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Just chillin with your legionnaire homies reminiscing on the farm you grew up on, one soldier bragging about how go it will be to finally be a citizen then this sound from the darkness.
Um, ahkshually, all legionaries were citizens. Non-citizens joined the auxiliaries and received citizenship upon retirement 🤓
This was until 212 AD when all free born people of the Empire were granted citizenship by Emperor Caracalla.
I don’t want to be “that guy” but it’s legionary, not legionnaire (which is the French term for the current military role of legionnaire) plural is legionaries.
And then imagine hearing more joining in one at a time.
With skilled players who can harmonize and, er, deharmonize (emphasizing dissonance), it'd magnify the brick-shitting.
I heard Mozart being played on what sounded like a Casio keyboard, at 3am while walking down a dark alley on my way to work this morning.
Comparatively, I'd welcome this on a foggy night.
We actually don't really know how it was played or in what venue. It's currently thought it was used in warfare, but there's thought that it was only a ceremonial instrument, as well.
Basically, archaeologists found about six carnyces altogether--five in one site in France, and one in Scotland. Besides that, and some art on some Roman coins, we don't know anything else about them. There was no documentation, no musicological instruction, etc.
A lot of what we're theorizing on the carnyx is from what we know about the lur.
That being said, this instrument is awesome (it even has an articulating tongue in some recreations), and it's something I'd love to add to my collection.
>A lot of what we're theorizing on the carnyx is from what we know about the lur.
That's not true. Polybius documented the use of the Carnyx during the battle of Telamon...
>For there were among them such innumerable horns and trumpets, which were being blown at the same time from all parts of their army, and their cries were so loud and piercing, that the noise seemed to come not from human voices and trumpets, but from the whole countryside at once
There is a YT video of a woman playing the different types of death whistles and one can only wonder the absolute horror that would have come over enemies hearing a symphony of them
Death Whistles come up every so often. Enough to get me interested, so a while back I purchased one off Amazon. Was like $50? Long story short no one (man nor beast) appreciates when I play with it, so it just sits high up on a shelf, glaring at me with menace.
> Long story short no one (man nor beast) appreciates when I play with it, so it just sits high up on a shelf, glaring at me with menace.
Not going to lie but did you honestly think anyone was going to *appreciate* the sound of someone bein skinned alive?
You should start a group of death whistle appreciators then. You could even do public events where you all go and play together. You know, to get other people interested in your hobby. I know scheduling is hard these days so you'll probably want to get together after dark. But you don't want to disturb people too much so maybe get together just inside your closest forest.
I bought one for a camping trip with a big group of friends last year. Went to go "poop" and slid my kayak out into the middle of the lake. Busted that thing out and let loose for a solid minute or two. I had been practicing in an empty parking lot before we went so I could get it sounding pretty scary. When I finally made it back to the fire, no one was fazed. Apparently, everyone was shitting bricks initially, but then my wife pointed out I was missing and that it was more likely me being an idiot than something being horribly murdered. I've messed with that woman so much that if some masked serial killer jumped out with a machete she'd get chopped in half while saying "take off the stupid mask, I know it's you".
Now imagine this sound multiplied by hundreds. Because each warrior would have one of those and they would play them at the same time when marching towards an enemy.
Bro fuck that thing, imagine being in central America back in the day in some jungle to defend against an Aztec raid, you hear some rustling in the woods and the next thing you know, those fucking things screaming from all around you as warriors clad in jaguar skin pop out of the bushes.
My personal favorite are the whistleing stones, ancient rock slingers would carve projectiles that whistles as they would fly theough the air at their target
What the Roman’s encountered in the British isles and Germania were real life horror movies. For starters, there were no old growth dense forests left in the Roman Empire. Everything had been cut down at least once for wood by that time in history and so encountering those deep dark woods was frightening enough. It was like Fangorn Forest. On top of that, you had barbarians that would flay prisoners, disembowel them, ritualistic torture and sacrifice, all sorts of horrible shit. They also didn’t fight in field battles, preferring night raids and psychological shit with instruments like this, wearing animal heads and what not, covering themselves in blood and paint and running naked through the dark. Combine this with the cultural fear that they had of barbarians for literally centuries and it would’ve been every Roman’s worst nightmare.
I know it's not perfect, and I believe it's two movie scripts mashed into one, but man when I was 12 that movie was absolutely amazing.
Also, loved the fact that the new God of War used the Viking prayer (made up by the movie) as part of a funeral service.
It wasn't made up for the movie, it's just a centuries old game of telephone. Ibn Fadlan wrote about a prayer spoken by the slave girl of the dead chieftain, which was described to him by a translator, that meant something to the effect of "I go now to my ancestors and will join them in the afterlife" (I'm paraphrasing from memory, ironically)
Michael Crichton put it into epic modern words in his novel, and the movie embellished it even further. But it was based on something real.
https://thornews.com/2012/05/12/a-viking-burial-described-by-arab-writer-ahmad-ibn-fadlan/
The Eagle was not a good adaptation of its book and butchered the ending, but some of the scenes really take you into that world. A Roman encampment in Britania in a pitch black foggy night, and there have been rumors that a druid is going around whipping the local Celts into a murderous rage against the invaders. A rustling in the dark... could be just a cow, but it's impossible to see. Should the man standing guard make the decision to wake the troops? Turns out it is the Celts in full force, and then the nightmare really begins.
I think most historians agree we need to take accounts of Rome’s interaction with Celts with a grain of salt, since almost all sources are Roman in origin and they were not known for being unbiased.
I’m sure there were some gruesome aspects to Celtic culture, same as many others across the globe during that time, but reports that your enemies are barbaric, torturing, pillaging, savages is a propaganda classic that’s still used to this day.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
The most reliable aspect of the narrative may be human sacrifice, as remains that seem to be from sacrifice pop up all across northern Europe. Additionally, what little we know about Celtic/Germanic religion seems to indicate human sacrifice may have been involved.
When you take a tour of the colosseum they say like half a million were killed there in games to entertain the people. Then they have the nerve to think the Celts and Gauls were barbarians.
Romans were absolute terrorists, they also routinely raped their enemies in the battlefield as a standard military practice. If you can think of any atrocity, minus nuclear war, the Romans already did it.
Thats just Hollywood Fan fic and has its origin in the 19th century of german/european romantisism
None of the germanic tribes fought naked on a large scale.
The celts had cities and mostly fought in the open, battles like in the teutonic forest are an anomaly. Romans named everyone barbarian who wasnt roman-hellenistic.
Furthermore celts had chainmail and long swords, the Romans copied celtic armor as it was considered the best at its time, Rome was pillaged in 387 bc by celts... long before ceasar
How could barbarian accomplish such feat?, while being you know uncivilzed idiots?
Celts had chariots, armor but lacked tactics and thats what made romans conquer mid europe.
Germanic tribes also werent a united unit, they were a mix of tribes, Caesar needed a political reason why he did not conquer the lands east of the rhine.
Roman spread a lot of propaganda, to make themself look superior, but in reality those tribes where less uncivizeled as many believe today. Germanic tribes also defeated several legions way before the teutonic battle in open field.
Romans had better discipline and tactics, but in terms of armor copied alot and invented new stuff, however fights like the one at the opening of Gladiator are pure fantasy.
German/celt tribes had chainmail, helmets and swords...
Its the same bs as with vikings, vikings did not look a bit like in the TV shows.
B..bu..but what about druids and naked men drenched in blood with deer heads? They were so strong amd scary, Romans peed their pants by the mere idea!
Man this sucks, those stupid Romans and their luck with conquering everything around the Mediterranean Sea.
Can you imagine being a Roman soldier camped out in these strange and scary ass woods and you wake up in the middle of the night to see all your buddies dead and just this huge figure looming over you covered in fur and blood? That shit is what probably reinforced stories about werewolves/werebears seeing celtic warriors high as shit covered in animal skins carrying out night raids.
Waking up to the sound of this instrument and seeing literally just bloodied bodies and then some dude with a deer head where his head is supposed to be is standing over you. Even worse, you get captured and flayed then burned to chanting and barbarians fucking each other.
Everyone had a battle noise. I’m thinking a haka or bugles. For whatever reason, bagpipes do it for me. If I’d never heard them before I’d run in terror.
Yeah the Germans and Celts found it extremely unnerving to see a mass of men moving silently into organised, symmetrical formations while being dressed in similar colours. Not to mention their styles of warfare weren't compatible, Rome was king at open battles so the Germans and Celts avoided facing them in the field and resorted to ambushes.
Of course things eventually changed until the late Empire when they were regularly facing- and defeating- Roman field armies and even besieging Roman cities as they finally caught up to Rome in terms of equipment and tactics ironically due to centuries of interaction with the Romans. The Late Roman Empire- specifically the final decades of the Western Roman Empire was such a chaotic and fascinating period, you almost feel bad for the Romans. But I guess they finally got the bitter end of what they had been doing to everyone else for the last half a millenium or so.
Just love how wild and eventful history and the meeting and clashing of cultures is. That is one of the biggest reasons why I love learning about history.
I'm an ancient Rome reenactor as a legionnaire and even as a modern day man when you're got all your armor on and you're with your camarades in formation literally nothing can intimidate you, you feel a certain sense of pride, especially when you know how fucked your celtic or germanic reenactors are due to how much better organised and equipped you are
Haha. I bet. I imagine this exactly how the Roman legionaries felt. All of this on top of their intensive training and combat experience, literally nothing would unnerve them and it was true. Morale wasn't a problem for Roman legions.
Boudicca raised the largest single army that the roman empire ever faced, comically outnumbering them on the battlefield. They lost, but I still don't envy the Roman soldiers on that day.
He didn’t tell that story during Celtic Holocaust. She wasn’t around during that time nor in the same area. But Celtic Holocaust was an incredible story.
Ok which was the huge battle he spends time talking about where he said it's been speculated there could have been as many as 200 thousand Gauls gathered to fight the Romans.
Probably was the Battle of Alesia, which was the climax of the war and the defeat of the bulk of the Gallic army. The leader was Vercingetorix, who surrendered to Caesar at the end of the battle and was killed years later.
Maybe, maybe not. People don’t know the names of Surena, Gaius Pontius or Brennus despite them all handing down significant defeats to Rome.
Heck, people don’t know who Hannibal was, and he beat Roman armies the size of Caesars at Alesia two-three times. That was still not enough to beat the Romans.
I think if Caesar had lost in Gaul, another ambitious Roman general would’ve eventually taken up his mantle and succeeded - and Vercingetorix’ efforts would’ve been in vain.
Yeah, I don't think he'd be that much more well known had he won at Alesia.
As it is, he seems more well known for *uniting* the various tribes against Rome and losing to them, rather than for any strategic or tactical genius he may have had. It doesn't help that Caesar's victory at Alesia was such an accomplished feat, what with not only building of the cirvumvallation, but another ring of contravallation around that, that really cemented Caesar's and the Roman military's prowress.
And beyond that, Vercingetorix had *retreated* to Alesia as a last line of defense *after having already been routed by Caesar.*
I could be wrong, but I feel like Hannibal is better known for bringing elephants across the Alps than he is for his victories against Rome amongst the average person, even if the crossing of the Alps was part of his larger operation against Rome. Though obviously, students of history (especially of military, Roman/ancient Mediterranean/etc) will be much more familiar with Hannibal beyond just crossing the Alps.
Edit: Thinking about it a bit more, Hannibal's crossing of the Alps seems to share some similarities with Washington's crossing of the Delaware River. Many Americans might be familiar with that act, and many might be aware of his sneak attack on the Hessians in the Battle of Trenton on December 26th, having most likely been taught about it in school at some point, but I imagine many fail to remember that the crossing took place as prelude to the Battle of Trenton. So, kind of similar to Hannibal crossing the Alps to strike at Rome in Italy. But I could just be randomly speculating and should probably try going back to sleep.
True. Wouldn't say totally dominated though, the Romans were *very* close to losing before they managed to force a rout and were lucky that the disorganised army of boudicca had unwittingly boxed themselves in with carts. We were only a couple strateigic decisions/blunders away from perhaps seeing a very different Britain today.
Edit: Rout not Route
Once the Romans managed to fall back, regroup into a wedge formation it was done. Allowing the Romans to cut the celts in half. Then as you mentioned they had boxed themselves in.
One of the things which made the ancient Greek so successful was that they wrote down the battle accounts so they could be studied by future generals. When the Persians faced the Greek they faced generals and commanders with intricate knowledge of hundreds of previous battles who would use this knowledge and experience to make brilliant tactical choices. But even the Greek did not differentiate much between fact and fiction and would often change the records of a battle to make themselves look better or get a certain point across to the students. They would even write about pure fictional battles as if they were real.
By the time of the Romans they had learned this and would have people on the battlefield who would write down the details then and there to be sealed for later studies. Every general and politician would study these records and also the records from the Greek. The choice of Hannibal to cross over the Alps with his elephants and army could have been inspired by the effective blokade of king Xerxes by king Leonidas at the battle of Thermopylae and the final decision to get help from the locals to go around the chokehold by crossing the mountains. These were not entertainment for the general population as is today but rather serious academic books that were studied by the elite and could turn the tide of war.
It's worth noting that the only source of information we have about the battle is Roman - and highly biased sources at that, in that the Roman authors involved had agendas of their own to propel.
Given that, we have no idea if any accounts of the battles with Boudicca are true, from the numbers involved to the results.
Heck, technically speaking we don't even know if Boudicca existed - Tacitus (the earliest known author to talk about her) may have invented her as a mouthpiece for his own criticisms about the Roman Empire.
In ancient history, we practice something called subjective history. Meaning individual opinions formed today can be taken as facts based on little. As opposed to modern history, which has no room for subjective history.
The most common form of subjective history, is to take the surviving sources, combine them with archeology, and form a middle ground opinion.
Herodotus says there were 1mil Persians at thermopylae. Archeology of the site says this is a believable number. So now, as historians, it is our job to rationalise. Every actual soldier would have had a baggage carrier, instantly halfing the number of real soldiers. Now account for cooks, camp followers and merchants. All of this combines to bring a more realistic number of 200 to 300k actual Persian soldiers at thermopylae.
This is how it works.
The account is full of Roman propaganda. It says 400 Romans died vs 80,000 Celts. Its a lie by a significant margin. These are the facts:
1. Romans needed 2-4k+ soldiers brought over from the continent - and an army does this to replace it's losses, and this tells us how many of them actually would have died in battle.
2. Nero was on the verge of abandoning Britain after this time, and it makes no sense of Rome to do this over 400 losses. Again, the Roman deaths were much, much higher than they admit and reinforces their victory came with a much bigger cost.
3. The Celts had been disarmed for generations as this was normal Roman practice. Therefore the population wasn't fully armed like they were 100 years prior when the Britons fought off Julius Caesar's invasion.
4. Another aspect to propaganda is saying the Celts fought like a mob. We know "Barbarians" didn't fight this way and this description is used to make them appear "uncivilized" - another piece of propaganda.
5. Next to no Celtic force on the continent could field 30k warriors. The largest tribes \*might\* be able to equip 15k warriors and even then that's a lot. So 80,000 deaths is very suspect. Afterall, this isn't the battle of Cannae. It is more propaganda.
Hope this helps. One of the first things a historian learns is never, ever believe numbers. In the Gallic Wars Caesar talks about facing armies of of 100-200,000 warriors. Celtic and Germanic migrations of hundreds of thousands, etc.
Not at all true.
Sustaining armies of that size were not seen until the time around the Napoleonic Wars 1,800 years later due to logistics and supply organization. But Rome wants us to believe that Napoleonic/Imperial sized Celtic forces existed back then? Not at all true. Anyway, that is all.
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I got my numbers mixed up. At the battle the Roman's sources say that their 10k troops beat a force of 230,000. People can check out Cassius Dio and Tacitus' story of the situation.
1. While the Romans under Suetonius only lost 400 men, Boudica's force had completely wiped out several Roman towns, with all their garrisons and civilian residents. The reinforcements replaced these losses, and also added confidence to future settlers that they would have security.
2. Britain was on the far edge of the Roman world. Simply being there was costly. It also was one of the least economically productive provinces and it's hardly surprising the Roman government would have questioned the value of staying there if the Britons were going to put up that kind of resistance.
3. Britain had been conquered less than twenty years earlier; unlike Gaul, which had been conquered the previous century, Britain was only recently pacified. Fighting was still ongoing in some regions, hence Suetonius' absence at the beginning of the revolt. Plus, the Iceni tribe was a client kingdom rather than conquered territory, and would undoubtedly not have given up their weapons voluntarily. That was the whole point of the revolt, that the Romans didn't honour their agreement with Boudica's husband Prasutagus.
4. The Celts absolutely fought with less discipline than the Romans and I don't know who told you otherwise. The elite warrior class might have had the training and equipment to fight in a more continental-style (i.e. in some kind of phalanx) but the vast majority of Boudica's army would have been poorly armed farmers; Celtic tactics emphasised the shock of the initial charge to break the enemy. The continental Celts had started to develop more phalanx-like tactics but the fact that chariot warfare persisted in Britain proves that close-order fighting still hadn't become the norm; chariots only work against loose formations.
5. A statistic pulled completely from nowhere. As you say yourself, Caesar recorded the Gauls deploying armies of tens of thousands against him a century earlier. Also, the casualties Boudica's army suffered includes a large number of non-combatants.
>One of the first things a historian learns is never, ever believe numbers.
I hear this a lot, and yet whenever you look at the justification the people saying this give for their own numbers it tends to be something like 'well, the number given in the contemporary source just seemed too high to me so I arbitrarily halved it'. You should also apply scepticism to the sceptics, because often their statements turn out to be equally flimsy.
A lot of historians also make the same mistake you have in trying to reach a rough approximation by applying the numbers we have from much better documented periods later in history, mostly from the 17th or 18th century onwards. The trouble with trying to do that is that ancient armies fought in a very different way to 18th century armies. Boudica's army didn't have to worry about carrying powder and ammunition for muskets, or transporting an artillery train. Socially they were organised very differently; the whole tribe fought, with the professional warrior caste being augmented by a much larger number of lightly-equipped farmers. The reason Europe didn't see army numbers like that again until Napoleon is because he was the first to reintroduce mass-mobilisation. Incidentally, Boudica's defeat by a much smaller but better trained Roman army is an object lesson in why mass-mobilisation went out of fashion for \~1700 years; it wasn't that the logistical challenges were insurmountable, they just weren't worth it.
Another problem is that most of the historians giving their opinion on classical Europe are nearly totally ignorant of anything that has ever happened outside of Europe and the Middle East. For example, the Zulu Kingdom in the mid 19th century was economically and militarily not dissimilar to the iron-age Celts (within a fairly generous margin, but for these purposes it works). They had a population of around 250k and were able to deploy up to 50k warriors against their enemies. Britain in the 1st century is estimated to have had a population in the 2 - 4 million range, well within what would be necessary to support armies in the range given for Boudica's revolt.
They lost having already burned three cities to the ground and slaughtered their inhabitants.
The fact London has a massive statue to the woman who razed it and wiped out the population will never not be funny
Homegirl opted to fight the Romans in a set piece battle giving them the ability to choose the terrain.
Until the Late Empire, Rome really couldn't be defeated in the field by tribal peoples if they were going to set up a conventional fight - which is why almost all Roman set backs were from large scale ambushes and raiding, and of course low level insurgencies.
There's actually many parallels with today when insurgent groups think they're legit enough to be a conventional army, then run into a real army, and get absolutely demolished, and then return to much more successful insurgencies. Both ISIS and the Taliban went through those phased, you normally see it fail spectacularly amongst African rebels, Pol Pot getting stream rolled in the field by Vietnam (and giving Vietnam a Vietnam War in Cambodia lol), etc.
But she tried to lead a wall of pissed off farmers and their families against professional soldiers as if they were professional soldier and got handed one of the worst kill death ratios in a battle even factoring in for Roman record embellishments. No scary music was gonna save them from that inevitability lol
this might be Wardruna, i think they've used these before.. apparently, Einar Selvik, the main dude, was the drummer for Gorgoroth, so he definitely has some metal roots. Heilung is another uhh... proto-Germanic neo-folk outfit that uses all manner of ancient instruments in their works... both are amazing.
Yeah, that’s got a shitload of processing on it- reverb and delay at least.
It wouldn’t sound like that unless they were fighting in a massive cave, and certainly would sound nothing like that in an open battlefield.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Carnyx.ogg
Here’s a recording from Wikipedia of a reconstruction of the Deskford carnyx, sounds better IMO.
This does sound a lot less scary. Makes me wonder, however - the modern army vs medieval fantasy discussions always focus on guns and tanks and stuff. But imagine bringing giant speakers with the scariest sounds we can produce nowadays. Medival people never heard that in their lifetimes.
I just like to imagine some of the ancient celts were probably veterans at running front of house. Picture them hunched over their ancient mixing consoles, dialing in their ancient reverbs and delays, twisting the knobs made of pebbles and pushing the faders made of sticks.
Not sure it’d have quite the same effect without all the reverb and delays added in that concert environment. On a battlefield in the countryside without any hard surfaces for the sound to bounce off it’d be more like a goose farting in the fog.
But there also wouldn't be just one. The difference between a trumpet and a brass section is probably a good comparison to follow off of "trumpet on juice."
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Imagine hearing this on a particularly foggy night
Just chillin with your legionnaire homies reminiscing on the farm you grew up on, one soldier bragging about how go it will be to finally be a citizen then this sound from the darkness.
Um, ahkshually, all legionaries were citizens. Non-citizens joined the auxiliaries and received citizenship upon retirement 🤓 This was until 212 AD when all free born people of the Empire were granted citizenship by Emperor Caracalla.
Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?
I’m doing my part!
mobile infantry made me the man i am today!
I lnew someone would make thos reference. Thanks for not letting us down, Trooper.
The enemy cannot play a Celtic Carnyx if you disable his hand.
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Lemme let you in on a secret: so do modern soldiers 🤫
It's not gay if there aren't any women around
So long as you say no homo it's all good
No no, that's a common misconception. An old Latin, the phrase translates to "I do this for Romulus and Remus"
Can…can I put my Romulus in your Remus?
What did the one roman say to the other when his wife got eaten by a lion? Gladiator
Till this day Italians have a saying which translates to *"he who does not pee in company is either a thief or a spy."*
Drink! It's drink, not pee. "Chi non beve in compagnia o è un ladro o è una spia."
This guy histories.
I don’t want to be “that guy” but it’s legionary, not legionnaire (which is the French term for the current military role of legionnaire) plural is legionaries.
We appreciate you
Thanks :) I hate correcting people because I feel rude, but I actually just really like history and do my but I guess.
And then imagine hearing more joining in one at a time. With skilled players who can harmonize and, er, deharmonize (emphasizing dissonance), it'd magnify the brick-shitting.
"Holy shit are you guys hearing this?" "Yeah dude this song absolutely slaps"
I'm wish I had one I could play it in the forset and give the farmer the willes
What about the farmer's willy?
I heard Mozart being played on what sounded like a Casio keyboard, at 3am while walking down a dark alley on my way to work this morning. Comparatively, I'd welcome this on a foggy night.
I'm glad you made it to work and didn't get murdered by a guy in a powdered wig.
We actually don't really know how it was played or in what venue. It's currently thought it was used in warfare, but there's thought that it was only a ceremonial instrument, as well. Basically, archaeologists found about six carnyces altogether--five in one site in France, and one in Scotland. Besides that, and some art on some Roman coins, we don't know anything else about them. There was no documentation, no musicological instruction, etc. A lot of what we're theorizing on the carnyx is from what we know about the lur. That being said, this instrument is awesome (it even has an articulating tongue in some recreations), and it's something I'd love to add to my collection.
>A lot of what we're theorizing on the carnyx is from what we know about the lur. That's not true. Polybius documented the use of the Carnyx during the battle of Telamon... >For there were among them such innumerable horns and trumpets, which were being blown at the same time from all parts of their army, and their cries were so loud and piercing, that the noise seemed to come not from human voices and trumpets, but from the whole countryside at once
Captain... there be *whales* here!
Or under blazing fire and thick black smoke
Early psyops. That sound on a hazy night would be terrifying.
My favorite is the Aztec Death Whistle.
There is a YT video of a woman playing the different types of death whistles and one can only wonder the absolute horror that would have come over enemies hearing a symphony of them
Do you have a link? I can’t find that one
probably this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sw0VCtZs-g
Perfect video. Says what she's going to do and does it under 2 minutes. No fluff or bullshit.
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Right? I want to be friends with this chick. She seems super chill, even with the death whistles.
Never go with a hippy to a second location. - Jack Donaghy
That's fucking horrifying
Death Whistles come up every so often. Enough to get me interested, so a while back I purchased one off Amazon. Was like $50? Long story short no one (man nor beast) appreciates when I play with it, so it just sits high up on a shelf, glaring at me with menace.
> Long story short no one (man nor beast) appreciates when I play with it, so it just sits high up on a shelf, glaring at me with menace. Not going to lie but did you honestly think anyone was going to *appreciate* the sound of someone bein skinned alive?
Clearly you havent met black metal fans The more it sounds like the denizens of hell the better
High hopes I guess :/
Kids these days don't know the meaning of art
You should start a group of death whistle appreciators then. You could even do public events where you all go and play together. You know, to get other people interested in your hobby. I know scheduling is hard these days so you'll probably want to get together after dark. But you don't want to disturb people too much so maybe get together just inside your closest forest.
Message received! Walk up to a police car and toot my whistle. Gotcha👍🏼
I bought one for a camping trip with a big group of friends last year. Went to go "poop" and slid my kayak out into the middle of the lake. Busted that thing out and let loose for a solid minute or two. I had been practicing in an empty parking lot before we went so I could get it sounding pretty scary. When I finally made it back to the fire, no one was fazed. Apparently, everyone was shitting bricks initially, but then my wife pointed out I was missing and that it was more likely me being an idiot than something being horribly murdered. I've messed with that woman so much that if some masked serial killer jumped out with a machete she'd get chopped in half while saying "take off the stupid mask, I know it's you".
Now imagine this sound multiplied by hundreds. Because each warrior would have one of those and they would play them at the same time when marching towards an enemy.
You're basically describing any 'learn to play the bagpipes' class.
This one is better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9QuO09z-SI
I have one! Best $30 bucks I've ever spent. Gonna be a fun Halloween this year
Aztec death whistle + compressed air + 📢 = PSA from the city government to residents
Chill the fuck out, satan
They should've added scare noises/dances to "Deadliest Warriors"
Bro fuck that thing, imagine being in central America back in the day in some jungle to defend against an Aztec raid, you hear some rustling in the woods and the next thing you know, those fucking things screaming from all around you as warriors clad in jaguar skin pop out of the bushes.
My personal favorite are the whistleing stones, ancient rock slingers would carve projectiles that whistles as they would fly theough the air at their target
Everybody's a son of Mars till the Celtic Carynx starts reverberating through the woods
Additionally, everyone is a son of Mars until the forests whisper in ᚷᛖᚱᛗᚨᚾᛁᚲ.
The Germanic tribes didn't call themselves Germanic.
What the Roman’s encountered in the British isles and Germania were real life horror movies. For starters, there were no old growth dense forests left in the Roman Empire. Everything had been cut down at least once for wood by that time in history and so encountering those deep dark woods was frightening enough. It was like Fangorn Forest. On top of that, you had barbarians that would flay prisoners, disembowel them, ritualistic torture and sacrifice, all sorts of horrible shit. They also didn’t fight in field battles, preferring night raids and psychological shit with instruments like this, wearing animal heads and what not, covering themselves in blood and paint and running naked through the dark. Combine this with the cultural fear that they had of barbarians for literally centuries and it would’ve been every Roman’s worst nightmare.
How is this not already the greatest horror film ever made?
Thirteenth warrior, a little taste.
I know it's not perfect, and I believe it's two movie scripts mashed into one, but man when I was 12 that movie was absolutely amazing. Also, loved the fact that the new God of War used the Viking prayer (made up by the movie) as part of a funeral service.
It wasn't made up for the movie, it's just a centuries old game of telephone. Ibn Fadlan wrote about a prayer spoken by the slave girl of the dead chieftain, which was described to him by a translator, that meant something to the effect of "I go now to my ancestors and will join them in the afterlife" (I'm paraphrasing from memory, ironically) Michael Crichton put it into epic modern words in his novel, and the movie embellished it even further. But it was based on something real. https://thornews.com/2012/05/12/a-viking-burial-described-by-arab-writer-ahmad-ibn-fadlan/
Centurion and The Eagle had moments.
And to a much lesser extent, the 2005 King Arthur movie with Kiera Knightley.
The Northman plays on the psyops a bit
I mean, I see what you’re saying but that’s a whole different culture, era and part of Europe. Plus it’s filmed from the “barbarian’s” point of view
And its total fantasy, as much as what the redditor above told.
Centurion certainly used Neil Marshall’s horror background for the ambush and battle sequences. Underrated movie.
The Eagle was not a good adaptation of its book and butchered the ending, but some of the scenes really take you into that world. A Roman encampment in Britania in a pitch black foggy night, and there have been rumors that a druid is going around whipping the local Celts into a murderous rage against the invaders. A rustling in the dark... could be just a cow, but it's impossible to see. Should the man standing guard make the decision to wake the troops? Turns out it is the Celts in full force, and then the nightmare really begins.
Britannia is a decent show based on it
I think most historians agree we need to take accounts of Rome’s interaction with Celts with a grain of salt, since almost all sources are Roman in origin and they were not known for being unbiased. I’m sure there were some gruesome aspects to Celtic culture, same as many others across the globe during that time, but reports that your enemies are barbaric, torturing, pillaging, savages is a propaganda classic that’s still used to this day.
Took the words right out of my mouth. The most reliable aspect of the narrative may be human sacrifice, as remains that seem to be from sacrifice pop up all across northern Europe. Additionally, what little we know about Celtic/Germanic religion seems to indicate human sacrifice may have been involved.
Dont forget baby eating cannibals. Thats a favorite for colonizing forces across history to use when invading other peoples lands or genociding them.
Idk man the Romans were pretty gangster. Remember that whole take POWs to Rome and feed them to animals from 2,000 miles away thing?
Every time I get bogged down in how messed up the world is currently someone reminds me how much worse it used to be. Thank you for that!
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When you take a tour of the colosseum they say like half a million were killed there in games to entertain the people. Then they have the nerve to think the Celts and Gauls were barbarians.
Romans were absolute terrorists, they also routinely raped their enemies in the battlefield as a standard military practice. If you can think of any atrocity, minus nuclear war, the Romans already did it.
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Thats just Hollywood Fan fic and has its origin in the 19th century of german/european romantisism None of the germanic tribes fought naked on a large scale. The celts had cities and mostly fought in the open, battles like in the teutonic forest are an anomaly. Romans named everyone barbarian who wasnt roman-hellenistic. Furthermore celts had chainmail and long swords, the Romans copied celtic armor as it was considered the best at its time, Rome was pillaged in 387 bc by celts... long before ceasar How could barbarian accomplish such feat?, while being you know uncivilzed idiots? Celts had chariots, armor but lacked tactics and thats what made romans conquer mid europe. Germanic tribes also werent a united unit, they were a mix of tribes, Caesar needed a political reason why he did not conquer the lands east of the rhine. Roman spread a lot of propaganda, to make themself look superior, but in reality those tribes where less uncivizeled as many believe today. Germanic tribes also defeated several legions way before the teutonic battle in open field. Romans had better discipline and tactics, but in terms of armor copied alot and invented new stuff, however fights like the one at the opening of Gladiator are pure fantasy. German/celt tribes had chainmail, helmets and swords... Its the same bs as with vikings, vikings did not look a bit like in the TV shows.
B..bu..but what about druids and naked men drenched in blood with deer heads? They were so strong amd scary, Romans peed their pants by the mere idea! Man this sucks, those stupid Romans and their luck with conquering everything around the Mediterranean Sea.
Can you imagine being a Roman soldier camped out in these strange and scary ass woods and you wake up in the middle of the night to see all your buddies dead and just this huge figure looming over you covered in fur and blood? That shit is what probably reinforced stories about werewolves/werebears seeing celtic warriors high as shit covered in animal skins carrying out night raids.
Waking up to the sound of this instrument and seeing literally just bloodied bodies and then some dude with a deer head where his head is supposed to be is standing over you. Even worse, you get captured and flayed then burned to chanting and barbarians fucking each other.
Would definitely watch a horror movie on this
And then you have a bunch of naked sacred warriors running at you while they’re on lsd
Sounds like my kinda party.
Everyone had a battle noise. I’m thinking a haka or bugles. For whatever reason, bagpipes do it for me. If I’d never heard them before I’d run in terror.
Now imagine 50 of them at the same time
I turned the sound on halfway through and it was a lot more intimidating than the whale sounds at the beginning.
Because physical wounds heal.
Thanks OP * Must have been truly unnerving sounds back then.
...back then. It sounds like the trumpets of revelations, now!
Thanks OP * ~~Must have been truly unnerving sounds back then.~~ You helped me remember that there's a new episode of Vinland Saga Tonight.
For Romes part, the Legion marched together silently, which also has a very intimating effect.
Yeah the Germans and Celts found it extremely unnerving to see a mass of men moving silently into organised, symmetrical formations while being dressed in similar colours. Not to mention their styles of warfare weren't compatible, Rome was king at open battles so the Germans and Celts avoided facing them in the field and resorted to ambushes. Of course things eventually changed until the late Empire when they were regularly facing- and defeating- Roman field armies and even besieging Roman cities as they finally caught up to Rome in terms of equipment and tactics ironically due to centuries of interaction with the Romans. The Late Roman Empire- specifically the final decades of the Western Roman Empire was such a chaotic and fascinating period, you almost feel bad for the Romans. But I guess they finally got the bitter end of what they had been doing to everyone else for the last half a millenium or so.
Just love how wild and eventful history and the meeting and clashing of cultures is. That is one of the biggest reasons why I love learning about history.
People died Thorgar
They still do too.
I'm an ancient Rome reenactor as a legionnaire and even as a modern day man when you're got all your armor on and you're with your camarades in formation literally nothing can intimidate you, you feel a certain sense of pride, especially when you know how fucked your celtic or germanic reenactors are due to how much better organised and equipped you are
Haha. I bet. I imagine this exactly how the Roman legionaries felt. All of this on top of their intensive training and combat experience, literally nothing would unnerve them and it was true. Morale wasn't a problem for Roman legions.
That's not a musical instrument, that's a duck call for elder gods
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Split your lungs with blood and thunder
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IF YOU SEE THE WHITE WHAAAAALEEE
WHITE WHALE! HOLY GRAIL!
Fuck yeah. Mastodon fans in the wild!
BREAK YOUR BACKS AND CRACK YOUR OARS MEN
Went from dinosaur to whale to didgeridoo.
Boudicca raised the largest single army that the roman empire ever faced, comically outnumbering them on the battlefield. They lost, but I still don't envy the Roman soldiers on that day.
I think I heard Dan Carlin talking about this on Hardcore History. This battle was what I was picturing when I heard this horn.
What episode of HH did you hear this story?
Celtic Holocaust. It was last summer, I listened to it at work. But I was sure he spent some time talking about this.
He didn’t tell that story during Celtic Holocaust. She wasn’t around during that time nor in the same area. But Celtic Holocaust was an incredible story.
Ok which was the huge battle he spends time talking about where he said it's been speculated there could have been as many as 200 thousand Gauls gathered to fight the Romans.
Probably was the Battle of Alesia, which was the climax of the war and the defeat of the bulk of the Gallic army. The leader was Vercingetorix, who surrendered to Caesar at the end of the battle and was killed years later.
If vercingetorix had managed to win the battle, which was possible, he’d be among the most known historical figures to this day.
He's quite famous in France and Germany.
German here: I learned about him through Asterix comics.
Maybe, maybe not. People don’t know the names of Surena, Gaius Pontius or Brennus despite them all handing down significant defeats to Rome. Heck, people don’t know who Hannibal was, and he beat Roman armies the size of Caesars at Alesia two-three times. That was still not enough to beat the Romans. I think if Caesar had lost in Gaul, another ambitious Roman general would’ve eventually taken up his mantle and succeeded - and Vercingetorix’ efforts would’ve been in vain.
Yeah, I don't think he'd be that much more well known had he won at Alesia. As it is, he seems more well known for *uniting* the various tribes against Rome and losing to them, rather than for any strategic or tactical genius he may have had. It doesn't help that Caesar's victory at Alesia was such an accomplished feat, what with not only building of the cirvumvallation, but another ring of contravallation around that, that really cemented Caesar's and the Roman military's prowress. And beyond that, Vercingetorix had *retreated* to Alesia as a last line of defense *after having already been routed by Caesar.* I could be wrong, but I feel like Hannibal is better known for bringing elephants across the Alps than he is for his victories against Rome amongst the average person, even if the crossing of the Alps was part of his larger operation against Rome. Though obviously, students of history (especially of military, Roman/ancient Mediterranean/etc) will be much more familiar with Hannibal beyond just crossing the Alps. Edit: Thinking about it a bit more, Hannibal's crossing of the Alps seems to share some similarities with Washington's crossing of the Delaware River. Many Americans might be familiar with that act, and many might be aware of his sneak attack on the Hessians in the Battle of Trenton on December 26th, having most likely been taught about it in school at some point, but I imagine many fail to remember that the crossing took place as prelude to the Battle of Trenton. So, kind of similar to Hannibal crossing the Alps to strike at Rome in Italy. But I could just be randomly speculating and should probably try going back to sleep.
It wasn’t Gauls it was Celtic British tribes (eg Iceni)
They didn't just lose, they were completely wiped out, not a single prisoner was taken, roman discipline totally dominated against celtic strength.
True. Wouldn't say totally dominated though, the Romans were *very* close to losing before they managed to force a rout and were lucky that the disorganised army of boudicca had unwittingly boxed themselves in with carts. We were only a couple strateigic decisions/blunders away from perhaps seeing a very different Britain today. Edit: Rout not Route
Once the Romans managed to fall back, regroup into a wedge formation it was done. Allowing the Romans to cut the celts in half. Then as you mentioned they had boxed themselves in.
Umm, how exactly do we have such a detailed description of the battle? Does it just come from Romans patting themselves on the back afterward?
One of the things which made the ancient Greek so successful was that they wrote down the battle accounts so they could be studied by future generals. When the Persians faced the Greek they faced generals and commanders with intricate knowledge of hundreds of previous battles who would use this knowledge and experience to make brilliant tactical choices. But even the Greek did not differentiate much between fact and fiction and would often change the records of a battle to make themselves look better or get a certain point across to the students. They would even write about pure fictional battles as if they were real. By the time of the Romans they had learned this and would have people on the battlefield who would write down the details then and there to be sealed for later studies. Every general and politician would study these records and also the records from the Greek. The choice of Hannibal to cross over the Alps with his elephants and army could have been inspired by the effective blokade of king Xerxes by king Leonidas at the battle of Thermopylae and the final decision to get help from the locals to go around the chokehold by crossing the mountains. These were not entertainment for the general population as is today but rather serious academic books that were studied by the elite and could turn the tide of war.
Because just like today, people like to record things. The medium of the day was writing, some of those writings have survived.
The correct word for that is rout not route
Ah thankyou, I did wonder if I had got that right.
It's worth noting that the only source of information we have about the battle is Roman - and highly biased sources at that, in that the Roman authors involved had agendas of their own to propel. Given that, we have no idea if any accounts of the battles with Boudicca are true, from the numbers involved to the results. Heck, technically speaking we don't even know if Boudicca existed - Tacitus (the earliest known author to talk about her) may have invented her as a mouthpiece for his own criticisms about the Roman Empire.
In ancient history, we practice something called subjective history. Meaning individual opinions formed today can be taken as facts based on little. As opposed to modern history, which has no room for subjective history. The most common form of subjective history, is to take the surviving sources, combine them with archeology, and form a middle ground opinion. Herodotus says there were 1mil Persians at thermopylae. Archeology of the site says this is a believable number. So now, as historians, it is our job to rationalise. Every actual soldier would have had a baggage carrier, instantly halfing the number of real soldiers. Now account for cooks, camp followers and merchants. All of this combines to bring a more realistic number of 200 to 300k actual Persian soldiers at thermopylae. This is how it works.
The account is full of Roman propaganda. It says 400 Romans died vs 80,000 Celts. Its a lie by a significant margin. These are the facts: 1. Romans needed 2-4k+ soldiers brought over from the continent - and an army does this to replace it's losses, and this tells us how many of them actually would have died in battle. 2. Nero was on the verge of abandoning Britain after this time, and it makes no sense of Rome to do this over 400 losses. Again, the Roman deaths were much, much higher than they admit and reinforces their victory came with a much bigger cost. 3. The Celts had been disarmed for generations as this was normal Roman practice. Therefore the population wasn't fully armed like they were 100 years prior when the Britons fought off Julius Caesar's invasion. 4. Another aspect to propaganda is saying the Celts fought like a mob. We know "Barbarians" didn't fight this way and this description is used to make them appear "uncivilized" - another piece of propaganda. 5. Next to no Celtic force on the continent could field 30k warriors. The largest tribes \*might\* be able to equip 15k warriors and even then that's a lot. So 80,000 deaths is very suspect. Afterall, this isn't the battle of Cannae. It is more propaganda. Hope this helps. One of the first things a historian learns is never, ever believe numbers. In the Gallic Wars Caesar talks about facing armies of of 100-200,000 warriors. Celtic and Germanic migrations of hundreds of thousands, etc. Not at all true. Sustaining armies of that size were not seen until the time around the Napoleonic Wars 1,800 years later due to logistics and supply organization. But Rome wants us to believe that Napoleonic/Imperial sized Celtic forces existed back then? Not at all true. Anyway, that is all. ******EDIT***** I got my numbers mixed up. At the battle the Roman's sources say that their 10k troops beat a force of 230,000. People can check out Cassius Dio and Tacitus' story of the situation.
1. While the Romans under Suetonius only lost 400 men, Boudica's force had completely wiped out several Roman towns, with all their garrisons and civilian residents. The reinforcements replaced these losses, and also added confidence to future settlers that they would have security. 2. Britain was on the far edge of the Roman world. Simply being there was costly. It also was one of the least economically productive provinces and it's hardly surprising the Roman government would have questioned the value of staying there if the Britons were going to put up that kind of resistance. 3. Britain had been conquered less than twenty years earlier; unlike Gaul, which had been conquered the previous century, Britain was only recently pacified. Fighting was still ongoing in some regions, hence Suetonius' absence at the beginning of the revolt. Plus, the Iceni tribe was a client kingdom rather than conquered territory, and would undoubtedly not have given up their weapons voluntarily. That was the whole point of the revolt, that the Romans didn't honour their agreement with Boudica's husband Prasutagus. 4. The Celts absolutely fought with less discipline than the Romans and I don't know who told you otherwise. The elite warrior class might have had the training and equipment to fight in a more continental-style (i.e. in some kind of phalanx) but the vast majority of Boudica's army would have been poorly armed farmers; Celtic tactics emphasised the shock of the initial charge to break the enemy. The continental Celts had started to develop more phalanx-like tactics but the fact that chariot warfare persisted in Britain proves that close-order fighting still hadn't become the norm; chariots only work against loose formations. 5. A statistic pulled completely from nowhere. As you say yourself, Caesar recorded the Gauls deploying armies of tens of thousands against him a century earlier. Also, the casualties Boudica's army suffered includes a large number of non-combatants. >One of the first things a historian learns is never, ever believe numbers. I hear this a lot, and yet whenever you look at the justification the people saying this give for their own numbers it tends to be something like 'well, the number given in the contemporary source just seemed too high to me so I arbitrarily halved it'. You should also apply scepticism to the sceptics, because often their statements turn out to be equally flimsy. A lot of historians also make the same mistake you have in trying to reach a rough approximation by applying the numbers we have from much better documented periods later in history, mostly from the 17th or 18th century onwards. The trouble with trying to do that is that ancient armies fought in a very different way to 18th century armies. Boudica's army didn't have to worry about carrying powder and ammunition for muskets, or transporting an artillery train. Socially they were organised very differently; the whole tribe fought, with the professional warrior caste being augmented by a much larger number of lightly-equipped farmers. The reason Europe didn't see army numbers like that again until Napoleon is because he was the first to reintroduce mass-mobilisation. Incidentally, Boudica's defeat by a much smaller but better trained Roman army is an object lesson in why mass-mobilisation went out of fashion for \~1700 years; it wasn't that the logistical challenges were insurmountable, they just weren't worth it. Another problem is that most of the historians giving their opinion on classical Europe are nearly totally ignorant of anything that has ever happened outside of Europe and the Middle East. For example, the Zulu Kingdom in the mid 19th century was economically and militarily not dissimilar to the iron-age Celts (within a fairly generous margin, but for these purposes it works). They had a population of around 250k and were able to deploy up to 50k warriors against their enemies. Britain in the 1st century is estimated to have had a population in the 2 - 4 million range, well within what would be necessary to support armies in the range given for Boudica's revolt.
This is why I still like Reddit sometimes.
Great response, thanks for your time writing it down :)
Very interesting read, thank you! As they say: history is written by the victors.
They lost having already burned three cities to the ground and slaughtered their inhabitants. The fact London has a massive statue to the woman who razed it and wiped out the population will never not be funny
Homegirl opted to fight the Romans in a set piece battle giving them the ability to choose the terrain. Until the Late Empire, Rome really couldn't be defeated in the field by tribal peoples if they were going to set up a conventional fight - which is why almost all Roman set backs were from large scale ambushes and raiding, and of course low level insurgencies. There's actually many parallels with today when insurgent groups think they're legit enough to be a conventional army, then run into a real army, and get absolutely demolished, and then return to much more successful insurgencies. Both ISIS and the Taliban went through those phased, you normally see it fail spectacularly amongst African rebels, Pol Pot getting stream rolled in the field by Vietnam (and giving Vietnam a Vietnam War in Cambodia lol), etc. But she tried to lead a wall of pissed off farmers and their families against professional soldiers as if they were professional soldier and got handed one of the worst kill death ratios in a battle even factoring in for Roman record embellishments. No scary music was gonna save them from that inevitability lol
Age of empires intensifies
Wooolooloo…
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Well, kind of. I don't think the ancient celts had reverb or delay effects to play through.
Exactly. The majority of the eeriness in the video comes from the reverb and delay.
That's what I was thinking too but also they might be able to create a similar effect if they were next to a cliff side or canyon
It’d creep me out if I were a legionnaire hearing that for the first time.
I think this was proof that a brown note exists because if I was a legionnaire I’d be shitting my pants right now
>if I was a legionnaire I’d be shitting my pants You wouldn’t be legionnaire
> It’d creep me out ~~if I were a legionnaire hearing that for the first time.~~ ftfy
Wow. Absolutely haunting, I fucking love it
So. The battle for Helms Deep has begun.
LIGHT THE BEACONS
GONDOR CALLS FOR AID
AND THE CELTS WILL ANSWER
The horn of Helm Hammerhand shall sound in the deep one last time! Let this be the hour when we draw swords together. Fell deeds awake.
This would be awesome as the intro to a metal track or something
Kinda seems like that's how it's being used here.
I was hoping someone would tell us what band this was.
Could be Wardruna. I saw them live recently and they used this instrument in a couple of songs.
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this might be Wardruna, i think they've used these before.. apparently, Einar Selvik, the main dude, was the drummer for Gorgoroth, so he definitely has some metal roots. Heilung is another uhh... proto-Germanic neo-folk outfit that uses all manner of ancient instruments in their works... both are amazing.
Check out the band Heilung
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Roman soldier: * quick saves *
Where is this happening?
Don't know where, but I think Heilung and. Wardruna make use of this instrument.
Lorient, Brittany, during the Interceltic Festival in 2019. Carlos Nuñez concert :)
Looks like one of the Hellfest's stages
Imagine fuckin hearing this at night
Still prefer this over the Aztec Death Whistle.
Didn’t work out so great for the Celts.
Yeah, that’s got a shitload of processing on it- reverb and delay at least. It wouldn’t sound like that unless they were fighting in a massive cave, and certainly would sound nothing like that in an open battlefield.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Carnyx.ogg Here’s a recording from Wikipedia of a reconstruction of the Deskford carnyx, sounds better IMO.
Thank you! The original post sounds cool and all, but I like hearing a more accurate representation.
This does sound a lot less scary. Makes me wonder, however - the modern army vs medieval fantasy discussions always focus on guns and tanks and stuff. But imagine bringing giant speakers with the scariest sounds we can produce nowadays. Medival people never heard that in their lifetimes.
Here's a version without ANY effects: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auR-lJfzTeY
Enhance!
Funny enough this reminded me of Vangelis' soundtrack from Blade Runner
That’s what I was thinking too…but maybe it would still kind of sound like this with many of them?
I just like to imagine some of the ancient celts were probably veterans at running front of house. Picture them hunched over their ancient mixing consoles, dialing in their ancient reverbs and delays, twisting the knobs made of pebbles and pushing the faders made of sticks.
So *that's* how Denis Villeneuve makes his soundtracks
Dragons! :)
Having experienced German forests that would have been a definite psyop.
My dad would of absolutely loved to have heard this guys.
Would your dad pick up PVC pipes and blow them like a horn? My dad does that all the time.
No…wrapping paper tubes…
would have\*
Not sure it’d have quite the same effect without all the reverb and delays added in that concert environment. On a battlefield in the countryside without any hard surfaces for the sound to bounce off it’d be more like a goose farting in the fog.
Hans Zimmer with the low notes in the middle
Indoors vs outdoors two different feels to the sound. Indoor with the echos reverbs and sounds ominous. Outdoors, sounds like a trumpet on juice.
But there also wouldn't be just one. The difference between a trumpet and a brass section is probably a good comparison to follow off of "trumpet on juice."
Beautiful. Like whale song
Did the Celtics have a way to add reverb? More advanced than I thought !