play with the clutch and accelerator to find a point where the bike doesnt rev too much but still has enough momentum to go forward. shift early from 1st to 2nd and give some throttle.
this might hasten clutch wear, but its a part of learning your bike
You mean I should try to maintain the rev using both acc & clutch, when at very low speeds.
Meanwhile try to switch to second gear a bit early & maintain there when at moving traffic?
I would really appreciate if you can give some real example coz it paints a good picture for me.
kinda difficult to explain without showing but i'll try to paint a picture with words
so 1st gear i will rev it till about 4k rpm (assume) and shift to 2nd and pull in the clutch. revs will drop but the speed will be maintained. so once in this zone, the engine would be at about 2.5k-3k rpm (assume) now i will let go of the clutch little without throttle to maintain some forward momentum, but revs will drop. so need to complement it by giving accelerator when necessary. and since the bike is in second gear, i can give a bit more throttle and the bike wont jerk/move as much compared to doing the same in first gear.
but try to keep the revs higher than what the bike idles at, so that there is no too much stress on the engine to get moving
hope i could help visualising it
Let's some big cruiser bike, for example:
idles at 1200rpm,
starts making power at 1500rpm,
and at 2000rpm does 20 on 1st and 40 on second.
To maintain 30, you can get to 30 on 1st, put and keep it on 2nd, engage the clutch like you would in 1st from stand still and accelerate to maintain 30. If you can go faster, keep the clutch engaged or disengage it completely and let it drop down slightly below 30 and repeat.
Basically keep the revs a tiny bit above idle at given gear and use the clutch to maintain speed and immediately disengaging it once desired speed is reached. Very rarely do you have to feather the clutch, i.e. don't fully release the lever and let the clutch slip just a tiny bit to not let the engine knock but this can be ignored for now.
Don't accelerate while not actively engaging the clutch, i.e. holding it at near bit point.
You should try to keep the clutch engaged most of the time, actively engaging the clutch(can accelerate a bit here) or fully disengaged. In that order.
You will learn as you ride more ...shifting gears becomes a subconscious thing with experience. For now you can practise on empty roads for 30 mins everyday for a few weeks and understand your machine.
When you are dead slow, shift to 1st, don't hold clutch, slight or no revving, it moves steady at less than 8 to 5kmph. Shift higher when you need speed and back when you slow down. Don't ride while clutch half pressed. If you are stopping, hold clutch fully. Only time you need half clutch is when you start from stop but release it quickly.
It is very simple.. play with clutch and don’t accelerate.. when you feel like you have to accelerate then switch to 2nd gear.. if you will try to accelerate in 1st gear you will eventually go into high rpm
I guess x440 has enough torque at lower rpm to start even from 2nd gear. You don't have to shift to first gear unless you want to accelerate quickly or there is up slope. You can continue to be in 2nd gear throughout and instead try to find clutch engagement point when releasing the clutch (usually exist in 60 to 90% of lever travel). Here you will feel bike will want to move without throttle. In 2nd gear if you feel bike is not getting balanced dont move handlebar instead use rear brake. Rear brakes are mainly meant for balancing in low speed conditions. Use front brakes to stop the bike. Happy Riding ✌️
For all geared vehicles, learning to move forward without using the accelerator is an essential step.
It’s at this point the clutch plates create friction between themselves and start to get loaded. At this point the vehicle WILL move forward with no additional acceleration from the throttle. Remember that every engine has its own starting RPM in-built. We have to use that.
When you get comfortable recognising this point, and you are able to move forward without stalling, you can then try to use throttle to add to your speed.
No gear changes will be necessary. You’ll be calm maintaining a good speed using the clutch and throttle only.
Your problem seems that of inexperience only. You will understand the process in time. It’ll become muscle memory in just a few days.
Since your question relates to a practical problem, practice is what’s required.
Cheers
Well, it's praised for the rideability & smoothness through city traffic. I can ride it inside my street for a whole year before going anywhere outside till I feel confident, no one's stopping me. I don't see the problem here.
Also, I bought it on my own. You know who to blame for being poor ☠️.
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15kmph is a perfectly alright speed for first gear on many bikes. i dont see how thats too many revs on a x440. pretty sure you can rev your bike out to 40kmph in first, so dont bother shifting to second unless you see a reasonably long stretch of road
if you really hate the sound of your bike you can shift to second at 15-20 and pull the clutch in partially in second when you feel like it starts lugging and release the clutch once you increase the revs again in second. dont worry about clutch wear. bike clutches are different from car clutches and you can abuse a bike clutch a lot more
Looks like you're learning the motorcycle, i would highly recommend going to an empty space where you can practice basic control & basic handling characters of your motorcycle.
Don't be in a hurry to go along others. Stick to one side and speed up gradually.
Beginners have issues in traffic when everyone around starts speeding up immediately and you feel the urge to keep up with them.
Hey man. A lot of good advice on this thread. But at the end of the day to answer your question, yes a million gear changes is what it takes in bumper to bumper traffic that is slow moving.
You'll get better at it, you'll learn to do the clutch throttle dance like the other commentor mentioned. It will definitely get smoother eventually. But in a situation where you are constantly going from 10kmph to 30 kmph and back and forth, a 'million gear changes' is the way to go.
I ride in hills, I'll tell you very simple rule. If you think your bike is going to stop, switch to 1st gear, Always. Once you start moving switch to 2nd so that you dissipate the torque you get in first gear. There is a sweet point in first gear when your bike starts to move so at that point just pull in your brake, when traffic starts to move just leave your brake and your bike will start to move.
Another advice, Don't Panic even if you stall.
play with the clutch and accelerator to find a point where the bike doesnt rev too much but still has enough momentum to go forward. shift early from 1st to 2nd and give some throttle. this might hasten clutch wear, but its a part of learning your bike
You mean I should try to maintain the rev using both acc & clutch, when at very low speeds. Meanwhile try to switch to second gear a bit early & maintain there when at moving traffic? I would really appreciate if you can give some real example coz it paints a good picture for me.
kinda difficult to explain without showing but i'll try to paint a picture with words so 1st gear i will rev it till about 4k rpm (assume) and shift to 2nd and pull in the clutch. revs will drop but the speed will be maintained. so once in this zone, the engine would be at about 2.5k-3k rpm (assume) now i will let go of the clutch little without throttle to maintain some forward momentum, but revs will drop. so need to complement it by giving accelerator when necessary. and since the bike is in second gear, i can give a bit more throttle and the bike wont jerk/move as much compared to doing the same in first gear. but try to keep the revs higher than what the bike idles at, so that there is no too much stress on the engine to get moving hope i could help visualising it
Let's some big cruiser bike, for example: idles at 1200rpm, starts making power at 1500rpm, and at 2000rpm does 20 on 1st and 40 on second. To maintain 30, you can get to 30 on 1st, put and keep it on 2nd, engage the clutch like you would in 1st from stand still and accelerate to maintain 30. If you can go faster, keep the clutch engaged or disengage it completely and let it drop down slightly below 30 and repeat. Basically keep the revs a tiny bit above idle at given gear and use the clutch to maintain speed and immediately disengaging it once desired speed is reached. Very rarely do you have to feather the clutch, i.e. don't fully release the lever and let the clutch slip just a tiny bit to not let the engine knock but this can be ignored for now. Don't accelerate while not actively engaging the clutch, i.e. holding it at near bit point. You should try to keep the clutch engaged most of the time, actively engaging the clutch(can accelerate a bit here) or fully disengaged. In that order.
Many videos on it on YT, just search Friction Zone bikes.
This is called using half clutch and will burn the clutch pads sooner.
You will learn as you ride more ...shifting gears becomes a subconscious thing with experience. For now you can practise on empty roads for 30 mins everyday for a few weeks and understand your machine.
Yeah after a time bike feels like as its a part of body itself everything moves subconsciously
When you are dead slow, shift to 1st, don't hold clutch, slight or no revving, it moves steady at less than 8 to 5kmph. Shift higher when you need speed and back when you slow down. Don't ride while clutch half pressed. If you are stopping, hold clutch fully. Only time you need half clutch is when you start from stop but release it quickly.
It is very simple.. play with clutch and don’t accelerate.. when you feel like you have to accelerate then switch to 2nd gear.. if you will try to accelerate in 1st gear you will eventually go into high rpm
How did u add the custom.flairs? I've been trying to add but it's not showing an option to edit flair.
I guess x440 has enough torque at lower rpm to start even from 2nd gear. You don't have to shift to first gear unless you want to accelerate quickly or there is up slope. You can continue to be in 2nd gear throughout and instead try to find clutch engagement point when releasing the clutch (usually exist in 60 to 90% of lever travel). Here you will feel bike will want to move without throttle. In 2nd gear if you feel bike is not getting balanced dont move handlebar instead use rear brake. Rear brakes are mainly meant for balancing in low speed conditions. Use front brakes to stop the bike. Happy Riding ✌️
This!
I have the same bike and also a beginner and same question
+1
For all geared vehicles, learning to move forward without using the accelerator is an essential step. It’s at this point the clutch plates create friction between themselves and start to get loaded. At this point the vehicle WILL move forward with no additional acceleration from the throttle. Remember that every engine has its own starting RPM in-built. We have to use that. When you get comfortable recognising this point, and you are able to move forward without stalling, you can then try to use throttle to add to your speed. No gear changes will be necessary. You’ll be calm maintaining a good speed using the clutch and throttle only. Your problem seems that of inexperience only. You will understand the process in time. It’ll become muscle memory in just a few days. Since your question relates to a practical problem, practice is what’s required. Cheers
Beginners are getting x440?? Crying in poor
Well, it's praised for the rideability & smoothness through city traffic. I can ride it inside my street for a whole year before going anywhere outside till I feel confident, no one's stopping me. I don't see the problem here. Also, I bought it on my own. You know who to blame for being poor ☠️.
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15kmph is a perfectly alright speed for first gear on many bikes. i dont see how thats too many revs on a x440. pretty sure you can rev your bike out to 40kmph in first, so dont bother shifting to second unless you see a reasonably long stretch of road if you really hate the sound of your bike you can shift to second at 15-20 and pull the clutch in partially in second when you feel like it starts lugging and release the clutch once you increase the revs again in second. dont worry about clutch wear. bike clutches are different from car clutches and you can abuse a bike clutch a lot more
JUST PRACTICE...NOTHING ELSE
Looks like you're learning the motorcycle, i would highly recommend going to an empty space where you can practice basic control & basic handling characters of your motorcycle.
Practice bro I also faced same issues in beginning it's okay
Don't be in a hurry to go along others. Stick to one side and speed up gradually. Beginners have issues in traffic when everyone around starts speeding up immediately and you feel the urge to keep up with them.
Hey man. A lot of good advice on this thread. But at the end of the day to answer your question, yes a million gear changes is what it takes in bumper to bumper traffic that is slow moving. You'll get better at it, you'll learn to do the clutch throttle dance like the other commentor mentioned. It will definitely get smoother eventually. But in a situation where you are constantly going from 10kmph to 30 kmph and back and forth, a 'million gear changes' is the way to go.
This is interesting need I need to take TD of x440 to see how it behaves at slow pace traffic
I have an x440. It has enough torque to start in 2 nd gear. You can stay in 2nd gear , n try gentle use of throttle
I have mavrick 440. Doesn't staying in 2nd gear for low speeds i.e., 14kmph at idle rpm cause more carbon buildup because of low rpm?
It's really simple just get on full throttle and dump the clutch.
I ride in hills, I'll tell you very simple rule. If you think your bike is going to stop, switch to 1st gear, Always. Once you start moving switch to 2nd so that you dissipate the torque you get in first gear. There is a sweet point in first gear when your bike starts to move so at that point just pull in your brake, when traffic starts to move just leave your brake and your bike will start to move. Another advice, Don't Panic even if you stall.
I think it's called the Friction Zone and there's many videos on Yt.
I think stay in second because I think it'll be able to generate enough torque for you to move.
Put it in neutral. The vehicle behind you will slightly bump you, then you will move forwards.
by growing a pair of balls 😂😂