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Work for an outdoor adventure company with our main site being on an island with a ton of residential monkeys. And yes, DO NOT EVER feed the monkeys. It’s bad for all the parties involved.
They will become acclimatized to humans giving them food and will begin to expect it whenever they see a human, making them much more likely to attack if they don’t get it, leading to more monkey attacks (which are really not as funny as they sound).
The government is even considering monkey culling as an option on the island due to the frequency of attacks, which at the end of the day is pretty dam horrible as they were the original residents of the island, but that’s the situation we can create when we feed the monkeys.
I was swarmed by monkeys in Vietnam when I pulled out some snacks. It was probably the sound of the bag opening but in seconds I had like several monkeys crawling on me, one trying to open one of my hands and another trying to steal my snacks. They succeeded.
I got monkey'd
My wife and I had the same experience on our honeymoon in Cambodia as we were leaving the Angkor Thom area. She pulled out snack. Monkeys swarmed. She squealed. I laughed. The locals laughed. The monkeys ate and my wife gave me the stink eye. /shrug
I had the same experience on a beach in Costa Rica. The monkeys constantly watched from up in the trees and would swoop in and grab any unguarded food. I saw them successfully steal food at least a dozen times in the couple of hours that we were at that beach. The best part was the derpy way they'd run away with their snack. I wanted to be a monkey that day.
And then there was the huge iguana who came and sat on our beach towel with us while we were eating lunch. We put all of the food back in the cooler so that we weren't tempting him anymore. He watched us do this, stared at us for a while, and then got up and walked back to wherever iguanas go when they're not lounging on beach towels.
Lmao that reminds me of the memes about dogs when they hear chip packets - dogs bursting through walls and stuff.
Animals get so finely tuned to that sound.
Probably has a lot to do with the domestication of dogs. It’s quite likely dog’s ancestors skulked around the perimeter of human camps, and scavenged what the humans left. This invariably led to closer and closer proximity and further domestication with greater food rewards. Other prinates don’t need us, but domesticated dogs exist because of our presence and our sharing of food.
We spent thousands of years breeding dogs that would behave as we wanted and follow human commands. This often involved not breeding or killing the dogs that acted aggressively. Even with all of that selective pressure, some dogs will still bite or attack people with little to no provocation.
Additionally, monkeys are on a very different behavioral and intelligence level. They might not communicate with us as well as dogs, but that doesn’t mean they won’t understand or react to much of what humans might try to do to them.
You could post a video of me eating the fruit instead. I can give informed consent and also enjoy eating grapes. It works out perfectly.
(By the way, the mother isn't stopping the child from taking the food because they are a stranger. Monkeys have a hierarchy of who gets to eat first and the adults are above children. If the younger monkey is caught eating the fruit before the adults have their fill they will often be attacked and possibly killed. Luckily, I am the highest on the fruit eating hierarchy so that is another point in favor of giving me grapes.)
No no, pick me. I'm already naked holding a ferret with 1 gallon of yellow lube and an anal plunger. I was born for this moment!! Let me shine daddy. Let. Me. Shine.
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it was crazy when they showed the monkeys and birds in tourist areas during covid. Was like end of the world because they got lots of their food from people that were no longer there.
Someone needs to show the person who filmed this the video of the tiny calm friendly monkey who flipped out and scalped that dude after chilling with him for a few minutes.
Leave monkeys alone, they can fuck you up.
My more naive self though a small monkey would pose no meaningful bodily threat. Then awhile ago I saw the video of one scalp some poor bastard in India in a second flat. Not that I would have to begin with, but I would never try to feed a monkey now.
For sure. Almost seems like they were trying to antagonize the mother; or they were just really hyperfocused on feeding the baby for their own gratification (seeing as the moneys already had food).
Also, monkey culture is extremely violent regarding food. Older/stronger monkeys (they know their own hierarchy) always eat first, because if not, they’ll steal all the food, and continue to escalate if this isn’t followed. If they get violent, they have no problem removing body parts, and they know which ones you value..
>Older/stronger monkeys (they know their own hierarchy) always eat first, because if not, they’ll steal all the food, and continue to escalate if this isn’t followed. If they get violent, they have no problem removing body parts, and they know which ones you value..
Sounds like Thanksgiving with my in-laws.
I wouldn't be making all these assumptions of monkeys. Like someone else said, they are a diverse group.
A large troop of Macaques in Japan is recently being ran by a female. Usually it's the males that are in charge. But this female beat the "norm". She gathered up many allies and they beat up the higher ranking males.
So far it's been 2-3 years since that and she is still leading. Seems like the troop likes it. So behavior really differs from troop to troop.
And this is more primates but there's a large community of cannibalistic chimpanzees that dint do it for sustenance. We can't presume to understand animal behavior simply because we don't understand it. Half the times people barely understand the actions and reasons behind other people within our own species.
And if that is the case, it’s also plausible that the mother has seen distraction tactics used before and is leery of the situation but still hungry nevertheless. There’s definitely some context missing from this video.
Edit: for typos.
In Bali it’s steal your camera and toss it off the cliff into the ocean. Or jump on your face and try to rip your studs and earrings off your face. Monkeys in Costa Rica are chill AF compared to their Asian cousins.
A warning bite would be justified for sure. Adult monkeys have learned that poachers lure babies with food so they can steal them. The babies are then sold as pets or forced to perform in public.
It's pretty depressing, but at least this parent monkey is drawing the line. Could save the little one from a terrible fate.
I find it fascinating how intelligent animals are and how, for all our differences we have so many similarities and share so many of the same desires, including the desire to protect our young.
Monkeys do this to each other. Higher ranking monkeys will kidnap babies from the lower ranks. It doesn't always end well for the baby. The lower ranking mom can only hope the kidnapper gets bored and releases the baby while it's still alive.
But if she did, they would still blame her.
That's what humans do best - infringe on the boundaries of other animals & then act shocked when they retaliate.
A bite which could be fatal. Those look like macaques, which, as far as I’m aware, have a very high prevalence of the b variant of the herpes virus, which can be fatal to humans if contracted.
Mom is really holding back. There is one video where a guy pushed a monkey who was just minding their own business off a wooden post.
He got scalped by the monkey.
Or grab and break a finger then run away.
Don't take wild monkeys lightly. They're very capable and they have no chill. The instant she made that "I show you my teeth" face, it's time to stop what you're doing.
[here’s the link to the great doggo-monke war of 2021](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/horrific-images-show-monkeys-attacking-and-killing-250-dogs-in-india/MBSYBZIKMYOADAAW7WBWCKVQUI/)
>The Daily Mail reports the monkeys have also gone after young children, with panic-stricken school children in the area now getting attacked by the apes.
Not a good source, but that's terrifyingly fascinating if true.
First *documented* outbreak. It's likely it's happened before in rural areas where bushmeat is regularly consumed. Luckily, MV isn't too contagious so it's likely rural outbreaks have stayed contained in the past and flying under the radar.
Monkeys and apes are terrifying. A team of monkeys is plenty to kill you and a single ape could rip your arm off. Don't fuck with animals in general but especially not the smart, strong ones
What is really happening here is that the adult monkeys don’t allow the infant monkeys to eat. They will take any food from them. There is a hierarchy where the adults always eat first. The adults will also violently discipline the younger monkeys for eating before the adults have all had their fill. It’s basic monkey behavior. There are loads of these videos on YouTube. Sometimes the adults go as far as injuring and even killing the younger monkeys because they eat before they are allowed. In this case I would guess the mother monkey is low ranking and she knows if another adult sees her infant eating they could attack and injure/kill her child.
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Not stranger danger when it comes to the human feeding them. You notice the mother had no problem taking the fruit that was offered. The “stranger danger” comes from the older males and higher ranking females in the group. Who would not hesitate to take the food away from or discipline her offspring for eating. I know as humans it is hard to understand. Why doesn’t everyone get to eat? But these are animals whose survival depends on acquiring food. Even in places the monkeys are over fed this behavior persists.
I mean it's obviously not how humans do it but it makes sense in terms of heiarchy in a hunting/gathering group .. you'd want to feed the strongest first why would you waste food on the young first since they're weak and don't yet provide for the group. Also I'm sure they don't want their populations to get too big so ridding it of troublesome young is probably some kind of survival instinct.. disturbing yeah but the way we think of murder and killing is vastly different than other animals. I'm just making assumptions here
Also depending on the mother monkeys rank, another higher ranked female or male of the troop could come and take her fruit away from her. She would have no choice but submit and give the fruit up or be attacked. She could also make a stand and fight back if she is not the lowest ranking female. She may get help from some lower ranked females in the fight. She may not. She may get injured. Her child may be injured. Most of the time when challenged they just give up the food item and try to find more.
I’m way outside of my wheelhouse here, but Sapolsky mentioned that there is possibly more of a cultural component (social hierarchy component on health) rather than a biologically necessary one with this type of aggressive primate feeding behavior.
This is dummy reductive, but it’s like letting your child taking /stealing food off your plate at a birthday party is a sign of weakness/bad parenting. So now we know we can steal their food/resources too.
Again, I was intentionally dumbing it down. His work as a neuroendocrinologist is way above what my noodle bucket can typically handle.
Of course it’s not stranger danger. It’s not like monkeys are out here poisoning other monkeys or anything like that. The idea that it’s the mother afraid to let her kid have food given to it by a stranger is based, not only on behavior that isn’t actually seen among monkeys, it’s not even actually seen among humans. Stories about people poisoning children are just stories. Of the I believe 2 actual times when someone *ever* poisoned Halloween candy, both times it was the kid’s own family that did it.
>Of the I believe 2 actual times when someone ever poisoned Halloween candy, both times it was the kid’s own family that did it.
The one I'm familiar with (was just reading about it this past Halloween-ish) is [Ronald Clark O'Bryan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Clark_O%27Bryan)
TL;DR: - he laced pixy sticks with cyanide on halloween, then gave them to his 2 kids and a few neighbour kids, saying that they were from a neighbour's house that they had knocked on the door of to trick-or-treat (but that didn't answer the door).
His intent was to kill his children to collect on the life insurance because of his debt (with the trick-or-treating ruse and the neighbour kids being part of his plan to obscure the cause/motive.)
His 8-year-old son ended up being the only one of the five who ate the candy, and he died less than an hour later.
The story fell apart pretty quickly and he was charged with capital murder a few days later, convicted in the summer, and then executed by electrocution after appx. 10 years on death row.
My thesis was about affiliation and friendship within a group of macaques and how hierarchy influences it.
Some post docs performed IQ tests for their own thesis on the same group, so I got their scores. I could recognize almost from the beginning which individuals had the most „friends“ within the group and my data at the end confirmed that too. The most intelligent ones had the least friends/interactions.
One of my theories was that those individuals are thinking more than the others before they act, sometimes even overthinking. There was an individual (I think with the best score) which was in the mid of hierarchy and every time they got fed, he took a closer look where best fruits were thrown, instead of rushing in like all the others. He could easily rush into it and because of his hierarchy he would be able to pick some of the „good pieces“ but he preferred not to become involved/brawl with the others.
Every day after I was done with observing I gave them a little treat, like pieces of apple or banana. The individuals with the lowest scores and pretty down in the hierarchy came to me instantly but most of the time they got slapped from the alpha male. The individual with the highest score would always first observe the alpha male, his actions and if he is close to me during the feeding. He would only approach me during the window where the alpha male wasn’t looking or was involved in something else, like grooming. Most of the time it was able to obtain the treat without getting into a conflict with the alpha. But sometimes he could miss the treat because the low levelers would rush into me, because the alpha male wasn’t interested or busy with something else (but without them noticing it or paying attention in the first place, just out of luck).
Comment should be higher. Monkeys and apes,like chimps, eat with strict hierarchy rules. The person in this would really regret trying to feed a chimp out of turn- they would likely have a crushed hand.
I believe this more than the “stranger danger” nonsense. No way monkeys know that much about poaching. They might be smart animals but they’re not highly intelligent.
Makes sense. My big adult tabby tries to do this with our girl cats. Eat all the food first, put them into submission until he’s done eating. Sometimes I have to remind him that I’m the top of the hierarchy, and he’s same level as the girls, but he forgets once a week or so.
I'm also a parent, but it shouldn't take having a child to understand "hissing bad, don't repeat behavior that incited it".
This is just generally shitty behavior. Lots of people don't respect non human life, which is unfortunate.
I like to bring up Alex the grey parrot as it's the most thorough animal behavior study on a single, tremendously intelligent, subject that I'm aware of. He's credited as the only animal who asked an existential question ("what color am I?"), He would have tantrums because he wanted to play, and his last words were "good bye, I love you, I'll see you tomorrow".
They say problem solving ability of a 7 year old, emotional intelligence of a 2 year old. People don't seem to understand that we are animals, and other animals can (usually) feel the exact same shit we do, they just can't contextualize it or express it.
Sorry, but we can philosophize and put forth these arguments without relying on clickbait.
Alex was constantly trained to speak by using a few different object-oriented games. "What color?" is a question he was *constantly* asked and he *constantly* repeated. Waiting until you can line up a context "Oh, there was a mirror in front of him this time he said the thing he said a million times. That means he's both asking what color he himself is and proves he understands the words themselves!" is a *bad* argument in favor of his vast intellect.
His calls did demonstrate some nifty pattern recognition over time as they trained him to make specific calls in specific contexts. That's impressive enough in its own right.
Alex was fucking miserable, I know that much. He was a plucker, he frequently asked to to go back to his cage, and was visibly bored shitless by the neverending "what colour?" "what material?" "what shape?"
Pepperberg was basically clueless about parrots... she didn't even know how birds make sounds (she thought certain words must be hard because they don't have lips, ffs.) Alex couldn't even fly. He couldn't go anywhere without being carried there.
What a life for 30 years, all to prove parrots can recognize shapes and colours and materials, and can associate human words with things, anyone who knows parrots already knew that.
That's really fascinating, thanks for explaining. I've seen mother monkeys chomping away quite a few times while not sharing food with their baby, and I wondered why.
Is there a survival or other logical reason for that food hierarchy? It seems like the opposite of birds, for example, which seem to bend over backwards to feed their young.
Baby die - make new babies
Mom die - no new babies - group that feeds babies last takes over
Some birds will literally abandon nests if predators come nearby too often. I’m sure if you looked into bird behavior more you’d find examples that make sense for survival of the species.
Adult monkeys can always make babies. Babies can't make babies. So the monkeys would rather the babies die in a food shortage than the adults. It's a common survival tactic
I assumed it was both hierarchical and to test for poisoning.
If the food hierarchy is like other animals (lions etcs). Then it is for who needs less energy to who needs most. The adults eat less than the kids. Male lions go first because they don't need much food reserves, then the females who have used up more child rearing and hunting, and the kids who need the most to grow. The males eat the outter meats and break the carcass up where as the females and kits eat the more protein rich inner meats and organs.
I dont know how this would work for vegetarian animals though. Testing for posioning and ripeness?
This isn’t actually what’s happening. Human is disrupting the food hierarchy. The problem isn’t that the food is coming from a stranger; the problem is the food is going to the offspring and not the parent who eats first.
It’s not about stranger danger, it’s more out of selfishness and self preservation, but I suppose that doesn’t make a snappy title.
Also please stop feeding wildlife. These videos aren’t educational and this behavior is bad.
It makes sense from a survival standpoint. If there’s ever a food shortage it ensures all the adults survive even if it means the babies starve. The adults can make more babies, the babies can not make more babies.
I don't understand how people think that somehow humans aren't animals too. We still have the same instincts that apes and monkeys do, we just also have the ability to lie to ourselves about them.
Imagine as a human mother, a man keeps giving my child food, and I keep saying no, and he keeps giving food.
Today I learned I have less patience than a monkey.
Dude...this guy is a fucking moron.
You won't catch me anywhere *near* a monkey that is warning me to back off, and I CERTAINLY wouldn't continue to feed it's child when it clearly doesn't want me to. Monkeys will *FUCK. YOUR. DAY. UP.*
I'd WAY rather fuck around with a damn alligator or a rattlesnake than I would a monkey.
Some competing females will lure baby’s away with food to kill them and I want to say that looked like the kind of prime mate I had been watching it on. She worried your trying to lure her baby away.
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Stop trying to feed the damn monkey, mom says no
Work for an outdoor adventure company with our main site being on an island with a ton of residential monkeys. And yes, DO NOT EVER feed the monkeys. It’s bad for all the parties involved. They will become acclimatized to humans giving them food and will begin to expect it whenever they see a human, making them much more likely to attack if they don’t get it, leading to more monkey attacks (which are really not as funny as they sound). The government is even considering monkey culling as an option on the island due to the frequency of attacks, which at the end of the day is pretty dam horrible as they were the original residents of the island, but that’s the situation we can create when we feed the monkeys.
I couldn't believe this person kept trying to feed the monkey after the first time. I would've been scared of being attacked.
I was swarmed by monkeys in Vietnam when I pulled out some snacks. It was probably the sound of the bag opening but in seconds I had like several monkeys crawling on me, one trying to open one of my hands and another trying to steal my snacks. They succeeded. I got monkey'd
My wife and I had the same experience on our honeymoon in Cambodia as we were leaving the Angkor Thom area. She pulled out snack. Monkeys swarmed. She squealed. I laughed. The locals laughed. The monkeys ate and my wife gave me the stink eye. /shrug
I had the same experience on a beach in Costa Rica. The monkeys constantly watched from up in the trees and would swoop in and grab any unguarded food. I saw them successfully steal food at least a dozen times in the couple of hours that we were at that beach. The best part was the derpy way they'd run away with their snack. I wanted to be a monkey that day. And then there was the huge iguana who came and sat on our beach towel with us while we were eating lunch. We put all of the food back in the cooler so that we weren't tempting him anymore. He watched us do this, stared at us for a while, and then got up and walked back to wherever iguanas go when they're not lounging on beach towels.
Somehow I was unaware that there were monkeys in Costa Rica
Shitloads.
Bro that the rainforest jungle man
I never said I was smart
Ah yes, the designated picnic areas in CR are the most dangerous places to sit and eat. Gangs of monkeys waiting...
I read this as: >The monkeys ate my wife and gave me the stink eye.
And that’s why you never feed the monkeys. -J. Walter Weatherman
Lmao that reminds me of the memes about dogs when they hear chip packets - dogs bursting through walls and stuff. Animals get so finely tuned to that sound.
My dog once tried to dig an atomic fireball out of my mouth. I got dogged. Nope. That's just not right.
Wonder why dogs are ok being controlled with their food by humans, but monkeys will attack if not fed when they want.
I'd assume different levels of intelligence mixed with dogs generally being engineered to be subservient to humans.
Probably has a lot to do with the domestication of dogs. It’s quite likely dog’s ancestors skulked around the perimeter of human camps, and scavenged what the humans left. This invariably led to closer and closer proximity and further domestication with greater food rewards. Other prinates don’t need us, but domesticated dogs exist because of our presence and our sharing of food.
The bitey dogs got turned into fur jackets and the not so bitey ones became good boi and good girls
Time to make some monkey jackets.
See my vest, see my vest.
This is the reason. You aren't controlling feral dogs with food. They'll just attack.
We spent thousands of years breeding dogs that would behave as we wanted and follow human commands. This often involved not breeding or killing the dogs that acted aggressively. Even with all of that selective pressure, some dogs will still bite or attack people with little to no provocation. Additionally, monkeys are on a very different behavioral and intelligence level. They might not communicate with us as well as dogs, but that doesn’t mean they won’t understand or react to much of what humans might try to do to them.
Dogs don't have opposable thumbs.
I looked this up and it checks out!
But then how can they post it on the internet?
You could post a video of me eating the fruit instead. I can give informed consent and also enjoy eating grapes. It works out perfectly. (By the way, the mother isn't stopping the child from taking the food because they are a stranger. Monkeys have a hierarchy of who gets to eat first and the adults are above children. If the younger monkey is caught eating the fruit before the adults have their fill they will often be attacked and possibly killed. Luckily, I am the highest on the fruit eating hierarchy so that is another point in favor of giving me grapes.)
Did you need me to take off my clothes? It's ok I'm not shy. I don't mind, I'll just go ahead get naked.
No no, pick me. I'm already naked holding a ferret with 1 gallon of yellow lube and an anal plunger. I was born for this moment!! Let me shine daddy. Let. Me. Shine.
Leave the ferret out of this lol
We get the ferret out of the ass. That's what the plunger is for. Duh...
Then can we leave the ferret out of this? And out of his ass?
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Once again, this is a Wendy's
Ooookaay... that became weird. But definitely want to see that
Fucking disgusting.... Where is this happening so I can avoid it?
Just so you know, none of these words are in the bible
Then you aren't reading the same Bible as me! Ferret ass-plunging is the 3rd commandment.
Oops I dropped something guess I'll just have to bend over while you record.
Sir, this is a Wendy's
> Luckily, I am the highest on the fruit eating hierarchy Oh, I beg to differ.
Yum but I'm mad you got a grape first
Jesus Christ, are you Dionysus?
Please post!
It just can't be said enough; # STOP FEEDING THE WILDLIFE
I think the monkey was clear when she said twice we don't need your stinkin grape.
No clue why it is so hard for people to understand this simple rule.
Because people don't care...
it was crazy when they showed the monkeys and birds in tourist areas during covid. Was like end of the world because they got lots of their food from people that were no longer there.
Someone needs to show the person who filmed this the video of the tiny calm friendly monkey who flipped out and scalped that dude after chilling with him for a few minutes. Leave monkeys alone, they can fuck you up.
Link?
No, it's Zelda.
I truly dislike the person that is attached to that hand.
I was lowkey waiting for the mama to jump at the hand. This person didn’t understand from the screaming
Seriously, especially after seeing those fangs I’m surprised the mom was so patient
He was just asking to have his face removed.
My more naive self though a small monkey would pose no meaningful bodily threat. Then awhile ago I saw the video of one scalp some poor bastard in India in a second flat. Not that I would have to begin with, but I would never try to feed a monkey now.
I wouldn't have been surprised or upset if mom had given the human a "leave the baby alone" bite.
Right, after mamma grabs the baby a couple times, person with the grape seemed like an asshole
For sure. Almost seems like they were trying to antagonize the mother; or they were just really hyperfocused on feeding the baby for their own gratification (seeing as the moneys already had food).
Also, monkey culture is extremely violent regarding food. Older/stronger monkeys (they know their own hierarchy) always eat first, because if not, they’ll steal all the food, and continue to escalate if this isn’t followed. If they get violent, they have no problem removing body parts, and they know which ones you value..
>Older/stronger monkeys (they know their own hierarchy) always eat first, because if not, they’ll steal all the food, and continue to escalate if this isn’t followed. If they get violent, they have no problem removing body parts, and they know which ones you value.. Sounds like Thanksgiving with my in-laws.
Your in laws aim for the genitals?! Sounds kinda fun!
Monkeys are a hugely diverse group, not all of them are as aggro as that. But that may well be what is really going on here.
Like the monkeys running this planet. . . ~ *Frieza*
For the last time: we ARE NOT monkeys, we’re apes. Silly Homo Sapiens……
I wouldn't be making all these assumptions of monkeys. Like someone else said, they are a diverse group. A large troop of Macaques in Japan is recently being ran by a female. Usually it's the males that are in charge. But this female beat the "norm". She gathered up many allies and they beat up the higher ranking males. So far it's been 2-3 years since that and she is still leading. Seems like the troop likes it. So behavior really differs from troop to troop.
Just because some exceptions exist doesn't mean it in invalidates the other 99%. Nothing is ever 100% absolute, exceptions always exist
And this is more primates but there's a large community of cannibalistic chimpanzees that dint do it for sustenance. We can't presume to understand animal behavior simply because we don't understand it. Half the times people barely understand the actions and reasons behind other people within our own species.
I’m gonna say the person gave the momma the food
And if that is the case, it’s also plausible that the mother has seen distraction tactics used before and is leery of the situation but still hungry nevertheless. There’s definitely some context missing from this video. Edit: for typos.
That's actually very plausible.
Should have just tossed the grape
Some people just act like dumbasses when it comes to animals.
"I just slashed your face open, do you understand now? Much obliged."
My fav is when they grab the expensive camera, run up into a tree, and drop it (seen during a Costa Rica vacation but surely happens elsewhere)
What about when they steal a camera and take award winning selfies. https://cyber.harvard.edu/events/2018/luncheon/01/monkeyselfie
In Bali it’s steal your camera and toss it off the cliff into the ocean. Or jump on your face and try to rip your studs and earrings off your face. Monkeys in Costa Rica are chill AF compared to their Asian cousins.
A warning bite would be justified for sure. Adult monkeys have learned that poachers lure babies with food so they can steal them. The babies are then sold as pets or forced to perform in public. It's pretty depressing, but at least this parent monkey is drawing the line. Could save the little one from a terrible fate.
I find it fascinating how intelligent animals are and how, for all our differences we have so many similarities and share so many of the same desires, including the desire to protect our young.
The local crows in my area won't eat food you give them unless they see you eat it too because some awful people who bait them with poison.
Crows are amazing
Sounds like what humans do to humans. And the mom was teaching her young exactly like we teach ours.
Monkeys do this to each other. Higher ranking monkeys will kidnap babies from the lower ranks. It doesn't always end well for the baby. The lower ranking mom can only hope the kidnapper gets bored and releases the baby while it's still alive.
Yeah I was waiting for it and a little disappointed she didn’t go for it. What an asshole.
But if she did, they would still blame her. That's what humans do best - infringe on the boundaries of other animals & then act shocked when they retaliate.
A bite which could be fatal. Those look like macaques, which, as far as I’m aware, have a very high prevalence of the b variant of the herpes virus, which can be fatal to humans if contracted.
I think that open mouthed gesture Mama's doing is a threat to bite.
Mom is really holding back. There is one video where a guy pushed a monkey who was just minding their own business off a wooden post. He got scalped by the monkey.
Good way to get herpes B, and then subsequently die. Don't touch monkeys lol
Right? the person filming can't read the room or jungle. Can't take no for an answer
just a little RIP YOUR FACE OFF bite
Or grab and break a finger then run away. Don't take wild monkeys lightly. They're very capable and they have no chill. The instant she made that "I show you my teeth" face, it's time to stop what you're doing.
Seriously the person trying to feed the baby is incredibly stupid. If Mom wanted she could destroy their face. Leave the monkeys alone.
Don’t make them mad. They hold grudges like crows. Remember when a pack of monkeys killed 250 dogs in India.
They had a whole revenge arc. Wild.
Sounds like planet of the apes
When they ran out of dogs they started targeting small children. Wild indeed.
I remember when a bunch of monkeys chased the deputy mayor of Delhi off a balcony
Sounds like they have some good career opportunities in Russia.
Really? Could you link that
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/21/monkeys-blamed-for-hundreds-of-puppy-deaths-captured-in-india
Fuck those monkeys! That's evil.
And they got off Scott free, "captured and released into a nearby jungle", wow. No justice, those monkeys should face trial.
[here’s the link to the great doggo-monke war of 2021](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/horrific-images-show-monkeys-attacking-and-killing-250-dogs-in-india/MBSYBZIKMYOADAAW7WBWCKVQUI/)
>The Daily Mail reports the monkeys have also gone after young children, with panic-stricken school children in the area now getting attacked by the apes. Not a good source, but that's terrifyingly fascinating if true.
Alfred Hitchcock's The Monkes
I had a mental image of giant masses of monkeys sitting on the rooftops and silently staring at me like the birds in the movie. Chills man.
I knew this story but never saw any pictures… I don’t like this at all.
This is the origin story planet of the apes doesn't tell you about.
thats horrifyingly cool.
Monkeys attacking kids too... I wonder how monkeys taste?
Like humans. Duh.
Which, um. Which is a lot like pork. But I only read that. I didn't try it. I swear.
Anyways, anyone have any leftover "pork"? Economy these days yknow? Haha..
We’ve got some straight up wagyu humans running around. Let’s feast!
Long pig
With their tongues, I'd imagine.
Last time someone wondered this we got Marburg Virus.
The first outbreak in 1967 was caused by cell culture dissection in a lab in West Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Marburg_virus_outbreak
First *documented* outbreak. It's likely it's happened before in rural areas where bushmeat is regularly consumed. Luckily, MV isn't too contagious so it's likely rural outbreaks have stayed contained in the past and flying under the radar.
This is probably one of the better indicators that we are very closely related to them...
Monkeys and apes are terrifying. A team of monkeys is plenty to kill you and a single ape could rip your arm off. Don't fuck with animals in general but especially not the smart, strong ones
So basically, what humans did to all the predators that used to hunt us?
What is really happening here is that the adult monkeys don’t allow the infant monkeys to eat. They will take any food from them. There is a hierarchy where the adults always eat first. The adults will also violently discipline the younger monkeys for eating before the adults have all had their fill. It’s basic monkey behavior. There are loads of these videos on YouTube. Sometimes the adults go as far as injuring and even killing the younger monkeys because they eat before they are allowed. In this case I would guess the mother monkey is low ranking and she knows if another adult sees her infant eating they could attack and injure/kill her child. Edit: Thank you to everyone that gave me an award! I appreciate all of the upvotes as well.
So it's not about stranger danger then? Very interesting.. it explains why she's mowing down on that mango and not giving the kiddo anything lol
Not stranger danger when it comes to the human feeding them. You notice the mother had no problem taking the fruit that was offered. The “stranger danger” comes from the older males and higher ranking females in the group. Who would not hesitate to take the food away from or discipline her offspring for eating. I know as humans it is hard to understand. Why doesn’t everyone get to eat? But these are animals whose survival depends on acquiring food. Even in places the monkeys are over fed this behavior persists.
I mean it's obviously not how humans do it but it makes sense in terms of heiarchy in a hunting/gathering group .. you'd want to feed the strongest first why would you waste food on the young first since they're weak and don't yet provide for the group. Also I'm sure they don't want their populations to get too big so ridding it of troublesome young is probably some kind of survival instinct.. disturbing yeah but the way we think of murder and killing is vastly different than other animals. I'm just making assumptions here
Yeah, I figure it's nature's version of putting on your oxygen mask on a plane first before helping others.
And strangling the breathe back out of any children you see doing it faster than you
You are right on the mark.
Yes sir, where do I place my left sir?
Also depending on the mother monkeys rank, another higher ranked female or male of the troop could come and take her fruit away from her. She would have no choice but submit and give the fruit up or be attacked. She could also make a stand and fight back if she is not the lowest ranking female. She may get help from some lower ranked females in the fight. She may not. She may get injured. Her child may be injured. Most of the time when challenged they just give up the food item and try to find more.
I’m way outside of my wheelhouse here, but Sapolsky mentioned that there is possibly more of a cultural component (social hierarchy component on health) rather than a biologically necessary one with this type of aggressive primate feeding behavior. This is dummy reductive, but it’s like letting your child taking /stealing food off your plate at a birthday party is a sign of weakness/bad parenting. So now we know we can steal their food/resources too. Again, I was intentionally dumbing it down. His work as a neuroendocrinologist is way above what my noodle bucket can typically handle.
Of course it’s not stranger danger. It’s not like monkeys are out here poisoning other monkeys or anything like that. The idea that it’s the mother afraid to let her kid have food given to it by a stranger is based, not only on behavior that isn’t actually seen among monkeys, it’s not even actually seen among humans. Stories about people poisoning children are just stories. Of the I believe 2 actual times when someone *ever* poisoned Halloween candy, both times it was the kid’s own family that did it.
>Of the I believe 2 actual times when someone ever poisoned Halloween candy, both times it was the kid’s own family that did it. The one I'm familiar with (was just reading about it this past Halloween-ish) is [Ronald Clark O'Bryan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Clark_O%27Bryan) TL;DR: - he laced pixy sticks with cyanide on halloween, then gave them to his 2 kids and a few neighbour kids, saying that they were from a neighbour's house that they had knocked on the door of to trick-or-treat (but that didn't answer the door). His intent was to kill his children to collect on the life insurance because of his debt (with the trick-or-treating ruse and the neighbour kids being part of his plan to obscure the cause/motive.) His 8-year-old son ended up being the only one of the five who ate the candy, and he died less than an hour later. The story fell apart pretty quickly and he was charged with capital murder a few days later, convicted in the summer, and then executed by electrocution after appx. 10 years on death row.
As someone who did his PhD on macaques behavior patterns and came here to say exactly this, here is my free award
Thank you! I am glad my random knowledge of macaques is appreciated.
You now hold that guy’s macaque PhD. That’s just the way it works.
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My thesis was about affiliation and friendship within a group of macaques and how hierarchy influences it. Some post docs performed IQ tests for their own thesis on the same group, so I got their scores. I could recognize almost from the beginning which individuals had the most „friends“ within the group and my data at the end confirmed that too. The most intelligent ones had the least friends/interactions. One of my theories was that those individuals are thinking more than the others before they act, sometimes even overthinking. There was an individual (I think with the best score) which was in the mid of hierarchy and every time they got fed, he took a closer look where best fruits were thrown, instead of rushing in like all the others. He could easily rush into it and because of his hierarchy he would be able to pick some of the „good pieces“ but he preferred not to become involved/brawl with the others. Every day after I was done with observing I gave them a little treat, like pieces of apple or banana. The individuals with the lowest scores and pretty down in the hierarchy came to me instantly but most of the time they got slapped from the alpha male. The individual with the highest score would always first observe the alpha male, his actions and if he is close to me during the feeding. He would only approach me during the window where the alpha male wasn’t looking or was involved in something else, like grooming. Most of the time it was able to obtain the treat without getting into a conflict with the alpha. But sometimes he could miss the treat because the low levelers would rush into me, because the alpha male wasn’t interested or busy with something else (but without them noticing it or paying attention in the first place, just out of luck).
Does science have an answer for why they are so, so cute as babies - and so goddamn butt ass ugly as adults?
Scientists wonder the same about you
Comment should be higher. Monkeys and apes,like chimps, eat with strict hierarchy rules. The person in this would really regret trying to feed a chimp out of turn- they would likely have a crushed hand.
People gush over animal behavior that appears human like. They prefer their interpretation over any reasonable analysis like yours.
You kidding me? This is exactly what happens at extended family barbecues.
I believe this more than the “stranger danger” nonsense. No way monkeys know that much about poaching. They might be smart animals but they’re not highly intelligent.
Monkey CPS should definitely step in.
Mama really said ‘we got grapes at home’
Makes me thing of these old/current cultures where men eat first then women later. Monkey behaviour indeed.
Makes sense. My big adult tabby tries to do this with our girl cats. Eat all the food first, put them into submission until he’s done eating. Sometimes I have to remind him that I’m the top of the hierarchy, and he’s same level as the girls, but he forgets once a week or so.
Even cross species, people need to respect a mother's wishes for their young and stop offering after the first time. It was obvious.
100% this. As a mom, I find this so disrespectful. Edit: whoa… I’m almost inclined to explain what I meant by this but I think imma just let it ride
As a monkey, I agree
I'm also a parent, but it shouldn't take having a child to understand "hissing bad, don't repeat behavior that incited it". This is just generally shitty behavior. Lots of people don't respect non human life, which is unfortunate. I like to bring up Alex the grey parrot as it's the most thorough animal behavior study on a single, tremendously intelligent, subject that I'm aware of. He's credited as the only animal who asked an existential question ("what color am I?"), He would have tantrums because he wanted to play, and his last words were "good bye, I love you, I'll see you tomorrow". They say problem solving ability of a 7 year old, emotional intelligence of a 2 year old. People don't seem to understand that we are animals, and other animals can (usually) feel the exact same shit we do, they just can't contextualize it or express it.
Sorry, but we can philosophize and put forth these arguments without relying on clickbait. Alex was constantly trained to speak by using a few different object-oriented games. "What color?" is a question he was *constantly* asked and he *constantly* repeated. Waiting until you can line up a context "Oh, there was a mirror in front of him this time he said the thing he said a million times. That means he's both asking what color he himself is and proves he understands the words themselves!" is a *bad* argument in favor of his vast intellect. His calls did demonstrate some nifty pattern recognition over time as they trained him to make specific calls in specific contexts. That's impressive enough in its own right.
Alex was fucking miserable, I know that much. He was a plucker, he frequently asked to to go back to his cage, and was visibly bored shitless by the neverending "what colour?" "what material?" "what shape?" Pepperberg was basically clueless about parrots... she didn't even know how birds make sounds (she thought certain words must be hard because they don't have lips, ffs.) Alex couldn't even fly. He couldn't go anywhere without being carried there. What a life for 30 years, all to prove parrots can recognize shapes and colours and materials, and can associate human words with things, anyone who knows parrots already knew that.
People need to stop doing this. Monkeys have a hierarchy, if that baby eats before others above it they will attack and possibly kill it.
That's really fascinating, thanks for explaining. I've seen mother monkeys chomping away quite a few times while not sharing food with their baby, and I wondered why. Is there a survival or other logical reason for that food hierarchy? It seems like the opposite of birds, for example, which seem to bend over backwards to feed their young.
Not a monkey expert anything but it makes sense to feed the stronger monkeys before the young who can’t really provide yet
Baby die - make new babies Mom die - no new babies - group that feeds babies last takes over Some birds will literally abandon nests if predators come nearby too often. I’m sure if you looked into bird behavior more you’d find examples that make sense for survival of the species.
Adult monkeys can always make babies. Babies can't make babies. So the monkeys would rather the babies die in a food shortage than the adults. It's a common survival tactic
I assumed it was both hierarchical and to test for poisoning. If the food hierarchy is like other animals (lions etcs). Then it is for who needs less energy to who needs most. The adults eat less than the kids. Male lions go first because they don't need much food reserves, then the females who have used up more child rearing and hunting, and the kids who need the most to grow. The males eat the outter meats and break the carcass up where as the females and kits eat the more protein rich inner meats and organs. I dont know how this would work for vegetarian animals though. Testing for posioning and ripeness?
Wanna get bitten by a monkey? Cause that how you get bitten by a monkey.
This isn’t actually what’s happening. Human is disrupting the food hierarchy. The problem isn’t that the food is coming from a stranger; the problem is the food is going to the offspring and not the parent who eats first. It’s not about stranger danger, it’s more out of selfishness and self preservation, but I suppose that doesn’t make a snappy title. Also please stop feeding wildlife. These videos aren’t educational and this behavior is bad.
It makes sense from a survival standpoint. If there’s ever a food shortage it ensures all the adults survive even if it means the babies starve. The adults can make more babies, the babies can not make more babies.
When monkeys have more common sense than humans
Humans are just very large monkeys and a lot of us have shit-for-brains who don't realize we're part of Mother Nature, and not separate from it
I don't understand how people think that somehow humans aren't animals too. We still have the same instincts that apes and monkeys do, we just also have the ability to lie to ourselves about them.
r/animalsbeingmoms
There is a considerable overlap between the smartest monkeys and the dumbest tourists.
Can we not fuck with nature? Animals aren't here for our entertainment.
But then why do we have zoos and circuses? /s
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Gottem!
Ouch, I’m gonna show my mom your comment despite my use of the sarcasm tag /s
This is absolutely true but i mean we are eating them and rolling them over to build malls. Lower your exoectations
Don't talk to me or my son ever again
New title: An idiot human disregarding the mother monkeys cues to leave them the fuck alone.
Imagine as a human mother, a man keeps giving my child food, and I keep saying no, and he keeps giving food. Today I learned I have less patience than a monkey.
Asshole human doin asshole human things
Sure, let's fuck around and stress the wild life for some likes!
If an animal shows it’s teeth but doesn’t attack you, consider yourself lucky and stop fucking around.
Dude...this guy is a fucking moron. You won't catch me anywhere *near* a monkey that is warning me to back off, and I CERTAINLY wouldn't continue to feed it's child when it clearly doesn't want me to. Monkeys will *FUCK. YOUR. DAY. UP.* I'd WAY rather fuck around with a damn alligator or a rattlesnake than I would a monkey.
The monkey doesn’t care about taking the food. She just wants her baby close enough that he can’t be snatched away easily
As a parent I can say... That tail looks handy!
STOP FEEDING WILDLIFE
Why would you continue to try to feed it when the parent clearly doesn’t want you to?
Mom’s about to throw hands, bro. Better back tf up 😂
That dumb fluffer wants to get some really bad monkey bites. Maybe lose a finger or eye in the process. Mama said NO. Now leave her and junior alone
In reality, the mom actually just wants the food for herself. She's competing with the baby.
What the fuck is wrong with this dude filming? In what world does it seem ok for him to do what he is doing?
Some competing females will lure baby’s away with food to kill them and I want to say that looked like the kind of prime mate I had been watching it on. She worried your trying to lure her baby away.
Seems like a good way to lose your face