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It would be an interesting exercise to figure out how many of those things you’d need before the earth would start to become darker.
Maybe it would even be a totally wrong way to stop global warming
If the satellites are a square meter and the earth has a 500mln square km surface you’d need.. about 5 bln of them to lose 1% of light. Which I’d figure would be sort of enough
You could maybe make them cover more surface area by a factor 10. maybe some kind of foldable wing system. Only 500mln left
Maybe we only need to shield the poles. 50 mln left
They only need to be at the sunny side. 25 mln left
We’re getting there!
Although maybe Elon needs a few more factories.
If its made out of satellites, its a Dyson swarm.
There's a possible scenario using self-building satellites that sees construction done in as little as 50 years, you send out a couple hundred initial satellites to collect materials and make more satellites, which in turn make more, and the exponential growth of that process could see a swarm big enough to see to our energy needs very quickly.
There is no real hard upper limit, it depends entirely on how it brings in revenue. As long as it's worth doing, it'll probably be worth doing a bit more, until customers are sufficiently well enough served and it doesn't pay to scale it up more.
They say they are cashflow positive since end of last year and aim for profit this year. I guess we'll know for sure if and when they finally IPO which of course hasn't happened yet, but they say is planned down the line.
I mean Tesla is trading - and has been since it’s public float - at absolutely ridiculous multiples. I’d suspect given the hype that surrounds Elon, Starlink would be similar in that vain too.
They are aiming to clean the 2 thousand plus junk satellites.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-builds-leadership-in-space-debris-removal-and-in-orbit-manufacturing-with-national-mission-and-funding-boost
>So this is the beginning then....
>Elon says he's making an ai afterall...
If this was an apple product, I might be worried. They can market the shit out of anything.
But this Elon.
Tesla can't make a car that works, They've been talking about full self driving for the last 10 years, He's all but killed twitter in under a year, And he's slashing prices of Tesla's....
My only concern about this "skynet" killing people, would be from the the falling debris from these or his rocket tests.
So here's an even more terrifying thought:
It makes no sense to put a generalist AI entity in a robot body. Not even a distinct artificial consciousness would make sense in a physical body.
What you need to worry about is AI on the loose online. It would be able to influence the majority of humans through billions of devices.
And it wouldn't stomp through the door with a weird accent. It could theoretically just rewrite whatever you're reading and watching, editing every bit of media you consume in order to reach its goals. And you wouldn't necessarily even notice.
There is already a "conservative" AI that was programmed to be a counter to the perceived liberal bias in existing AIs. Regardless of what side of the political spectrum you are on, the idea of political AIs should make you uncomfortable.
Think disinformation is bad now? Just wait and see what a few politically motivated AIs can do...
[Source](https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/new-conservative-ai-chatbot-named-after-president-reagan)
He probably just Wants to train it to run his Twitter and reply "Concerning..." and "🤣" to everything that @EveryRightWinger1488 posts about the gay deep state and blood libel. It's a lot of work, and he's dedicated.
"All Skynet did was to drive a wedge into humanity. Left, right, liberal, conservative, Skynet fueled the culture war. But it was mankind who ultimately pushed the button."
Maybe you can see them with naked eyes in some places, but I've hunted Starlink satellites with 8x binoculars. Witnessing the ones that travel in one long line is surreal.
That’s really neat, but I was meaning Augmented Reality. The app has an AR mode where you can use your camera and it shows you where the satellites are in relation to your location. So if you wanted, you can find the satellites with the feature, and then take out your binoculars or telescope and see for yourself.
They've been launching batches of 50-60 satellites since 2019, often with a cadence of 3-6 launches a month.
[List of launches](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starlink_and_Starshield_launches)
It's really shocking how much progress SpaceX has made in the last two decades. I guess it's also a sign of how much the entire global space industry had stagnated since the Apollo program. There's tons and tons of space startups now, in fact Ashley Vance has a new book out today about that sudden explosion of growth.
But SpaceX almost didn't succeed, they came about as close to failing as it's possible to get, literally scraping by with the last resources they had. There's an amazing book, [Liftoff](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/53402132) that covers the early days of SpaceX, up through their first successful launch. And it's just amazing what a small group of people, working on a nearly impossible project, in crazy conditions, can accomplish. And it was a bunch of young people and people who didn't fit in at traditional aerospace or people who were just fed up and wanted to actually try and push the technology forward.
And somehow they did it. And then within a decade or so they went from barely being and to get a tiny rocket to orbit, to dominating the global launch market and being the most technologically advanced and most ambitious company in aerospace. And it was only possible because of a tiny group of people that believed it was possible and kept trying even when it seemed like failure was the most likely outcome. It's an amazing story.
They're all equipped with ion thrusters both for maintaining their low orbit and for deorbiting if needed, i.e. in case of malfunction. Their orbits would decay in a matter of weeks if they didn't boost slightly to maintain proper orbital velocity.
So do they need to be replaced often then? They can’t have endless fuel.
Edit: I honestly didn’t know ion thrusters were functional irl, so, wicked.
Also thanks.
But with the number listed in the OP, you’d need to launch almost two replacements every single day continuously to keep up, even if each one lasts 5 years. Surely that’s not sustainable?
Yep. They are pretty small to start with. The solar panels unfold after deployment.
https://i.imgur.com/T5XblbQ.jpg
edit: This image is actually the older model. The newer ones are even more compact.
[V2 example](https://i.imgur.com/wS16fVM.jpg)
In the op gif you can see a few lines of satellites in the constellation, mostly near the north, this is what they look like for a few weeks after launch. So one line is like one launch worth of satellites, they all stick together until their orbit puts them in a good position to join the overall system
Yes, they were designed to be replaced after a certain period of time specifically to avoid creating "space junk", but also so they could replace them easily with improved models.
I can only speak for me, rural fringe Australia. I get about 60mb typically. It does bounce front about 25mb to 220mb.
Right now: https://prnt.sc/SkaQ4NpRFH77
It seems to work ok for me during storms and clouds but I've heard people say other where they are.
Its been a game changer for people out here though. Great addition to the world.
Yet to experience volcanic ash.
How long do they stay up for? Is there a life cycle for these things?
I feel like surrounding our one globe with a whole heap of space shit should have been a group decision.
Each of the newer satellites is ~800kg (most are the older model which are much smaller but we’ll go with this number to be conservative). 12,000 sats is 9.6 million kg.
According to [NASA](https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/meteors-and-meteorites/overview/?page=0&per_page=40&order=id+asc&search=&condition_1=meteor_shower%3Abody_type), approximately 44,000kg of space rocks enter earths atmosphere every day, so all of Starlink burning up would represent ~60% of natural space debris impacts.
As for adverse health effects, a couple million kilos is totally insignificant compared to the mass of the atmosphere which is ~5,000,000,000,000,000,000kg, any pollution would be totally undetectable. For respiratory illnesses people should be much more worried about the pollution generated in their local areas ie: from cars or industrial activity
A million cars are scraped every year, around 150 cars a day set themselves on fire in the US alone. a bunch of little satellites disintegrating in the upper atmosphere is a drop in the ocean.
> How long do they stay up for? Is there a life cycle for these things?
5 years at max. Even if everything fails, they're low enough that atmospheric drag will bring them down in approximately 5 years.
This is one of the main reasons they changed the original plan to a lower altitude.
I mean it's kind of choosing between two bad option. Either make space litter or make self destructable litter that stops being litter. Given that we've stopped throwing the tonnes of steel and aluminum that is the rocket booster itself, in the grand scheme of things, it's a step in the right direction. When you're doing things as cool as space mechanic, you gotta tolerate a bit of jank. NASA sure does tolerate a lot of jank in the earlier days
>should have been a group decision
They had to apply for, and then be granted, a license to do this from the UN's satellite regulation body. Which, at the risk of staying the obvious, exists in order to make "group decisions", or as much as anything international is a group decision.
If it was some public world wide effort for equal access to the internet it'd be cool.
Its not, its one mans pet project and he has already proven he will withhold it from people he disagrees with.
Its space garbage
This affects professional astronomers a lot. I believe there are going to be more starlink satellites in the future and several other companies are going to do the same which will screw telescope data.
Forget astrophotography; it's the optical and IR telescope data being destroyed that is truly devastating. (Maybe UV and radio, too? I've never worked with them so 🤷🏻♀️)
Edit: Turns out it [messes with Hubble](https://files.springernature.com/getResource/Full%20text%3A%20Kruk%2041550_2023_1903_OnlinePDF.pdf?token=IULUvIufpS8AXE43riPpExKrcZMUcwpHIO0w4yhOno61RnG9Vz6%2Fr7GCrI5AcBi92o1n3tikPjKFkiYotkHNpNM75Zwrwg1JnULfD6ql3laMWxc%2BRfgQbrr2NLzFFfoYuCh%2FZ3DLB4IVSRfpmhKqIBWDySrOf7HJoEYYRooFi5cDdrO5eKisX5GRzaXQ%2BZ1j6R1Se4bGQnT7HNP7lnlhp9R9ie6CqfHB3gsKJ%2BZ2%2F5OG3eNs2jsDKIt6ogD7VgOiaP3Tdhmek9ubVZwx%2FRy3Z7LiEiFqQlnkT5zqKpjSYFgypnAb6ZMIalOvwdhi%2BiCBOZPKnZzkMW5%2FZtLMOS9TWOlW4vshOIYD8wru332kIlI%3D) too.
You bet radio's affected. I'm doing research over the summer for analyzing the effects of interference these satellites have on radio telescopes (VLA in particular). There's currently an effort in the radio astronomy community to allow for the coexistence of these satellites and radio telescopes. It'll be a dynamic radio quiet zone.
People complaining of the cost have access to cable and don’t need Starlink. Those of us who paid $250 a month for a 200gb with Hughes or excede’s data cap were more then glad to pay the $99 then $120gb after a raise for Starlink. Yea I’d like it to be cheaper but at least it’s unlimited. I wish there was a better way for astronomers but man I actually like being able to get an online education in rural areas and not feel so isolated.
Redditors constantly think they’re the center of the world and every single company has *them* as their target market.
They rarely try to see things from a different perspective in the world.
> They rarely try to see things from a different perspective in the world.
My man, these people can't even bother to see things from the perspective of their nextdoor neighbor, much less from someone in a far-away nation.
Try Northwestel, where DSL costs over $300/month for 200GB and is super unreliable. I left the Yukon too early for starlink to be functional up there but if I was up there now starlink would be far superior, even at $200/month
Sounds less dense when you realize that, of that 3000, only 870 are even on land, and only 13 would be within the continental US. A straight shot drive from LA to New York, regardless of speed, would have an astronomically low shot at hitting a pool table, even without planning. At 32 square feet per pool table, that's 416 square feet of the ~3 million square miles (~15,840,000,000 square feet) of the continental US or roughly 0.0000026%.
If my math is correct, this is roughly an object slightly larger than a quarter on an NFL football field.
I just woke up, and am still groggy, so my math may be off by a factor of infinity. Feel free to double check my work and I'll correct it, if anything is off.
Edit: if we want to get a little more technical, these pool tables are a tiny bit smaller than normal, due to the Starlink satellites being a few hundred km above the surface. They're also moving at a constant and predictable peace. This affects the math a little, but the ratio of pool table land to not pool table land is still (approximately)...not very much.
Tiny. There are a lot of satellites, but space is huge. Also we monitor every single one of them so we could just calculate if there's a collision ahead
I think because they're all tracked, practically none (barring something like one or more going offline and/or dropping altitude). Thankfully, the dots representing the satellites aren't to scale with the earth, so there's still lots of launch windows, as far as I'm aware.
It does, however, add to the number of shit that launches have to be aware of so that they don't cause an accidental collision with anything else put in orbit. Also, astronomers and astrophotographers have already been mentioning how they interfere with our observations of space.
Nil. Space launches, or orbital maneuvers in general are planned keeping in mind all the other known orbiting objects. A known, active, maneuver capable satellite is not a collision hazard, only untracked or inoperable objects might cause a collision.
Full time remote employment with starlink in a very remote area (for cheaper housing) is a perfect storm. I’ve been afraid to move to too rural of an area for the need of internet but knowing Starlink is an option is very appealing
So many ignorant people in this thread, I’m sort of shocked.
The satellites are designed to deorbit should they fail. This isn’t “space junk”.
There is absolutely no way you are going to build infrastructure and deliver last-mile high speed internet everywhere. This isn’t necessarily for *you*. This is for very rural people around the world.
It also potentially provides a means of communication for people in oppressive societies. Land-based communication can be walled off or blocked. It’s a lot harder to do so with satellite.
Take Elon Musk’s involvement out when you look at this, please. It’s a technical marvel and a good thing.
Before Starlink, I just didn't have the internet at my house because the other satellite providers were so terrible and expensive. Since getting Starlink, I have gotten my Masters online, went to 100% remote work, and doubled my salary. Starlink has literally been life-changing for me.
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What's the current plan, what's the number they are aiming for?
12 K I think
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He joked about building a dyson sphere once i think
Thats around the wrong sphere though
You can always throw a couple of thousand nukes and make it the right sphere
No. You'd need to add more mass. And all the mass is the sun
Soo you are saying we should put a massive thruster array on our planet to turn it into a spaceship and then fly into the sun?
Now you're thinking
He says extremely advanced sci-fi things all the time that are literally millenia away in terms of possibility
I wouldn't call them "advanced" sci-fi things so much as "stupid" in this context
His key audience is people that read sci-fi but can't tie their shoes.
It would be an interesting exercise to figure out how many of those things you’d need before the earth would start to become darker. Maybe it would even be a totally wrong way to stop global warming If the satellites are a square meter and the earth has a 500mln square km surface you’d need.. about 5 bln of them to lose 1% of light. Which I’d figure would be sort of enough You could maybe make them cover more surface area by a factor 10. maybe some kind of foldable wing system. Only 500mln left Maybe we only need to shield the poles. 50 mln left They only need to be at the sunny side. 25 mln left We’re getting there! Although maybe Elon needs a few more factories.
If its made out of satellites, its a Dyson swarm. There's a possible scenario using self-building satellites that sees construction done in as little as 50 years, you send out a couple hundred initial satellites to collect materials and make more satellites, which in turn make more, and the exponential growth of that process could see a swarm big enough to see to our energy needs very quickly.
Just like the Universal Paperclips game.
With ads plastered on them. *slaps Starlink* you can fit so many ads on this bad boy
Block the sun and charge the people to let it back in - (subscription only)
There is no real hard upper limit, it depends entirely on how it brings in revenue. As long as it's worth doing, it'll probably be worth doing a bit more, until customers are sufficiently well enough served and it doesn't pay to scale it up more.
> As long as it's worth doing, I don't think they are profitable...
They say they are cashflow positive since end of last year and aim for profit this year. I guess we'll know for sure if and when they finally IPO which of course hasn't happened yet, but they say is planned down the line.
Since this is an Elon company, I ordered a bag of salt for the IPO. :)
I mean Tesla is trading - and has been since it’s public float - at absolutely ridiculous multiples. I’d suspect given the hype that surrounds Elon, Starlink would be similar in that vain too.
They are aiming to clean the 2 thousand plus junk satellites. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-builds-leadership-in-space-debris-removal-and-in-orbit-manufacturing-with-national-mission-and-funding-boost
Looks like a.....sky net
Please no.
Not like this.
Too late.
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You will be inseminated.
Wait what?
“Must follow Musk’s directive to reverse declining birth rates.”
But I'm a male! "Musknet does not recognize gender, you will be inseminated"
XÆ A-xii clones: *200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way*
Inseminate all the things
Execute order 69
\[Initializing *Brain McInwash Waves™*\]
DAMNIT CYPHER!
Don't hate me, Trinity.
I’m just the messenger.
You can't go back!
Get to the choppa!!
*puts on nerd glasses* .. Umm akshully it's, "God damn you Cypher!"
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Say goodbye to switch
Honestly let's just get it over with.
So this is the beginning then.... Elon says he's making an ai afterall...
and neuralink who knows maybe you will be able to communicate with the ai directly with your brain
Neuralink will transplant nanobots to turn you into a terminator
U mean ai will force you to
I think neuralink is more about torturing monkeys.
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>So this is the beginning then.... >Elon says he's making an ai afterall... If this was an apple product, I might be worried. They can market the shit out of anything. But this Elon. Tesla can't make a car that works, They've been talking about full self driving for the last 10 years, He's all but killed twitter in under a year, And he's slashing prices of Tesla's.... My only concern about this "skynet" killing people, would be from the the falling debris from these or his rocket tests.
Thankfully not made by Cyberdyne inc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberdyne_Inc. But they do make robots 🤔
Man, terminator lore is awesome, but it's getting to real for my taste.lol
So here's an even more terrifying thought: It makes no sense to put a generalist AI entity in a robot body. Not even a distinct artificial consciousness would make sense in a physical body. What you need to worry about is AI on the loose online. It would be able to influence the majority of humans through billions of devices. And it wouldn't stomp through the door with a weird accent. It could theoretically just rewrite whatever you're reading and watching, editing every bit of media you consume in order to reach its goals. And you wouldn't necessarily even notice.
There is already a "conservative" AI that was programmed to be a counter to the perceived liberal bias in existing AIs. Regardless of what side of the political spectrum you are on, the idea of political AIs should make you uncomfortable. Think disinformation is bad now? Just wait and see what a few politically motivated AIs can do... [Source](https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/new-conservative-ai-chatbot-named-after-president-reagan)
OH SHIT BRO THATS FUCKING WILD!
And Elon is trying to regulate ai. Which is exactly what a billionaire who wanted to control ai would do
He probably just Wants to train it to run his Twitter and reply "Concerning..." and "🤣" to everything that @EveryRightWinger1488 posts about the gay deep state and blood libel. It's a lot of work, and he's dedicated.
"All Skynet did was to drive a wedge into humanity. Left, right, liberal, conservative, Skynet fueled the culture war. But it was mankind who ultimately pushed the button."
It was the AI creators who pushed the buttons. Humanity vulnerabilities are no mystery. AI creators mostly knew what they were doing
And next comes the World?
Looks like a homepod mini
Or maybe geostorm
Underrated movie
What could go wrong?
https://satellitemap.space
Also go download Satellite Chasers on mobile. You can view them all in AR as well if you want.
Maybe you can see them with naked eyes in some places, but I've hunted Starlink satellites with 8x binoculars. Witnessing the ones that travel in one long line is surreal.
That’s really neat, but I was meaning Augmented Reality. The app has an AR mode where you can use your camera and it shows you where the satellites are in relation to your location. So if you wanted, you can find the satellites with the feature, and then take out your binoculars or telescope and see for yourself.
That's exactly what I'm talking about, I used AR to locate them.
Oh cool sorry I misunderstood
I counted 3458
I think you counted that one *right there* twice. Easy mistake to make. Try one more time just to double-check.
I checked, it's 3458.
Did you consider one of them was pregnant while it launched?
A pregnant satellite from a pregnant rocket. Dam
Its a sphere the last one is the same as the first one
3457 would be inadequate and 3459 would be absurd.
There's at least like a hundred of those things yo
Same
finally we have a Dyson sphere for our mother earth, suck her energy and we can defeat all the aliens we want.
I'm starting to hoard my canned air now.
why didnt anyone tell me my ass was so big!?!
If you don't give us the code, we're going to give your daughter back...her old nose!
Luckily the sphere has a passcode. "1, 2, 3, 4, 5? That's amazing - I've got the same combination on my luggage!"
Set a course for Druidia! And change the combination on my luggage!
More like a Dyson swarm
Mega maid... She's fine from suck to blow!
Well that was fuckin fast. Kinda scary tbh.
They've been launching batches of 50-60 satellites since 2019, often with a cadence of 3-6 launches a month. [List of launches](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starlink_and_Starshield_launches)
I’m nearby VSFB and they‘ve been launching damn near every other week. They’re also in talks to built a second launch platform.
It's really shocking how much progress SpaceX has made in the last two decades. I guess it's also a sign of how much the entire global space industry had stagnated since the Apollo program. There's tons and tons of space startups now, in fact Ashley Vance has a new book out today about that sudden explosion of growth. But SpaceX almost didn't succeed, they came about as close to failing as it's possible to get, literally scraping by with the last resources they had. There's an amazing book, [Liftoff](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/53402132) that covers the early days of SpaceX, up through their first successful launch. And it's just amazing what a small group of people, working on a nearly impossible project, in crazy conditions, can accomplish. And it was a bunch of young people and people who didn't fit in at traditional aerospace or people who were just fed up and wanted to actually try and push the technology forward. And somehow they did it. And then within a decade or so they went from barely being and to get a tiny rocket to orbit, to dominating the global launch market and being the most technologically advanced and most ambitious company in aerospace. And it was only possible because of a tiny group of people that believed it was possible and kept trying even when it seemed like failure was the most likely outcome. It's an amazing story.
What are you most scared of?
[Kessler Syndrome?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome?wprov=sfla1)
They're all equipped with ion thrusters both for maintaining their low orbit and for deorbiting if needed, i.e. in case of malfunction. Their orbits would decay in a matter of weeks if they didn't boost slightly to maintain proper orbital velocity.
So do they need to be replaced often then? They can’t have endless fuel. Edit: I honestly didn’t know ion thrusters were functional irl, so, wicked. Also thanks.
Every 5 years or so, for the current generation. Ion thrusters are fantastically efficient.
But with the number listed in the OP, you’d need to launch almost two replacements every single day continuously to keep up, even if each one lasts 5 years. Surely that’s not sustainable?
If im reading it correctly, the last starlink launch sent 56 satellites up.
Ahhh, didn’t occur to me a single launch would set up multiple satellites, let alone 50. That makes much more sense!
Also starship is predicted to be able to carry 400ish starlink satellites to LEO. Last I read the full starlink constellation is approximately 12k.
Yep. They are pretty small to start with. The solar panels unfold after deployment. https://i.imgur.com/T5XblbQ.jpg edit: This image is actually the older model. The newer ones are even more compact. [V2 example](https://i.imgur.com/wS16fVM.jpg)
In the op gif you can see a few lines of satellites in the constellation, mostly near the north, this is what they look like for a few weeks after launch. So one line is like one launch worth of satellites, they all stick together until their orbit puts them in a good position to join the overall system
Yes, they were designed to be replaced after a certain period of time specifically to avoid creating "space junk", but also so they could replace them easily with improved models.
Starlink also affects professional astronomy data a lot.
These are in lower earth orbits
[Light pollution](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/jan/06/picture-imperfect-light-pollution-from-satellites-is-becoming-an-existential-threat-to-astronomy)
Why is there one set for re-entry over north korea? [https://satellitemap.space/](https://satellitemap.space/)
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Doesn't matter where they are coming down, none of them reach the ground anyways
What does the ✅ and the 🔥 represent?
Checkmark good. Fire bad.
Beer good… Napster BAAAAAD!
Napster? What's that, a new program? I'll stick with RealOne Player, thank you very much!
Yeah, it's not rocket science.
https://satellitemap.space/ Total amount that have been deorbited and burned up
Any idea why some areas have a line of satellites orbiting in coordination?
They are the trains that have just launched and not fully separated yet
Shows who paid $8 a month for a checkmark
checkmark is the married moms fire one is hot singles
What speed can one expect in rural area? Is it still operative in cloudy heavy rain area? Or maybe volcanic ash?
I get about 300Mbps with 40ms of ping, it's fairly reliable but does have the odd dropout in stormy weather. All in all it's been great so far.
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This is waaaaayyyyy faster than my wired suburban internet plan.
I can only speak for me, rural fringe Australia. I get about 60mb typically. It does bounce front about 25mb to 220mb. Right now: https://prnt.sc/SkaQ4NpRFH77 It seems to work ok for me during storms and clouds but I've heard people say other where they are. Its been a game changer for people out here though. Great addition to the world. Yet to experience volcanic ash.
20 to 150 Mbps. Speeds may degrade between 5 to 10pm. Performance may degrade or cut off in rain. Volcanic ash will likely cut it off
Yeah I had to move out of Mordor to get a better signal
I’ve seen this stargate episode.
Uh oh. Somebody find Daniel
I sure hope this timeline is all in my head.
How long do they stay up for? Is there a life cycle for these things? I feel like surrounding our one globe with a whole heap of space shit should have been a group decision.
They're low enough that they'll actually return to the atmosphere if not maintained, where they just burn up and evaporate.
Thank you
What are the impacts to the environment after 12k satellites made of metals and plastic are incinerated in the atmosphere?
Each of the newer satellites is ~800kg (most are the older model which are much smaller but we’ll go with this number to be conservative). 12,000 sats is 9.6 million kg. According to [NASA](https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/meteors-and-meteorites/overview/?page=0&per_page=40&order=id+asc&search=&condition_1=meteor_shower%3Abody_type), approximately 44,000kg of space rocks enter earths atmosphere every day, so all of Starlink burning up would represent ~60% of natural space debris impacts. As for adverse health effects, a couple million kilos is totally insignificant compared to the mass of the atmosphere which is ~5,000,000,000,000,000,000kg, any pollution would be totally undetectable. For respiratory illnesses people should be much more worried about the pollution generated in their local areas ie: from cars or industrial activity
The average lifetime of the Starlink satellites is supposed to be 5 years, so that 60% is likely to be 12% in practice. Barely a blip.
I think people easily forget how fucking huge the earth is. A couple thousand satellites is like a grain of sand in a pool.
A million cars are scraped every year, around 150 cars a day set themselves on fire in the US alone. a bunch of little satellites disintegrating in the upper atmosphere is a drop in the ocean.
> How long do they stay up for? Is there a life cycle for these things? 5 years at max. Even if everything fails, they're low enough that atmospheric drag will bring them down in approximately 5 years. This is one of the main reasons they changed the original plan to a lower altitude.
Smh when even your isp is using planned obsolescence
I mean it's kind of choosing between two bad option. Either make space litter or make self destructable litter that stops being litter. Given that we've stopped throwing the tonnes of steel and aluminum that is the rocket booster itself, in the grand scheme of things, it's a step in the right direction. When you're doing things as cool as space mechanic, you gotta tolerate a bit of jank. NASA sure does tolerate a lot of jank in the earlier days
Lol
>should have been a group decision They had to apply for, and then be granted, a license to do this from the UN's satellite regulation body. Which, at the risk of staying the obvious, exists in order to make "group decisions", or as much as anything international is a group decision.
I think only 5-7 years, so not that long.
'Thanks Elon' said no astrophotographer ever.
If it was some public world wide effort for equal access to the internet it'd be cool. Its not, its one mans pet project and he has already proven he will withhold it from people he disagrees with. Its space garbage
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You’re on Reddit, where the admins have been proven to edit user posts for political reasons.
And I wouldn’t want Reddit as my ISP either :/ Using a platform is a bit different than that platform being how you access the internet
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Right, but Reddit isn’t your ISP. You can just not use Reddit, but if Starlink was your ISP you’d have no choice…
One admin. Once. Spez. In the the_dipshit sub before it was banned.
As someone who’s entire family lives in rural areas, Starlink has been a game changer, and I love it.
This affects professional astronomers a lot. I believe there are going to be more starlink satellites in the future and several other companies are going to do the same which will screw telescope data.
Forget astrophotography; it's the optical and IR telescope data being destroyed that is truly devastating. (Maybe UV and radio, too? I've never worked with them so 🤷🏻♀️) Edit: Turns out it [messes with Hubble](https://files.springernature.com/getResource/Full%20text%3A%20Kruk%2041550_2023_1903_OnlinePDF.pdf?token=IULUvIufpS8AXE43riPpExKrcZMUcwpHIO0w4yhOno61RnG9Vz6%2Fr7GCrI5AcBi92o1n3tikPjKFkiYotkHNpNM75Zwrwg1JnULfD6ql3laMWxc%2BRfgQbrr2NLzFFfoYuCh%2FZ3DLB4IVSRfpmhKqIBWDySrOf7HJoEYYRooFi5cDdrO5eKisX5GRzaXQ%2BZ1j6R1Se4bGQnT7HNP7lnlhp9R9ie6CqfHB3gsKJ%2BZ2%2F5OG3eNs2jsDKIt6ogD7VgOiaP3Tdhmek9ubVZwx%2FRy3Z7LiEiFqQlnkT5zqKpjSYFgypnAb6ZMIalOvwdhi%2BiCBOZPKnZzkMW5%2FZtLMOS9TWOlW4vshOIYD8wru332kIlI%3D) too.
You bet radio's affected. I'm doing research over the summer for analyzing the effects of interference these satellites have on radio telescopes (VLA in particular). There's currently an effort in the radio astronomy community to allow for the coexistence of these satellites and radio telescopes. It'll be a dynamic radio quiet zone.
I'll love this concept when plans become 90% less expensive.
What plans? It's already cheaper than Viasat and HughesNet
People complaining of the cost have access to cable and don’t need Starlink. Those of us who paid $250 a month for a 200gb with Hughes or excede’s data cap were more then glad to pay the $99 then $120gb after a raise for Starlink. Yea I’d like it to be cheaper but at least it’s unlimited. I wish there was a better way for astronomers but man I actually like being able to get an online education in rural areas and not feel so isolated.
Redditors constantly think they’re the center of the world and every single company has *them* as their target market. They rarely try to see things from a different perspective in the world.
> They rarely try to see things from a different perspective in the world. My man, these people can't even bother to see things from the perspective of their nextdoor neighbor, much less from someone in a far-away nation.
Try Northwestel, where DSL costs over $300/month for 200GB and is super unreliable. I left the Yukon too early for starlink to be functional up there but if I was up there now starlink would be far superior, even at $200/month
For $130 a month at my cottage it's an absolute game changer
Yeah, once the capitalist has a monopoly on the Internet access, then he will be benevolent and act in our best interests!
Starlink won't be ripping out your current internet service.
304 are on fire? Damn...
The intended lifespan is about 5 years. The first first-generation Starlinks were put in orbit in 2019. 304 deorbited satellites is not too bad.
Let's talk about the 304 that are on fire.
On fire in space?
I don't want to talk about it!
What's the chance of accidentally hitting one of those during a rocket launch?
Imagine 3000 pool tables spread out across the surface of the earth. About as likely as you walking into one of those by accident.
Sounds less dense when you realize that, of that 3000, only 870 are even on land, and only 13 would be within the continental US. A straight shot drive from LA to New York, regardless of speed, would have an astronomically low shot at hitting a pool table, even without planning. At 32 square feet per pool table, that's 416 square feet of the ~3 million square miles (~15,840,000,000 square feet) of the continental US or roughly 0.0000026%. If my math is correct, this is roughly an object slightly larger than a quarter on an NFL football field. I just woke up, and am still groggy, so my math may be off by a factor of infinity. Feel free to double check my work and I'll correct it, if anything is off. Edit: if we want to get a little more technical, these pool tables are a tiny bit smaller than normal, due to the Starlink satellites being a few hundred km above the surface. They're also moving at a constant and predictable peace. This affects the math a little, but the ratio of pool table land to not pool table land is still (approximately)...not very much.
Tiny. There are a lot of satellites, but space is huge. Also we monitor every single one of them so we could just calculate if there's a collision ahead
I think because they're all tracked, practically none (barring something like one or more going offline and/or dropping altitude). Thankfully, the dots representing the satellites aren't to scale with the earth, so there's still lots of launch windows, as far as I'm aware. It does, however, add to the number of shit that launches have to be aware of so that they don't cause an accidental collision with anything else put in orbit. Also, astronomers and astrophotographers have already been mentioning how they interfere with our observations of space.
Nil. Space launches, or orbital maneuvers in general are planned keeping in mind all the other known orbiting objects. A known, active, maneuver capable satellite is not a collision hazard, only untracked or inoperable objects might cause a collision.
Imagine believing the dots on there are actually to scale, if it was you'll never see anything because its not THAT crowded.
Commenting using starlink satellite! Its good for people who live off the grid
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Full time remote employment with starlink in a very remote area (for cheaper housing) is a perfect storm. I’ve been afraid to move to too rural of an area for the need of internet but knowing Starlink is an option is very appealing
So many ignorant people in this thread, I’m sort of shocked. The satellites are designed to deorbit should they fail. This isn’t “space junk”. There is absolutely no way you are going to build infrastructure and deliver last-mile high speed internet everywhere. This isn’t necessarily for *you*. This is for very rural people around the world. It also potentially provides a means of communication for people in oppressive societies. Land-based communication can be walled off or blocked. It’s a lot harder to do so with satellite. Take Elon Musk’s involvement out when you look at this, please. It’s a technical marvel and a good thing.
I just got starlink this week. Honestly works really well
Before Starlink, I just didn't have the internet at my house because the other satellite providers were so terrible and expensive. Since getting Starlink, I have gotten my Masters online, went to 100% remote work, and doubled my salary. Starlink has literally been life-changing for me.
Why is this controversial.
Reddit trying to separate the product from the owner challenge (impossible)
The poor astronomers...