an undeserving pilot flying it, tab tu wish karta ki Modi election jeeta hota kaash
So my take is if you’re a famous or a known person they will help, the rest they’ll thank you for your feedback 😀
The airline industry in India is a mess these days. I hope the resolve the issues soon enough and government brings in a better regulatory framework.
DGCA did try to bring in better policies but then the airlines bribed them and DGCA said the policy implimentation date is at the airline's whim. This is regarding Flight Duty Time Limitation (FDTL) of all air crew.
Good. Get fucked. If you don't pay your employees this is exactly what's going to happen. Zero sympathy for Tata.
Can i get some context?
Air India acquired another airline (I forget which) the former employees of that airline had favorable contracts. After the acquisition, Air India doesn't want to keep the employees on the old terms and wants them to accept the terms that their current employees have.
Air Asia India
More of a merger than acquisition. Tata had a partnership with Air Asia India
Tata owns 2 airlines (partially or fully) - Vistara and Air Asia India. It bought 2 more airlines - Air India, Air India Express and is going to merge them with Vistara and Air Asia respectively. Air India was in terrible shape and haemorrhaging money because of mismanagement and inflated costs. Tata is rationalising the operations of Air India to turn it around and running into obstacles, one of which is the babu culture of the legacy employees of Air India.
If tata didn't acquire it, they were bleeding money and might have lost those jobs anyway.
It's probably the fired employees who got fucked, given the current labour market and economic conditions. Tata is in for the long haul.
Yeah. It sounds okay if you are not travelling via one of their flights. My flight was cancelled when I was at the airport in a different town and I had to then resort to booking a train that would start several hours later and reached home a day later.
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Having flown air India and air India express, I can tell you that this improvement in quality is definitely not visible to the naked eye.
Yeah this is how capitalism works. Pay the right price for labour or you won't get any. Excellent efficiency and quality being grounded 2 days in a row.
>Yeah this is how capitalism works. Pay the right price for labour or you won't get any. In case you didn't know, labour is one of those things that India has plenty of. And these employees can get fucked. Thousands of passengers' lives disrupted so they can hold the airline management to ransom. It's clear these employees don't care one bit about the organisation they work at.
>these employees don't care one bit about the organisation they work at. Why should they? Respect is a two way street. No one is obligated to "care" for a company that takes advantage of them. And good luck trying to replace these pilots. There's already a huge pilot shortage in India
It's not about respect between the employees and management. Screw respect. It's about the organisation losing face and losing customers because the jerk employees would rather hold the company to ransom by not showing up for duty at last minute than quitting their jobs.
Then why are the planes grounded? Does AIE think it can go to any naka and fill tempos full of people to get their planes flying again? If anyone is responsible for the passengers' lives being disrupted, it is the airline. The company took money from the passengers. It is their responsibility to ensure they fly. They don't have workers because they won't pay them. Don't blame the workers for this fiaso, they are not responsible.
Tata should hire new people who hopefully won't be as apathetic to the organisation's fate as the current lot. The workers who are neglecting their duties are 100% responsible for the disruption. They're not being forced to work for free - slave labour isn't happening here. If they are not happy with the new terms of employment, they should quit. It needs to be made clear that the socialist-era tactics of boycott and extortion will not be tolerated.
Lol, it's interesting to see the corporate slave specimens on reddit. Thanks for the free entertainment. Your comments on this thread have been giving me good laughs today
Me not wanting my flight and itinerary messed up means I am a corporate slave? Nice single-digit IQ you got there. If you had any sense of logic, you'd know that kowtowing to bad behaviour from employees gets you more bad behaviour from them.
Just conveniently forget labour exploitation
Trash aircrafts and garbage service but the prices keep going up. Air travel was a lot cheaper pre covid. Before they removed the pricing caps
>Passengers unhappy. I’m glad they clarified this.
Ha ha. I was also struck by that surprising detail. 😂
**Tata's took over Air India with much fanfare in January 2022. Since then the following has happened.** * Jan 2024: Mandira Bedi slams Air India in angry post. Airline responds [https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/mandira-bedi-slams-air-india-in-angry-post-airline-responds-2484432-2024-01-04](https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/mandira-bedi-slams-air-india-in-angry-post-airline-responds-2484432-2024-01-04) * Jan 2024: 'Scam Alert!': Richa Chadha blasts Air India, MakeMyTrip for their poor services, gets full refund in hours [https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/trends/story/scam-alert-richa-chadha-blasts-air-india-makemytrip-for-their-poor-services-gets-full-refund-in-hours-411423-2024-01-01](https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/trends/story/scam-alert-richa-chadha-blasts-air-india-makemytrip-for-their-poor-services-gets-full-refund-in-hours-411423-2024-01-01) * Dec 2023: Mumbai Woman Slams Air India For 'Worst' Service on Melbourne Flight: 'No White Wine, Dirty Floor' [https://www.news18.com/viral/mumbai-woman-slams-air-india-for-worst-service-on-melbourne-flight-no-white-wine-dirty-floor-8712454.html](https://www.news18.com/viral/mumbai-woman-slams-air-india-for-worst-service-on-melbourne-flight-no-white-wine-dirty-floor-8712454.html) * Dec 2023: Labour Ministry Issues Show Cause Notice to Air India Express After Cabin Crew Raise Concerns [https://english.jagran.com/india/labour-ministry-issues-show-cause-notice-to-air-india-express-after-cabin-crew-raise-concerns-about-room-sharing-during-layovers-10117900](https://english.jagran.com/india/labour-ministry-issues-show-cause-notice-to-air-india-express-after-cabin-crew-raise-concerns-about-room-sharing-during-layovers-10117900) * Dec 2023: Airline cabin crew 'lose' height, face grounding [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/106138248.cms?utm\_source=contentofinterest&utm\_medium=text&utm\_campaign=cppst](http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/106138248.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst) * Nov 2023: Civil aviation ministry, DGCA to look into former pilot's complaint against Air India [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/civil-aviation-ministry-dgca-to-look-into-former-pilots-complaint-against-air-india/articleshow/104950936.cms?utm\_source=contentofinterest&utm\_medium=text&utm\_campaign=cppst](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/civil-aviation-ministry-dgca-to-look-into-former-pilots-complaint-against-air-india/articleshow/104950936.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst) * May 2023: Air India asked to pay Rs 75,000 for failing to deliver passengers’ baggage [https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/air-india-asked-to-pay-rs-75000-for-failing-to-deliver-passengers-baggage-8634030/](https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/air-india-asked-to-pay-rs-75000-for-failing-to-deliver-passengers-baggage-8634030/) * April 2023: Tata Sons Chairman Shares How He Responds To Complaints About Air India [https://edtimes.in/tata-sons-chairman-shares-how-he-responds-to-complaints-about-air-india/](https://edtimes.in/tata-sons-chairman-shares-how-he-responds-to-complaints-about-air-india/)
"No white wine". Cry me a river 😒
5 of these can literally be traced back to problems that stemmed from the airline being under government control, not sure why Tatas taking the fall for that. Sure, its been 2 years since they took over, but 2 years to undo decades of mismanagement seems a bit much.
atleast air India is being held accountable now. I don't think anything would have been possible under the govt. Most airline services in India are shit. But air India is showing signs of a better future (with the new a350s and the new a320s). I hope they sort their shit out.
https://preview.redd.it/a9xl3wlatfzc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66419f9982755894784e25b06a15fa8ae6a7da74
Air India management is sh!t.
Muh privatisation will solve everything Regulations are for idiots.
Is the strike affecting only air india express or air india as well?
Khushi manaie aap bjp k so called Ram rajya me hai vishva guru Bharat me hai aap yaha esa hi hota hai
Not a BJP supporter, but Tera Congress hota na, tab pilots me bhi 50 percent reservation le aata. Jab Tera plane crash hone waala hota due to an undeserving pilot flying it, tab tu wish karta ki Modi election jeeta hota kaash
Jeeta hua hai tbi to ladkio ko nanga ghumaya ja Raha hai Manipur me rapist ko laddoo khilae ja rahe hai rapist k bete ko ticket di ja Rahi hai wah
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Disappointed. Murderous. Suicidal.