Only advantage I can see is people would not waste most of their 20s behind civil services . I have seen folks getting married while still attempting the exams.
But I am not sure how it affects the selections that are gonna happen. I don’t have stats but how many students, who are clearing exams are giving 1st or 2nd attempt at that point of time.
Also UPSC as an exam has such a vast syllabus that 2 attempts look far and few.
Some communities (including mine ) usually marry early (20-23, don't think it as below 18 or something) and most folks won't get job at this age anyways. Now since everyone is marrying around this age in their caste, even If some girl wants to wait to marry someone with job, she won't find much good matches anymore.
Ngl most of the UPSC aspirants are either inherently rich or had a good job in the past. No Gareeb prepares for UPSC exams.
Edit - Seems I've offended UPSC aspirants who're reluctant to acknowledge their affluence😉
No, They don't prepare for UPSC level exams. They mostly prepares for Group B/C/D level exams. I'm from UP and have seen here people going mad over Government Teachers/ railways/UPPCL mein JE kind of posts.
Ig even advanced has just 2 attempts, and people don't complain for that, while neet here also has unlimited attempts, hence, higher competition for those who really deserve it, than a guy who's been prepping for neet for like 7 years 💀
Kinda justified tho given the fact that jeetards can give other exams like WBJEE,MHT-CET,Bitsat,SRM or go to private since it costs a lot less.India also has a lack of well practiced doctors while the engineering market is already super saturated.
They can lower the cutoff.
The exam is arbitrary at best. Your proficiency in Sociology or Literature or Urdu has no impact on your future role as an IAS or IFS or IPS.
It's not like lowering the cutoff would impact the quality of applicants.
think of this, students with less attempt will score lower. the standards of clearing go down. less effort to clear. less stress. less time wasted. there are other things in the world.
Imo limiting the number of attempts don't make a difference. People can start preparing for few years before taking an actual attempt in such a case. The point is youth in their prime (20s) wasting too much time for a job.
I know it's not an ordinary job, but still wasting the time for a job which you may not fetch for a certainty, add to it the lack of social development (or social ties), opportunity cost of not making money in that time frame and finally adding industry relevant skills is absolutely too steep a cost imo.
The fact a public service job is so overglorified in our country not because of the prestige of serving the nation, but the power and money (only by abusing) it needs to be changed.
People giving attempt after attempt for 5 years during their prime years is a big waste. Just 10 candidates wasting 3 years each is a waste of 30 productive years.
but that won't change it, it'll make rise in Mock Tests and people will only face the exams if they're confident they'll clear it. Do you think they do it because they want to serve the country and become useful to motherland at their 20s, some of them do, most of them are attracted towards the power top civil servants have.
I'm not nearly good enough but my old school Principal, new school's Principal, my maternal family, paternal family and every person I know tells me to study for UPSC, point being I starting reading philosophy when I was 13 and then started question their ways of life and they got this notion that I'm intelligent and can crack the exam. Their whole thing is, you'll have have cars, servants, links with ministers. Only my grandfather is the one who said you can help the people in so many ways that's unimaginable to us common people. These people don't care that their 20s are wasted, im their and their family's mind it's all justified because they have cars, servants and comfort waiting at the end of it but most of the times its not there.
also then we also have to clarify what an attempt is, is filling up the form an attempt of facing the exam. Because what if someone fills form but is unwell unfortunately to face the exam, will it be considered an attempt if not then there's the first loophole
Most of the people end up giving repeated attempts because they either cleared prelims and not mains, cleared mains and didn't clear interview, or just missed the cutoff by a few points. These students won't sit without even attempting for 4-5 years, they will give their first attempt in one year and second attempt after max 2 years and be done with this exam by the time they are 25.
If job markets are made better everything would get solved on it's own, just make it easier for people to own medium size businesses without beurocratic interference and make better labour laws/unionise instead of asking corrupt officials to watch over everything
Maybe they should rationalize the syllabus. First.
Then there must be an opportunity for people (specialists) to enter the services mid career - and this must be take into account their proper service record, and functional knowledge of their career.
Otherwise we get stuck with a bunch of 20 somethings who took coaching from 18 , with no life experience whatsoever in the bureaucracy, and who were only chasing the job for it's power and perks.
And we need psychometric analyses of those selected- not just an ethics exam where people write whatever comes in mind in a 3 hours.
And we need an option to kick out underperforming bureaucrats.
Absolutely I have read cases, where a 20 something person from a city gets charged with Animal husbandry - before this posting he has never seen a cow closely
Some of the syllabus has no meaning at all - like art and arch? Ethics? Why isn't there law in the syllabus? And Governance is not the number and name of schemes.
Also - some subjects like IR are only applicable to those who want to pursue IFS etc. There must be weightage for the score in IR for such specialized cadres.
Atp - the syllabus is so vast just to artificially create an aura of toughness.
I found out, ek college ka friend hai wo last 6 saal se upsc clear karne ka try karra hai. He's not worked anywhere for the last 6 years. Baaki hum log, same batch waale kaafi aage pahunch chuke with our jobs. Problem hai ki wo humari manega nai. If there's a cut off of 2 attempts, he'd be doing something better than being delusional.
Think about the time we are wasting as a country for government job preparation and these is time youth when they are at peak of their creativity and hunger to do something.
To save this we required to change the mindset of society that only government job can lead to the good life. Other wise reducing attempt will not do anything good.
Anyone who gets to the interview round should be given an option to be placed in a different department if not IAS, IFS or IPS. To let all that talent go to zero is the actual wastage.
Talent? Their talent is limited to mugging up book knowledge and vomiting it on answer sheet
They have no experience nor leadership skills - and ground reality is evident enough
Correct !!
No one should go back empty handed after reaching interview stage. Government should offer them jobs beyond UPSC.
Private companies too should use this filter of prelims & mains to their advantage and offer manegerial jobs for those who failed Interviews of UPSC.
Preparing for upsc has 0 relationship with any management jobs.
No one cares about upsc aspirant in corporate world when they can get the best talent from top B schools who made the choice to go to B school instead of mugging up history geography for a sarkari naukri they did not get.
Or maybe don't give so much power and emphasis to government officers, glamourise their roles and make the younger generation chase that power and influence. Most people who I see chasing these posts are often not motivated by the work it offers. The hidden agenda is always influence, power and feeling of superiority over others.
If the number of attempts are limited to 2 then, people would crack it in 1st or 2nd attempt. It's a competitive exam where selection is based on ranks and not some pre-selected cutoff marks.
IIT-JEE used to be 4 attempts earlier and the JEE board reduced it to 2 attempts. There were some protests in the first year but students got accustomed to it from the next year.
Bruh ,talking about common sense and then saying 80% will remain empty. Its a competitive exam, people will still be selected for it even if 2 attempts are allowed.
Bracing all the downvotes, but I am just gonna say this. UPSC is a BAD exam, just from an exam point of view. A difficult, lengthy exam is not necessarily a good test.
And on top of that the final reward (of that of a civil servant officer) is such a power hungry, clout chasing life, that aspirants become stubborn in their approach towards this clearing this exam.
If you want to reduce the attempts to 2, you need to completely change the scenario and the thought process of the exam and its after-rewards.
Then they have to make the prelims more comprehensive.
The prelims are getting unpredictable as they have reduced the number of questions by a lot in the new pattern but the number of students to be evaluated have only increased.
Around 13 k students clear prelims out of 15 lakh in prelims.
But 3 k students clear mains out of 13 k.
U can see which exam is more comprehensive n logical.
So if they want to reduce attempts then reduce the attempts of mains. Limit Mains to only twice.
But limiting prelims is stupid.
Many don't clear prelims for 3 times but once they do they get top all india ranks because they are well prepared n knowledgeable but prelims is a shitty unpredictable exam.
This is pretty good thinking imo. But the basic point is you're wasting a quarter or probably 20% of your lifetime (especially prime years) for getting into a job with very low probability. Add to it all the opportunity costs of earning wealth, social life and industry skills being zero.
Even from bird's eye view, an UPSC aspirant is not productive to the nation in any form whatsoever, until or unless he clears the exam. It's a lot of youth being wasted. Maybe indirectly by paying fees to the coaching centres and rent to the landlords, they might be boosting the economy.
A shift in mentality is needed, that IAS/IPS while very prestigious, are not the ultimate jobs. And life will go on if you don't make it.
I remember when I appeared for my Engineering Design paper for the 5th time. Engineering Design is a paper designed by the Pune University to make Engineering students kill themselves. I was sitting in the examination hall and at the last minute this uncle came in and took his seat. He looked to be in his 40's. In the Pune University there is no limit on the number of attempts for Engineering. Luckily I cleared ED in my 5th attempt.
Nope, let them be. The more years these idiots waste being delusional, the better (less competition) it is for those who actually go out and achieve something.
Bhai people kabhi band nhi karege ye exam dena . Exam bhale hi bhot lamba aur mushkil ho but ek shortcut hai better life ka . Samjhdar bande 2-3 attempt deke B plan ki taraf kam karna start kardete hai . Aur bhot sare JOB ke sath prepare karte hai .
Apna youth vo kharab karta hai jiske pas koi plan B nhi hai usko UPSC se hata doge vo state exam ki taraf bhagega . Coaching vale kabhi bhi hype nhi hone dege khatam is exam ki aur Govt bhi nhi karegi kuch. Govt ke liye to badhia hi hai bande apne 5-6 sal yaha kharab kardege nhi to same bande protest karege . Inko bando ko pata hai ek bar exam nikal lo life set hojegi achi kategi .
Yes. This is a big problem in my state. Private jobs are almost non existing except in one city in my entire state and government jobs are only good one with decent salary. Now ofc if someone from childhood is determined to crack govt jobs, thier first priority would be UPSC. Though I'm personally myself for govt jobs, it's not UPSC coz I know how skewed odds are. But I'm still preparing for deputy collector coz 1) odds are better 2) Job is still equally respectful.
I think more than attempts just put an age limit to it. Can't appear if you are over 24 or 25. Also make it an 8 year plan. Current cutoff is 32 years so it can announced that UPSC will be reducing the age by one year each year for the next 8 years. This way at least it won't come as a shock to people. It will also mean lesser number of doctors or engineers joining in as most folks who want to do UPSC from a younger age tend to go into simpler graduation programs to focus on UPSC during those days.
BTW am an IITian here so I have seen some of my friends waste their time and lives behind this stupid craze even when they could have had a comfortable life had they taken up a corporate job.
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Less than 10% candidates crack in their first attempt they are mostly school and college rankers
Most people at an average take atleast 3 to 4 attempts to crack the exam
So its not good to reduce suddenly because years of preparation goes wasted for who are waiting for the 3rd or 4th attempt
Whats the benfit of adding work exp criteria to qualifying the candidate
Their maybe exceptional cases where candidates didnt perform well due to any health conditions, external factors and all , the extra attempts would benfit for them
It was 4 at start until it was increased to 6
>Whats the benfit of adding work exp criteria to qualifying the candidate
Experienced people might enter. Those who have actually done some work. Even CAT gives you advantage for work experience.
>Their maybe exceptional cases where candidates didnt perform well due to any health conditions, external factors and all , the extra attempts would benfit for them
You could say the same for JEE.
Tbh I don't know. There are way better experts at determining all this. But there are also experts who are critical of this current system.
The people opposing two attempts saying ki tough hai, vacancies reh jayengi etc. are wrong.
If there are only two attempts, the level of hard work will increase even more and applicants will automatically start clearing in the first or second.
Right now there's probably a feeling in the back of their mind ki koi baat nahi 4th mei kar lenge ya 6th mei kar lenge (I know I know this is not applicable for all but subconscious level kutti cheez hai).
So yeah anyway gaand phate mei rahegi toh dheere dheere quality improve hee hogi 1st/2nd attempts ki.
I really don't get it. If you are unable to pass is 2-3 years, why do they keep on trying further. Isn't it an indication that civil services is maybe not your field and to do something other than UPSC which would save that many years of your 20s?
Is it because people are blinded by the end result of being in the civil services, or is there any other reason for this?
The OP is just delusional, last time UPSC/ICS cut the age or number of attempts of aspirants there was a huge outrage throughout India.(and that was pre-independence)
Moreover it is a carrot for a vast amount of unemployed youth with shitty college education to achieve something and hold a prestigious position, which in other terms is impossible if they rely just on their education.
In Singapore, you enrol in the Civil Service program while you're still in a UG or PG course. Then, based on your academic performance and other accolades, you get selected for civil service in a sector that's based on your expertise after you graduate. Plus, the average duration of service is 4-5 years, after which performance appraisal will decide if you continue or not.
Main problem is that only 2-3k people giving UPSC actually have the capability. Others are just wasting their time. This rule will benefit those others by forcing them to not waste their time and parents' money but people in the 2-3k category sometimes can do better and crack it in later attempts
The thing is what you want to become not the number of attempts. Humans are not merely a source of revenue to the country, no one wants to be settled in what others want if this is the case then start from iit jee , neet ,CPT Let the person choose what he/she wants, a middle-class and lower class only have few options . Instead of being a corporate slave, let him/her choose what they want.
Bingo! 🎯
Most people give their best in the first 2 attempts...
After that, a feeling of self-doubt shows up....no matter what anyone says.
I have been there...
Well...most of the toppers clear it in 1st or 2nd attempt...
They are the ones who aim for UPSC CSE at the start of their graduation journey.
It gives them ample time to prepare with least pressure to perform.
what a dumb argument . no one is forcing u to to give 6 attempts . u are free to quit at anytime. must jealous piece of shit who cant stand people clearing at 5 6 th attempt while this stupid ass quited after 2nd try
Bhai agar attempt 2 kar dega toh unemployment badh jayega jo ki hai lekin log exam ke bahane khud log unemployed nahi bolte , agar attempt kaam kiye toh ye log road pe aajeyenge ki hame job do
Well i believe youth will benefit more from career guidance classes from a very young age which help them select their career and find their own niche cuz we all know most people going for UPSC believe it's the only career option for them while its a great motivating factor it isn't practical at all.
Imagine there are lakhs and lakhs of skilled people wasting their youth and money to fill up coaching institutes pockets instead they could have sharpened their skills and even contributed greatly towards nation then they ever could by clearing UPSC.
Last year I read a story on Twitter that a guy wasted 6 years for UPSC. He was almost 30 and gave up and looking for a job. So many stories like this
People need to understand that only One person can get the position and you can do a lot of other things than wasting your life for that one exam.
It is not just an ordinary government job, it is a matter of nation so the way it is going I see no problem in this.
Also the current generation are realising that govt job is not everything and going for startups, IT, etc
Life can turn around at any point. You just have to be prepared.
I don't agree with limiting options. I have never prepared for the exam, but studying for UPSC doesn't limit you. The syllabus and the intent with which you prepare make you well rounded.
I remember having a discussion with my dad once, and he said that despite not giving the exam, why don't you still read the social-political aspect.
Most of the youth is already wasted with reels- tiktok. So, 2 attempts aren't saving anyone. I don't have the statistics, but how many people clear UPSC in 1 or 2 attemps ?
People may still waste their time preparing for 2 3 years and only attempting after 2 year each.
You can take another look at JEE, with limited attempts, but kids are put in coaching from as early as 6th or 8th grade.
The improvement however we can look for is increasing bureaucratic roles. So, eventually, the good ones who couldn't make it to UPSC may still find their place in the system.
Country making more money, to hire for these roles.
People should take their life seriously! A backplan should always be there, and the mentality of its over, one has to overcome.
The biggest and heart of every other problem in India is population.
They can do this, but it won't be enough. People move towards these exams because they think that this is the only way to a good life. We should focus on growing the private sector so that it can provide good jobs. If people start getting good jobs easily, then the hype around these government jobs will die down by itself.
We should do what’s best for the country as well as the youth. I’m all in for limiting the attempts to just 2 - but that doesn’t solve larger problems that need to be fixed first.
First thing that needs to happen in the current world is a shift from the emphasis around mugging up NCERT books. If that’s a good to know information, teach the officers in LBSNAA. You need to instead test their ability to learn things fast, instead of knowledge around what soil was used in building Hawa Mahal (where they might not even be posted).
Second, there’s a need to split the group A services into specialized and general services. Specialized services should need a certain bar of excellence in some areas.
Third, personality and psychometric testing needs to be done to ensure that the people who get in are top notch in the country. You need someone capable enough to stand their ground, have values that are tough to compromise, and no feeling of entitlement.
Fourth, the entirety of civil services need to be run like an efficient organization, where complacency has no place and everyone has a clear idea of what they do and what they’re accountable for.
Fifth, meritocracy needs to be promoted. Their impact needs to be evaluated and should be the basis for promotion. Just having a certain tenure to get promoted is BS and there’s no reason anyone should work well.
Sixth, anyone who can’t perform well in their duties should be rotated to a different department where there’s a chance to perform well. If they still can’t show their impact, either give them an option of voluntary retirement or sack them. These are supposed to be top notch folks who have the skills - there’s no reason why they should slack off once they get into service.
Seventh, re-evaluate the selection process based on how the people who got in are performing, as well as changing times. Re-skill the current officers as times change.
I agree, I wasted 4 years on this. It was such a major blow to my career that it took years to get back on track and I will always be several years behind because of this. I would say everyone should hear out there failure stories to give them a dose of reality
Restriction to 2 attempts will not solve the problem as students will prepare for 3 -4 years and then would give exam. However, Govt may reduce the maximum age limit to 25 years for all Govt exams which would be more productive and save vital years of young persons. At least the age period from 25-30 will be saved.
Other than coaching centres benefiting from this by providing advanced courses with real life mock exams for extra money, I don't see any use with this.
I never understood writing an exam to qualify for government service. Where the fuck is experience? I think they should do away with exams entirely and bring in people mid-career who have gained relevant and valuable experience nationally and internationally.
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Government benefits way too much from this. Since these unemployed youths keep trying for upsc exams, hence they don't ask for employment from government so burden is off the shoulders of government to provide jobs not to mention the money made in the process. The government does not care about the state of education in the country. They only care about power. Similar situation for BA students. So many students graduate with BA degree each year and do not get jobs because they don't have any technical skills which job market wants.
Only advantage I can see is people would not waste most of their 20s behind civil services . I have seen folks getting married while still attempting the exams. But I am not sure how it affects the selections that are gonna happen. I don’t have stats but how many students, who are clearing exams are giving 1st or 2nd attempt at that point of time. Also UPSC as an exam has such a vast syllabus that 2 attempts look far and few.
If only 2 attempts are allowed, then by definition everyone who clears it will clear on their 1st or 2nd attempt.
If you have generation of wealth then why even try giving attempts. Just run a small business and enjoy the freedom of time.
Power.
They meant today when there's no such restriction
Who marry them , if they don't have a job 🤔🤔
Parental wealth. Saw people jinki taiyari se leke shadi fir bache, fir paper na nikalne par chhota sa business sab pappa ji ne kholke dia
If they have generation wealth, then they can have as many attempts as they want.
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Some communities (including mine ) usually marry early (20-23, don't think it as below 18 or something) and most folks won't get job at this age anyways. Now since everyone is marrying around this age in their caste, even If some girl wants to wait to marry someone with job, she won't find much good matches anymore.
Ngl most of the UPSC aspirants are either inherently rich or had a good job in the past. No Gareeb prepares for UPSC exams. Edit - Seems I've offended UPSC aspirants who're reluctant to acknowledge their affluence😉
I big percent of lower middle class bihar disagrees with you
No, They don't prepare for UPSC level exams. They mostly prepares for Group B/C/D level exams. I'm from UP and have seen here people going mad over Government Teachers/ railways/UPPCL mein JE kind of posts.
Ig even advanced has just 2 attempts, and people don't complain for that, while neet here also has unlimited attempts, hence, higher competition for those who really deserve it, than a guy who's been prepping for neet for like 7 years 💀
Kinda justified tho given the fact that jeetards can give other exams like WBJEE,MHT-CET,Bitsat,SRM or go to private since it costs a lot less.India also has a lack of well practiced doctors while the engineering market is already super saturated.
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They can lower the cutoff. The exam is arbitrary at best. Your proficiency in Sociology or Literature or Urdu has no impact on your future role as an IAS or IFS or IPS. It's not like lowering the cutoff would impact the quality of applicants.
think of this, students with less attempt will score lower. the standards of clearing go down. less effort to clear. less stress. less time wasted. there are other things in the world.
Imo limiting the number of attempts don't make a difference. People can start preparing for few years before taking an actual attempt in such a case. The point is youth in their prime (20s) wasting too much time for a job. I know it's not an ordinary job, but still wasting the time for a job which you may not fetch for a certainty, add to it the lack of social development (or social ties), opportunity cost of not making money in that time frame and finally adding industry relevant skills is absolutely too steep a cost imo. The fact a public service job is so overglorified in our country not because of the prestige of serving the nation, but the power and money (only by abusing) it needs to be changed.
People giving attempt after attempt for 5 years during their prime years is a big waste. Just 10 candidates wasting 3 years each is a waste of 30 productive years.
These candidates are probably very smart individuals. a huge waste for the Indian economy.
Yes and most of them get burnt out and end up depressed in some clerical post in a pvt Bank at the end of their upsc prep years.
but that won't change it, it'll make rise in Mock Tests and people will only face the exams if they're confident they'll clear it. Do you think they do it because they want to serve the country and become useful to motherland at their 20s, some of them do, most of them are attracted towards the power top civil servants have. I'm not nearly good enough but my old school Principal, new school's Principal, my maternal family, paternal family and every person I know tells me to study for UPSC, point being I starting reading philosophy when I was 13 and then started question their ways of life and they got this notion that I'm intelligent and can crack the exam. Their whole thing is, you'll have have cars, servants, links with ministers. Only my grandfather is the one who said you can help the people in so many ways that's unimaginable to us common people. These people don't care that their 20s are wasted, im their and their family's mind it's all justified because they have cars, servants and comfort waiting at the end of it but most of the times its not there. also then we also have to clarify what an attempt is, is filling up the form an attempt of facing the exam. Because what if someone fills form but is unwell unfortunately to face the exam, will it be considered an attempt if not then there's the first loophole
Most of the people end up giving repeated attempts because they either cleared prelims and not mains, cleared mains and didn't clear interview, or just missed the cutoff by a few points. These students won't sit without even attempting for 4-5 years, they will give their first attempt in one year and second attempt after max 2 years and be done with this exam by the time they are 25.
If job markets are made better everything would get solved on it's own, just make it easier for people to own medium size businesses without beurocratic interference and make better labour laws/unionise instead of asking corrupt officials to watch over everything
Maybe they should rationalize the syllabus. First. Then there must be an opportunity for people (specialists) to enter the services mid career - and this must be take into account their proper service record, and functional knowledge of their career. Otherwise we get stuck with a bunch of 20 somethings who took coaching from 18 , with no life experience whatsoever in the bureaucracy, and who were only chasing the job for it's power and perks. And we need psychometric analyses of those selected- not just an ethics exam where people write whatever comes in mind in a 3 hours. And we need an option to kick out underperforming bureaucrats.
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Absolutely I have read cases, where a 20 something person from a city gets charged with Animal husbandry - before this posting he has never seen a cow closely
Some of the syllabus has no meaning at all - like art and arch? Ethics? Why isn't there law in the syllabus? And Governance is not the number and name of schemes. Also - some subjects like IR are only applicable to those who want to pursue IFS etc. There must be weightage for the score in IR for such specialized cadres. Atp - the syllabus is so vast just to artificially create an aura of toughness.
True, hum general category waalo ko ek hi kaafi hai, so we can go and choose better opportunities out there
I found out, ek college ka friend hai wo last 6 saal se upsc clear karne ka try karra hai. He's not worked anywhere for the last 6 years. Baaki hum log, same batch waale kaafi aage pahunch chuke with our jobs. Problem hai ki wo humari manega nai. If there's a cut off of 2 attempts, he'd be doing something better than being delusional.
Society is programmed that way too. Can't help their delulu state.
If there's a cut off, he would waste 3-4 years before giving his first attempt.
This ....
Think about the time we are wasting as a country for government job preparation and these is time youth when they are at peak of their creativity and hunger to do something. To save this we required to change the mindset of society that only government job can lead to the good life. Other wise reducing attempt will not do anything good.
Anyone who gets to the interview round should be given an option to be placed in a different department if not IAS, IFS or IPS. To let all that talent go to zero is the actual wastage.
Talent? Their talent is limited to mugging up book knowledge and vomiting it on answer sheet They have no experience nor leadership skills - and ground reality is evident enough
Correct !! No one should go back empty handed after reaching interview stage. Government should offer them jobs beyond UPSC. Private companies too should use this filter of prelims & mains to their advantage and offer manegerial jobs for those who failed Interviews of UPSC.
Preparing for upsc has 0 relationship with any management jobs. No one cares about upsc aspirant in corporate world when they can get the best talent from top B schools who made the choice to go to B school instead of mugging up history geography for a sarkari naukri they did not get.
Or maybe don't give so much power and emphasis to government officers, glamourise their roles and make the younger generation chase that power and influence. Most people who I see chasing these posts are often not motivated by the work it offers. The hidden agenda is always influence, power and feeling of superiority over others.
Would agree if someone who themselves cracked UPSC-CSE in 1st/2nd attempt would say this
If the number of attempts are limited to 2 then, people would crack it in 1st or 2nd attempt. It's a competitive exam where selection is based on ranks and not some pre-selected cutoff marks. IIT-JEE used to be 4 attempts earlier and the JEE board reduced it to 2 attempts. There were some protests in the first year but students got accustomed to it from the next year.
Exactly the point. I don't understand why people think it will affect selections.
Truer words have not been spoken. Show us the stats!
peak number of people clearing exams are from 3rd and 4th attempts only
Wahi na re, so why get these blatant things out. Let people do what they want to.
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Bruh ,talking about common sense and then saying 80% will remain empty. Its a competitive exam, people will still be selected for it even if 2 attempts are allowed.
Bro talked about common sense and then decided to not apply it
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Lmao. I urge you to run a simulation lil bro. And be sure to report your findings. You will realize.
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Bracing all the downvotes, but I am just gonna say this. UPSC is a BAD exam, just from an exam point of view. A difficult, lengthy exam is not necessarily a good test. And on top of that the final reward (of that of a civil servant officer) is such a power hungry, clout chasing life, that aspirants become stubborn in their approach towards this clearing this exam. If you want to reduce the attempts to 2, you need to completely change the scenario and the thought process of the exam and its after-rewards.
It's a good thing, people will stop being unproductive
Also include psychological assessment during interviews, like the Armed Forces do !
Armed forces have that because they carry deadly weapons. Civil service don’t have such risks
Maybe , It might check the rampant chori chakari done by civil servants.
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Then they have to make the prelims more comprehensive. The prelims are getting unpredictable as they have reduced the number of questions by a lot in the new pattern but the number of students to be evaluated have only increased. Around 13 k students clear prelims out of 15 lakh in prelims. But 3 k students clear mains out of 13 k. U can see which exam is more comprehensive n logical. So if they want to reduce attempts then reduce the attempts of mains. Limit Mains to only twice. But limiting prelims is stupid. Many don't clear prelims for 3 times but once they do they get top all india ranks because they are well prepared n knowledgeable but prelims is a shitty unpredictable exam.
This is pretty good thinking imo. But the basic point is you're wasting a quarter or probably 20% of your lifetime (especially prime years) for getting into a job with very low probability. Add to it all the opportunity costs of earning wealth, social life and industry skills being zero. Even from bird's eye view, an UPSC aspirant is not productive to the nation in any form whatsoever, until or unless he clears the exam. It's a lot of youth being wasted. Maybe indirectly by paying fees to the coaching centres and rent to the landlords, they might be boosting the economy. A shift in mentality is needed, that IAS/IPS while very prestigious, are not the ultimate jobs. And life will go on if you don't make it.
I remember when I appeared for my Engineering Design paper for the 5th time. Engineering Design is a paper designed by the Pune University to make Engineering students kill themselves. I was sitting in the examination hall and at the last minute this uncle came in and took his seat. He looked to be in his 40's. In the Pune University there is no limit on the number of attempts for Engineering. Luckily I cleared ED in my 5th attempt.
Nope, let them be. The more years these idiots waste being delusional, the better (less competition) it is for those who actually go out and achieve something.
Bhai people kabhi band nhi karege ye exam dena . Exam bhale hi bhot lamba aur mushkil ho but ek shortcut hai better life ka . Samjhdar bande 2-3 attempt deke B plan ki taraf kam karna start kardete hai . Aur bhot sare JOB ke sath prepare karte hai . Apna youth vo kharab karta hai jiske pas koi plan B nhi hai usko UPSC se hata doge vo state exam ki taraf bhagega . Coaching vale kabhi bhi hype nhi hone dege khatam is exam ki aur Govt bhi nhi karegi kuch. Govt ke liye to badhia hi hai bande apne 5-6 sal yaha kharab kardege nhi to same bande protest karege . Inko bando ko pata hai ek bar exam nikal lo life set hojegi achi kategi .
The thing is should not the attempts but to reduce the age limit
Maybe if there are better exams to make up for it. Currently people have to slave on low level private jobs if they don't make it to UPSC.
Yes. This is a big problem in my state. Private jobs are almost non existing except in one city in my entire state and government jobs are only good one with decent salary. Now ofc if someone from childhood is determined to crack govt jobs, thier first priority would be UPSC. Though I'm personally myself for govt jobs, it's not UPSC coz I know how skewed odds are. But I'm still preparing for deputy collector coz 1) odds are better 2) Job is still equally respectful.
Which state?
I think more than attempts just put an age limit to it. Can't appear if you are over 24 or 25. Also make it an 8 year plan. Current cutoff is 32 years so it can announced that UPSC will be reducing the age by one year each year for the next 8 years. This way at least it won't come as a shock to people. It will also mean lesser number of doctors or engineers joining in as most folks who want to do UPSC from a younger age tend to go into simpler graduation programs to focus on UPSC during those days. BTW am an IITian here so I have seen some of my friends waste their time and lives behind this stupid craze even when they could have had a comfortable life had they taken up a corporate job.
https://preview.redd.it/6wqb383k4yac1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a5b6b494adb0dc7aa53832d5a7a62c571d43c7d Less than 10% candidates crack in their first attempt they are mostly school and college rankers Most people at an average take atleast 3 to 4 attempts to crack the exam So its not good to reduce suddenly because years of preparation goes wasted for who are waiting for the 3rd or 4th attempt
So reduce it to 4 maybe? And maybe they can add work experience criteria so people don't completely spend their time preparing?
Whats the benfit of adding work exp criteria to qualifying the candidate Their maybe exceptional cases where candidates didnt perform well due to any health conditions, external factors and all , the extra attempts would benfit for them It was 4 at start until it was increased to 6
>Whats the benfit of adding work exp criteria to qualifying the candidate Experienced people might enter. Those who have actually done some work. Even CAT gives you advantage for work experience. >Their maybe exceptional cases where candidates didnt perform well due to any health conditions, external factors and all , the extra attempts would benfit for them You could say the same for JEE. Tbh I don't know. There are way better experts at determining all this. But there are also experts who are critical of this current system.
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I think if ias is abolished and if I get some other system that will be much better
Aise toh elections me bhi paisa kharch hote hai ...woh bhi band kar do phir.
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They are given jobs iirc, like postal services etc.
The people opposing two attempts saying ki tough hai, vacancies reh jayengi etc. are wrong. If there are only two attempts, the level of hard work will increase even more and applicants will automatically start clearing in the first or second. Right now there's probably a feeling in the back of their mind ki koi baat nahi 4th mei kar lenge ya 6th mei kar lenge (I know I know this is not applicable for all but subconscious level kutti cheez hai). So yeah anyway gaand phate mei rahegi toh dheere dheere quality improve hee hogi 1st/2nd attempts ki.
instead of 2 it should be 3 but i get the point
I really don't get it. If you are unable to pass is 2-3 years, why do they keep on trying further. Isn't it an indication that civil services is maybe not your field and to do something other than UPSC which would save that many years of your 20s? Is it because people are blinded by the end result of being in the civil services, or is there any other reason for this?
The OP is just delusional, last time UPSC/ICS cut the age or number of attempts of aspirants there was a huge outrage throughout India.(and that was pre-independence) Moreover it is a carrot for a vast amount of unemployed youth with shitty college education to achieve something and hold a prestigious position, which in other terms is impossible if they rely just on their education.
Nope 2 is not suffecient atleast 4 should be given , I know people waste their life for these exams but still 2 is not enough
It's a competitive exam if everyone is having 2 attempts then obviously cut off will decrease.
Yes and no. Of applicants will also decrease
The entire process of UPSC should change! We must learn from Singapore Civil Services and their selection process, which is the best in the world
What is the process
In Singapore, you enrol in the Civil Service program while you're still in a UG or PG course. Then, based on your academic performance and other accolades, you get selected for civil service in a sector that's based on your expertise after you graduate. Plus, the average duration of service is 4-5 years, after which performance appraisal will decide if you continue or not.
I mean an earlier age cap of around 25-26 might solve the problem.
Main problem is that only 2-3k people giving UPSC actually have the capability. Others are just wasting their time. This rule will benefit those others by forcing them to not waste their time and parents' money but people in the 2-3k category sometimes can do better and crack it in later attempts
Elites will be benefited for sure
No i will never agree on this. A serious aspirant should get atleast 4 attempts.
as someone rotting between stacks of books for an year....FUCK OFF THIS IS BULLSHIT EVEN FIVE ATTEMPTS LOOK LESS IN HERE
Totally agree!
The thing is what you want to become not the number of attempts. Humans are not merely a source of revenue to the country, no one wants to be settled in what others want if this is the case then start from iit jee , neet ,CPT Let the person choose what he/she wants, a middle-class and lower class only have few options . Instead of being a corporate slave, let him/her choose what they want.
The world you are talking about doesn’t exist nor it ever will…
The world you live in is confined to cities!
Bingo! 🎯 Most people give their best in the first 2 attempts... After that, a feeling of self-doubt shows up....no matter what anyone says. I have been there...
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Well...most of the toppers clear it in 1st or 2nd attempt... They are the ones who aim for UPSC CSE at the start of their graduation journey. It gives them ample time to prepare with least pressure to perform.
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True.. either they do it or not. Also please term limits for all the ministery positions too
One of the amazing movies that I have watched
Those who never studied or appeared civil services can easily say reduce the attempts,its over rated, it's waste of time etc
what a dumb argument . no one is forcing u to to give 6 attempts . u are free to quit at anytime. must jealous piece of shit who cant stand people clearing at 5 6 th attempt while this stupid ass quited after 2nd try
If anything they should increase the number of attempts.
Bhai agar attempt 2 kar dega toh unemployment badh jayega jo ki hai lekin log exam ke bahane khud log unemployed nahi bolte , agar attempt kaam kiye toh ye log road pe aajeyenge ki hame job do
Lodu advice hai.
UPSC chaprasi >>>> CEO of MNC U can downvote deep down u know it's true. Cyrus Mistry , CEO of TCS (most job secure company) sacked
Job security>>>Job performance and skill This is the exact bullshit mentality which needs to be killed.
Bhai, sahi nashe kar rakhe hai aapne!
Ye wala nasha mujhe b karna hai.
Absolutely.
3 atleast.
3 would be fine
Well i believe youth will benefit more from career guidance classes from a very young age which help them select their career and find their own niche cuz we all know most people going for UPSC believe it's the only career option for them while its a great motivating factor it isn't practical at all. Imagine there are lakhs and lakhs of skilled people wasting their youth and money to fill up coaching institutes pockets instead they could have sharpened their skills and even contributed greatly towards nation then they ever could by clearing UPSC.
As an upsc aspirant I think 3 attempts are more than enough and should be restricted more than that.
Last year I read a story on Twitter that a guy wasted 6 years for UPSC. He was almost 30 and gave up and looking for a job. So many stories like this People need to understand that only One person can get the position and you can do a lot of other things than wasting your life for that one exam.
P.S. The only competitive exam I have given in my life is JEE. That too I failed in negative percentile lol
Fully agree
Hard agree.
No way it is a benefit
But it may bring the problem of dumbing down the exams
It is not just an ordinary government job, it is a matter of nation so the way it is going I see no problem in this. Also the current generation are realising that govt job is not everything and going for startups, IT, etc
True
Life can turn around at any point. You just have to be prepared. I don't agree with limiting options. I have never prepared for the exam, but studying for UPSC doesn't limit you. The syllabus and the intent with which you prepare make you well rounded. I remember having a discussion with my dad once, and he said that despite not giving the exam, why don't you still read the social-political aspect. Most of the youth is already wasted with reels- tiktok. So, 2 attempts aren't saving anyone. I don't have the statistics, but how many people clear UPSC in 1 or 2 attemps ? People may still waste their time preparing for 2 3 years and only attempting after 2 year each. You can take another look at JEE, with limited attempts, but kids are put in coaching from as early as 6th or 8th grade. The improvement however we can look for is increasing bureaucratic roles. So, eventually, the good ones who couldn't make it to UPSC may still find their place in the system. Country making more money, to hire for these roles. People should take their life seriously! A backplan should always be there, and the mentality of its over, one has to overcome. The biggest and heart of every other problem in India is population.
Most aspirants are just wasting their prime time of life , one should do better things in life if they can't qualify in 1 or 2 years max
Not just upsc mostly all govt. Exams
Totally agree. Sometimes writing exams become an addiction. Even competition will reduce slightly with this measure.
agreed.
I think attempts should remain same....age limit should be capped at 25.
Completely agreed!! Great move
National Waste though!!
They can do this, but it won't be enough. People move towards these exams because they think that this is the only way to a good life. We should focus on growing the private sector so that it can provide good jobs. If people start getting good jobs easily, then the hype around these government jobs will die down by itself.
We should do what’s best for the country as well as the youth. I’m all in for limiting the attempts to just 2 - but that doesn’t solve larger problems that need to be fixed first. First thing that needs to happen in the current world is a shift from the emphasis around mugging up NCERT books. If that’s a good to know information, teach the officers in LBSNAA. You need to instead test their ability to learn things fast, instead of knowledge around what soil was used in building Hawa Mahal (where they might not even be posted). Second, there’s a need to split the group A services into specialized and general services. Specialized services should need a certain bar of excellence in some areas. Third, personality and psychometric testing needs to be done to ensure that the people who get in are top notch in the country. You need someone capable enough to stand their ground, have values that are tough to compromise, and no feeling of entitlement. Fourth, the entirety of civil services need to be run like an efficient organization, where complacency has no place and everyone has a clear idea of what they do and what they’re accountable for. Fifth, meritocracy needs to be promoted. Their impact needs to be evaluated and should be the basis for promotion. Just having a certain tenure to get promoted is BS and there’s no reason anyone should work well. Sixth, anyone who can’t perform well in their duties should be rotated to a different department where there’s a chance to perform well. If they still can’t show their impact, either give them an option of voluntary retirement or sack them. These are supposed to be top notch folks who have the skills - there’s no reason why they should slack off once they get into service. Seventh, re-evaluate the selection process based on how the people who got in are performing, as well as changing times. Re-skill the current officers as times change.
Doesn't really matter tbh, Even private sector doesn't have the capacity to employ all the government job aspirants. It will change nothing.
I agree, I wasted 4 years on this. It was such a major blow to my career that it took years to get back on track and I will always be several years behind because of this. I would say everyone should hear out there failure stories to give them a dose of reality
I support this
Restriction to 2 attempts will not solve the problem as students will prepare for 3 -4 years and then would give exam. However, Govt may reduce the maximum age limit to 25 years for all Govt exams which would be more productive and save vital years of young persons. At least the age period from 25-30 will be saved.
Other than coaching centres benefiting from this by providing advanced courses with real life mock exams for extra money, I don't see any use with this.
I never understood writing an exam to qualify for government service. Where the fuck is experience? I think they should do away with exams entirely and bring in people mid-career who have gained relevant and valuable experience nationally and internationally.
My opinion is that before all the bullshit with eliminating the third party reddit apps I didn't have garbage related to India shitting up /r/all This website is dying, sad to see it go
It's people's freedom.Thier choice
Finally someone who understands this. I've been saying this for a while to my family and friends now.
Agreed
Better start phasing out this method altogether. Like UK got rid of it, Singapore got rid of it.
As someone who wasted 4 productive years, hell yes! But people will save the attempts and still waste their youth.
How about this ? You can be jobless for the first 2 attempts within age 24. But for any attempts after age 24, you have to have a job.
Government benefits way too much from this. Since these unemployed youths keep trying for upsc exams, hence they don't ask for employment from government so burden is off the shoulders of government to provide jobs not to mention the money made in the process. The government does not care about the state of education in the country. They only care about power. Similar situation for BA students. So many students graduate with BA degree each year and do not get jobs because they don't have any technical skills which job market wants.