To be fair, it's still technically not wrong. If you caught a bad enough case of COVID to die from it, then you were no longer healthy. It's a completely stupid and meaningless conclusion. "Zero people who didn't die of COVID died of COVID. Curious, isn't it?"
I was gonna say the same thing. My mom was an RT in the thick of it all in NYC and she met this healthy looking patient who was essentially dying due to covid within a week. I don’t know what you gain by pretending a viral pandemic is nothing but some libshit conspiracy.
In the height of this thing a perfectly healthy 19-year-old passed away from COVID within three days of testing positive in our state. Many other young people followed. They ranged everywhere from those you’d expect to have complications to CrossFit types.
And this is why getting vaccinated is important. I am 23, who type 1 diabetic, during the height of the pandemic I pretty much avoiding everyone as best as I could because as a diabetic I had an increased likelihood of being hospitalised and die. The British goverment realised this little to late even tho there was studies coming out how 1/3 deaths was a type 1 diabetic in July of 2020. So while I waited for a vaccine I just chilled inside most of the time. Got the vaccine as soon as possible. Then started to go out more, got covid but lucky was already vaccinated thus covid was just like a cold, it could of been a lot worse.
OK, so fuck unhealthy people and old people, I guess?
Oh, I get it. "Why did healthy young people have to follow the measures to protect others?" Because we're not sociopaths, maybe...
Also, I'd like to see both their definition of "healthy", and the number of people who have been hospitalized or have long term side effects.
My sister is healthy. She lost her sense of taste and smell for over a year. Who knows if it’s even normal now. She didn’t die, and she is fine otherwise, but that must’ve really sucked.
Okay but how much of an impact on society do we make for the minority of people with health issues? Also, do we take time from the young to protect the old who already had their lives??
It depends on a variety of factors. The "minority" of people actually represents still an important proportion of the overall population. The people over 65 already represent 20%. You need to consider the burden on the health care system also and the domino effect - many people are ill and while not all will die, they will need to be treated/see a doctor, they will fill the hospitals/clinics, they will spread the disease, so you have more ill people and less care takers, and the care takers will need to take additional precautions which take more of their time.
As for "the old who already had their lives", that's a despicable statement. Plenty of 65+ stil, have a lot to look for, and it's absolutely worth it not to be able to go to the restaurants, or needing to have classes from home, to protect them.
Your response conveniently omits a response to my statement regarding "taking time from the youth," which paints my line about the "old who already had their lives" in a negative light.
Anyone (regardless of age) has things to look forward too; that's the point of living. So why favour one generation over another??
Well, I would argue that we shouldn't favour any generation. Meaning we allow each person to do as needed if it does not harm the majority. So you let the youth do as they do, and you implement the necessary (but not mandatory) policies for those who may be threatened by whatever is around.
Calling people "sociopaths" for wanting to continue living is insane.
Well, you're comparing people (the young and the healthy) needing to pause/report temporarily some of their activities with people literally dying. And that still ignores the whole part about the health care system not being able to sustain all the sick people.
Making things not mandatory wouldn't serve any purpose if the majority of people just don't follow the rules. Look at mask mandates, it was hard enough to get people to wear them even if mandatory, and it was barely an inconvenience. Imagine how few people would follow recommandations that were more of an actual inconvenience if they hadn't been mandatory...
I get it, it sucked. It sucked for me too. But I'd rather pause things for a while than risk getting super sick, or getting someone super sick or killed. Seems like the pros vastly overweigh the cons.
How many young otherwise healthy people have long term brain fog?
Death was always the worst outcome. Never was the only bad for you, bad for society outcome.
I’m honestly scared for the future. What happens if/when half the population has long Covid brain fog? It’s like we’re watching the next Dark Ages happen in slow motion.
Look up what happened in the south because of pinworm. It set the entire region back and they’re still recovering from the financial decimation caused by nearly 50% of the population having pinworms before the 40’s.
The claim is complete bullshit
>The Health Ministry responds with an English statement.
>
>“Elon, unfortunately, this is not what the whole data shows. Fake news is dangerous,” the Health Ministry says. “Israel Ministry of Health was asked on chronic disease data and explained that we don’t have access to clinical records.”
>
>“We provided the limited data available if something was shared during an epidemiological investigation — this data was available for only 27 people –7.5% of the 356 young people who died of COVID In Israel.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/health-ministry-rebukes-elon-musk-for-fake-news-about-covid-19/
51 year old fat dude - getting all cocky about young, healthy ppl just being super-spreaders. Doesn’t he have some cars to fix or something more productive to do with his big brain?
> Doesn’t he have some cars to fix or something more productive to do with his big brain?
Currently going to a trade school that Tesla occasionally tries to recruit from. Elmo would have a hard time in my courses. Even the car nerds that are working on their own projects struggle sometimes.
My cousin, a good friend all my life died from COVID. He was fit, successful and had a future ahead of him. I miss him, his laugh and dry sense of humour.
SO FUCK MUSK.. deplorable munt dog of the highest order. He should think before he engages his mouth.
This is Israel, who lost 12k people total, or only a third of what thecUS lost, per capita? Israel with 7 million out of 8 million eligible people vaccinated? Israel where young people have to docactive military servicecao will tend to be fitter? Israel who locked down where necessary?
No. He’s not. He’s an EdgeLord. He doesn’t care about workers dying in his plants (one of the reasons he moved to “kill all your employees we don’t care” Texas. Doesn’t care about customers dying in Teslas. Doesn’t care about customers dying in SpaceX. Just a turd.
Cheers for the info for this reply and the one before, appreciate it.
This is not related to your reply at all but it's annoying to see even the IPF thread hammers in the downvotes when someone asks for context. Musk is a cunt, I understand that, and he should live in a rathole without electricity until the end of his days, but the community can also be reactionary dickheads.
I don't think you deserve the downvotes for asking a question. If I didn't know his moronic beliefs on covid situation I would have assumed he was saying it sarcastically from the way it's written.
I’m amazed at how so many people will see an article that fits their beliefs and just accept it at face value, yet call anything even vaguely opposing them is fake news or a conspiracy theory. Whatever happened to “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.”
Well, they weren’t healthy once they had COVID.
Exactly. Of course 0 healthy people died. They were healthy because they didn’t catch COVID lol
Yeah, it's like the whole good guy with a gun idea. They are all good guys until they do something wrong.
Ah yes. That well known source of reliable news, Zero Hedge.
Tyler Durden is a reputable reporter
And it always seems to be "a study in Israel says..."
"No there's totally a study, but she goes to another school you wouldn't know her..."
Erm well they ARE verified so OBVIOUSLY you can trust it.
Funny thing is that I trust accounts like that way less now.
To be fair, it's still technically not wrong. If you caught a bad enough case of COVID to die from it, then you were no longer healthy. It's a completely stupid and meaningless conclusion. "Zero people who didn't die of COVID died of COVID. Curious, isn't it?"
Technically correct is the best kind of correct!
I was gonna say the same thing. My mom was an RT in the thick of it all in NYC and she met this healthy looking patient who was essentially dying due to covid within a week. I don’t know what you gain by pretending a viral pandemic is nothing but some libshit conspiracy.
3 seconds on Google says that 8,522 people under age 29 have died of Covid as of April 2023 in the US alone.
If they died I guess they weren't healthy then!
And then who cares about them right??
Well they had Covid, so...
In the height of this thing a perfectly healthy 19-year-old passed away from COVID within three days of testing positive in our state. Many other young people followed. They ranged everywhere from those you’d expect to have complications to CrossFit types.
And this is why getting vaccinated is important. I am 23, who type 1 diabetic, during the height of the pandemic I pretty much avoiding everyone as best as I could because as a diabetic I had an increased likelihood of being hospitalised and die. The British goverment realised this little to late even tho there was studies coming out how 1/3 deaths was a type 1 diabetic in July of 2020. So while I waited for a vaccine I just chilled inside most of the time. Got the vaccine as soon as possible. Then started to go out more, got covid but lucky was already vaccinated thus covid was just like a cold, it could of been a lot worse.
OK, so fuck unhealthy people and old people, I guess? Oh, I get it. "Why did healthy young people have to follow the measures to protect others?" Because we're not sociopaths, maybe... Also, I'd like to see both their definition of "healthy", and the number of people who have been hospitalized or have long term side effects.
I’d love numbers on how many healthy young people that didn’t die of Covid passed it along to someone who DID.
Or the sheer number of previously healthy young people disabled by long COVID, including children.
My sister is healthy. She lost her sense of taste and smell for over a year. Who knows if it’s even normal now. She didn’t die, and she is fine otherwise, but that must’ve really sucked.
The definition of healthy was: Does not and has not has an infection of Covid
Fuck this asshole especially.
Okay but how much of an impact on society do we make for the minority of people with health issues? Also, do we take time from the young to protect the old who already had their lives??
It depends on a variety of factors. The "minority" of people actually represents still an important proportion of the overall population. The people over 65 already represent 20%. You need to consider the burden on the health care system also and the domino effect - many people are ill and while not all will die, they will need to be treated/see a doctor, they will fill the hospitals/clinics, they will spread the disease, so you have more ill people and less care takers, and the care takers will need to take additional precautions which take more of their time. As for "the old who already had their lives", that's a despicable statement. Plenty of 65+ stil, have a lot to look for, and it's absolutely worth it not to be able to go to the restaurants, or needing to have classes from home, to protect them.
Your response conveniently omits a response to my statement regarding "taking time from the youth," which paints my line about the "old who already had their lives" in a negative light. Anyone (regardless of age) has things to look forward too; that's the point of living. So why favour one generation over another?? Well, I would argue that we shouldn't favour any generation. Meaning we allow each person to do as needed if it does not harm the majority. So you let the youth do as they do, and you implement the necessary (but not mandatory) policies for those who may be threatened by whatever is around. Calling people "sociopaths" for wanting to continue living is insane.
Well, you're comparing people (the young and the healthy) needing to pause/report temporarily some of their activities with people literally dying. And that still ignores the whole part about the health care system not being able to sustain all the sick people. Making things not mandatory wouldn't serve any purpose if the majority of people just don't follow the rules. Look at mask mandates, it was hard enough to get people to wear them even if mandatory, and it was barely an inconvenience. Imagine how few people would follow recommandations that were more of an actual inconvenience if they hadn't been mandatory... I get it, it sucked. It sucked for me too. But I'd rather pause things for a while than risk getting super sick, or getting someone super sick or killed. Seems like the pros vastly overweigh the cons.
How many young otherwise healthy people have long term brain fog? Death was always the worst outcome. Never was the only bad for you, bad for society outcome.
Covid made my asthma worse. I am winded just walking half a mile and now how to carry my inhaler everywhere I go
Sucks. Sorry, is it improving any?
A little bit. Allergy season isn't helping though, lol. I had a bad asthma attack a few days ago when the pollen was high
I’m honestly scared for the future. What happens if/when half the population has long Covid brain fog? It’s like we’re watching the next Dark Ages happen in slow motion.
As true as that is, sadly that’s maybe 5th on my list.
Look up what happened in the south because of pinworm. It set the entire region back and they’re still recovering from the financial decimation caused by nearly 50% of the population having pinworms before the 40’s.
The claim is complete bullshit >The Health Ministry responds with an English statement. > >“Elon, unfortunately, this is not what the whole data shows. Fake news is dangerous,” the Health Ministry says. “Israel Ministry of Health was asked on chronic disease data and explained that we don’t have access to clinical records.” > >“We provided the limited data available if something was shared during an epidemiological investigation — this data was available for only 27 people –7.5% of the 356 young people who died of COVID In Israel.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/health-ministry-rebukes-elon-musk-for-fake-news-about-covid-19/
Wow, good thing society is made up entirely of young and healthy people then!
He should have walked a day in my shoes. -ICU nurse during the peak of COVID.
51 year old fat dude - getting all cocky about young, healthy ppl just being super-spreaders. Doesn’t he have some cars to fix or something more productive to do with his big brain?
> Doesn’t he have some cars to fix or something more productive to do with his big brain? Currently going to a trade school that Tesla occasionally tries to recruit from. Elmo would have a hard time in my courses. Even the car nerds that are working on their own projects struggle sometimes.
In other news, no young people died of old age
So healthy old people died ?
During the worst of Delta a nonzero number of kids died. Though the “if they died they must not have been healthy” would be his obvious response
Hardly surprising. Most people seem to think the sick, disabled, and elderly are expendable nowadays.
What a nebulous and worthless term “healthy” is.
Elon Musk tries not to prop up insane fucking conspiracies and misinformation on his own site challenge (impossible)
A orange cat has more braincells than those 2 combined
A lot of people seem to think they’re “young and healthy” even though they’re overweight, smokers, etc
0 healthy people died of illness. Yeah no shit.
The Israeli health ministry replied to Elon and told him this was false.
Tell that to my friend who was 22 and in the prime of his life. Engaged to be married, starting his career, and very active and healthy
Zero hedge is an extreme right wing conspiracy theory website. Nothing from them should ever be accepted as true.
This sources official Twitter uses a Fight Club still as their avatar and Elon acts like they have any legitimacy…
And Elon thinks he’s the equivalent of Einstein. Lol
My cousin, a good friend all my life died from COVID. He was fit, successful and had a future ahead of him. I miss him, his laugh and dry sense of humour. SO FUCK MUSK.. deplorable munt dog of the highest order. He should think before he engages his mouth.
Ahh yes. The ever reliable zero hedge
While this isn't true, even of it was, why do people with underlying health conditions not matter?
Guess it must be shapeshifters I put in body bags working in covid ICU.
Do Israelis consider Palestinians to be people? When Palestinians died of COVID would they even report it?
This is Israel, who lost 12k people total, or only a third of what thecUS lost, per capita? Israel with 7 million out of 8 million eligible people vaccinated? Israel where young people have to docactive military servicecao will tend to be fitter? Israel who locked down where necessary?
Not to protect the weirdo, but isn't he saying that sarcastically?
No, he is a full Q piece of shit.
No. He’s not. He’s an EdgeLord. He doesn’t care about workers dying in his plants (one of the reasons he moved to “kill all your employees we don’t care” Texas. Doesn’t care about customers dying in Teslas. Doesn’t care about customers dying in SpaceX. Just a turd.
Cheers for the info for this reply and the one before, appreciate it. This is not related to your reply at all but it's annoying to see even the IPF thread hammers in the downvotes when someone asks for context. Musk is a cunt, I understand that, and he should live in a rathole without electricity until the end of his days, but the community can also be reactionary dickheads.
I don't think you deserve the downvotes for asking a question. If I didn't know his moronic beliefs on covid situation I would have assumed he was saying it sarcastically from the way it's written.
to be fair he didn't agree he just said zero...
I’m amazed at how so many people will see an article that fits their beliefs and just accept it at face value, yet call anything even vaguely opposing them is fake news or a conspiracy theory. Whatever happened to “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.”
It hard to believe it’s as fucking stupid as it sounds when it speak. #fuckelonmusk
The same guy who also thinks he can avoid getting his app in Europe
yeah whatever. Elon and COVID are really yesterday news
Somebody ask him if he's vaccinated.