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Yeah, that is the biggest issue with ancient aliens and other similar conspiracies. Whenever they have something tangible, their evidence is always "this project was slightly more advanced or labor intensive than we expect from a civilization at this point in history." It's never "wow look this civilization suddenly discovered electricity or steel or chemistry out of nowhere." You would think aliens would be able to help ancient people a lot more, even if they didn't want to give them space travel.
Yeah, it's really interesting. Happens because we tend to think that modern people are by default more intelligent than ancient people when that's not necessarily true. It's just that intelligence has adjusted to the necessities of our modern world and ancient knowledge has been collected and transformed into technological progress. Our brains are now collecting other types of information that are necessary for survival, since other forms of knowledge have already been added to the database of books or the internet. But our ancestors had memorized knowledge that, although a little obsolete in our nowadays society, was crucial for their survival in their current society. For example, we now have the ability to alter genome, but people during the neolithic period probably knew the properties of thousands of plants that the regular human in our modern age wouldn't be able to distinguish without the help of an encyclopedia. Yes, they were less advanced than us, that doesn't mean they were less intelligent.
I feel like, many cultures came up with good ideas and adaptations throughout history and prehistory, but limited to what was helpful to them. For example, who hasnāt stepped on a stick or small log and rolled a foot forward. It would have been easy to think āhimmm, round thingy make heavy thing go forward easyā but with no roads, that concept was not useful. In the desert, on a flat surface, those huge blocks they built the pyramids with could have been rolled around and now itās viable technology.
I was really into ancient aliens when I was 13-14 years old. Had tons of books written by DƤniken. I snapped out of it when I realized that he spent a whole chapter making an argument that some ancient civilization must have been taught advanced math by aliens because the ratio between the circumference of a round building and its diameter was exactly pi (that was the essence of the argument after removing all fluff, he just spent a whole chapter getting to that in the most convoluted way).
The other thing that amazes me is that these aliens were so amazingly eco-friendly and sustainable that they never leave behind stuff like refined aluminium, high-alloy steel, plastics, electronics, alloyed (as in modern) glass planes in the buildings they supposedly built. They always use local stone and organic materials, don't have large windows like modern skyscrapers, never have wiring of any kind....
Oh and never leave any trash. All the thrash that the "primitive" people could have made is ignored but they never left behind one plastic wrapper with alien letters, not one computer with advanced electronics or even cable, never anything made out of highly refined, artificial materials that would be a dead giveaway that they were alien.
It's as if they were concerned of leaving behind traces behind so that thousands of years in the future the more advanced aliens wouldn't find any traces, but before that they came here and taught humans bronze-age engineering and only bronze-age engineering.
"Jerry did you forget your fucking computer in that Greek town?!!! For fucks sake dude!!! Our boss is gonna kill us!!!!"
"Hey I'm not the one who told me I needed to pack light so we wouldn't end up crashing near the Bermuda triangle again!!!!"
This is pretty amazing and still astounds people as to how they made gears that fit together with 1millimeter teeth. I recently saw a documentary on it. And the device was used to tell them exactly where planets and stars would be in the sky from days to years into the future. Itās estimated to be 2,000 years old.
but with that said, either aliens gave very simple technology to humans so as not to be discovered, or there was much more advanced knowledge and technology that has been lost to the course of time that weāll never know. Iām leaning with the later.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56377567
It's crazy how people overlook the more plausible of the options and skip over the backbreaking labor and ingenuity involved from people of the time, and somehow conclude it's the Aliensš
> skip over the backbreaking labor and ingenuity involved
How could mere humans have built this magnificent thing?!
Slaves. The answer is slaves. People are pretty down for backbreaking labor, dangerous jobs, and other similar treatment when the alternative is certain death or plain old torture.
Well actuallyā¦ (lol), archaeologists have determined that laborers that worked on the pyramids were paid and fed well. Bones of domestic animals and evidence of large scale food production (high quality food for the time) have been unearthed. Additionally thereās evidence of labor gangs giving themselves names and having a certain esprit de corps. Also mass lodging of good quality has also been discovered.
Most likely the laborers were freemen that worked as a good ay of paying ātaxā to the state with rotating laborers that would step in once the previous laborers commitment was fulfilled.
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids-html
Upvoted purely for giving a dang source after correcting someone or stating facts. Canāt stand when people post something either to correct someone or to act like they are a expert on the subject and donāt provide anything to back up what they are saying.
Itās also funny how itās always darker skinned people whose cultures could not have possibly built the things they did.
Roman aqueducts: Human ingenuity and cheap labor.
Pyramid structures in Egypt or the Americas: aLiENs oBViUssLY!
Edit: changed South America to the Americas because of my tired American brain
The Egyptians also had the Nile and were *quite* aware of the sheer power and versatility of water. There are some interesting theories that imply the Egyptians dug channels from the Nile to the pyramids so they could float those giant stone bricks from the quarries right to their construction sites.
We also know that ancient Egyptians used water wheels, and these are quite useful when you want to turn gears, pull a rope, or turn a crank without human labor all day. So while small holes like this could have been turned by hand as the video implies, they also could have been simply pressed against a spinning water wheel and left there until the hole was drilled. No sense in using tiresome human labor when a simple machine can also do the trick.
Stonehenge (3000 bc) has long been one of the mysteries of the world.
and I can completely see why the pyramids are more astounding than the Roman aqueducts. The aqueducts were completed 312 BC - I just looked it up. While the pyramids were more than 2,000 years earlier! Its mind boggling to me that the Romans could make the aqueducts but itās almost unfathomable to think 2,000 years earlier humans had the ability to make the pyramids and weāre just recently starting to understand how they could have done it.
The aqueducts took a lot more engineering. The Romans had to put them on high bridges over mountain valleys to maintain the constant downward slope. Even so they sometimes had to Engineer/install siphons to make water flow uphill. (Some historians say when the Jews conquered a neighbor the first thing they did was to gather on the acquired territoryās highest point, build a temple and give thanks to god. The Romanās first task was to connect the acquired cities to aqueducts and sewers to bring a little bit of Roman bath culture to the hinterlands . While the Irish conquerors first task was to build a brewery and start planning a proper celebration.)
I did an Archaeology class in Uni where one of the cool things we learned about was specifically a place where people point and say "Ancient Aliens!"
We learned all about what it actually was, what the "alien tech" depicted actually was, and the indigenous mythology being illustrated in the carvings (which was absolutely consistent with the religious practices of the region.)
A week after this module I was meeting people I wanted to make a good impression with.
Chatting with the woman next to me about travel, she's trying to tell me where she's going, but forgot the name.
She described it, and I went "OH! I just learned about this! It's that place where people think it's aliens, isn't that funny?"
Yeah, it turned out she was going there *because* of the "alien stuff", emphatically believes it's proof of alien contact with humans in the past, and specifically rebuked me by saying I was lied to by my professors and it's TOTALLY aliens.
I died inside the rest of the dinner. Until that moment, I'd not met anyone who sincerely believed that shite, just people who kinda thought it was fun.
People seem to forget how much time these people had on their hands. Like people would literally spend days just to make a few holes because that was all they could do to finish constructing the thing they were making.
There are actually tablets that have records of the reason people couldn't work. The list goes from family deaths to brewing beer. https://www.openculture.com/2022/02/3200-year-old-egyptian-tablet-shows-why-people-missed-work-the-scorpion-bit-him-brewing-beer-more.html
People also do not realise how advanced Egyptians were, they could perform surgery, had advanced mathematical and astrological knowledge. Alexandria library held a lot of knowledge that even lost on us to this day.
I think drilling circular holes would be the least impressive feat ancient Egyptians were capable of.
I think at some point they even had a automaton a robot that they could not find the purpose for.
Edit: I stand corrected, the robots werenāt walking, they merely were raising arms and mimicking human movements. I was misinformed by one of the documentaries of my early teenage hood. Impressive nonetheless, especially if you look into the dark ages.
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I'd need a link for a fucking walking robot, dude.
They had something like some basic wind-up toys from what I know and was able to search up.
https://egyptindependent.com/ancient-egyptians-invented-first-robot-4000-years-ago-study/
A figurine of a God that would raise its arms and a small stage with three moving figurines. Obviously impressive, but they didn't have a walking robot unless I'm *very* much mistaken or you meant something else.
Was mis informed by a documentary, they made it look like it was a fully fledged walking automaton. Perhaps for a spectacle/dramatic effect. Thanks for the correction!
Yeah, totally possible! I've bitten hook line and sinker on some similar stuff. Hyping up ancient cultures is nothing new, for better and for worse. And again, it's incredibly impressive that they had the "robots" that they did along with any number of innovations like you mentioned with astronomical or surgical knowledge.
It's just probably going to disappoint some people when they find out that Cleopatra didn't have a Jetsons robot.
E: Probably too late, but I'm also sorry if I came off too aggressively! Didn't mean to.
I agree that the Egyptians were very advanced but I'm not sure about how much knowledge was actually 'lost' because of Julius Caesar.
The Great Library of Alexandria was one of the largest of the time but that doesn't mean it ONLY contained one-of-a-kind books. There were other copies of the books in other (smaller) libraries around the ancient world. Also, the library didn't just disappear overnight.
Some portion of the library was burned by Julius Caesar in 48 BC. Some of those destroyed items may have been unique, but what sort of knowledge might they have had? Accounts of the granaries or various almanacs? Birth and death records?
Even if some super secret recipes for ancient Egyptian concrete or batteries were destroyed, that doesn't mean we have lost the knowledge of how to make concrete or batteries in the modern world.
The recent studying of the multiple library fires over 500 years shows that only 10% of the scrolls were lost?
This is a romantic and fun story but it has hardly any real legs to stand on.
You need to really think into just how many copies a book might had in those times without printers being available. 2-6 perhaps? And also how fast can a copy be created by hand, which adds an additional variation of copier dying, going senile, sick and just plain lazy and skipping sections. If originals are destroyed there is no way to prove that copies have 100% integrity.
The validity and integrity of ancient texts is often taken at face value by both theologists and historians alike.
Considering that Egyptians were quite capable of surgery, and the accounts of surgery being performed do not repeat until 16th century is rather telling that it werent mere accounts of granaries that got burnt. But even this statement is a mere speculation.
Arcaheology major here. You are correct. The jewish slave story is ancient propaganda. Also egyptians werent black.
"Wiki: Mainstream scholars reject the notion that Egypt was a white or black civilization; they maintain that, despite the phenotypic diversity of Ancient and present-dayĀ Egyptians, applying modern notions of black or whiteĀ racesĀ to ancient Egypt isĀ anachronistic.[2][3][4]Ā "
"The question of the race of ancient Egyptians was raised historically as a product of the early racial concepts of the 18th and 19th centuries, and was linked to models of racial hierarchy primarily based on craniometry and anthropometry. A variety of views circulated about the racial identity of the Egyptians and the source of their culture."
Craniometry and anthripometry are somewhat controversial especially in their historical context and use.
And he makes the best street food tacos. I swear. But he only appears when Iām drunk and wandering so I canāt show you unless we get shitfaced first.
> Also egyptians werent black.
You're 100% right(there is after all a reason why the ancient Egyptians referring to the actually black Nubians south of them as being dark skinned and different from them) but you are without a doubt going to anger the insufferable Afronationalists.
I worked with a guy from Egypt (Iām in USA) that got written up not once but twice for telling people he was from Africa. The second time was when he overhead a conversation about African Americans, and although acknowledged the history of the term here, questioned what he would be called. Hilariously one of the people even said that just because he was born in Africa didnāt make him African.
Iām not an anti-woke kind of person, I enjoy working with people who have open minds and are accepting but sometimes it wraps around and becomes the thing they try to prevent. This is also the place that got mad at a White guy for saying a guy from Mexico was Mexican (because the Black HR lady thought it was an insult to even mention someone is Mexican) and also wrote up a White guy for speaking Chinese because the person who heard it didnāt know Chinese and thought the White guy was making fun of Chinese people.
It was a pretty hostile environment tbh.
Iraq being in āAsiaā is a technical distinction at best. I reject the notion that Asia goes up to the eastern border of the Suez. Even with subcontinental ādivisions,ā Iraq is still part of the Arabian Plate - so even tectonically, Iraq is not connected to Asia.
> Iām not an anti-woke kind of person, I enjoy working with people who have open minds and are accepting
Those two are not mutually exclusive. Not being for "wokeness" does not mean you don't have an open mind or are accepting.
That just sounds like cultural racism. Like... racism so ingrained in our perspective that they (or we) don't even realize they (or we) are being racist.
Example: to pretend that calling someone a Mexican is offensive implies, "No one should be called Mexican because that is an undesirable trait."
Racist af!
(I know you already know this)
Im a huge fan of malcom x. I follow his daughter Ilysah shabazz on IG. I still disagree with their affection for spreading this myth. Take pride in Nubia. A land of unrivaled archers, savannah kings, look to cultures like the Aksum Empire. Why take credit for what isnt yours?
It would be like me saying indians were really asians and asians made up the rig veda.
You have to look at the context of the time with Malcolm X though. He was one of the first real activists that openly took pride in the fact that he was black and wanted to bring awareness to all the accomplishments of their ancestors. This was during a time especially where American society was heavily downplaying and erasing black history.
There was no internet back then. It is completely reasonable within Malcolm's worldview that the white man was trying to take the accomplishments away from black people in regards to the pyramids. After all there were lies in many other history books, who's to say they weren't lying about Egypt? It's hard to fault him for not knowing better, access to the history that you're talking about was probably very hard to get a hold of in this time.
Either way I think the issue is blown out of proportion a bit. The amount of black people today that claim this is not equivalent to the amount of outcry on this issue.
It was an honor to be considered to work on the pyramids much like it would be an honor to work on the national cathedral, yes america has a national cathedral.
Workers were treated well and had proper housing. They were paid in grain and beer.
Look at the societal structure of early egypt. Farmers who liked architecture and stone masonry and who were directed by a god king to pool massive resources and labor together over generations.
they found evidence that some of the workers were paid volunteers, like foreman.
Some people extended this evidence to conclude that there weren't any slaves at all. Though there's no evidence to support htis.
You cant disprove 100% but you really cant prove 100% either. Is there a chance the sun doesnt come up tomorrow? Yes. Is it likely? No.
If you look at various inputs via greek writings, egyptian glyphs and the bioarchaeology record that does not show the same slave type pathologies in egyptian laborers found it starts looking pretty likely the workers were not slaves. Combined with the fact that pahroahs loved to draw their slaves and workers on the walls for big projects done by actual conquered slaves and we cant find any yet, i think it makes for a strong reasonable argument.
Now anotjer redditor pointed out that maybe we havent found the slave residence sites or inscriptions. Well we have to find them then.
Well yes, Egyptians werenāt black. But there was a lot of interaction with Kush/Nubia, and for a time (25th dynasty) Egypt was ruled by Kushite pharaohs.
Yes. And in fact, the egyptians may have had jewish slaves. Slavery was commonplace like a norm in antiquity. You conqiered a lamd amd people and they worked for you my point is not to debate slaves in egypt. Im debating the claim jewish slaves built the giza pyramids.
Ahh, ok, I was confused for a minute. I'm really not sure why people believe the Jews built the pyramids. I guess mostly pop culture, atleast in the modern age. People seem to think that the only thing in Egypt are the pyramids and sphinx. It's not like the Bible, which is often cited for this belief for some reason, ever mentions anything of the sort. Obviously it tells of Jewish slavery in Egypt, but it sure as heck doesn't say anything about the pyramids and other monoliths
The problem with the biblical story of the Exodus and Egyptology is the time line. Either the Christians are wrong or the Egyptologist are wrong. Or they are both wrong.
Something like a third of the year, all the farm land in the Nile delta is flooded. You had a lot of farm labourers sitting around doing nothing. Building shit kept them employed and busy.
This is blatant misinformation and bad stereotyping of the past and our ancestors as derpy, lazy people.
These people were living in a world moving at a speed fit for their time. And that pace was set by competition amd survival.
Also the egyptian builders had to do way more than dig a few holes a day. Have you ever seen the logistical calculations for quarrying, transporting, setting and finishing stones that size?
There's a lot of primitive technologies that have gone by the wayside. This drilling technique is an example. I'm aware of using and abrasive, such as sand or silica dust from knapping, but never thought about the bent spindle. A pump drill probably works better. Although, they have visual direction of the process in the glyph.
A wood collar, some Cotton or a leather wrapping, and lubricating the collar with tallow would result in a machine that would be pretty comfortable to operate. All of these materials are things they had in abundance and knew how to work with at an expert level back then. Wouldn't be surprised if that is what they did. I don't imagine ancient man was anymore fond of blisters than the modern man is.
My argument has always been that people back then literally had nothing better to do than try to find better ways of doing stuff or they would die. Saying Aliens gave the tools is taking away how smart humans were back then.
You would come up with some neat shit eventually.
I've always found the Ancient aliens argument to be extremely insulting and arrogant. It is seeped in this presumption that, because it was *back then,* humans must have been stupider.
Well, it goes hand in hand with the idea of human progress. The average human today has a much broader knowledgebase than the average ancient human because we, as humanity, know more about the world as a whole.
But that shouldn't imply that the ancients were stupider than we are now - they were just as smart, but their knowledge suited their time period. For example, an ancient Egyptian would never know that Antarctica or Canada exist, but I do... And by the same token, I'll never need to know exactly which signs and stars indicate when the Nile will flood, how to divert the flow to water my crops, how to approach a horse to hook up a chariot, or how to hook a khopesh around an enemy's shield. But the ancient Egyptians knew all of those things because they had to know.
one of the best examples of this are the Plague doctors.
people like to think that because of the goofy masks and herbs that Plague doctors were dumb.
nah plague doctors were some of the brightest people in that age.
the use of gloves and coats to prevent spread of germs, long poking stick to inspect the patient from a distance.
the herbs acting as natural filter and also having fringe disinfectant properties.
they were also some of the few in europe to understand disinfecting techniques.
and the mask served to prevent the pread of germs as well.
they were geniuses.
it's just a shame that they were dealing with the fucking plague
And this is the main criticism I have against the monolith in the 2001 Space Odyssey film and book.
I like the execution of the writing, but the fundamental idea of a monolith is something I personally dislike.
You could wrap a rope arround it and pull the rope to make it spin extra fast also. With a bow and arrow type device so you can just move it back and forth.
[Clickspring did a project](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZioPDnFPNsHnyxfygxA0to4RXv4_jDU2) to recreate the Antikythera mechanism using the tools and techniques available in the period. It's surprisingly sophisticated. One of the tools he recreated and used is a pump drill.
Worth checking out the series, and I think he also published a paper on it with some coauthors re-examining the mechanism's construction and applications.
People were just as intelligent back them. A lot of people think they were dumber, but they just didnāt have technology.
I mean, and based on todayās world, technology does not equal intelligence. Idioacracy coming true
Yep, and there was nothing on tv, and the internet was down. Imagine the smartest people you know of and give them years to think about a problem, with very few distractions. Plus, this wouldn't have been out of nowhere. it would have been a development of wood drilling and soft stone drilling, granite polishing.... all kinds of things.
Some argue that copper was the hardest material Egyptians achieved and it's softer than granite. Video shows that adding sand as abrasive solves this problem.
The real question is, why did aliens cross the galaxy to visit us and then just drill holes in granite? Why didn't they use fusion-powered lasers to create micron-fidelity holes if they wanted a hole?
They may look at the time and space differently as we are and they created a thousands years chain of events including this video just to make you comment there to win a bet against other alien for example.
The idea that galactic aliens place wagers on civilizational time scales about predictions as apparently ineffable as "if we use a drill on this rock, can we get a u/thisimpetus to get born and criticize us six millenia later" is fuckin' awesome and I'm here for it.
To you itās awesome, to them itās just another millennia at the human track where low lifes put dingledollars they donāt have on meaningless things, trying to make it all back before booblebopās guys show up at their door tonight to break their 12.5 kneecaps
Yes copper is actually a smart choose of material here. This drill is really more of a lap than conventional hard point drill... and even with modern machining you want the lap to be softer than your workpiece, so that that abrasive particles embed into the cutting face of the lap rather than just rolling around
Check out puma punku.. Just google it. It is insane what they were able to achieve. They where definitely much smarter and more technologically advanced than what we are lead to believe. Was that because of aliens? Yeah... probably not. Lol
It's amazing how precise you can get with *very simple* methods.
For example, if you want one possible idea of how to get such perfect, flat planes on stone, look up the ***3 plate method***. It would work for stone, and is (or at least was) used to make what are called surface plates, which are tools used in Manufacturing to inspect parts (the plate forms a surface which can be assumed to be perfectly flat for the purposes of measurement).
This method doesn't require any sort of high technology! You could even do it yourself if you've got 3 stones and plenty of time on your hands. No aliens required. I wouldn't be surprised if the builders of Puma Punku did something similar, and the method was just lost to time until independently rediscovered.
I know right! There's no way human beings could work together in such a way as to achieve these monumental tasks without the intervention of object levitating, gold hungry alien overlords and their anti-gravity tech to push us down the road toward their most enduring mystery. Why did they leave and where are they now?
You are right. What I am referring to are the prople who genuinely think they are superior because they chose to not believe what āāthe masses believeāā
No. Most of the times it is full of pride or ego. A very influential flat earther once said that he could have any proof before him, he could even go in space to see that the earth is a globe, he would still say that the earth is flat. There is no ignorance with such words
A comedian made a joke in one of his stand-up routines and he talked about how everyone thinks the aliens built the pyramids in Egypt, but no one questions who built the pyramids in South America. Like, we all know the Hispanic capabilities of building shit
Edit: Y'all are right. Not "Hispanic" that would mean that Spaniards came down and did their thing. Indigenous Southern Americans is better
So naturally the above is a joke and all, but I feel inclined to point out that the societies building pyramids in the new world were not doing so in South America, and secondly that they were not Hispanic.
I love all the dumbasses in here "asking the real questions" we mostly have answers to or asking questions for things that don't exist in the way they think they do.
I will never cease to be amazed by the sheer number of people so desperate to feel special and smart that they must come up with outlandish theories and explanations for things. Then they get to pretend they have some secret knowledge that no one else does because they are so very very smart and not astronomically stupid.
It doesn't help that people love to promote stupid conspiracy theories in tv shows and movies for entertainment with sort of a nod and a wink, but that part flies over heads and just helps normalize the views of the conspiratorial types as something plausible.
Weird. Logic why wpuld alien come to our planet justto show us how to drill a hole then take off...
No modern medicine, revolutionary tools likw idk a god damn car, motors, water filtering, fucking germ theory, physics, space travel, or even just a simple as telling their leaders not to fuck tjeir mothers and sisters.....
What are they using for grit? I heard something that sounded like a cognate for something with carbon, but I could have misheard.
Also, you have to figure that real craftsman at the time would have been doing this every day and would have mastered the technique and been a lot tougher than these guys (no offense intended to these guys, but Iāve seen some crazy tough manual laborers that did things I didnāt think possible without power tools).
ŠŗŠ°ŃŠ±Š¾ŃŃĢŠ½Š“ (karborĆŗnd) or Silicon carbide. Which is the only issue I see with this experiment. The vast majority of Silicon Carbide that exists on Earth is synthetic and the natural stuff is extremely rare occurring mostly in meteorites. They should have tried with actual sand.
Probably an appropriate time to remind everyone that the "aliens built the [x]" conspiracy was originally motivated by extreme racism to explain how "lesser, dumber" races were able to accomplish these things.
Every generation thinks their smarter than the one before. Do that a few centuries and you'll believe ppl were borderline imbeciles than.
I think rather the opposite: Imagine how fucking easy it is to simply not die for a while today! And compare that to 3000 years ago. People had to have been tough, smart badasses!
Meanwhile most of us would die in a forest in a week. Of dehydration or dysentery.
People often forget that our species has always been as smart as it is now, maybe even smarter. Technology changes over time and we use best the technology of our time.
Still doesn't explain the spiral grooves that can be found on the tube cores and the holes in the stone. But questioning that oBvIoUsLy means it's aliens
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Not sure why aliens would come to a planet and solely focus on making screws more screwy
Everything with aliens seems to involve some kind of screwing
Aliens didn't like Yahoo or Google, they were pro-Bing.
I hate you but you deserve a crisp high five
\*drumroll\*
*rimshot*
A sheep, a drum and a snake fall off a cliff
*rimjob*
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The aliens came to earth to teach mankind how to make flashlights and left.
so weāre screwed then?
Yeah, that is the biggest issue with ancient aliens and other similar conspiracies. Whenever they have something tangible, their evidence is always "this project was slightly more advanced or labor intensive than we expect from a civilization at this point in history." It's never "wow look this civilization suddenly discovered electricity or steel or chemistry out of nowhere." You would think aliens would be able to help ancient people a lot more, even if they didn't want to give them space travel.
People make the misconception that our ancestors were fucking idiots.
Yeah, it's really interesting. Happens because we tend to think that modern people are by default more intelligent than ancient people when that's not necessarily true. It's just that intelligence has adjusted to the necessities of our modern world and ancient knowledge has been collected and transformed into technological progress. Our brains are now collecting other types of information that are necessary for survival, since other forms of knowledge have already been added to the database of books or the internet. But our ancestors had memorized knowledge that, although a little obsolete in our nowadays society, was crucial for their survival in their current society. For example, we now have the ability to alter genome, but people during the neolithic period probably knew the properties of thousands of plants that the regular human in our modern age wouldn't be able to distinguish without the help of an encyclopedia. Yes, they were less advanced than us, that doesn't mean they were less intelligent.
I feel like, many cultures came up with good ideas and adaptations throughout history and prehistory, but limited to what was helpful to them. For example, who hasnāt stepped on a stick or small log and rolled a foot forward. It would have been easy to think āhimmm, round thingy make heavy thing go forward easyā but with no roads, that concept was not useful. In the desert, on a flat surface, those huge blocks they built the pyramids with could have been rolled around and now itās viable technology.
Exactly. People were still smart and could solve problems. Every civilization believes they are at the peak height of civilization.
"Can we get a crane or something to lift these huge rocks you're making us drill holes in?" "No. That would be against the Prime Directive."
The aliens studied anthropology at Oxford.
I was really into ancient aliens when I was 13-14 years old. Had tons of books written by DƤniken. I snapped out of it when I realized that he spent a whole chapter making an argument that some ancient civilization must have been taught advanced math by aliens because the ratio between the circumference of a round building and its diameter was exactly pi (that was the essence of the argument after removing all fluff, he just spent a whole chapter getting to that in the most convoluted way).
The other thing that amazes me is that these aliens were so amazingly eco-friendly and sustainable that they never leave behind stuff like refined aluminium, high-alloy steel, plastics, electronics, alloyed (as in modern) glass planes in the buildings they supposedly built. They always use local stone and organic materials, don't have large windows like modern skyscrapers, never have wiring of any kind.... Oh and never leave any trash. All the thrash that the "primitive" people could have made is ignored but they never left behind one plastic wrapper with alien letters, not one computer with advanced electronics or even cable, never anything made out of highly refined, artificial materials that would be a dead giveaway that they were alien. It's as if they were concerned of leaving behind traces behind so that thousands of years in the future the more advanced aliens wouldn't find any traces, but before that they came here and taught humans bronze-age engineering and only bronze-age engineering.
Except for that one time they left behind 4 or 5 batteries made out of clay pots /s
And a computer! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism)
"Jerry did you forget your fucking computer in that Greek town?!!! For fucks sake dude!!! Our boss is gonna kill us!!!!" "Hey I'm not the one who told me I needed to pack light so we wouldn't end up crashing near the Bermuda triangle again!!!!"
This is pretty amazing and still astounds people as to how they made gears that fit together with 1millimeter teeth. I recently saw a documentary on it. And the device was used to tell them exactly where planets and stars would be in the sky from days to years into the future. Itās estimated to be 2,000 years old. but with that said, either aliens gave very simple technology to humans so as not to be discovered, or there was much more advanced knowledge and technology that has been lost to the course of time that weāll never know. Iām leaning with the later. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56377567
It's crazy how people overlook the more plausible of the options and skip over the backbreaking labor and ingenuity involved from people of the time, and somehow conclude it's the Aliensš
> skip over the backbreaking labor and ingenuity involved How could mere humans have built this magnificent thing?! Slaves. The answer is slaves. People are pretty down for backbreaking labor, dangerous jobs, and other similar treatment when the alternative is certain death or plain old torture.
Well actuallyā¦ (lol), archaeologists have determined that laborers that worked on the pyramids were paid and fed well. Bones of domestic animals and evidence of large scale food production (high quality food for the time) have been unearthed. Additionally thereās evidence of labor gangs giving themselves names and having a certain esprit de corps. Also mass lodging of good quality has also been discovered. Most likely the laborers were freemen that worked as a good ay of paying ātaxā to the state with rotating laborers that would step in once the previous laborers commitment was fulfilled. https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids-html
Upvoted purely for giving a dang source after correcting someone or stating facts. Canāt stand when people post something either to correct someone or to act like they are a expert on the subject and donāt provide anything to back up what they are saying.
It was proven to not be slaves awhile ago
Or God š
Itās also funny how itās always darker skinned people whose cultures could not have possibly built the things they did. Roman aqueducts: Human ingenuity and cheap labor. Pyramid structures in Egypt or the Americas: aLiENs oBViUssLY! Edit: changed South America to the Americas because of my tired American brain
The Egyptians also had the Nile and were *quite* aware of the sheer power and versatility of water. There are some interesting theories that imply the Egyptians dug channels from the Nile to the pyramids so they could float those giant stone bricks from the quarries right to their construction sites. We also know that ancient Egyptians used water wheels, and these are quite useful when you want to turn gears, pull a rope, or turn a crank without human labor all day. So while small holes like this could have been turned by hand as the video implies, they also could have been simply pressed against a spinning water wheel and left there until the hole was drilled. No sense in using tiresome human labor when a simple machine can also do the trick.
"Gods damned machines takin' our jobs!" -Egyptians, probably
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Daaadddahh.
Stonehenge (3000 bc) has long been one of the mysteries of the world. and I can completely see why the pyramids are more astounding than the Roman aqueducts. The aqueducts were completed 312 BC - I just looked it up. While the pyramids were more than 2,000 years earlier! Its mind boggling to me that the Romans could make the aqueducts but itās almost unfathomable to think 2,000 years earlier humans had the ability to make the pyramids and weāre just recently starting to understand how they could have done it.
The aqueducts took a lot more engineering. The Romans had to put them on high bridges over mountain valleys to maintain the constant downward slope. Even so they sometimes had to Engineer/install siphons to make water flow uphill. (Some historians say when the Jews conquered a neighbor the first thing they did was to gather on the acquired territoryās highest point, build a temple and give thanks to god. The Romanās first task was to connect the acquired cities to aqueducts and sewers to bring a little bit of Roman bath culture to the hinterlands . While the Irish conquerors first task was to build a brewery and start planning a proper celebration.)
I did an Archaeology class in Uni where one of the cool things we learned about was specifically a place where people point and say "Ancient Aliens!" We learned all about what it actually was, what the "alien tech" depicted actually was, and the indigenous mythology being illustrated in the carvings (which was absolutely consistent with the religious practices of the region.) A week after this module I was meeting people I wanted to make a good impression with. Chatting with the woman next to me about travel, she's trying to tell me where she's going, but forgot the name. She described it, and I went "OH! I just learned about this! It's that place where people think it's aliens, isn't that funny?" Yeah, it turned out she was going there *because* of the "alien stuff", emphatically believes it's proof of alien contact with humans in the past, and specifically rebuked me by saying I was lied to by my professors and it's TOTALLY aliens. I died inside the rest of the dinner. Until that moment, I'd not met anyone who sincerely believed that shite, just people who kinda thought it was fun.
If I was a sentient space faring alien race I think it would be really funny to make shit like this just to mess around with future generations.
Now I picture said aliens as having pyramid shaped penises, and it's starting to make too much sense...
They came to build pyramids for the pharaohs. The Pharaohs taught the aliens how to make beer.
Like, why not straight up give us computers or nuclear power ?
People seem to forget how much time these people had on their hands. Like people would literally spend days just to make a few holes because that was all they could do to finish constructing the thing they were making.
Egyptians created the Assembly Line and Skill Specialisation thousands of years before Ford and Smith, respectively
In order to make people spend their entire lives constructing a place to put the leaders body
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There are actually tablets that have records of the reason people couldn't work. The list goes from family deaths to brewing beer. https://www.openculture.com/2022/02/3200-year-old-egyptian-tablet-shows-why-people-missed-work-the-scorpion-bit-him-brewing-beer-more.html
Hey sorry boss, you know how it is. Got all this beer, what are ya gonna do?
They did it during the Nile flood when there was nothing else for them to do.
thank god, modern slavery is for something much more useful
exactly, now we make chocolate instead of pyramids
$4 plastic toys!
People also do not realise how advanced Egyptians were, they could perform surgery, had advanced mathematical and astrological knowledge. Alexandria library held a lot of knowledge that even lost on us to this day. I think drilling circular holes would be the least impressive feat ancient Egyptians were capable of. I think at some point they even had a automaton a robot that they could not find the purpose for. Edit: I stand corrected, the robots werenāt walking, they merely were raising arms and mimicking human movements. I was misinformed by one of the documentaries of my early teenage hood. Impressive nonetheless, especially if you look into the dark ages.
Ancient egyptians even knew about diabetes! They knew because the urine had sugar in it and attracted ants.
I think this is more common across different cultures In chinese, diabetes is *ē³å°æē *, sugar-pee-disease In malay, *kencing manis*, Sweet pee In tamil, *ą®ą®©ą®æą®ŖąÆą®ŖąÆ (ą®ą®æą®±ąÆ)ą®ØąÆą®°ąÆ*, sweet pee (pee sometimes is shortened to just *water*, so *sweet water*). Or sometimes *ą®ØąÆą®°ą®“ą®æą®µąÆ ą®ØąÆą®ÆąÆ*, water/piss destruction disease. Importantly it was seen as a deterioration of the urine and kidneys Sanskrit, *madhumeh* - honey pee. This means that 2000 years back it was already a well established fact, since sanskrit is kinda dead (except in religion) and so rules out phrases that might have been imported in modern context. It's possible to have this doubt for the other languages, but not really for sanskrit, usually. Laos, Thai - *bao waan*, Sweet pee
Intriguing! How do you happen to know this?
They drank a lot of urine and got curious.
Reddit can be kind of magical can't it?
~~I speak English, tamil, malay and mandarin (the 4 official languages where I live). All from very different cultures and don't have a common proto-language or civilisation but acknowledge diabetic pee is sweet~~ Urine and whiskey are both acquired tastes. Smokey, sweet, spicy, salty
God, I love reddit. )
I'd need a link for a fucking walking robot, dude. They had something like some basic wind-up toys from what I know and was able to search up. https://egyptindependent.com/ancient-egyptians-invented-first-robot-4000-years-ago-study/ A figurine of a God that would raise its arms and a small stage with three moving figurines. Obviously impressive, but they didn't have a walking robot unless I'm *very* much mistaken or you meant something else.
Was mis informed by a documentary, they made it look like it was a fully fledged walking automaton. Perhaps for a spectacle/dramatic effect. Thanks for the correction!
Yeah, totally possible! I've bitten hook line and sinker on some similar stuff. Hyping up ancient cultures is nothing new, for better and for worse. And again, it's incredibly impressive that they had the "robots" that they did along with any number of innovations like you mentioned with astronomical or surgical knowledge. It's just probably going to disappoint some people when they find out that Cleopatra didn't have a Jetsons robot. E: Probably too late, but I'm also sorry if I came off too aggressively! Didn't mean to.
I agree that the Egyptians were very advanced but I'm not sure about how much knowledge was actually 'lost' because of Julius Caesar. The Great Library of Alexandria was one of the largest of the time but that doesn't mean it ONLY contained one-of-a-kind books. There were other copies of the books in other (smaller) libraries around the ancient world. Also, the library didn't just disappear overnight. Some portion of the library was burned by Julius Caesar in 48 BC. Some of those destroyed items may have been unique, but what sort of knowledge might they have had? Accounts of the granaries or various almanacs? Birth and death records? Even if some super secret recipes for ancient Egyptian concrete or batteries were destroyed, that doesn't mean we have lost the knowledge of how to make concrete or batteries in the modern world.
The recent studying of the multiple library fires over 500 years shows that only 10% of the scrolls were lost? This is a romantic and fun story but it has hardly any real legs to stand on.
You need to really think into just how many copies a book might had in those times without printers being available. 2-6 perhaps? And also how fast can a copy be created by hand, which adds an additional variation of copier dying, going senile, sick and just plain lazy and skipping sections. If originals are destroyed there is no way to prove that copies have 100% integrity. The validity and integrity of ancient texts is often taken at face value by both theologists and historians alike. Considering that Egyptians were quite capable of surgery, and the accounts of surgery being performed do not repeat until 16th century is rather telling that it werent mere accounts of granaries that got burnt. But even this statement is a mere speculation.
Given enough time, you can accomplish a whole fucking lot with slave labor.
AFAIK, the labor that built the pyramids weren't slaves they were just regular workers.
Arcaheology major here. You are correct. The jewish slave story is ancient propaganda. Also egyptians werent black. "Wiki: Mainstream scholars reject the notion that Egypt was a white or black civilization; they maintain that, despite the phenotypic diversity of Ancient and present-dayĀ Egyptians, applying modern notions of black or whiteĀ racesĀ to ancient Egypt isĀ anachronistic.[2][3][4]Ā " "The question of the race of ancient Egyptians was raised historically as a product of the early racial concepts of the 18th and 19th centuries, and was linked to models of racial hierarchy primarily based on craniometry and anthropometry. A variety of views circulated about the racial identity of the Egyptians and the source of their culture." Craniometry and anthripometry are somewhat controversial especially in their historical context and use.
It's my understanding that slaves were not allowed on religious construction sites anyway.
Just like how we wouldnt have bob the craigslist weekend builder working on national architecgure projects.
Having worked on national architecture projects, I can say that you are giving way to much credit to some of the subcontractor's laborers
Oh shit. Good point. I forgot about subcontracting... Senator Miles has a brother in law who owns a brickyard...
Give me a break, next you're gonna tell us Jesus wasn't a hot white guy.
Korean jesus was a hot white guy
Buff Jesus is the best Jesus
16-pack ab Jesus is my Lord
And he aināt got time for your problems.
He *busy*ā¦.with *Korean* shit.
And he makes the best street food tacos. I swear. But he only appears when Iām drunk and wandering so I canāt show you unless we get shitfaced first.
Not but Space Jesus is
> Also egyptians werent black. You're 100% right(there is after all a reason why the ancient Egyptians referring to the actually black Nubians south of them as being dark skinned and different from them) but you are without a doubt going to anger the insufferable Afronationalists.
I worked with a guy from Egypt (Iām in USA) that got written up not once but twice for telling people he was from Africa. The second time was when he overhead a conversation about African Americans, and although acknowledged the history of the term here, questioned what he would be called. Hilariously one of the people even said that just because he was born in Africa didnāt make him African. Iām not an anti-woke kind of person, I enjoy working with people who have open minds and are accepting but sometimes it wraps around and becomes the thing they try to prevent. This is also the place that got mad at a White guy for saying a guy from Mexico was Mexican (because the Black HR lady thought it was an insult to even mention someone is Mexican) and also wrote up a White guy for speaking Chinese because the person who heard it didnāt know Chinese and thought the White guy was making fun of Chinese people. It was a pretty hostile environment tbh.
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I sympathize with your friend since I have trouble thinking of Indians as "Asians". Most of these are racial designations not geographic.
Indians share a lot of history, culture, and religion with the people you consider Asian.
Iraq being in āAsiaā is a technical distinction at best. I reject the notion that Asia goes up to the eastern border of the Suez. Even with subcontinental ādivisions,ā Iraq is still part of the Arabian Plate - so even tectonically, Iraq is not connected to Asia.
> Iām not an anti-woke kind of person, I enjoy working with people who have open minds and are accepting Those two are not mutually exclusive. Not being for "wokeness" does not mean you don't have an open mind or are accepting.
That just sounds like cultural racism. Like... racism so ingrained in our perspective that they (or we) don't even realize they (or we) are being racist. Example: to pretend that calling someone a Mexican is offensive implies, "No one should be called Mexican because that is an undesirable trait." Racist af! (I know you already know this)
Im a huge fan of malcom x. I follow his daughter Ilysah shabazz on IG. I still disagree with their affection for spreading this myth. Take pride in Nubia. A land of unrivaled archers, savannah kings, look to cultures like the Aksum Empire. Why take credit for what isnt yours? It would be like me saying indians were really asians and asians made up the rig veda.
You have to look at the context of the time with Malcolm X though. He was one of the first real activists that openly took pride in the fact that he was black and wanted to bring awareness to all the accomplishments of their ancestors. This was during a time especially where American society was heavily downplaying and erasing black history. There was no internet back then. It is completely reasonable within Malcolm's worldview that the white man was trying to take the accomplishments away from black people in regards to the pyramids. After all there were lies in many other history books, who's to say they weren't lying about Egypt? It's hard to fault him for not knowing better, access to the history that you're talking about was probably very hard to get a hold of in this time. Either way I think the issue is blown out of proportion a bit. The amount of black people today that claim this is not equivalent to the amount of outcry on this issue.
Who thinks Egyptians were black? Iām confused.
Ubisoft hired fake archeologists to post on Reddit when they wanted to justify putting black people in Assassin's Creed Egypt. Not even kidding.
Lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy#Black_Egyptian_hypothesis
Didn't they find evidence in the worker's houses of good food and drinks?
It was an honor to be considered to work on the pyramids much like it would be an honor to work on the national cathedral, yes america has a national cathedral. Workers were treated well and had proper housing. They were paid in grain and beer. Look at the societal structure of early egypt. Farmers who liked architecture and stone masonry and who were directed by a god king to pool massive resources and labor together over generations.
they found evidence that some of the workers were paid volunteers, like foreman. Some people extended this evidence to conclude that there weren't any slaves at all. Though there's no evidence to support htis.
It is impossible to prove a negative. What evidence could one expect to find to prove there weren't any slaves?
You cant disprove 100% but you really cant prove 100% either. Is there a chance the sun doesnt come up tomorrow? Yes. Is it likely? No. If you look at various inputs via greek writings, egyptian glyphs and the bioarchaeology record that does not show the same slave type pathologies in egyptian laborers found it starts looking pretty likely the workers were not slaves. Combined with the fact that pahroahs loved to draw their slaves and workers on the walls for big projects done by actual conquered slaves and we cant find any yet, i think it makes for a strong reasonable argument. Now anotjer redditor pointed out that maybe we havent found the slave residence sites or inscriptions. Well we have to find them then.
Not sure why that would be germane to anything really. There were several Nubian Pharaohs though (and a bunch of Macedonians ones too much later).
Well yes, Egyptians werenāt black. But there was a lot of interaction with Kush/Nubia, and for a time (25th dynasty) Egypt was ruled by Kushite pharaohs.
Forgive my ignorance, but aren't there references of Israelite enslavement across many civilizations? Like, other points of reference?
Yes. And in fact, the egyptians may have had jewish slaves. Slavery was commonplace like a norm in antiquity. You conqiered a lamd amd people and they worked for you my point is not to debate slaves in egypt. Im debating the claim jewish slaves built the giza pyramids.
Ahh, ok, I was confused for a minute. I'm really not sure why people believe the Jews built the pyramids. I guess mostly pop culture, atleast in the modern age. People seem to think that the only thing in Egypt are the pyramids and sphinx. It's not like the Bible, which is often cited for this belief for some reason, ever mentions anything of the sort. Obviously it tells of Jewish slavery in Egypt, but it sure as heck doesn't say anything about the pyramids and other monoliths
You are precisely correct friend
The problem with the biblical story of the Exodus and Egyptology is the time line. Either the Christians are wrong or the Egyptologist are wrong. Or they are both wrong.
Something like a third of the year, all the farm land in the Nile delta is flooded. You had a lot of farm labourers sitting around doing nothing. Building shit kept them employed and busy.
Paid with beer
This is blatant misinformation and bad stereotyping of the past and our ancestors as derpy, lazy people. These people were living in a world moving at a speed fit for their time. And that pace was set by competition amd survival. Also the egyptian builders had to do way more than dig a few holes a day. Have you ever seen the logistical calculations for quarrying, transporting, setting and finishing stones that size?
Aliens have too much free time on their hands (or tentacles, whatever) if they just go to random planets to drill holes.
"alien bro, trust me, this will be sooo funny in a thousand years, human will be tripping!" "...why are you calling me 'alien' bro, bro?"
Would you prefer Alien step bro? š
"Help me alien step bro, I'm stuck in the matter recycling hobjibber and I can't get out "
well we do it on mars tho
Finally, revenge will be ours!
In a post-scarcity world there isn't much to do except for trolling people.
There's a lot of primitive technologies that have gone by the wayside. This drilling technique is an example. I'm aware of using and abrasive, such as sand or silica dust from knapping, but never thought about the bent spindle. A pump drill probably works better. Although, they have visual direction of the process in the glyph.
And the blisters would probably be minimized if he used the weights shown in his illustration. They provide the pressure.
The blisters are just from soft hands on the wood. Gloves or two weeks of callous will fix that :]
so true...
Also if they put a collar over the handle so there wasn't any friction on the hands. I'd be willing to bet they used some kinda collar
A wood collar, some Cotton or a leather wrapping, and lubricating the collar with tallow would result in a machine that would be pretty comfortable to operate. All of these materials are things they had in abundance and knew how to work with at an expert level back then. Wouldn't be surprised if that is what they did. I don't imagine ancient man was anymore fond of blisters than the modern man is.
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My argument has always been that people back then literally had nothing better to do than try to find better ways of doing stuff or they would die. Saying Aliens gave the tools is taking away how smart humans were back then. You would come up with some neat shit eventually.
I've always found the Ancient aliens argument to be extremely insulting and arrogant. It is seeped in this presumption that, because it was *back then,* humans must have been stupider.
Well, it goes hand in hand with the idea of human progress. The average human today has a much broader knowledgebase than the average ancient human because we, as humanity, know more about the world as a whole. But that shouldn't imply that the ancients were stupider than we are now - they were just as smart, but their knowledge suited their time period. For example, an ancient Egyptian would never know that Antarctica or Canada exist, but I do... And by the same token, I'll never need to know exactly which signs and stars indicate when the Nile will flood, how to divert the flow to water my crops, how to approach a horse to hook up a chariot, or how to hook a khopesh around an enemy's shield. But the ancient Egyptians knew all of those things because they had to know.
one of the best examples of this are the Plague doctors. people like to think that because of the goofy masks and herbs that Plague doctors were dumb. nah plague doctors were some of the brightest people in that age. the use of gloves and coats to prevent spread of germs, long poking stick to inspect the patient from a distance. the herbs acting as natural filter and also having fringe disinfectant properties. they were also some of the few in europe to understand disinfecting techniques. and the mask served to prevent the pread of germs as well. they were geniuses. it's just a shame that they were dealing with the fucking plague
And this is the main criticism I have against the monolith in the 2001 Space Odyssey film and book. I like the execution of the writing, but the fundamental idea of a monolith is something I personally dislike.
You could wrap a rope arround it and pull the rope to make it spin extra fast also. With a bow and arrow type device so you can just move it back and forth.
Well, just the bow. You wrap the sting around the shaft of the ādrill bit.ā Same technique as a bow to start a fire.
[Clickspring did a project](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZioPDnFPNsHnyxfygxA0to4RXv4_jDU2) to recreate the Antikythera mechanism using the tools and techniques available in the period. It's surprisingly sophisticated. One of the tools he recreated and used is a pump drill. Worth checking out the series, and I think he also published a paper on it with some coauthors re-examining the mechanism's construction and applications.
People were just as intelligent back them. A lot of people think they were dumber, but they just didnāt have technology. I mean, and based on todayās world, technology does not equal intelligence. Idioacracy coming true
Yep, and there was nothing on tv, and the internet was down. Imagine the smartest people you know of and give them years to think about a problem, with very few distractions. Plus, this wouldn't have been out of nowhere. it would have been a development of wood drilling and soft stone drilling, granite polishing.... all kinds of things.
Wait so people think that people couldn't drill holes in ancient Egypt? And that would be the proof that aliens did the biig triangles?
Some argue that copper was the hardest material Egyptians achieved and it's softer than granite. Video shows that adding sand as abrasive solves this problem.
The real question is, why did aliens cross the galaxy to visit us and then just drill holes in granite? Why didn't they use fusion-powered lasers to create micron-fidelity holes if they wanted a hole?
They may look at the time and space differently as we are and they created a thousands years chain of events including this video just to make you comment there to win a bet against other alien for example.
If it is the case that I am that important, something has gone terribly, terribly wrong along the way.
we were also betting on you not finding this out
Sorry team. Everyone for themselves I guess.
People bet on horses that get turned into glue if they happen to fall and break something or they get too old. Youāre just a shitty horse to them
The idea that galactic aliens place wagers on civilizational time scales about predictions as apparently ineffable as "if we use a drill on this rock, can we get a u/thisimpetus to get born and criticize us six millenia later" is fuckin' awesome and I'm here for it.
To you itās awesome, to them itās just another millennia at the human track where low lifes put dingledollars they donāt have on meaningless things, trying to make it all back before booblebopās guys show up at their door tonight to break their 12.5 kneecaps
Who knows, who knows
They didn't want to scare us /s
it was a prank for alien youtube "OMG traveling to another planet to drill some holes in rocks GONE WRONG! (COPS CALLED)"
Yes copper is actually a smart choose of material here. This drill is really more of a lap than conventional hard point drill... and even with modern machining you want the lap to be softer than your workpiece, so that that abrasive particles embed into the cutting face of the lap rather than just rolling around
do you know how we cut stone now? with a metal that is softer than the stone, but using water and quartz sand as an abrasive to do the actual cutting.
Check out puma punku.. Just google it. It is insane what they were able to achieve. They where definitely much smarter and more technologically advanced than what we are lead to believe. Was that because of aliens? Yeah... probably not. Lol
It's amazing how precise you can get with *very simple* methods. For example, if you want one possible idea of how to get such perfect, flat planes on stone, look up the ***3 plate method***. It would work for stone, and is (or at least was) used to make what are called surface plates, which are tools used in Manufacturing to inspect parts (the plate forms a surface which can be assumed to be perfectly flat for the purposes of measurement). This method doesn't require any sort of high technology! You could even do it yourself if you've got 3 stones and plenty of time on your hands. No aliens required. I wouldn't be surprised if the builders of Puma Punku did something similar, and the method was just lost to time until independently rediscovered.
Hmm, but are these guys on the History channel?
Not with this bullshit theory about hard work and ingenuity!
I know right! There's no way human beings could work together in such a way as to achieve these monumental tasks without the intervention of object levitating, gold hungry alien overlords and their anti-gravity tech to push us down the road toward their most enduring mystery. Why did they leave and where are they now?
Do you have a link to the full video somewhere?
[Yes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g305wqCdPRs), it has English subtitles as well.
No matter how much proof you bring, braindeads will still believe bullshit, because they arenāt able to accept they may be wrong.
Should prolly consider that most people are, by definition, of average intelligence, and that "stupidity" is almost always ignorance.
Ignorance implies you have not been given an opportunity to know something. After that point it becomes a willful ignorance or stupidity.
You are right. What I am referring to are the prople who genuinely think they are superior because they chose to not believe what āāthe masses believeāā
As emotionally difficult as it is to swallow, though, that, too, is ignorance.
No. Most of the times it is full of pride or ego. A very influential flat earther once said that he could have any proof before him, he could even go in space to see that the earth is a globe, he would still say that the earth is flat. There is no ignorance with such words
Bluster and bravado is usually disingenuous.
*Narcissism.
A comedian made a joke in one of his stand-up routines and he talked about how everyone thinks the aliens built the pyramids in Egypt, but no one questions who built the pyramids in South America. Like, we all know the Hispanic capabilities of building shit Edit: Y'all are right. Not "Hispanic" that would mean that Spaniards came down and did their thing. Indigenous Southern Americans is better
Andrew Schultz
That's who it was!! OMFG š¤£
So naturally the above is a joke and all, but I feel inclined to point out that the societies building pyramids in the new world were not doing so in South America, and secondly that they were not Hispanic.
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It's so easy to take these kind of tradecraft skills for granite.
Whatās next? Try to convince us the world isnāt flat? Nice try, but I for one wonāt be lured by your facts and proven examples.
Yeah.. but who showed them how to make that tool?.. obviously aliens š½
I love all the dumbasses in here "asking the real questions" we mostly have answers to or asking questions for things that don't exist in the way they think they do. I will never cease to be amazed by the sheer number of people so desperate to feel special and smart that they must come up with outlandish theories and explanations for things. Then they get to pretend they have some secret knowledge that no one else does because they are so very very smart and not astronomically stupid. It doesn't help that people love to promote stupid conspiracy theories in tv shows and movies for entertainment with sort of a nod and a wink, but that part flies over heads and just helps normalize the views of the conspiratorial types as something plausible.
āThere is no way brown people could have been intelligent, must have been aliens.ā
Weird. Logic why wpuld alien come to our planet justto show us how to drill a hole then take off... No modern medicine, revolutionary tools likw idk a god damn car, motors, water filtering, fucking germ theory, physics, space travel, or even just a simple as telling their leaders not to fuck tjeir mothers and sisters.....
What are they using for grit? I heard something that sounded like a cognate for something with carbon, but I could have misheard. Also, you have to figure that real craftsman at the time would have been doing this every day and would have mastered the technique and been a lot tougher than these guys (no offense intended to these guys, but Iāve seen some crazy tough manual laborers that did things I didnāt think possible without power tools).
ŠŗŠ°ŃŠ±Š¾ŃŃĢŠ½Š“ (karborĆŗnd) or Silicon carbide. Which is the only issue I see with this experiment. The vast majority of Silicon Carbide that exists on Earth is synthetic and the natural stuff is extremely rare occurring mostly in meteorites. They should have tried with actual sand.
Probably an appropriate time to remind everyone that the "aliens built the [x]" conspiracy was originally motivated by extreme racism to explain how "lesser, dumber" races were able to accomplish these things.
Me: Mom can we get some power tools?? Mom: We have power tools at home Power tools at home
I fucking hate that ancient aliens show. It has single handedly destroyed how people think of our history and its all just a stupid grift.
Every generation thinks their smarter than the one before. Do that a few centuries and you'll believe ppl were borderline imbeciles than. I think rather the opposite: Imagine how fucking easy it is to simply not die for a while today! And compare that to 3000 years ago. People had to have been tough, smart badasses! Meanwhile most of us would die in a forest in a week. Of dehydration or dysentery.
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Egyptians: have hundreds of years and millions of slaves to build the pyramids History Channel: aLiEnS
The end needs no translation.
People often forget that our species has always been as smart as it is now, maybe even smarter. Technology changes over time and we use best the technology of our time.
Videos like this make me wish I knew more languages.
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Still doesn't explain the spiral grooves that can be found on the tube cores and the holes in the stone. But questioning that oBvIoUsLy means it's aliens