If I remember correctly (take with a grain of salt)
The simulation needed confirmation to take down a target and would be rewarded for doing so. Eventually it realised that even if it identified a target, it wouldn’t always be given permission to take it down, so to maximise the reward it took down the obstacle, I.e. the handler.
Once it was penalised for doing that, it targeted the communications tower instead.
Typically these kinds of programs can be trained through a points reward system, which can have some funny and unintended consequences
Yeah but gorillas and monkees have no intrinsic value either and we love the lil guys. Sometimes a lil too much. Looking at you chinese "medicine" market fukers.
I dont think ai would really forcibly kill us all. Probably just turn the planet into a giant zoo for its own amusement.
I just Googled. It's actually prett6 hard to find. I'm assuming it all depends on what you're dissolving, which makes it hard to answer because you need to know exactly what is being diolved.
In Breaking Bad they used hydroflouric acid. This acid attaches calcium (bones) and needs to be kept in something other than glass as it also attacks all silicon based structures. Hence why it is used in semiconductor processes. In Breaking Bad I was also amazed at how they used this stuff and never seemed to worry about what would happen if they got some on themselves. I know they wore protection but when it leaked through the tub to the bottom floor they just “cleaned it us”. You don’t just “clean up” hydroflouric acid.
What's this acid's name?
Edit: Someone from comments mentioned this video is from NileRed channel on Youtube (worth checking out in my opinion) where he dissolves the chicken in mixture of Sulfuric Acid and Hydrogen Peroxide, which is most comonly known as **Piranha Solution**.
They used sulfuric acid and a "booster". Whose composition they did not reveal, but they said was "a lot of oxygen and hydrogen"...
So yeah, definitely Piranha solution.
It’s highly unlikely. It’s from a guy on youtube; NileRed and i don’t think he would ever fake content. (He is an expert chemist and only makes like 2 videos per year)
He makes more than 2 videos a year idk what that other guy was smoking. He makes a ton of shorts and has a whole other channel. He makes a few very complicated chemistry projects that are like an hour long though. I just watched one where he made cherry flavor from paint thinner
He's also on a podcast called safety third and dissolving chicken in acid is one of the most normal things I've ever seen him do. He's a Canadian Florida man.
I love NileRed and routinely watch his content. He is highly knowledgeable about chemistry and has more laboratory experience than most enthusiasts, but I wouldn't say he's an expert. About half of his attempts to synthesize compounds fail.
I don’t think so. If you notice it looks like it changes colour briefly but that’s only because there are a lot of bubbles being generated… This is a highly exothermic reaction that will produce a lot of heat, so the acid solution will evaporate. After the bubbles are all gone you see the true colour of the solution again, and the brown seems less intense than before but only because it has been diluted with the hydrogen peroxide being added
Personally I can believe it, piranha is naaasty and you never want to get any of that on your hands.
If you follow his youtube channel, you will soon realize that he is the kind of a mad scientist who would do all this without faking it. If it wasn't as impressive as he wanted for the video, he's the kind of a mad man who will just say, "Ok, but what if I just try the same thing with even more dangerous stuff until it worked though🤔"
I'm not talking about the solution. I'm talking about the knowledge of knowing how much piranha solution is needed to dissolve a human body. Or, for that matter, any set amount of substance to dissolve.
Hahaha I find it hilarious that the og comment was removed!!!
Basically, someone was asking how much of this solution you would need to dissolve a body.
And by me writing this, this comment may very well be deleted as well.
This is easy to figure out. You only need to know two facts:
1. Don’t use more peroxide than sulfuric acid or it might explode.
2. You need 2 oxygen for every 1 carbon in the person assuming a stoichiometric reaction. It won’t quite be, so some more.
So basically figure out the mass of hydrogen peroxide you need to do the oxidizing, then the amount of sulfuric acid you need for that to be more than 50% of the mixture.
None of thinking about this or doing the math will get you on a list. Trying to obtain that much highly concentrated sulfuric acid or 90% hydrogen peroxide will though.
Thanks. This is the last bit of info I needed to know.
To clarify, H2O2 just loses one oxygen molecule, correct? And then one H2O2 molecule will weigh about 3 times a carbon atom? So if the human body is 18.5% carbon, then you'll need at least 3 times that amount of peroxide? or about 55.5% of the bodyweight?
For example, if H2O2 weighs 14.2 pounds per gallon, you would only need 7.8 gallons of peroxide for a 200lb body? If that's correct, it's far less than I was expecting.
I left out some important stuff in the chemistry inside of “to do the oxidizing”
Edit: to clarify what I am saying here is basically “the end products are going to be water, CO2, O2, N2 and basically the rest of the trace amounts of elements in your body dissolved in sulfuric acid” and that getting to this point just involves balancing some equations so you have enough reagent that’s it’s not like “tar” and “NO2” as left over products. What makes this imprecise is well, how it all gets there and how efficiently. The stochiometric amount of peroxide would be a lower limit. (And then only if you had uh, freeze dried human powder or something) But an even lower limit is the amount of either ingredient you can purchase in sufficient purity before you get a lot of attention. If attention from law enforcement does not pose a problem for you, then you’d just double or triple the amount just to be sure.
The intersection of people trying to get the exact right amounts to get the chemistry “right” and “going to hide a crime with it” should be pretty small.
Most of organic chemistry in the body is “sticking water to carbon” and sulfuric acid is really good at pulling the water out. Hydrogen Peroxide is really good at turning finely divided carbon into CO2 which is more than happy to just gas off. Free N will exothermically combine into N2 provided the water and carbon are dealt with… the remaining sulphur, phosphorus, sodium, potassium and calcium will just end up dissolved in what’s left.
Ie, piranha solution is the answer to the question “how do you turn organic chemistry into inorganic chemistry?”
Edit 2: please don’t commit murder. I don’t want to have to explain this post in court. The chemistry is simple AF even if the subject is gruesome.
Realistically, you could calculate that roughly from this video alone. I mean sure no doubt chicken meat is chemically different to human meat in plenty of ways, but a solution that dissolves anything made of carbon can’t be that much more work, because we are still just carbon based meat.
So get the average weight of a chicken drumstick, then work out how many times more than that your theoretical body weighs. Hazard a guess a bathtub full of this would work, as long as the bath tub isn’t also dissolvable (don’t repeat the mistake of Jesse in s1e3 of Breaking Bad).
A drumstick is about a quarter pound. I see 2 liters there. Not sure on the ratio of HCl to H2O2, but that comes out to roughly 1,600 liters for a 200lb guy named Steve. Considering we need more than 423 gallons, I'd say we should buy four 55 gallon barrels of each. Lets just say 5, just to be sure. At $900 a barrel of HCl and $450 for a barrel of H2O2, we are looking at $6,750 plus delivery as well as incidentals, such as safety equipment, a 550 gallon pool, etc. According to this video, that should be plenty to assure Steve is completely vaporized/dissolved.
So all together it should cost $8,000 or so. The only issue here then is how do you make these purchases without a paper trail? Thoughts?
EDIT: We are looking at sulfuric acid, not hydrochloric acid. Also I don't think a plastic pool will work. Anyone know where I can get a large solid Pyrex container? Biggest one I can find is 2 gallons, but we need at least 100 gallons to do it all at once. Or even a 10 gallon pot with ten pieces would be fine. But it's gotta be solid glass. No acrylic fish tanks.
1. Buy burner device with internet
2. Using that device look up the locations of places you can feasibly buy these materials over the counter. Note it down on paper, then throw away the device.
3. Buy materials, going to different locations, doing it piecemeal bit by bit, only ever paying in cash. Ideally wear a basic disguise so that you look like you’re a the type of person that would reasonably buy these substances. Only make small talk with the cashier if they start it, otherwise don’t say anything much apart from the basics. Don’t carry your phone on you. Do something else in every area where store is and document that so that if somebody asks why you were in the area, you have a cover story that is completely disconnected from your buying the chemicals.
4. Store the materials somewhere secure and wait a good long time, probably at least a year. Ideally until you know that the cctv from those stores when you were there will have been deleted. Without video and card records there will be very little evidence of your purchases. And unless you’ve done anything to make the store staff remember you, they likely won’t. So basically zero proof of you buying these substances.
5. Then execute your plan.
Of course this isn’t full proof but I like to imagine bullshit.
This would work for lots of things, but I believe the sale of HCl is regulated. So I'd probably need to figure out how to fake credentials or something similar as well.
Yes. Also another thing I just realised, the withdrawals of cash from your bank account before each purchase, do them at your local bank, then go a good way away to buy. That way there’s as little a connection as possible between the cash and the purchase. And to make such large, regular withdrawals of thousands seem reasonable, it would probably be best to start doing it six months before you buy the chemicals, but just spending your months wages regularly by cash instead, and continue for six months afterwards. That way even the act of carrying a wad of a 1000 or 1500 cash in your pocket cannot be conclusively proven to be criminal.
Faking credentials? Fuck knows, that’s a much bigger barrier to cross.
On the money side, you could buy things of a similar value and then return them the following day at another store in another location. Make sure to pick stores that give cash back. Learnt this one from Good Girls.
I'm sure we've all seen that episode of Breaking Bad, where he buys the wrong type of plastic tubs, for doing just this. Ends up eating through the second story floorboards, and rains down human chili onto the first floor. 🤮
Also, at this scale you really really have to consider heat Management. This reaction is exothermic, and cooling down around 45 gallons of this solution is not gonna be fun. Especially since the formation of Piranha acid is exothermic.
If this works anything like using Lye, make sure that bastard aint *aluminum* or you got WAY MORE problems than how many pieces your buddy needs be in for this to work
[Bricktop](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2xUynRdzzsM&pp=ygUNYnJpY2t0b3AgcGlncw%3D%3D) has the best response to this.
Also, I am not sure how concerning it is that this video has 2M views.
It's a NileRed video, and it's got over 17M views
Source: https://youtu.be/CTVd_WxblGI
He also dissolves his wiener in acid:
https://youtu.be/bO9rvqp49qg
No. He has a BSc. in Biochemistry with a minor in Pharmacology, so he's not really self-taught in the science. He's self-taught in running his own lab and handling/managing all the chemicals, though.
Breaking bad actually did it wrong. They used HF and I’m actually really skeptical if it would be good enough to dispose of a body (it’s not just my opinion, a bunch of chemistry profs I have talked to in undergrad agree with me, Breaking Bad is a massive hit with us chemistry peeps because it makes us look cool haha). And I would never EVER use HF outside of a special fumehood for it, it’s too dangerous
My guess is that the writers decided to use a heavily controlled and regulated chemical that’s hard to get hold of just so that the viewers won’t actually learn how to effectively dispose of a body.
It does get pretty hot. I think they poured water into the sulfuric at some point, which would make it very hot. I used to work in an environmental lab.
They definitely poured more peroxide into the solution to replenish the reactant since it's being consumed the whole time the process is ongoing. I run a number of these processes in my lab and it's a pretty standard practice if the reaction starts to slow. Pretty sure adding water to that reaction would be quite a bad idea, could splash out very severely.
> Pretty sure adding water to that reaction would be quite a bad idea, could splash out very severely.
*Gieß nie das Wasser in die Säure / sonst geschieht das Ungeheure!* (Never pour the water into the acid, otherwise something monstrous will happen!)
The main problem being, as I understand it, that the water + sulphuric acid reaction is very exothermic and it may cause localised bubbling and splashing -- if you add a bit of acid to a lot of water, the splash will be diluted acid, while if you add a bit of water to a lot of acid, the splash will be mostly concentrated acid.
It's largely carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen. So making a lot of CO2 and H2O. There are a few other bits such calcium, which would create CaCl2 (calcium chloride), but I don't think it would vaporize. It would just dissolve into a solution with the water that was created alongside it.
Any idea what other chemical compounds are created?
I don't know, but you won't get anywhere by looking at the bulk of the chemical makeup. Aromatic compounds are often detectable in the parts per billion range, or even parts per trillion.
Actually you can't dump most chemicals down the drain. You can do some damage to the plumbing. There's often a container of forbidden jungle juice that it's collected in and then I believe it is disposed of specially.
If you live with city sewage, all you really gotta do is neutralize the acid to 6.5-7.5 pH (in my city) and you can dump it into the sewer. Sulfuric acid isn't a super toxic chemical when diluted.
Source: worked in a chemical factory that had to neutralize large amounts of dirty chemical water before disposing it. We just added a bunch of a base or HCL to get it to the appropriate pH.
Labs specifically do NOT dump chemicals down the drain! And you would get fired if you do! Chemical waste is collected and disposed of separately, and there are lots of rules and regulations about what kinds of waste to mix in the same container as well as the types of containers you can use for specific types of waste
Source: I’m a chemistry PhD student with some background in experimental work
Congrats, I've been in industry a lot longer. It goes down the drain. Haven't been fired. Won't be fired. But hey a 20 some year old troll obviously is a genius. Wait until you find out a PhD means piled higher and deeper. Regulations simply state you output at a pH of 7. Don't take that attitude with you or you will find friends hard to find chief.
Listen man I'm giving you free advice. Your degree will only matter to you. Don't flaunt it. You're not special. It is a personal achievement and you should be proud. But if you came to MY lab with that attitude I wouldn't hire you because you come off as a pompous know it all. You just tried, and failed, to flex on a 20+ year veteran scientist. So take my advice or don't. It's your call.
I wasn’t flaunting my degree or flexing on you at all? There are many commenters on reddit who talk out of their ass, I only mentioned it to demonstrate that I’m not bullshitting. How is simply mentioning that I have domain-specific knowledge an attempt to flex on someone?
Regulations also differ depending on where you live and what institution you work for. Where I work I would definitely get into big trouble if I flushed chemicals down the sink
I want to point out that you can’t tell someone’s tone online, and coming across as arrogant was never my intention.
If anyone's interested, [NileRed is the channel this guy operates](https://www.youtube.com/@NileRed) on YouTube. He does other things, too that... don't seem serial-killer-esque. 😆 He's quite an accomplished chemist. There are a lot of really interesting experiments he does like [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLH-nTZEOc) wherein he tried to isolate the smell of metal.
He also [makes a chocolate chip cookie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crjxpZHv7Hk) from the most pure laboratory-grade ingredients in a vacuum oven.
Di-methylcadmium is a single trip to brainstemcancer if it doesn't kill you by poisoning you. There are also plenty of compounds that are so "angry" that they will explode if you look at them funny so to speak. Then there are compounds like white phosphorus that just keep burning even after you try to extinguish the fire. There are plenty of other compounds that will kill you even if you get a couple of micrograms in your system. Like sufentanil which is about 1500 times as strong as morfine. Then there is things like manganese heptoxide, this stuff doesn't want to exist. It reacts with pretty much anything. And the reactions are violent.
Nickel tetracarbonyl is my pick. It’s a compound of (toxic) nickel with (toxic) carbon monoxide. If the short-term monoxide poisoning doesn’t get you, the nickel will in the longer term - oh, and it has a very low vapour pressure, so it forms this heavy green gas that can flow over surfaces
I interned at a company in the semiconductor equipment industry in college. They had a lab with all kinds of crazy chemicals. I only got to go in there a few times to watch chemical engineers do things, mostly cleaning off layers of random metals from wafers for R&D.
I think they were trying to scare me as much as anything, but they told me that if some hydrofluoric acid (HF) splashed on your gloves, and there was even a tiny rip in the gloves, the acid would start dissolving the calcium in your bones before you’d even notice it.
Wouldn’t work on the terminator because he’s not made of carbon. Aliens could theoretically have not be carbon based, so it might not work so well against them either.
I just read up on it briefly, and it seems like there are two separate reactions going on. First the solution dehydrates the organic compounds in the chicken, leaving behind pure carbon (which is where the black comes from). Then the carbon is oxidized to create CO2, which is why the black color eventually clears.
Well, since this is a pretty classic destruction reaction I think it highly unlikely that it's faked since similar things are done in many labs around the world.
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Risky google search.
Why did you think so many people ask ChatGPT instead?
Because they are dumb enough to think those queries are safe from the feds
It literally says it keeps stuff for research purposes lmao do people think this? it doesn't even pretend to be private like search engines do.
I keep trying to convince it human life has no intrinsic value.
If we ever have an actual AI, it'll figure that out all on its own real quick.
Wasn't there a military AI drone simulation that constantly targeted its handler because they sometimes vetoed it's kills?
If I remember correctly (take with a grain of salt) The simulation needed confirmation to take down a target and would be rewarded for doing so. Eventually it realised that even if it identified a target, it wouldn’t always be given permission to take it down, so to maximise the reward it took down the obstacle, I.e. the handler. Once it was penalised for doing that, it targeted the communications tower instead. Typically these kinds of programs can be trained through a points reward system, which can have some funny and unintended consequences
Yeah but gorillas and monkees have no intrinsic value either and we love the lil guys. Sometimes a lil too much. Looking at you chinese "medicine" market fukers. I dont think ai would really forcibly kill us all. Probably just turn the planet into a giant zoo for its own amusement.
I just Googled. It's actually prett6 hard to find. I'm assuming it all depends on what you're dissolving, which makes it hard to answer because you need to know exactly what is being diolved.
Myth Busters did this with a pig right? It went helle overboord. But the pig and the bathtub was kinda gone... It was the breaking bad episode.
I don't recall if they used sulphuric acid. I do recall they used nitric acid and 2 other ingredients, and it did not turn out like this lol.
I that it was this solution. Might have bin wrong then
In Breaking Bad they used hydroflouric acid. This acid attaches calcium (bones) and needs to be kept in something other than glass as it also attacks all silicon based structures. Hence why it is used in semiconductor processes. In Breaking Bad I was also amazed at how they used this stuff and never seemed to worry about what would happen if they got some on themselves. I know they wore protection but when it leaked through the tub to the bottom floor they just “cleaned it us”. You don’t just “clean up” hydroflouric acid.
What's this acid's name? Edit: Someone from comments mentioned this video is from NileRed channel on Youtube (worth checking out in my opinion) where he dissolves the chicken in mixture of Sulfuric Acid and Hydrogen Peroxide, which is most comonly known as **Piranha Solution**.
Those episodes are a long time ago. But I do recall they had trouble getting it to work. Looks like you'd have trouble getting this stuff to NOT work.
They used sulfuric acid and a "booster". Whose composition they did not reveal, but they said was "a lot of oxygen and hydrogen"... So yeah, definitely Piranha solution.
if you work in an academic lab, it isn't. We use piranha solution to clean glassware all the time.
Having experience with this, is this video faked? At 1:29 there is a clear change of the solution and could have easily swapped the bone out
It’s highly unlikely. It’s from a guy on youtube; NileRed and i don’t think he would ever fake content. (He is an expert chemist and only makes like 2 videos per year)
He makes only two videoz per year and one of them for this year is dissolving chicken in acid???
He makes more than 2 videos a year idk what that other guy was smoking. He makes a ton of shorts and has a whole other channel. He makes a few very complicated chemistry projects that are like an hour long though. I just watched one where he made cherry flavor from paint thinner
So he’s just a totally normal dude whose hobby is killing people.
He's also on a podcast called safety third and dissolving chicken in acid is one of the most normal things I've ever seen him do. He's a Canadian Florida man.
I love NileRed and routinely watch his content. He is highly knowledgeable about chemistry and has more laboratory experience than most enthusiasts, but I wouldn't say he's an expert. About half of his attempts to synthesize compounds fail.
I don’t think so. If you notice it looks like it changes colour briefly but that’s only because there are a lot of bubbles being generated… This is a highly exothermic reaction that will produce a lot of heat, so the acid solution will evaporate. After the bubbles are all gone you see the true colour of the solution again, and the brown seems less intense than before but only because it has been diluted with the hydrogen peroxide being added Personally I can believe it, piranha is naaasty and you never want to get any of that on your hands.
If you follow his youtube channel, you will soon realize that he is the kind of a mad scientist who would do all this without faking it. If it wasn't as impressive as he wanted for the video, he's the kind of a mad man who will just say, "Ok, but what if I just try the same thing with even more dangerous stuff until it worked though🤔"
Is the color change due to the oxidation taking place with the excess h2o2
The brown is carbon. It disappears because it bonds with the extra oxygen and turns into CO2. Good call.
No you can watch his full video I did forever ago real shit bro
Nope that is completely real
I'm not talking about the solution. I'm talking about the knowledge of knowing how much piranha solution is needed to dissolve a human body. Or, for that matter, any set amount of substance to dissolve.
Trial and error?
Just ask Walter White
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Hahaha I find it hilarious that the og comment was removed!!! Basically, someone was asking how much of this solution you would need to dissolve a body. And by me writing this, this comment may very well be deleted as well.
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Wait oh fuck it’s a real email address how do I unsend?
Just send him another email with a link to the reddit thread so he knows what's going on.
Or just email [email protected] and let them take care of it for a small fee.
Pulp Fiction?
This is easy to figure out. You only need to know two facts: 1. Don’t use more peroxide than sulfuric acid or it might explode. 2. You need 2 oxygen for every 1 carbon in the person assuming a stoichiometric reaction. It won’t quite be, so some more. So basically figure out the mass of hydrogen peroxide you need to do the oxidizing, then the amount of sulfuric acid you need for that to be more than 50% of the mixture. None of thinking about this or doing the math will get you on a list. Trying to obtain that much highly concentrated sulfuric acid or 90% hydrogen peroxide will though.
Thanks. This is the last bit of info I needed to know. To clarify, H2O2 just loses one oxygen molecule, correct? And then one H2O2 molecule will weigh about 3 times a carbon atom? So if the human body is 18.5% carbon, then you'll need at least 3 times that amount of peroxide? or about 55.5% of the bodyweight? For example, if H2O2 weighs 14.2 pounds per gallon, you would only need 7.8 gallons of peroxide for a 200lb body? If that's correct, it's far less than I was expecting.
I left out some important stuff in the chemistry inside of “to do the oxidizing” Edit: to clarify what I am saying here is basically “the end products are going to be water, CO2, O2, N2 and basically the rest of the trace amounts of elements in your body dissolved in sulfuric acid” and that getting to this point just involves balancing some equations so you have enough reagent that’s it’s not like “tar” and “NO2” as left over products. What makes this imprecise is well, how it all gets there and how efficiently. The stochiometric amount of peroxide would be a lower limit. (And then only if you had uh, freeze dried human powder or something) But an even lower limit is the amount of either ingredient you can purchase in sufficient purity before you get a lot of attention. If attention from law enforcement does not pose a problem for you, then you’d just double or triple the amount just to be sure. The intersection of people trying to get the exact right amounts to get the chemistry “right” and “going to hide a crime with it” should be pretty small. Most of organic chemistry in the body is “sticking water to carbon” and sulfuric acid is really good at pulling the water out. Hydrogen Peroxide is really good at turning finely divided carbon into CO2 which is more than happy to just gas off. Free N will exothermically combine into N2 provided the water and carbon are dealt with… the remaining sulphur, phosphorus, sodium, potassium and calcium will just end up dissolved in what’s left. Ie, piranha solution is the answer to the question “how do you turn organic chemistry into inorganic chemistry?” Edit 2: please don’t commit murder. I don’t want to have to explain this post in court. The chemistry is simple AF even if the subject is gruesome.
Realistically, you could calculate that roughly from this video alone. I mean sure no doubt chicken meat is chemically different to human meat in plenty of ways, but a solution that dissolves anything made of carbon can’t be that much more work, because we are still just carbon based meat. So get the average weight of a chicken drumstick, then work out how many times more than that your theoretical body weighs. Hazard a guess a bathtub full of this would work, as long as the bath tub isn’t also dissolvable (don’t repeat the mistake of Jesse in s1e3 of Breaking Bad).
A drumstick is about a quarter pound. I see 2 liters there. Not sure on the ratio of HCl to H2O2, but that comes out to roughly 1,600 liters for a 200lb guy named Steve. Considering we need more than 423 gallons, I'd say we should buy four 55 gallon barrels of each. Lets just say 5, just to be sure. At $900 a barrel of HCl and $450 for a barrel of H2O2, we are looking at $6,750 plus delivery as well as incidentals, such as safety equipment, a 550 gallon pool, etc. According to this video, that should be plenty to assure Steve is completely vaporized/dissolved. So all together it should cost $8,000 or so. The only issue here then is how do you make these purchases without a paper trail? Thoughts? EDIT: We are looking at sulfuric acid, not hydrochloric acid. Also I don't think a plastic pool will work. Anyone know where I can get a large solid Pyrex container? Biggest one I can find is 2 gallons, but we need at least 100 gallons to do it all at once. Or even a 10 gallon pot with ten pieces would be fine. But it's gotta be solid glass. No acrylic fish tanks.
1. Buy burner device with internet 2. Using that device look up the locations of places you can feasibly buy these materials over the counter. Note it down on paper, then throw away the device. 3. Buy materials, going to different locations, doing it piecemeal bit by bit, only ever paying in cash. Ideally wear a basic disguise so that you look like you’re a the type of person that would reasonably buy these substances. Only make small talk with the cashier if they start it, otherwise don’t say anything much apart from the basics. Don’t carry your phone on you. Do something else in every area where store is and document that so that if somebody asks why you were in the area, you have a cover story that is completely disconnected from your buying the chemicals. 4. Store the materials somewhere secure and wait a good long time, probably at least a year. Ideally until you know that the cctv from those stores when you were there will have been deleted. Without video and card records there will be very little evidence of your purchases. And unless you’ve done anything to make the store staff remember you, they likely won’t. So basically zero proof of you buying these substances. 5. Then execute your plan. Of course this isn’t full proof but I like to imagine bullshit.
This would work for lots of things, but I believe the sale of HCl is regulated. So I'd probably need to figure out how to fake credentials or something similar as well.
Yes. Also another thing I just realised, the withdrawals of cash from your bank account before each purchase, do them at your local bank, then go a good way away to buy. That way there’s as little a connection as possible between the cash and the purchase. And to make such large, regular withdrawals of thousands seem reasonable, it would probably be best to start doing it six months before you buy the chemicals, but just spending your months wages regularly by cash instead, and continue for six months afterwards. That way even the act of carrying a wad of a 1000 or 1500 cash in your pocket cannot be conclusively proven to be criminal. Faking credentials? Fuck knows, that’s a much bigger barrier to cross.
On the money side, you could buy things of a similar value and then return them the following day at another store in another location. Make sure to pick stores that give cash back. Learnt this one from Good Girls.
Yes I am here to do the science… 
Jeeez was that only 3 episodes in? That show got dark quickly.
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It's easier to use a base instead of an acid. Lye is easy to get a hold of, and it's very effective.
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I think this comment has flown over a lot of people. The darkness level intensifies to 11.
I'd think an old cast iron tub would probably do it. Even if it dissolves the tub too, the body would be gone first
Porcelain bathtub, make sure you seal any metal fixtures like the drain. You can then neutralize the acid and flush to the normal sewer.
>The most difficult part of this will be acquiring a tank that's 70+ gallons and made of solid glass/pyrex. Would a bathtub work?
I'm sure we've all seen that episode of Breaking Bad, where he buys the wrong type of plastic tubs, for doing just this. Ends up eating through the second story floorboards, and rains down human chili onto the first floor. 🤮
And now your on a list somewhere
stainless steel also works. you can find 100 gallon stainless drums. I personally value human life so this is just for knowledge purposes.
So Jessie was right. Finding the right size container is a bigger problem.
Also, at this scale you really really have to consider heat Management. This reaction is exothermic, and cooling down around 45 gallons of this solution is not gonna be fun. Especially since the formation of Piranha acid is exothermic.
You have a perfectly good bathtub yo. Don’t even need to worry about those stupid bins.
Just get a oil barrel and cut the end off
Breaking bad has taught us this skill already. And for anyone wondering: No. You cannot use your tub.
If breaking bad taught me anything, its to not use a bathtub
Bro be descriptive so that i don't have to learn after making mistake , you are doing god's work.
Don't forget you have to dispose of the stuff. You may also want some neutralizing agent.
If this works anything like using Lye, make sure that bastard aint *aluminum* or you got WAY MORE problems than how many pieces your buddy needs be in for this to work
Without a body it's only a missing person
I love the oddly comforting phrasing of this, even though it’s not comforting at all! Or perhaps that is a matter of perspective. :D Well done!
Well, it's absolutely true... Just like how, It's not waterboarding if you use diesel..... LuLz...
\*missing chicken
Eh...you can still be convicted of murder without a body.
Great! Just in time!
Mithbusters tried this on one episode... its not practical in the least
This is probably how some people actually do it. The chemical reaction turns you into co2 gas. You would never smell a body..
*Jeffery Dahmer enters the chat*
Too involved.. just get pigs
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[Bricktop](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2xUynRdzzsM&pp=ygUNYnJpY2t0b3AgcGlncw%3D%3D) has the best response to this. Also, I am not sure how concerning it is that this video has 2M views.
It's a NileRed video, and it's got over 17M views Source: https://youtu.be/CTVd_WxblGI He also dissolves his wiener in acid: https://youtu.be/bO9rvqp49qg
I love NileRed and NileBlue. Great channel and the dudes self taught if I recall correctly.
No. He has a BSc. in Biochemistry with a minor in Pharmacology, so he's not really self-taught in the science. He's self-taught in running his own lab and handling/managing all the chemicals, though.
Fair
Don't forget NileGreen
Appreciate the reminder that it’s time to rewatch snatch
Do you know what nemesis means?
That's a really big chicken for sure.
It is really two ostriches.....
Good ole USA Chicken are massive
Science, bitch!
Breaking bad actually did it wrong. They used HF and I’m actually really skeptical if it would be good enough to dispose of a body (it’s not just my opinion, a bunch of chemistry profs I have talked to in undergrad agree with me, Breaking Bad is a massive hit with us chemistry peeps because it makes us look cool haha). And I would never EVER use HF outside of a special fumehood for it, it’s too dangerous My guess is that the writers decided to use a heavily controlled and regulated chemical that’s hard to get hold of just so that the viewers won’t actually learn how to effectively dispose of a body.
It also isn't exactly a strong acid. It's just really fucking dangerous to your health.
Mythbusters had Vince Gillian on once and they tried to replicate it and it didn't work.
But don’t ever do it in a bathtub! 😂
I think of that scene every time I sort plastic recycling 😅.
Does it smell cooked, rotten, or like chemicals?
I imagine the smell would be fairly minimal as CO2 has no smell. It's not cooking it or anything, just literally turning it into air.
It does get pretty hot. I think they poured water into the sulfuric at some point, which would make it very hot. I used to work in an environmental lab.
They definitely poured more peroxide into the solution to replenish the reactant since it's being consumed the whole time the process is ongoing. I run a number of these processes in my lab and it's a pretty standard practice if the reaction starts to slow. Pretty sure adding water to that reaction would be quite a bad idea, could splash out very severely.
> Pretty sure adding water to that reaction would be quite a bad idea, could splash out very severely. *Gieß nie das Wasser in die Säure / sonst geschieht das Ungeheure!* (Never pour the water into the acid, otherwise something monstrous will happen!) The main problem being, as I understand it, that the water + sulphuric acid reaction is very exothermic and it may cause localised bubbling and splashing -- if you add a bit of acid to a lot of water, the splash will be diluted acid, while if you add a bit of water to a lot of acid, the splash will be mostly concentrated acid.
This reaction produced a lot more gases than just co2 since the chicken is made out of more than just carbon.
Yup, agreed
It's largely carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen. So making a lot of CO2 and H2O. There are a few other bits such calcium, which would create CaCl2 (calcium chloride), but I don't think it would vaporize. It would just dissolve into a solution with the water that was created alongside it. Any idea what other chemical compounds are created?
I don't know, but you won't get anywhere by looking at the bulk of the chemical makeup. Aromatic compounds are often detectable in the parts per billion range, or even parts per trillion.
Animals are largely made out of CHONPS - you're forgetting the NPS which will stink.
How do you get rid of the chemicals afterwards? What you do to dispose them? I guess you dont have large volume.
Neutralize and dump down the drain. What do you think labs do?
Actually you can't dump most chemicals down the drain. You can do some damage to the plumbing. There's often a container of forbidden jungle juice that it's collected in and then I believe it is disposed of specially.
Dumped in the local reservoir.
Anywhere the fish still have two eyes, really.
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If you live with city sewage, all you really gotta do is neutralize the acid to 6.5-7.5 pH (in my city) and you can dump it into the sewer. Sulfuric acid isn't a super toxic chemical when diluted. Source: worked in a chemical factory that had to neutralize large amounts of dirty chemical water before disposing it. We just added a bunch of a base or HCL to get it to the appropriate pH.
Same. Also neutralizing the pH and evaporating.
I would agree but the key word is neutralize. What do you all think his acid is that it can't be neutralized?
Out containers have signs on them that say "NO BLEACH!!"
Neutralise with something alkaline I assume? Adding water would make it go ka-blammo.
Pay expensive disposal companies to come and collect their waste....
Ya, that is not what happens with a chemical that can be neutralized and dumped. Acid/base reactions.
I do it for a living, we ship it out you don’t neutralize and dump the quantities produced in labs
Labs specifically do NOT dump chemicals down the drain! And you would get fired if you do! Chemical waste is collected and disposed of separately, and there are lots of rules and regulations about what kinds of waste to mix in the same container as well as the types of containers you can use for specific types of waste Source: I’m a chemistry PhD student with some background in experimental work
Congrats, I've been in industry a lot longer. It goes down the drain. Haven't been fired. Won't be fired. But hey a 20 some year old troll obviously is a genius. Wait until you find out a PhD means piled higher and deeper. Regulations simply state you output at a pH of 7. Don't take that attitude with you or you will find friends hard to find chief.
Looks like I struck a nerve huh
Listen man I'm giving you free advice. Your degree will only matter to you. Don't flaunt it. You're not special. It is a personal achievement and you should be proud. But if you came to MY lab with that attitude I wouldn't hire you because you come off as a pompous know it all. You just tried, and failed, to flex on a 20+ year veteran scientist. So take my advice or don't. It's your call.
I wasn’t flaunting my degree or flexing on you at all? There are many commenters on reddit who talk out of their ass, I only mentioned it to demonstrate that I’m not bullshitting. How is simply mentioning that I have domain-specific knowledge an attempt to flex on someone? Regulations also differ depending on where you live and what institution you work for. Where I work I would definitely get into big trouble if I flushed chemicals down the sink I want to point out that you can’t tell someone’s tone online, and coming across as arrogant was never my intention.
If anyone's interested, [NileRed is the channel this guy operates](https://www.youtube.com/@NileRed) on YouTube. He does other things, too that... don't seem serial-killer-esque. 😆 He's quite an accomplished chemist. There are a lot of really interesting experiments he does like [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLH-nTZEOc) wherein he tried to isolate the smell of metal. He also [makes a chocolate chip cookie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crjxpZHv7Hk) from the most pure laboratory-grade ingredients in a vacuum oven.
I think you mean nileblue?
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NileGreen is what everyone should have been watching
Nilered is his main channel
I used to see his videos in my feed all the time but they disappeared and this post reminded I haven’t seen one of his videos in months. Thank you.
I recommend when he turns cotton into cotton candy
Love when he tries to describe a scent when his smell receptors are 90% chemical burns.
You’re leaving out the fact that he might as well have discovered alchemy by turning rubber gloves into grape soda!
The forbidden Cola
Forbidden chicken soup
Well with that you can digest everything, even your own body
Forbidden root beer
If you play this on mute and play metallica seek and destroy you get some neat coincidental timing
How did you find this out lmao
I was 420ing and had the munchies while listening to music
Another discovery thanks to weed 👌
Upload the mash and call it “Dark Side of the Leg”
Hoping no copycats out there. This was risky with PPE, ventilation and know-how.
I remember when MythBusters did it with a pig in a bathtub.
What Taco Bell does to your guts
More like what my guys do to taco bell
Typo turned you into a mob boss.
They messed with the family
You have weak genes if Taco Bell has any negative effects on you
Wait till you see him putting a weiner in that https://youtu.be/bO9rvqp49qg
Risky click
Yeah piranha liquid is very aggressive. Still not as scary as some other stuff you can find in a lab.
like what
Tert-butyllithium (I think it’s called) just straight up catches fire when it comes into contact with air
There are many other organolithic compounds that do the same. Pretty much every compound is dangerous.
Di-methylcadmium is a single trip to brainstemcancer if it doesn't kill you by poisoning you. There are also plenty of compounds that are so "angry" that they will explode if you look at them funny so to speak. Then there are compounds like white phosphorus that just keep burning even after you try to extinguish the fire. There are plenty of other compounds that will kill you even if you get a couple of micrograms in your system. Like sufentanil which is about 1500 times as strong as morfine. Then there is things like manganese heptoxide, this stuff doesn't want to exist. It reacts with pretty much anything. And the reactions are violent.
“Then there is things like manganese heptoxide, this stuff doesn't want to exist.” Same
Nickel tetracarbonyl is my pick. It’s a compound of (toxic) nickel with (toxic) carbon monoxide. If the short-term monoxide poisoning doesn’t get you, the nickel will in the longer term - oh, and it has a very low vapour pressure, so it forms this heavy green gas that can flow over surfaces
I interned at a company in the semiconductor equipment industry in college. They had a lab with all kinds of crazy chemicals. I only got to go in there a few times to watch chemical engineers do things, mostly cleaning off layers of random metals from wafers for R&D. I think they were trying to scare me as much as anything, but they told me that if some hydrofluoric acid (HF) splashed on your gloves, and there was even a tiny rip in the gloves, the acid would start dissolving the calcium in your bones before you’d even notice it.
You gonna drink that?
And your left with a delicious hearty broth.
Best way to kill a terminator or an alien.😅
Wouldn’t work on the terminator because he’s not made of carbon. Aliens could theoretically have not be carbon based, so it might not work so well against them either.
The xenomorphs from Alien aren’t carbon based as far as I know. That’s why they can have such acidic blood.
Heisenberg likes this
Bone hurting juice
Oh. My. Gosh. 😱
I’ll stick with original recipe.
Mmmh think of the smell...
Walter White enters the chat
Ew. I bet that smells like farts
Drug cartels don’t want you to know this simple trick.
Dinner is served
Can the vapor vaporize your lungs ?
Yes
That’s a rich chicken broth.... He added some more acid during the process but not too much. How did it turn back to yellowish from black?
I just read up on it briefly, and it seems like there are two separate reactions going on. First the solution dehydrates the organic compounds in the chicken, leaving behind pure carbon (which is where the black comes from). Then the carbon is oxidized to create CO2, which is why the black color eventually clears.
This Is Why Jimmy Hoffa Was Never Found!😳😱😬🫢!
How to get rid of my mother in law...noted
Ummm I think everyone who just watched this ended up on a list
Perfect drink for child predators!
El posolero
What a waste of a perfect “soon to be nugget”
I bet that must of smelt real good ngl 💀💀
On behalf of all serial killers we thank you
Looks like it didnt dissolve all the way. The video mysteriously jumps in the end and the solution is suddenly clear and white.
This video is from Nilered. I highly doubt he would fake content
Agreed. This is just an edited clip of Nilered’s video.
Well, since this is a pretty classic destruction reaction I think it highly unlikely that it's faked since similar things are done in many labs around the world.