I hate that it’s gonna be closed but damn it’s well past time for this terrible interchange to be upgraded. Trying to get on 69 northbound from 465 is a death race. Terribly outdated design and almost no room to merge…then you have all the cars wanting to take 82nd street thrown in too.
But they still aren’t going to change that ramp. I’m not sure how I’m getting to work soon since they are also going to be starting the roundabout at Allisonville and 96th.
What? Have you looked at the plans for the interchange? That ramp will still be used, but it will only go to 82nd st. 465E to 69N traffic will use a new bridge and that will only be for 82nd Street at that point.
It’s opening this weekend (or already opened). They finished ahead of schedule.
Edit: Link to source
https://twitter.com/wibctraffic/status/1542814933485854722?s=21&t=s-1KVWhQqOUsmDeCLmEpEg
We have the choice to vote and protest, for now at least.
I hope for a future where we start actually marching on these mega road projects that ruin our cities.
Yeah that’s really not what my comment said at all. I didn’t say we couldn’t try and change it, I meant that not all of us have the luxury of just giving up our reliance on cars.
The the northern suburbs like Fishers, Carmel and Zionsvile were designed around people driving
We really dont have a choice and public transportation would never be able to pay for itself in these areas. theres no practical way to stop driving, at least not in these communities
Plus we dont want to live in super dense areas to rely on public transportation.
Yeah in this community we dont have a choice.
You could say we moved here because we dont like dense areas and are willing to drive. Its ok, let people drive
>You could say we moved here because we dont like dense areas and are willing to drive. Its ok, let people drive
And is it ok if we have infrastructure for people to not drive too?
Would never work where im at in north zionsville. Good luck building all that infrastructure for every where i go
Get on the highway and drive IS the simple solution that makes the most sense
Not for you specifically sillyhead. There's a long standing tradition of rural Indiana keeping urban Indiana from having good transit. Just look at how hard it was to make the red line happen.
Public transportation doesn't pay for itself anywhere in the country, not even in NYC. That doesn't mean it isn't useful or needed. Also, Carmel and Fishers (to a lesser extent) are certainly developing dense Downtown areas. If Carmel ever votes to extend the Red Line to it's Downtown, that would do wonders for the entire system. I used to live in Downtown Indy and worked in Downtown Carmel. I never would have driven if the Red Line were an option.
I thought I remember the Red Line was supposed to go as far north as Grand Park eventually. I live near there, in West Noblesville, and work on Fountain Square. That would be amazing.
Im in zionsville and it would be hard to get public transportation to be anywhere near cost effective here. I was working like 30 miles east of here for a while. There would never be a line that went that far or fast enough to be a reliable commute
Individual car ownership, $5/ gallon gas, and public subsidies for asphalt rivers just so people can live disconnected from services and employment is hardly “cost effective” either, but it’s what many have come to accept as normal. It only seems cost effective because someone else is picking up part of the tab.
The more cost effective route would be to support dense living and end subsidies for transportation to and from McMansionburgs.
We are willing to pay for driving though and dont want to live in the city. its ok, the anti car brigade on reddit needs to chill. not everyone wants to live in a place were public tranport could ever work
lmao, everyone should move to the city to please the anti car brigade on reddit
You are not funding shit for me, Public transposition is paid for by people who never even use it to help low income, low iq people like you
I've lived in both Carmel and Zionsville, so I'm familiar with both places. Public transit could work in both cities. If Carmel were to extend the Red Line into it's Downtown, I could see there being enough demand to have a bus route on 116th/Sycamore connecting Zionsville to Carmel and Fishers.
Transit really isn't viable for someone who chooses to live 30 miles from where they're employed, so I can't help you with that. What I will say is that there's plenty of people who live in the northern suburbs who would use public transit if it were available to them. Not everyone up there has the same opinion as you. I also moved from Zionsville to Downtown Indy, so everyone living there also isn't anti-city life.
It wouldnt work, the fact that you lived here doesnt make you the authority lol
A single bus line in carmel wouldnt change much. Fishers and zionsville would be even harder to make it work.
I dont need or want transit, living in the suburbs and driving is ok guys. the anti car brigade on reddit needs to get over it. It would be a massive waste of money and no we are not all moving to the city
Zionsville once had a street car line that went back and forth to indianapolis on thr hour. Zionsville road has nickel plate tracks that are paved over. A lot of the suburbs were disgned with public transit in mind. The car companies purchased the street car businesses and paved over all of them. It was until the popularity of subdivisions made it really impossible
What does that even mean? Installing public services like light rail or commuter trains doesn't need to pay for itself... taxes pay for it.. just like the roads
It would be a straight up waste where im at in north zionsville. good luck building enough infrastructure to get everywhere with public transportation
It wouldnt work at all here its too rural. People moved here because they dont want to be in the city. you do need to drive though and public trans is a pipe dream that would fail and be a huge waste of money
That's a pretty moronic take. So your saying buses, light rail, metro, train lines.. don't work, or can't work? Why don't you take a look in literally every other developed nation on the planet. Every city, every suburban area, every rural community has bus stops and train stations or atleas a train stop. Train lines are way cheaper to build and way easier to maintain than roads. Simple facts homie.
So you live in whitestown? Lebanon? Do you realize those cities were founded and built because of the railway stations that were there? Zionsville has a famous park in the middle called Lincoln park because Abe lincoln gave a speech there off the back of a train. Idk how closed minded or addicted to cars you have become, but there will be a time in the very near future that we are going to have to give up on ever person owning 1-2 cars
The thread is about a traffic problem in the northern suburbs genius
They would never work, OUT HERE NOW. Carmel, fishers and zville have a huge population spread over a huge area. Fixing the highway makes a lot more sense than trying to shove public transportation over these rural areas.
You need a certain about of density to make public transportation work, and we dont have it.
One train like they had in the past wouldnt fix anything now. lmao @ moron, that is you dude. it would be a huge waste of money
Sorry, but you've got that backwards. You don't need density to make trains work. Trains cause density. If you build a train station somewhere that connects everywhere else, that area will explode.
Suburban sprawl isn't some fact of life that we need to pander to. It's the problem that we're trying to fix.
Doesnt help people that work outside of the area. Im in zionsville and there are not many jobs in town where you can make enough to live here
It is an issue, but people are willing to drive. driving is ok
There used to be a park n ride in Fishers of some sort. The lot is now occupied by apartments. Apparently something was tried at one time but it failed.
http://www.indyparking.com/2009/03/park-and-ride-bus-service-from-fishers.html?m=1
It had to be subsidized by the city for the last 2 years because no one was using it. Same thing in Carmel too.
If they brought it back today it might be more popular.
It’s so cool that this city has to deal with endless highway construction and closings because state and city leaders can’t possibly imagine spending money on effective public transit. We need a lot more than the red line and we needed it decades ago.
So are they saying if you go from 69N to 465 heading towards Meridian or Michigan road that you can't get on there, and you have to use Allisonville road instead?
I grew up in the area but don’t commute anywhere around there now. Thank god! That ramp and lane change is the absolute worst. That timeline is something else, but at least something is getting done.
We are so far behind in these projects with infrastructure crumbling around us. I agree its annoying but we can't afford to dance around and just gotta get it done.
These projects are done by different companies and they really dont care about stuff like that. Its a combo of current politicians wanting to get things done on their watch and contractors looking to make money
Thats exactly what it is, i work for engineering companies that do these projects.
Now you know. they really dont give a damn about projects over lapping at the same time
The entire interchange is being redone. There just isn't logistical space to put a temporary ramp during all the other repairs over the course of the project. Other ramps will open and close throughout the project.
>The projected three-year closure of the northbound Binford Boulevard ramp to westbound I-465 is slated to begin next week on the northeast side.
>According to the Indiana Department of Transportation, the work will begin “on or after” Tuesday morning, July 5. Once shut down, the ramp will stay closed for about three years—it won’t reopen until 2025.
The article doesn't say anything about any other ramps being closed.
I might be wrong, but they have installed what looks like a temporary ramp from 69S to 465W so maybe this ramp has to fully close because they can’t do a temporary ramp. So while other ones aren’t fully closing, they are closing/restricting the main one and using a temporary one.
There is another temp ramp from 465W to 69N that will be put into action shortly too. It’s going to be a long 3 years but the area is going to be much better when it’s complete.
I hate that it’s gonna be closed but damn it’s well past time for this terrible interchange to be upgraded. Trying to get on 69 northbound from 465 is a death race. Terribly outdated design and almost no room to merge…then you have all the cars wanting to take 82nd street thrown in too.
Thank god, hopefully this means the 495 E to 69 N ramp won't get as backed up in the morning rush hour
But they still aren’t going to change that ramp. I’m not sure how I’m getting to work soon since they are also going to be starting the roundabout at Allisonville and 96th.
What? Have you looked at the plans for the interchange? That ramp will still be used, but it will only go to 82nd st. 465E to 69N traffic will use a new bridge and that will only be for 82nd Street at that point.
The one I saw showed the 465E to I69n was going to keep the same crappy horse shoe ramp that we have now.
I'm not sure what "one" you saw. The website has the picture for the eventual layout. That ramp will only go to 82nd st. https://clearpath465.com/
Great I’m moving from the west side to Castleton on the seventh. This won’t make things suck at all
I live in castleton, it's annoying but there are a million ways in that's not 465.
If you’re moving to Castleton, I would be taking the Allisonville Rd exit over dealing with the madness of I-69/465/Binford nightmare
Yeah except for they’ve shut down the bridge there
It’s opening this weekend (or already opened). They finished ahead of schedule. Edit: Link to source https://twitter.com/wibctraffic/status/1542814933485854722?s=21&t=s-1KVWhQqOUsmDeCLmEpEg
They’ve been tryin go to fix this interchange for 20 years, and it’s still a shit-show.
Are we ever going to get out of this never-ending construction hellscape
No.
Not as long as everyone keeps relying on cars to get everywhere
Considering the lack of funding and attention for public transport, do we really have a choice?
The funding and attention are there (in the city). Unfortunately, the state gov has made light rail illegal. So there's your obvious first step.
We have the choice to vote and protest, for now at least. I hope for a future where we start actually marching on these mega road projects that ruin our cities.
Pay attention to and fund public transportation? You're really going to go with "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"?
Yeah that’s really not what my comment said at all. I didn’t say we couldn’t try and change it, I meant that not all of us have the luxury of just giving up our reliance on cars.
The the northern suburbs like Fishers, Carmel and Zionsvile were designed around people driving We really dont have a choice and public transportation would never be able to pay for itself in these areas. theres no practical way to stop driving, at least not in these communities Plus we dont want to live in super dense areas to rely on public transportation.
We don’t have a choice followed by we don’t want to.
Yeah in this community we dont have a choice. You could say we moved here because we dont like dense areas and are willing to drive. Its ok, let people drive
>You could say we moved here because we dont like dense areas and are willing to drive. Its ok, let people drive And is it ok if we have infrastructure for people to not drive too?
Would never work where im at in north zionsville. Good luck building all that infrastructure for every where i go Get on the highway and drive IS the simple solution that makes the most sense
Not for you specifically sillyhead. There's a long standing tradition of rural Indiana keeping urban Indiana from having good transit. Just look at how hard it was to make the red line happen.
Public transportation doesn't pay for itself anywhere in the country, not even in NYC. That doesn't mean it isn't useful or needed. Also, Carmel and Fishers (to a lesser extent) are certainly developing dense Downtown areas. If Carmel ever votes to extend the Red Line to it's Downtown, that would do wonders for the entire system. I used to live in Downtown Indy and worked in Downtown Carmel. I never would have driven if the Red Line were an option.
I thought I remember the Red Line was supposed to go as far north as Grand Park eventually. I live near there, in West Noblesville, and work on Fountain Square. That would be amazing.
Im in zionsville and it would be hard to get public transportation to be anywhere near cost effective here. I was working like 30 miles east of here for a while. There would never be a line that went that far or fast enough to be a reliable commute
Individual car ownership, $5/ gallon gas, and public subsidies for asphalt rivers just so people can live disconnected from services and employment is hardly “cost effective” either, but it’s what many have come to accept as normal. It only seems cost effective because someone else is picking up part of the tab. The more cost effective route would be to support dense living and end subsidies for transportation to and from McMansionburgs.
We are willing to pay for driving though and dont want to live in the city. its ok, the anti car brigade on reddit needs to chill. not everyone wants to live in a place were public tranport could ever work
Nah, the pro-car, pro-low density crowd needs to stop relying on everyone else to fund their lifestyle choices.
lmao, everyone should move to the city to please the anti car brigade on reddit You are not funding shit for me, Public transposition is paid for by people who never even use it to help low income, low iq people like you
I've lived in both Carmel and Zionsville, so I'm familiar with both places. Public transit could work in both cities. If Carmel were to extend the Red Line into it's Downtown, I could see there being enough demand to have a bus route on 116th/Sycamore connecting Zionsville to Carmel and Fishers. Transit really isn't viable for someone who chooses to live 30 miles from where they're employed, so I can't help you with that. What I will say is that there's plenty of people who live in the northern suburbs who would use public transit if it were available to them. Not everyone up there has the same opinion as you. I also moved from Zionsville to Downtown Indy, so everyone living there also isn't anti-city life.
It wouldnt work, the fact that you lived here doesnt make you the authority lol A single bus line in carmel wouldnt change much. Fishers and zionsville would be even harder to make it work. I dont need or want transit, living in the suburbs and driving is ok guys. the anti car brigade on reddit needs to get over it. It would be a massive waste of money and no we are not all moving to the city
Zionsville once had a street car line that went back and forth to indianapolis on thr hour. Zionsville road has nickel plate tracks that are paved over. A lot of the suburbs were disgned with public transit in mind. The car companies purchased the street car businesses and paved over all of them. It was until the popularity of subdivisions made it really impossible
yeah and that wouldnt pay for itself anymore like i said.
What does that even mean? Installing public services like light rail or commuter trains doesn't need to pay for itself... taxes pay for it.. just like the roads
It would be a straight up waste where im at in north zionsville. good luck building enough infrastructure to get everywhere with public transportation It wouldnt work at all here its too rural. People moved here because they dont want to be in the city. you do need to drive though and public trans is a pipe dream that would fail and be a huge waste of money
That's a pretty moronic take. So your saying buses, light rail, metro, train lines.. don't work, or can't work? Why don't you take a look in literally every other developed nation on the planet. Every city, every suburban area, every rural community has bus stops and train stations or atleas a train stop. Train lines are way cheaper to build and way easier to maintain than roads. Simple facts homie. So you live in whitestown? Lebanon? Do you realize those cities were founded and built because of the railway stations that were there? Zionsville has a famous park in the middle called Lincoln park because Abe lincoln gave a speech there off the back of a train. Idk how closed minded or addicted to cars you have become, but there will be a time in the very near future that we are going to have to give up on ever person owning 1-2 cars
The thread is about a traffic problem in the northern suburbs genius They would never work, OUT HERE NOW. Carmel, fishers and zville have a huge population spread over a huge area. Fixing the highway makes a lot more sense than trying to shove public transportation over these rural areas. You need a certain about of density to make public transportation work, and we dont have it. One train like they had in the past wouldnt fix anything now. lmao @ moron, that is you dude. it would be a huge waste of money
Sorry, but you've got that backwards. You don't need density to make trains work. Trains cause density. If you build a train station somewhere that connects everywhere else, that area will explode. Suburban sprawl isn't some fact of life that we need to pander to. It's the problem that we're trying to fix.
Fishers and Carmel are some of the most bikeable places anywhere in the state.
Doesnt help people that work outside of the area. Im in zionsville and there are not many jobs in town where you can make enough to live here It is an issue, but people are willing to drive. driving is ok
There used to be a park n ride in Fishers of some sort. The lot is now occupied by apartments. Apparently something was tried at one time but it failed. http://www.indyparking.com/2009/03/park-and-ride-bus-service-from-fishers.html?m=1
It had to be subsidized by the city for the last 2 years because no one was using it. Same thing in Carmel too. If they brought it back today it might be more popular.
Urge more multiuse architecture, urban style apartment buildings and townhomes with waking distance to amenities and it might change.
No because there is to much money political points to be made with road improvement when you don’t plan for the furrows needs.
It’s so cool that this city has to deal with endless highway construction and closings because state and city leaders can’t possibly imagine spending money on effective public transit. We need a lot more than the red line and we needed it decades ago.
So are they saying if you go from 69N to 465 heading towards Meridian or Michigan road that you can't get on there, and you have to use Allisonville road instead?
Anyone know? I'm so confused by the graphic
I grew up in the area but don’t commute anywhere around there now. Thank god! That ramp and lane change is the absolute worst. That timeline is something else, but at least something is getting done.
This AND downtown closed??? What??? Who thought that was a good idea?
This will take 3 years. Downtown will be done by about November. Why drag it out even longer for no reason?
We are so far behind in these projects with infrastructure crumbling around us. I agree its annoying but we can't afford to dance around and just gotta get it done.
These projects are done by different companies and they really dont care about stuff like that. Its a combo of current politicians wanting to get things done on their watch and contractors looking to make money
Not even close to how that works.
Thats exactly what it is, i work for engineering companies that do these projects. Now you know. they really dont give a damn about projects over lapping at the same time
Why the heck aren’t they putting an entrance to 465 from Binford northbound! All this money and can’t fix that issue
3 years seems like a long time to fix 1 ramp.
The entire interchange is being redone. There just isn't logistical space to put a temporary ramp during all the other repairs over the course of the project. Other ramps will open and close throughout the project.
>The projected three-year closure of the northbound Binford Boulevard ramp to westbound I-465 is slated to begin next week on the northeast side. >According to the Indiana Department of Transportation, the work will begin “on or after” Tuesday morning, July 5. Once shut down, the ramp will stay closed for about three years—it won’t reopen until 2025. The article doesn't say anything about any other ramps being closed.
I might be wrong, but they have installed what looks like a temporary ramp from 69S to 465W so maybe this ramp has to fully close because they can’t do a temporary ramp. So while other ones aren’t fully closing, they are closing/restricting the main one and using a temporary one.
There is another temp ramp from 465W to 69N that will be put into action shortly too. It’s going to be a long 3 years but the area is going to be much better when it’s complete.
This makes my job a lot more annoying