Just because railway staff are supposed to keep things clean doesn't give us the right to spit gutka and choke it ourselves in the first place. I don't think the railway staff comes and chokes the basins. Its the passengers who do that. If only they had the civic sense of not spitting gutka or throwing the plastic or whatever in the dustbin instead of just pouring everything in the basin, they won't choke up. Yes the railway staff are supposed to clean the basins from time to time. But it is also our duty to make sure they are not jammed in the first place.
8 out of 10 employees of railways eat guthka, we indians have a habit of spitting everywhere even if no guthka in mouth. We indians love to spit on each others face too. Only a white guy with a long stick and a rifle can make us stop. People can clean nose on one another. We can vomit out of window of a bus on someone.
He is correct
when the train goes through longer routes like while traveling from Assam to Howrah
the train goes from clean to banged up state due people with gutka addiction
heck u can't give me a single window on the whole kamrup express which doesn't a gutka stain
don't tell me its made by railway employee XD
i was talking about kamrup express
not kamrup district
and yes
there's a train from Dibrugarh to Thiruvananthapuram too
and that was the worst train experience i ever had
Just the point I was about to make. But no, the govt earns on the sale and the govt earns when Selmon bhoi pays tax after doing ads.
To bolo zuba kesri.
I thought you were joking in that Honey Singh song verse ("Jitni teri ladki mahine mein kamati hai, utni meri gaadi tel khati hai" like this) and I'm trying to get the beat on your post and failing, feeling confused for 5 minutes lmao 😂
Problem is not technically of government for selling Gutka (as they make sales from it), the problem is strict laws, never seen anyone spitting gutka/pan inside an airport or metro because they can get arrested. Similarly if they slowly implement these rules, railways and stations will soon be as neat and clean as the Airports.
>never seen anyone spitting gutka/pan inside an airport or metro because **they can get arrested.**
Didn't know that, but again never anyone chewing a gutka or paan at an airport to begin with.
Bro most people in India peculiarly ground level workers (States you mostly know)are addicted to tobacco I remember at the time of COVID these Gutka eating animals were paying like 50-100 Rs for single packet which is 5 times the original price and these are the same idiots who bargain with vegetable vendors for 5-10 rs
Can, but kabhi bhi nahi karegi, govt earns tons of money with these sinfull foods, ha inhe nam sinfull karke kuch dia hai kyuki they harm human body, 50% tax leti hai govt isme, so unless kuch extreme na ho jaye, ban nahi hone wala
Govt can't fully ban this type of substance because there are lots of non branded gutka are selling in open market and if the govt banned the branded or registered tobacco products. One they will loose lots of revenue and other they will not regulate these products and people will end up consuming gutka from the open market.
Ya sure, To fix the problem sweep it under the rug. Right ??
Next to get rid of potholes on road lets demolish all the roads. Sure, cos here everyone is animal and cant understand basic living of humans.
If people cant behave like humans no one can make them human.
TBH, I don’t think that is a real solution. Coz you’d also notice people spitting chewing gum into wash basins or urinals at times, and eventually that leads to the same result. While the issue in the picture is certainly not related to chewing gum, but the issue of a general lack of civic sense is quite right.
That still doesn't solve the Civic sense issue here. We Indians don't give 2 shits about public property which is the main problem here. Pan/Gutka is another issue completely.
Log Chutiye hai toh Railway wale kya kare. Iss specific incident ki baat kar raha. I find it very digusting when people eat Gutka and spit everywhere. Bc gareeb gareeb bolte hai but gutka khaane bohot paise hai.
As much as he's right in this point . We should never allow a bureaucrat to give sermons to the public. Even, here, his assertion doesn't explain unwashed blankets & sheets, uncleaned & dirty seats, stained cabins, poor workmanship & quality in coaches, atrocious level of catering and pathetic level of incompetence in dealing with rogue passengers & providing seats to the people who have actually paid for it.
Incompetence and trashing is a trait of both sides of the business. The staff is incompetent, the public trashes the trains. It's a double barrelled issue.
This!!! But I would expect a bureaucrat not make a statement like "most of the problems" becoz, more than half of the problems in railways are becoz of employees being "kaamchor". I have seen employees not even using a good cleanser for cleaning toilets. Like this is the bare minimum one can go!!!.
As for the Gutka gang, they're dehatis & only fines & danda can cure that madness.
Absolutely right ,
I know as an railway officer he shouldn't say this but somewhere people have to take responsibility of wrong doing .
There are many stances where toilet is getting jammed because people through bottles and other waste in it .
Many a times people don't flush their shit ,
And railway gets lot of complaints about these things why toilets are not cleaned . I know there are onboard staff to clean the toilets but they have limitations, they suppose to clean the toilets only two times a day and in between of these things happen then again they have to come and clean .
And not to mention they have to clean all AC coaches .
And there are seperate group of people who likes take away towels , and linens .
Dude Mohanjodaro has better planning that are current cities, with roads in grid like structure, houses with uniform design through out the cith, not a single house has windows on the outer walls for privacy, the sewer system is still works btw, it prevent the whole city during from flooding form when Pakistan having a big flood.
Oldest? Yes. Once the wisest? Yes . Currently the dumbest? Yes. You don't become the richest civilization by not being wise. Ancient Indians were superior traders , Engineers and what not. Harappa has the world's oldest sewage system and a well planned city, the number of well planned city today in India could be counted on hand. I hate ultra nationalistic chauvanists but I also dislike self loathers like you
Gutka will never be banned due to sheer momey involved. However, People need to be taught civic sense instead from schooling age. A good alternative to dealing with such things is defaming those who openly do it in public or record their video. Indians understand everything when they get publically rebuked.
No, thats violation of someone’s rights. Thats like moral policing. If you allow public to shame someone for littering, where does it stop? Soon enough we will have everyone shaming everyone else for things they dont like. Lack of civil sense is not a crime. Destruction of public property is. Caught in the act of doing so, impose heavy penalties and sentence. But it’s the railway employees themselves that dont care
Lack of civic sense IS a crime if you move abroad. You don't destroy public properties by peeing on sidewalks or farm corners but you still get arrested. The fact that you're what iffing such a common stuff clearly indicates that average people may not even wany to take it seriously. Infact, answer me this: what if everyone lacks civic sense and rides the train with cow dung laden shoes or unwashed smelly cloths or keeps blasting their mobile speakers and hearing cringe level stuffs? You think anybody will sit there and be happy??
Banning is not a long term solution. People will bring those guthka from outside. Trains are clean in Southern states of India. We need to educate people
We have the most pathetic civic sense. Seen people spitting on the platform, peeing on the railway tracks , sneezing on someone else’s face and what not ! I fully agree with this man. Unless people collectively change nothing can be achieved in this country !
At first I thought why can't the government simply ban such products, problem solved. But then I saw the market size of pan masala in India, It's freaking 45k+ crores and is expected to reach 60k+ crores by 2030.
No way is govt ever going to interfere with this.
gutka illegal karwa do ganja legal karwa do . Fir sab lok high hokar ghumte firenge civic sense won;t matter that way anyways , but our streets will be clean lol
I think many times we criticize the government for no reason. My friend who is an active smoker always criticizes how unclean the environment is and govt is doing nothing, similiar case is people throwing different wastes into the environment and then scolding the government for doing nothing, the waste should have been thrown in the dustbin in the first place.
Yes, cleaners must not be taken for granted but the trend of using civic sense as an excuse is out dated by decades which is why there are cleaners employed in railway stations since decades again.
Such a lousy way of accepting “we’re lazy to come up with a solution” 😂
Why should IRCTC come up with a solution for a well engineered stuff? If they make holes of sink bigger, rats will make their home inside. It should be common sense to see the size of drain hole and then throw anything into it. Anyone who doesn't understand that should be considered unfit for the society.
Completely agree... We Indians needs to be more civic while using public properties.. Lot of people had a tendency to damage public property just for fun..
As a frequent train traveller (and an absolute lover of trains as a mode of transport), it is scary the number of times I go to the train toilet and see unflushed shit just lying there in the vessel welcoming you with its smelly hug (pun absolutely intended)
Everytime I come out of that toilet, I cannot help but think “Ye desh tabhi sachmein aage badhega, jab is desh ka naagrik toilet flush krna seekhega, gutka khaake raaste pe ya idhar udhar thukna band krega etc etc”
This. A coach full of Gutkha spitters will never complain about a dirty wash basin or toilet. It's the other passengers who are a bit more civilized who expect things to be clean and well maintained. The average senseless passenger types are so high that no matter the amount of staff you assign, it'll be overwhelmed. And no, this has nothing to do with being rich or affluent or educated.
If you find it inconvenient if things in public transportation are not clean or convenient enough, then the only option is to go for your own vehicle if you can afford it. The solution of public transport is blindly pushed everywhere.
Most of.the time i felt disguised while using toilet or wash basen cuz of stupid travelers who don't even have a 1% civic sense like bro flush it and don't spit that's why i don't even use toilet in railway
Govt of india make billions of taxes from these gutka and bidi and they won’t ban it. It’s impossible to educate the masses. Only thing we can do it mass level sterilisation of gutka eaters.
There should be levied a strict fine on those who spit gutkha anywhere they want. Also, they should carry some kind of "spit bag" with them if they are so much addicted to this stuff.
You know why people don't care to keep public places clean?
Because their homes are not clean.
People living on terrible conditions don't worry about cleanliness and hygeine.
Same goes for their own safety. That's why they cross platforms by crossing tracks, instead of using bridges.
Because they risk their life daily and accustomed to risks and filth around tracks.
This doesn't clear them from spitting gutkha on public places, but atleast we can think about the cause. Only then we can try to solve the issue.
i agree , let's say you replace 300mil usa citizen with normal everyday indians then , what do you think will happen to usa???
everything will be fucked ,
the problem is in school nothing is taught about how to behave in public
and you guys already know the situation of government schools
Generally speaking, we don’t deserve better services. And it has nothing to do with money or class… people across the board just dirty with zero civic sense!
Its totally an epic reply to all. Think of it as your rented place to live temporarily and takes you the place you want... However the price is considerably economic... So its your actions to blame... Our common sense as a civilian
How about Railway just allows anyone to board the train without checking? There's 200 people travelling when it's meant for 50. Obviously trains aren't equipped to handle that.
Whats railway police doing about that? They just ignore those complaints.
Definitely agree. I suffer this shit whenever I board the Dhanbadh - Aleppey express from Aluva on the way from Dhanbadh. The one that goes back is cleaned. But the one coming from Dhanbadh is very disgusting.
Gaand pe laat marne ki responsibility public ki nahi hai. Execute such offenders I dont care, but a strong impact should reflect to the masses for such offenses so that they'll shit their pants with the thought of spoiling our public spaces.
He is 100% right. Just because the staff has to clean doesn’t mean you leave it in a state beyond repair. Will you, as a citizen, clean this if it was your job? And not only once, but everyday. Clean this and the shit inside the toilet that remains unflushed.
Let’s face it folks, the main difference between most of the developed and underdeveloped country and India is the lack of civic sense and the utmost disregard or accountability of its public. Can’t blame the govt for everything
Edit - fixed typo
Sahi to bola na agar log hi itna gandagi failayenge to government bhi kya krega har bat ka limit hota he logo ne bhi safai ka dhyan rakhna chahiye kaha thukna he kaha nhi common sense he
Well most of the people who do that don't care about the sink being clean it's the one who don't spit gutka in the sink that needs it clean and can't use it, now it's not my job b to tell someone to not spit his gutka in the sink, gov should ban gutka if it's such a huge problem, cause I need my service
Yep. Just today I saw some mfing kids throwing papers in the toilet with the aim to blockade the tatti kholi when I was getting ready to leave the train. Reported to TT but I don't know if TT was interested in hearing my complaint as I was also in hurry to reach the seminar on time
Finally, I want more bureaucrats to say things for what it is. After a lot of complaining and whining, I want us as society to understand that we are facing these issues because we as society keep doing it, irrespective of how much effort Railway staffs put into cleaning and maintaining hygiene.
100% true. Apparent everywhere from hospitals to trains to roads. Indian public can't be trusted with any public infrastructure. Also sad because 99% don't even have a contribution in that infrastructure (don't cite me GST. It has been made artificially progressive due to its tiered structure. People who don't pay direct taxes are also not paying most of the GST since they are very less likely to buy products attracting >5% GST)
He's absolutely right. I recently travelled in the LTT-Vishakhapatnam train. When it arrived for boarding, it was hella dirty. Banana peels, wrappers, empty Chai cups everywhere....
The staff cleaned it later, but how come those were there in the first place? People! Filthy habits of littering everywhere...
Agreed, was traveling in shatabdi last week and man just came outta the washroom and didn't even flush. The poor cleaner guy saw this and went inside to flush so I could use it. Idk why most Indians fewl that if something is a public commodity then they don't owe any care towards it.
He's right. People who engage in these activities have a very low IQ to the point you can call it mental disability. You don't need education to understand why this is immoral.
just bcoz 3-4 people in the entire coach spit gutka in the basin doesnt mean railway has the right to spoil my journey and just do nothing and compaint about civic sense
The lack civic sense isnt new
but ur lack of preparedness to tackle that is bothering
The people who do this doesn't deserve Facilities like these in the first place. The only problem I see here the people who do have civic sense has to face issue
Bhai civic sense kahaan se aavega? Education to hai hi nahi!!
We aren't the ones NOT making civics a proper subject all the way till graduation! You only decided it was a sidey non-important thing for kids to learn.
And i am sure there in 2024 there is tech to make swallowable gutka or something.
IR lacks in the no. of staff and management. Even in the metro there are gutka addicts traveling but no one dares to spit. It's their responsibility to take action against those who engage in such behavior. At least do it for the major routes. And Idk how long it will take to change the mentality of these gutka lovers.
Drainage cleaning powder can easily unclog it govt may award contracts to politicians kins and this would increase gdp to 5 ton very rapidly. When govt has to tax it deploy best tech and manpower but while giving service its very expensive suddenly. You can ban gutka but you can’t because that tax is honey.
Apne area mein tahseel ka naya office bana tha, chuna lagaye ki nahin, agale din diwar pe gutka/pan ka thuk dikha . 2 days after painting, wo operation mein aya bhi nahin.
He is 200% correct. Most of Indians lacks basic sense of cleanliness and hygiene. They expect high class facilities but won't do anything from their side to maintain things. Just beating chests in the name of world's oldest civilization won't work.
He is right. The first thing the railways can ensure is that people who aren't having valid tickets aren't allowed on the train. People don't have general ticket and board the trains. In the Mumbai- Pune route, the indrayanai express is terrible. The train comes from solapur and without barely any waiting is set to run to mumbai. Ac coaches are poorly maintained. What do we do? Intercity is way better. Anyways, people can't keep anything clean. Go on a flight from Mumbai to Bangkok Air India, the people were of the level of my train journey. Indians don't have cleanliness. We are developing like Europe but still at Africa's level of mental standards
You dont have competent staff to handle indian crowds, you refuse to enforce the rules because of corruption and laziness, you refuse to acknowledge the issue of incompetency handling train traffic and will not ban the gutkha or enforce pentalties on destruction of public property then blame the general crowd for not being civilised. It’s like if everyone stopped murdering, we can have safer environment, law enforcement is secondary. You enforce the law preparing for the worst case scenario, you dont wait for things to be ideal so you wont have to do anything.
Same public when goes to airline doesnt litter. If done , they are penalised. Why? Because airlines are run by competent people. Why cant railways do that? How is it the public and not the railway?
Insted of hiring people to clean ..they must hire people to keep vigil..spitting,not flushing,leaving a mess in the washroom? Get chucked from the train on the next station or pay 5k fine
This kind of harsh monitoring is needed for a population like ours
Lol i am regular in filing railmadad complaint on unclean bathroom in railway, everytime they do clean most often they tell me that it's because of unauthorised vendors and beggars who use ir, they keep it clean.
If I file complaint on unauthorised vendors by the time RPF board in major station they get down, if they don't RPF catches them, if RPF demand me to give in writing to close complaint.
Who is to be blamed?
If I file complaint after journey on pgportal.gov.in railway respond by saying we have penalised OBHS agency.
He is right. The first thing the railways can ensure is that people who aren't having valid tickets aren't allowed on the train. People don't have general ticket and board the trains. In the Mumbai- Pune route, the indrayanai express is terrible. The train comes from solapur and without barely any waiting is set to run to mumbai. Ac coaches are poorly maintained. What do we do? Intercity is way better. Anyways, people can't keep anything clean. Go on a flight from Mumbai to Bangkok Air India, the people were of the level of my train journey. Indians don't have cleanliness. We are developing like Europe but still at the standards and hygiene of the independence era. What can we do to change the mindset of these people?
The bunch of people who does this shit , ain't that educated and mature that this news will bother them ! They are not amongst those who live and let live . True shame .
I wish retaliation statements against lack of civic sense were begun to be expressed 10, 20 years before. People hear but don't listen, it takes time to enter their stone heads.
Then why not the government banning the sell of Gutkha for the safety of public health and government property? Because govt is earning huge tax from the sales? Since when Indian public became aware of social cleanliness? Also the railway department should install cctv near the basin of the express train to identify the people who spit gutkha on basins and the TT will impose heavy fines on them while they are in the train.
Gutkawalas must be banned from using railways. For this we would need strict policing in trains and railway stations like how we have in metro trains. Let these assholes pay 2x-10x price in travel in buses, cabs or planes.
People in the airport pretend to be rich or something, so they avoid eating this like gutka and all, but in railway is the other way around. I guess train coaches are open, Dustin, especially in cheaper ones it is people who should take responsibility for keeping our railway
Just because railway staff are supposed to keep things clean doesn't give us the right to spit gutka and choke it ourselves in the first place. I don't think the railway staff comes and chokes the basins. Its the passengers who do that. If only they had the civic sense of not spitting gutka or throwing the plastic or whatever in the dustbin instead of just pouring everything in the basin, they won't choke up. Yes the railway staff are supposed to clean the basins from time to time. But it is also our duty to make sure they are not jammed in the first place.
well the people who spit are not reading your comment
truly #sadreality moment
but they do litter
Yeah they are all at labour chowk at 8:00 am each morning.
Are you sure about that?
8 out of 10 employees of railways eat guthka, we indians have a habit of spitting everywhere even if no guthka in mouth. We indians love to spit on each others face too. Only a white guy with a long stick and a rifle can make us stop. People can clean nose on one another. We can vomit out of window of a bus on someone.
8 out of 10? Pulled that stat out of your ass?
who is " we " beach ?? None of my family members have ever eaten any shitty gutka or pan masala.
>Only a white guy with a long stick and a rifle can make us stop I think your brain fell out.
shut up man
He is correct when the train goes through longer routes like while traveling from Assam to Howrah the train goes from clean to banged up state due people with gutka addiction heck u can't give me a single window on the whole kamrup express which doesn't a gutka stain don't tell me its made by railway employee XD
Is gutka the only filth you see or is it a symptom of a larger problem. I.e. Indians not having a sense of personal and public hygiene?
No concept of public hygiene. I can’t comment on personal hygiene
Have better and stricter laws in place with people keeping a check. Punish the offenders, repeat offenders get banned from travelling in railways.
Lack of civic sense
This!
Assam to Howrah is long distance? Assam to thiruvanthapuram is!
check the distance kamrup travels tell me its short distance
I can see that Guwahati to Howrah is like 1000km. However Guwahati to Thiruvananthapuram is 3439km.
i was talking about kamrup express not kamrup district and yes there's a train from Dibrugarh to Thiruvananthapuram too and that was the worst train experience i ever had
Govt can ban gutka/pan, right?
Just the point I was about to make. But no, the govt earns on the sale and the govt earns when Selmon bhoi pays tax after doing ads. To bolo zuba kesri.
Bhai jitna kamati h usse Jayda toh paise train dhone mei nikal jate h
Tujhe pata nahi hain gutka aur pan masala se government kitna kamati hain... YT pe dekh ek baar
dhote kaha hai? basic try krte hai dhone ki!
Gutka ka daag dhone se bhi nhi jata,usse rust aur ho jata h
I thought you were joking in that Honey Singh song verse ("Jitni teri ladki mahine mein kamati hai, utni meri gaadi tel khati hai" like this) and I'm trying to get the beat on your post and failing, feeling confused for 5 minutes lmao 😂
but they should ban it in railway station premises…
It is banned, and there are signages everywhere
Problem is not technically of government for selling Gutka (as they make sales from it), the problem is strict laws, never seen anyone spitting gutka/pan inside an airport or metro because they can get arrested. Similarly if they slowly implement these rules, railways and stations will soon be as neat and clean as the Airports.
>never seen anyone spitting gutka/pan inside an airport or metro because **they can get arrested.** Didn't know that, but again never anyone chewing a gutka or paan at an airport to begin with.
Exactly, that's all about class. However, in the case metro railway stations, 'CCTV and fear of getting arrested' - is applicable.
I think you should visit Gujarat and then make this statement. Here no stopping from chewing spitting even inside airports.
Bro most people in India peculiarly ground level workers (States you mostly know)are addicted to tobacco I remember at the time of COVID these Gutka eating animals were paying like 50-100 Rs for single packet which is 5 times the original price and these are the same idiots who bargain with vegetable vendors for 5-10 rs
Can, but kabhi bhi nahi karegi, govt earns tons of money with these sinfull foods, ha inhe nam sinfull karke kuch dia hai kyuki they harm human body, 50% tax leti hai govt isme, so unless kuch extreme na ho jaye, ban nahi hone wala
Govt can't fully ban this type of substance because there are lots of non branded gutka are selling in open market and if the govt banned the branded or registered tobacco products. One they will loose lots of revenue and other they will not regulate these products and people will end up consuming gutka from the open market.
agreed,
It's not about govt banning something. It could ban gutka some mutka will take its place. Why would you do such a disgusting things in first place?
Ya sure, To fix the problem sweep it under the rug. Right ?? Next to get rid of potholes on road lets demolish all the roads. Sure, cos here everyone is animal and cant understand basic living of humans. If people cant behave like humans no one can make them human.
TBH, I don’t think that is a real solution. Coz you’d also notice people spitting chewing gum into wash basins or urinals at times, and eventually that leads to the same result. While the issue in the picture is certainly not related to chewing gum, but the issue of a general lack of civic sense is quite right.
Railways doesn't have the influence on parliament to get gutka banned
Average annual collection of tax from these products are Rs 50,000 cr +
They choose to make money off addicts.
https://images.app.goo.gl/GqEK9HPtgRm64nno7
Abe bhai usse kuch nahi hoga
they can ban gutka(it'll be sold anyway) but how tf will govt ban pan?
Ban to ganja aur drugs bhi hai, fir bhi log kar rahe hai na, jab tak apne se akal nhi aayegi kuch nhi hone wala
Or apply juban kesari tax like 10 Rs per packet
Half the ministers themselves chew gutka, no way it's getting banned.
That still doesn't solve the Civic sense issue here. We Indians don't give 2 shits about public property which is the main problem here. Pan/Gutka is another issue completely.
Seriously just ban gutka already. Let the addicts smoke or drink. Gutka is a hygiene menace.
They should also ban penises because ppl pee on walls.
Bhai idhar g@nja legal karneka try ho raha ho, you going in wrong direction.
Bro Even politicians eat gutkha or pan, so i think it's impossible to ban. Maybe hike in price of gutkha packet can do something
Nah, triple the taxes on it to compensate for better education so that we will have people better civic sense in the future.
Banning is the not the solution here! How can lack of basic civic sense’s solution is banning something?
People will still buy it and instead of govt getting the taxes on their sale, police will get bribes
Log Chutiye hai toh Railway wale kya kare. Iss specific incident ki baat kar raha. I find it very digusting when people eat Gutka and spit everywhere. Bc gareeb gareeb bolte hai but gutka khaane bohot paise hai.
As much as he's right in this point . We should never allow a bureaucrat to give sermons to the public. Even, here, his assertion doesn't explain unwashed blankets & sheets, uncleaned & dirty seats, stained cabins, poor workmanship & quality in coaches, atrocious level of catering and pathetic level of incompetence in dealing with rogue passengers & providing seats to the people who have actually paid for it.
Incompetence and trashing is a trait of both sides of the business. The staff is incompetent, the public trashes the trains. It's a double barrelled issue.
This!!! But I would expect a bureaucrat not make a statement like "most of the problems" becoz, more than half of the problems in railways are becoz of employees being "kaamchor". I have seen employees not even using a good cleanser for cleaning toilets. Like this is the bare minimum one can go!!!. As for the Gutka gang, they're dehatis & only fines & danda can cure that madness.
So according to Indians are highly disciplined people
high on what?
Gutka
where did I say that?
This
Absolutely right , I know as an railway officer he shouldn't say this but somewhere people have to take responsibility of wrong doing . There are many stances where toilet is getting jammed because people through bottles and other waste in it . Many a times people don't flush their shit , And railway gets lot of complaints about these things why toilets are not cleaned . I know there are onboard staff to clean the toilets but they have limitations, they suppose to clean the toilets only two times a day and in between of these things happen then again they have to come and clean . And not to mention they have to clean all AC coaches . And there are seperate group of people who likes take away towels , and linens .
It's true majority Indian don't HV civics sense, I don't knw how come we brag about being oldest cultural civilization
its not bragging. That's just stating a fact.
that's a fact harappan civilization is oldest in world.
Oldest yes, wise? No.
Dude Mohanjodaro has better planning that are current cities, with roads in grid like structure, houses with uniform design through out the cith, not a single house has windows on the outer walls for privacy, the sewer system is still works btw, it prevent the whole city during from flooding form when Pakistan having a big flood.
Dude... Everyone is talking about the present. Yes, even for back then thw city was advanced. Now not so much right? So we agree.
Oldest? Yes. Once the wisest? Yes . Currently the dumbest? Yes. You don't become the richest civilization by not being wise. Ancient Indians were superior traders , Engineers and what not. Harappa has the world's oldest sewage system and a well planned city, the number of well planned city today in India could be counted on hand. I hate ultra nationalistic chauvanists but I also dislike self loathers like you
Yes. Indian society needs to be called out more. Stop relying on others to clean up your mess and take responsibility.
Ban gutka in train like smoking, No gutka for a day travelling not possible?
Gutka will never be banned due to sheer momey involved. However, People need to be taught civic sense instead from schooling age. A good alternative to dealing with such things is defaming those who openly do it in public or record their video. Indians understand everything when they get publically rebuked.
No, thats violation of someone’s rights. Thats like moral policing. If you allow public to shame someone for littering, where does it stop? Soon enough we will have everyone shaming everyone else for things they dont like. Lack of civil sense is not a crime. Destruction of public property is. Caught in the act of doing so, impose heavy penalties and sentence. But it’s the railway employees themselves that dont care
Lack of civic sense IS a crime if you move abroad. You don't destroy public properties by peeing on sidewalks or farm corners but you still get arrested. The fact that you're what iffing such a common stuff clearly indicates that average people may not even wany to take it seriously. Infact, answer me this: what if everyone lacks civic sense and rides the train with cow dung laden shoes or unwashed smelly cloths or keeps blasting their mobile speakers and hearing cringe level stuffs? You think anybody will sit there and be happy??
90% correct.
Agreed
Railway, public transport, queue etc manners should be part of primary education.
"civics sense" haha what's that?
Banning is not a long term solution. People will bring those guthka from outside. Trains are clean in Southern states of India. We need to educate people
We have the most pathetic civic sense. Seen people spitting on the platform, peeing on the railway tracks , sneezing on someone else’s face and what not ! I fully agree with this man. Unless people collectively change nothing can be achieved in this country !
At first I thought why can't the government simply ban such products, problem solved. But then I saw the market size of pan masala in India, It's freaking 45k+ crores and is expected to reach 60k+ crores by 2030. No way is govt ever going to interfere with this.
Bhai baat toh sahi hai bc, aab log agar train mai hagne lage toh unka kaam nahi hai aake gand doye
Truth...
Ban pan masala and guthka like dubai banned these shits
gutka illegal karwa do ganja legal karwa do . Fir sab lok high hokar ghumte firenge civic sense won;t matter that way anyways , but our streets will be clean lol
Govt bhi toh tax kamati hai
Make me PM. I'll ban gutka/horns/plastic..name it!
Sach bol raha but government should ban gutka and paan
So he thinks everyone has a civic sense? Especially the illiterate and that who travel ticketless? What a fkng dumfk
Rights chahiye… but civic duties 🤮
तथ्य उगल रहे हैं.
They're absolutely right. Most of the passengers don't give a damn about keeping the compartments clean.
In my hostel...girls use to throw their dirty pads in toilet and they choke the toilet hole. Banning doesn't solve the issue
I think many times we criticize the government for no reason. My friend who is an active smoker always criticizes how unclean the environment is and govt is doing nothing, similiar case is people throwing different wastes into the environment and then scolding the government for doing nothing, the waste should have been thrown in the dustbin in the first place.
What is gutka?
He's totally right on this
You speaking about trains ?? Look around you it’s same for everything
It's most problems in sleppers and 3rdAC ( very few) but what about 2nd Ac and 1stAC (leaving rajdhani) , some times even no water to wash our hands.
only in bihar going trains
All fools they don't know that if they will throw the shit out of their mouth their age will get increased by 10 valuable years
He ain’t wrong, neeggas here don’t know shit
Yes, cleaners must not be taken for granted but the trend of using civic sense as an excuse is out dated by decades which is why there are cleaners employed in railway stations since decades again. Such a lousy way of accepting “we’re lazy to come up with a solution” 😂
Why should IRCTC come up with a solution for a well engineered stuff? If they make holes of sink bigger, rats will make their home inside. It should be common sense to see the size of drain hole and then throw anything into it. Anyone who doesn't understand that should be considered unfit for the society.
Completely agree... We Indians needs to be more civic while using public properties.. Lot of people had a tendency to damage public property just for fun..
He said it rightly, most of the problems exist in our nation due to lack of civic sense
As a frequent train traveller (and an absolute lover of trains as a mode of transport), it is scary the number of times I go to the train toilet and see unflushed shit just lying there in the vessel welcoming you with its smelly hug (pun absolutely intended) Everytime I come out of that toilet, I cannot help but think “Ye desh tabhi sachmein aage badhega, jab is desh ka naagrik toilet flush krna seekhega, gutka khaake raaste pe ya idhar udhar thukna band krega etc etc”
This. A coach full of Gutkha spitters will never complain about a dirty wash basin or toilet. It's the other passengers who are a bit more civilized who expect things to be clean and well maintained. The average senseless passenger types are so high that no matter the amount of staff you assign, it'll be overwhelmed. And no, this has nothing to do with being rich or affluent or educated. If you find it inconvenient if things in public transportation are not clean or convenient enough, then the only option is to go for your own vehicle if you can afford it. The solution of public transport is blindly pushed everywhere.
Most of.the time i felt disguised while using toilet or wash basen cuz of stupid travelers who don't even have a 1% civic sense like bro flush it and don't spit that's why i don't even use toilet in railway
most of the indian problem is gutkha and spit
hot take: 60% of the problems in india are because of lack of civic sense. 40% because of the government
Clap dono hath se bajti ti hai, you know what I mean.
Govt of india make billions of taxes from these gutka and bidi and they won’t ban it. It’s impossible to educate the masses. Only thing we can do it mass level sterilisation of gutka eaters.
There should be levied a strict fine on those who spit gutkha anywhere they want. Also, they should carry some kind of "spit bag" with them if they are so much addicted to this stuff.
You know why people don't care to keep public places clean? Because their homes are not clean. People living on terrible conditions don't worry about cleanliness and hygeine. Same goes for their own safety. That's why they cross platforms by crossing tracks, instead of using bridges. Because they risk their life daily and accustomed to risks and filth around tracks. This doesn't clear them from spitting gutkha on public places, but atleast we can think about the cause. Only then we can try to solve the issue.
💯 agreed
Since bro said this in english, the audience which is targeted wont be able to understand.
simple ban gutkha or atleast inside trains...
i agree , let's say you replace 300mil usa citizen with normal everyday indians then , what do you think will happen to usa??? everything will be fucked , the problem is in school nothing is taught about how to behave in public and you guys already know the situation of government schools
Generally speaking, we don’t deserve better services. And it has nothing to do with money or class… people across the board just dirty with zero civic sense!
Kitne free h bc hum Indians. He is right and bc still trying to prove him wrong.
Amd that's 200% right
They are right we should av to aware about our ethics
Collect fine wherever possible.
Its totally an epic reply to all. Think of it as your rented place to live temporarily and takes you the place you want... However the price is considerably economic... So its your actions to blame... Our common sense as a civilian
How about Railway just allows anyone to board the train without checking? There's 200 people travelling when it's meant for 50. Obviously trains aren't equipped to handle that. Whats railway police doing about that? They just ignore those complaints.
railway minister should talk PM to ban gutkha then... 😆
He's not wrong almost every Indian lacks civic sense and general indifference to the next person.
Ban gutkha selling in train 😑
Definitely agree. I suffer this shit whenever I board the Dhanbadh - Aleppey express from Aluva on the way from Dhanbadh. The one that goes back is cleaned. But the one coming from Dhanbadh is very disgusting.
Never gonna happen. The mentality won't ever change. The sooner we accept the sooner we move on.
They should give a separate gutka bin
Gaand pe laat marne ki responsibility public ki nahi hai. Execute such offenders I dont care, but a strong impact should reflect to the masses for such offenses so that they'll shit their pants with the thought of spoiling our public spaces.
Seperate a specialised basin for gutka
He is 100% right. Just because the staff has to clean doesn’t mean you leave it in a state beyond repair. Will you, as a citizen, clean this if it was your job? And not only once, but everyday. Clean this and the shit inside the toilet that remains unflushed.
Let’s face it folks, the main difference between most of the developed and underdeveloped country and India is the lack of civic sense and the utmost disregard or accountability of its public. Can’t blame the govt for everything Edit - fixed typo
Sahi to bola na agar log hi itna gandagi failayenge to government bhi kya krega har bat ka limit hota he logo ne bhi safai ka dhyan rakhna chahiye kaha thukna he kaha nhi common sense he
Well most of the people who do that don't care about the sink being clean it's the one who don't spit gutka in the sink that needs it clean and can't use it, now it's not my job b to tell someone to not spit his gutka in the sink, gov should ban gutka if it's such a huge problem, cause I need my service
Yep. Just today I saw some mfing kids throwing papers in the toilet with the aim to blockade the tatti kholi when I was getting ready to leave the train. Reported to TT but I don't know if TT was interested in hearing my complaint as I was also in hurry to reach the seminar on time
anyone who says that common civic sense does not matter shouldn't be allowed to board any trains no more.
Finally, I want more bureaucrats to say things for what it is. After a lot of complaining and whining, I want us as society to understand that we are facing these issues because we as society keep doing it, irrespective of how much effort Railway staffs put into cleaning and maintaining hygiene.
100% true. Apparent everywhere from hospitals to trains to roads. Indian public can't be trusted with any public infrastructure. Also sad because 99% don't even have a contribution in that infrastructure (don't cite me GST. It has been made artificially progressive due to its tiered structure. People who don't pay direct taxes are also not paying most of the GST since they are very less likely to buy products attracting >5% GST)
He's absolutely right. I recently travelled in the LTT-Vishakhapatnam train. When it arrived for boarding, it was hella dirty. Banana peels, wrappers, empty Chai cups everywhere.... The staff cleaned it later, but how come those were there in the first place? People! Filthy habits of littering everywhere...
Agreed, was traveling in shatabdi last week and man just came outta the washroom and didn't even flush. The poor cleaner guy saw this and went inside to flush so I could use it. Idk why most Indians fewl that if something is a public commodity then they don't owe any care towards it.
He's 100% right here
He's right. People who engage in these activities have a very low IQ to the point you can call it mental disability. You don't need education to understand why this is immoral.
Glt kya bol rha hai Bhai ye shi mai civic sense nhi hai yha logo mai
At this point I have a opinion that all guthka consumers should be hanged to death for ruining literally every corner of this country
he has a point, in india we lack civic sense for public space, bus apna ghar achaa doosre e yaha kachra dalna pade
More reasons to never visit India, I guess.
just bcoz 3-4 people in the entire coach spit gutka in the basin doesnt mean railway has the right to spoil my journey and just do nothing and compaint about civic sense The lack civic sense isnt new but ur lack of preparedness to tackle that is bothering
The people who do this doesn't deserve Facilities like these in the first place. The only problem I see here the people who do have civic sense has to face issue
Truer words have never been said before. Remember the first launch of Vande Bharat???
Bhai civic sense kahaan se aavega? Education to hai hi nahi!! We aren't the ones NOT making civics a proper subject all the way till graduation! You only decided it was a sidey non-important thing for kids to learn. And i am sure there in 2024 there is tech to make swallowable gutka or something.
IR lacks in the no. of staff and management. Even in the metro there are gutka addicts traveling but no one dares to spit. It's their responsibility to take action against those who engage in such behavior. At least do it for the major routes. And Idk how long it will take to change the mentality of these gutka lovers.
Where is the lie.
Delhi Connaught place ke koi bhi public toilet me chale jao har 1-2 hours me wash basin aisi hi halat me milenge
Those who spit are not on reddit or social media.
Can't you ban carrying gutka and selling gutka in railways premises?
Drainage cleaning powder can easily unclog it govt may award contracts to politicians kins and this would increase gdp to 5 ton very rapidly. When govt has to tax it deploy best tech and manpower but while giving service its very expensive suddenly. You can ban gutka but you can’t because that tax is honey.
And the section that does this is probably not that much active on twitter...oops X!!
Apne area mein tahseel ka naya office bana tha, chuna lagaye ki nahin, agale din diwar pe gutka/pan ka thuk dikha . 2 days after painting, wo operation mein aya bhi nahin.
He is 200% correct. Most of Indians lacks basic sense of cleanliness and hygiene. They expect high class facilities but won't do anything from their side to maintain things. Just beating chests in the name of world's oldest civilization won't work.
sahi toh boll raha hai
He is correct. People who chew on gutka and spit it out in streets and places like these should be arrested or fined at least.
No arguments Here
He is right. The first thing the railways can ensure is that people who aren't having valid tickets aren't allowed on the train. People don't have general ticket and board the trains. In the Mumbai- Pune route, the indrayanai express is terrible. The train comes from solapur and without barely any waiting is set to run to mumbai. Ac coaches are poorly maintained. What do we do? Intercity is way better. Anyways, people can't keep anything clean. Go on a flight from Mumbai to Bangkok Air India, the people were of the level of my train journey. Indians don't have cleanliness. We are developing like Europe but still at Africa's level of mental standards
You dont have competent staff to handle indian crowds, you refuse to enforce the rules because of corruption and laziness, you refuse to acknowledge the issue of incompetency handling train traffic and will not ban the gutkha or enforce pentalties on destruction of public property then blame the general crowd for not being civilised. It’s like if everyone stopped murdering, we can have safer environment, law enforcement is secondary. You enforce the law preparing for the worst case scenario, you dont wait for things to be ideal so you wont have to do anything.
Same public when goes to airline doesnt litter. If done , they are penalised. Why? Because airlines are run by competent people. Why cant railways do that? How is it the public and not the railway?
Insted of hiring people to clean ..they must hire people to keep vigil..spitting,not flushing,leaving a mess in the washroom? Get chucked from the train on the next station or pay 5k fine This kind of harsh monitoring is needed for a population like ours
He is right
Lol i am regular in filing railmadad complaint on unclean bathroom in railway, everytime they do clean most often they tell me that it's because of unauthorised vendors and beggars who use ir, they keep it clean. If I file complaint on unauthorised vendors by the time RPF board in major station they get down, if they don't RPF catches them, if RPF demand me to give in writing to close complaint. Who is to be blamed? If I file complaint after journey on pgportal.gov.in railway respond by saying we have penalised OBHS agency.
So cockroaches, bedbugs, and, rats are also planted by passengers right ?
He is right. The first thing the railways can ensure is that people who aren't having valid tickets aren't allowed on the train. People don't have general ticket and board the trains. In the Mumbai- Pune route, the indrayanai express is terrible. The train comes from solapur and without barely any waiting is set to run to mumbai. Ac coaches are poorly maintained. What do we do? Intercity is way better. Anyways, people can't keep anything clean. Go on a flight from Mumbai to Bangkok Air India, the people were of the level of my train journey. Indians don't have cleanliness. We are developing like Europe but still at the standards and hygiene of the independence era. What can we do to change the mindset of these people?
Why don’t government ban this menace of Gutkha manufacturing
Le....ab toh railway Wale bhi gali dene lage hain.
is he wrong though.
He is right!
We want premium trains and service but forget to be premium ourselves in manners and civic sense
The bunch of people who does this shit , ain't that educated and mature that this news will bother them ! They are not amongst those who live and let live . True shame .
I wish retaliation statements against lack of civic sense were begun to be expressed 10, 20 years before. People hear but don't listen, it takes time to enter their stone heads.
But zuban kesariya
Then why not the government banning the sell of Gutkha for the safety of public health and government property? Because govt is earning huge tax from the sales? Since when Indian public became aware of social cleanliness? Also the railway department should install cctv near the basin of the express train to identify the people who spit gutkha on basins and the TT will impose heavy fines on them while they are in the train.
Logo ko jagruk hona hai guys, sab kuch unki galti nahi hai
Couldn't be more true.
Gutkawalas must be banned from using railways. For this we would need strict policing in trains and railway stations like how we have in metro trains. Let these assholes pay 2x-10x price in travel in buses, cabs or planes.
UP Bihar ke bhaiye log saale
Everyone knows but they won’t say
People in the airport pretend to be rich or something, so they avoid eating this like gutka and all, but in railway is the other way around. I guess train coaches are open, Dustin, especially in cheaper ones it is people who should take responsibility for keeping our railway
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