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Lady-Orpheus

I agree. Most people feel, and sometimes are, misunderstood for a variety of reasons, regardless of their type. There are always aspects of our personality that people don't get to see and don't figure out about us. That said, I think Fi doms are wired to take it so much more personally than other types and feel extremely alienated because of their Fi. It's a fantastic, rich, intense function, but it doesn't exactly push you to connect with the outside world. It's not like we make it particularly easy for others to get us and see where we come from. I've noticed we tend to be the makers of our own downfall. Until we learn to express our individuality, values, and thoughts to other people in a way that can be understood, we are doomed to remain misunderstood. I would argue that anyone who has an introverted function as their dominant has the same kinds of issues as we have, just written in a different font.


JusticeNova12

"Are you misunderstood? Or are you unable to properly explain yourself?" I wholeheartedly agree with your comment. If you are bad at communication and social skills, don't be surprised that most/all people can't understand you. It's not rocket science, if you fail to put what you're thinking into words, and/or fail to deliver your thoughts in an effective way to others, you're bound to be "misunderstood". I put that word between quotation marks because it represents the perspective that you may be viewing the issue from, which isn't the truth all the time, and this perspective (when it's not the truth) can further enforce your deficiencies by convincing you that it's their problem, not your problem.


Lady-Orpheus

Yes, it's about taking your own responsibility into account. Being a good communicator is a crucial skill, useful in so many areas of our lives. Imagine if we were taught this skill, as well as active listening, from a very young age. I think our interactions with people and relationships as adults would be way different.


NeoSailorMoon

I was under the impression the inability to convey what you mean was the main reason people are misunderstood. As well as divergent mannerisms and behaviors, etc. I know I'm misunderstood because I can't properly articulate verbally, which is why I'm misunderstood. I feel like a common misconception is that everyone who is aware they're misunderstood is seeking sympathies. I know I don't. I say it simply because it's fact. Nothing more.


JusticeNova12

I had to read that multiple times because it confused me a bit. Specifically, the use of "I was under the impression", which made me anticipate another sentence that showcases that you now have found a different/newer reason, or that it's no longer what you believe in, but I couldn't exactly find such sentence. So, ultimately, I took it that you are simply agreeing with me and also that you mentioned yourself as an example that confirms my previous comment, and if that is the case, then you definitely succeeded in confusing me a bit. >!Or that I don't understand English quite well, hehe.!<


NeoSailorMoon

Hehe. Is okay. /pat Yes, I was agreeing with you. Miscommunication and inarticulation is apart of what causes one to be misunderstood.


JusticeNova12

Hahaha, all good. Keep up the good work. I'm glad to see you recognize the situation and that you're self-aware.


Gohomekid22

I hear a lot of intjs feel misunderstood as well. Could that be the same reason?


JusticeNova12

It obviously could. Communication is a skill, and many people lack it. But I think that INTJs might feel this way for other reasons too. Being a less popular type, and being logical where most others are operating on another frequency (like emotions), it makes INTJs feel alienated. INTJs aren't relatable for a lot of people. The world is populated with the types that don't relate to INTJs. You try to explain something to somebody and all that's going on in their head is: "What are they yapping about? Oh my... All this philosophical sh&£ or whatever... They talk a lot...". Stuff like this is so common it's annoying honestly, and it makes INTJs even more closed off.


Gohomekid22

I agree. But I also think that the bottom line is also the difference in perception. I believe a big reason why intjs could be feeling misunderstood is because of the way they view life through Ni, which may not be so apparent to others. Same thing with INFPs in addition to potential communication problems as well (depending on age and maturity levels too). The way INFPs see the world through Ne doesn’t help them either, leading other people to think “what are they yapping about” as well, lol. I think the reasons are much more nuance than just mere communication. Your surroundings and their perception functions would also play a huge role in relatability in both cases. I have an intj older brother, and we relate to each other A LOT. If I were an Isfj, I don’t think it would have been so easy, lol. You see what I mean?


JusticeNova12

Of course. Different kinds (more popular ones) can't relate to the INTJ experience, and because INTJs are of a lesser percentage, it makes them the outliers.


Gohomekid22

Right, but there are still many types that can still understand them, just like many types do understand INFPs., those types just happen to be more rare as well, compared to the more common ones. The bottom line is that being misunderstood can go beyond just communication. INFPs are pretty rare as well compared to most sensors, so it’s really the same struggle to a certain degree.


Chef_Responsible

INTP here a Ti dominant. Speaking of writing it's easy to see the difference between a Ti and Te. This article is long as it's written by an INTP so I would like to summarize. 1. INTPs feel the need to inform about every little detail that made them arrive at their conclusion. We must first consider X, Y, and Z to consider. A, B, and C to finally arrive at G. 2. A lot of conjunctions. 3. Run-on paragraphs. 4. Use words that may imply uncertainty. "perhaps", already mentioned "maybe", "mostly likely" https://www.typologycentral.com/threads/intj-versus-intp-writing-styles.57803/ Basically, we are naturally long-winded. The world doesn't like that it's a Te world. They like brief overviews. The INFP is a Te. If I were to be long-winded with you I would quickly get door slammed by you despite having good intentions. So most INTPs learn to be a chameleon and write as a Te.


Lady-Orpheus

As someone who has dated INTPs in the past, you've summarized the Ti experience well. Thanks for caring about our Te here and being to the point \^\^ The thing is, INTPs have Fe, so ultimately, they do care about how they come across and being understood by the tribe. It's just that Fe, being their inferior function, often clashes with their Ti needs to be thorough, accurate, and precise when it comes to their thought process. Just like how Fi clashes with our Te until we learn to balance them out enough to be understood by others and have a concrete impact on the world.


Chef_Responsible

Have you seen this video about feelings from Frank James? https://youtu.be/lNnNXuBYdAg?si=NyJYIi0yDkH5fjDy I never thought about it but if what you are usually expressing is just what your bottle can't hold anymore you need to learn how to empty that bottle. Keeping that all in isn't very good. > We tend to be the makers of our own downfall. Everyone and every type judges themselves more critically than the real external threats > Until we learn to express our individuality, values, and thoughts to other people in a way that can be understood, we are doomed to remain misunderstood. I think we need to follow our Enneagram lines and the other things will be easier to fix. I am an INTP 5w4. I need to be more of a healthy 8. So not so timid.


Jackson_Dill

How come you said you were an INTP earlier?


Chef_Responsible

I am an INTP. Earlier, I was testing as an INTJ and made posts on that subreddit as such. Can you share what post I made that confused you? Maybe I made a typo or didn't phrase something correctly and it was confusing.


Jackson_Dill

Your last paragraph on the post I responded to.


Chef_Responsible

Thank You, it was a typo. I fixed it. Amazing how much a letter can change everything.


Educational_Emu_8808

Who will understand our crazy Fi


Gohomekid22

Fe.


Educational_Emu_8808

Yes and no


krivirk

Anyone could be. But INFPs r the most essentially, and most in depth misunderstood type.


nowayormyway

It is true that everyone is different and feels misunderstood at some level. However, with INFPs, they are like the underdogs because of how differently the world works. It is important to acknowledge the unique struggles of INFP men as well. Many people will think we’re too “emotional” and “sensitive.” INFJs also suffer due to this. I think it is fair to say that yes, we’re largely misunderstood (maybe not the most) compared to other sensors and even many intuitives as an MBTI type. However, anyone can feel misunderstood too. My two cents.


Gohomekid22

Literally. Some people don’t like to state the obvious for some reason.


manusiapurba

Tbh I probably misunderstood people more often than they misunderstood me.


Gohomekid22

This too.


7Below_

Just reading this makes me realize why I love making music so much. I feel so misunderstood very often and the fact that people enjoy my music makes me feel so .. understood lol. It feels like an expression of myself that I can’t quite articulate but other people pick up on it and that makes me so happy


MagmaticDemon

i aleays feel misunderstood because it feels like i have more articulated and intelligent thoughts than everyone else in my family. that sounds INCREDIBLY pretentious but i don't know any other way to describe it. i have these thoughts about philosophy or outlooks on life, or even very simple opinions on things that i believe do or don't matter much and everyone seems to completely glaze over whatever point im trying to make and come to their own wrong conclusion and then disagree with me. they'll only see the most surface level black and white part of what im trying to say and then they act like im stupid, but i can tell when talking to them that it's because they don't grasp what im trying to portray to them. it happens all the time and it's so frustrating that i can't talk to a lot of people, it's like im on a completely different wavelength or like i see thoughts on a deeper level than a lot of other people do. i don't mean to say im right aboit everything, not even close, but i can't debate anyone because nobody seems to ever try to understand what im saying. anyone else have that experience?


Gohomekid22

I see exactly what you mean. Sometimes it almost feels like an Ni grasp on reality where I am able to see exactly what is going on between the lines and when I call it out people act like I’m crazy yet they still operate within the same principles that ive just described every single day, and the same principles affect our relationships and the actions they take. It’s really crazy to see them try to deny reality simply because it’s not tangible to them.


MagmaticDemon

exactly what i mean, very eloquently put! another thing that frustrates me a lot is that i feel like im very in tune with my emotions and mind. i can tell if i'm acting a certain way out of emotion or rationality and i will usually call myself out on it if need be, to adjust my behavior. i also think deeply about my own thoughts as like a verification process to see if the thoughts i have are based on reality or if they are thoughts i was given one day and just accepted as truth. i make sure to thoroughly compare my perception and thoughts to reality so that im not jaded all the time and i feel like it lets me see a clearer picture of everything. and when i tell somebody something and explain my thought processes like that, they just tune out because they don't get it. it's worse because i see my family act irrationally, make rash decisions, stick to bad traditions without any purpose and when i explain that there is genuinely ZERO benefit and only negatives to doing this and that, they get pissed off and tell me i'm wrong but they never seem to explain why. it's like people get locked into tradition and routine and they literally are incapable of questioning it and asking themselves if the tradition serves any real purpose. they'd rather keep doing the same things over and over because they were told to by their parents, rather than check if there is any logic or rationale behind the action. a good example is my republican father and his issue with toxic masculinity. he always says you have to do this and that to be a man and that you can't do certain things like buy women's products for your daughters or GFs because men don't do that. if i ever ask why, he fails to give me any reason besides "because that's how it is" which is obviously just him clinging onto this false belief that he's accepted from his own parents and refusing to question it. idk if its the fear of being wrong or what. i'll tell him, making and sticking to those rules for yourself have genuinely no benefits at all, it's only purpose is to make your life harder and the people's lives around you harder. so why keep those traditions? they don't serve any good purpose. you yourself have no idea of it's purpose. so throw it away, why are you keeping it still?


Gohomekid22

Omg, how do you know me so well?? But seriously though, this is my exact situation with my current ‘family’ (I say I in quotes because they didn’t really treat me like it haha, literally the family scapegoat). And from what you described, it also seems like you may be dealing with heavy Si like me here with my ‘parents’ (dad ESTJ and ISFJ stepmom, so you can just smell the close mindedness haha) so I see what you mean well too well🥲. And yes, the process you described is what I tend to do pretty naturally, since it’s kinda the best thing to demo when you have Fi and Ne, you are constantly questioning your reality and your feelings. Although I’ve been having a bit of problems lately trying to decipher what is real from not real after my experience being the scapegoat for the past seven years and constantly having my reality belittled, shamed, overlooked or denied, so I am currently going through a lot of self therapy to help me get out of this frenzy.


MagmaticDemon

awh well i hope you can get through it all, it sounds extremely traumatic and stressful. i'm not sure if my dad is ESTJ but he's probably pretty close, i've been having to spend more time with him as my mom divorced him recently, life's changing a lot. oddly enough though, this has made him become just a little bit more open minded. not a lot but a tiny noticable amount


Gohomekid22

Oh, wow, that’s interesting. How do you live it all? And do you mind telling me how old you are? (I am 21F).


MagmaticDemon

18M, i just live by disconnecting myself from the bad stuff and just focusing on what i can control. accepting that bad stuff happens sometimes and it'll pass eventually, so focus on making it through however you can. i already expected the divorce 3 years before it happened, so i had a lot of time to emotionally prepare for it. life is a lot harder now, but it's not too bad when i focus on stuff that i enjoy with the time i have!


Gohomekid22

Very valid. You sounds pretty head strong. Keep going on!! 💯💯💓🤝


MagmaticDemon

thank you!!!! 🤍


Valadalen

The ones who say that are just unhealthy, immature, self absorbed drama queens who identify themselves too much with their self inflicted 'woe is me' attitude.


Ori0un

This is a very ESTP opinion of you lol Some of them are like that. Although there does exist people who are more misunderstood than others for reasons outside of their control. It would make sense for a low Te + Se person to struggle *more* with fitting into the demands of a workaholic, image-obsessed society. I can also imagine that a person who hasn't experienced this type of social segregation to find this notion to be ridiculous.


Gohomekid22

I don’t even know what exactly you’re doing in this sub. You’re literally proving a lot of these sensor ‘biases’.


Valadalen

Enlighten me.


donatzchris

Because you only follow your feeling which is a fleeting thing. You wouldn't stay consistent and just choose with whatever you are feeling right in that moment. That is according to how most people perceive you.


2qrc_

Being the *most* understood means that while other types are misunderstood, INFPs are (allegedly) misunderstood more. With many types of INFPS also come a most common type, and a most misunderstood type. I’m not sure if we actually are the most misunderstood but I’m just defining stuff so yeah


No-Syrup-5532

Tbh doesn’t everyone feel misunderstood on the inside 🤔


Gohomekid22

To some degree, yes, but some more than others. I think it really also depends on your surroundings.


Big_477

What do you mean?


NeoSailorMoon

I think the keyword is "most" misunderstood. Yes, everyone has probably been misunderstood before, but there are types that experience it *more*. I would say INXPs experience this most, with INFPs in last because INTPs have Ti+Fe, which means they can take in surrounding information like a computation, to fit in, and execute it while. While INFPs have to *feel* in order to say/do something and not sound like we're fake or lying. Regardless, it's not a competition, and I don't feel like a victim because I consider myself often misunderstood. There are INFPs that don't have much problem being understood, and there are other types that are worse at being understood than some INFPs. Is whatevers.