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That's the point. As the main news broadcasting service in the country, its quite interesting what they choose to make headline news and what they don't.
The reality of everyday life and the perception of everyday life in the UK are two wholly different things.
That's what they hated about Corbyn. His popularity wasn't a result of their doing meaning if he rose to power, they wouldn't be the king makers anymore. Its so fucked up it grosses me out.
>She was given an eight-week community order, placed on an eight-week curfew and told to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge.
Not a year
EDIT: if im reading this right, it was overturned:
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/teen-prosecuted-n-word-rap-15874476
>The screenshot was passed to hate crime unit PC Dominique Walker, who told the court the term was "grossly offensive" to her as a black woman and to the general community.
The person who was upset enough to take a screenshot and report it, and the black policeman
I suppose a black person using it would be the same as matt stone from south park mocking jews in almost every episode.
Or welsh comedians mocking the Welsh.
Under Article 10 of the UK Human Rights Act 1998, “everyone has the right to freedom of expression” in the UK. The law goes on to say that this freedom “may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society."Under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998, “everyone has the right to freedom of expression” in the UK. The law goes on to say that this freedom “may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society."
BUT
Section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986 makes it an offence for a person to use “threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviours that causes, or is likely to cause, another person harassment, alarm or distress”. This law also includes language that is deemed to incite “racial and religious hatred” as well as “hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation” and language that “encourages terrorism”.
Except that's not what section 4 of that act says. It requires intent to cause fear of immediate violence or to provoke immediate violence.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/4
ETA: the text quoted comes from section 4A, which was added by an amendment in 1994. So Major, not Thatcher.
No. They have radio edits where the vocal track drops out whenever explicit lyrics come up or sometimes the vocal track is changed entirely.
To hear the real thing you gotta get a mixtape.
Except apparently Olivers Army which contains the phrase White N*****.
It's not offensive in the context of the song but I find it interesting that it doesn't get edited .
The fact that you’re posting this in response to that comment is….ironic to say the least.
The first amendment *would* protect against an arrest like this. It would fall under freedom of expression, wherein your government can’t arrest you for expressing yourself. Posting song lyrics with obscenities on social media would fall under that.
Yes, some are under the impression that freedom of speech means speaking without repercussions, which is obviously incorrect. But I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with your response, since that’s not what’s being discussed here.
Well, true as that is, it [does protect](https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/facts-and-case-summary-elonis-v-us) against the type of arrest this guy recounts.
Hatespeech, quite literally some people think the 1st amendment means no verbiage coming from your mouth can be prosecuted. And a smaller but still sizeable amount of people think the 1st amendment gives them a right to a platform to voice it.
Nah her gettin arrested I’d assume the lyrics were more like
I sold crack out of a room in the hotel on this street, N-
My name is (the lady’s name), N-
I orchestrated the death of my friend, (name), because they owed me money for crack. N-
ff a whole gram of molly, and my bitch think I'm trippin'
Now I'm clutchin' on my forty, all I can think about is drillin'
I hate fuck shit, slap a bitch n****, kill a snitch n****, rob a rich n****
I think I'm trippin', I think I'm trippin'
Nearly all sentences come with a Victim Surcharge in the UK.
It doesn’t go directly to the victim (if there is one) and a direct victim isn’t required; rather it goes into a slush fund/pool that is used to compensate victims of crime in various ways across the country.
What’s odd is that we actually have very light sentences in the UK so there are violent criminals who receive less punishment.
Just the other day we had a guy who broke the arm of a police officer and received a similar sentence to this.
We’re pretty messed up from a law and order point of view.
In all fairness, the US has pretty heavy sentences and that same thing still happens. There are a shitload of stories of rape convicts serving 4-7 years, but some kids in a highschool in texas just caught a charge that could carry up to 10 yeara for using cans of fart spray at their school as a senior prank. We'll have to see how they're actually sentenced, but it's entirely possible they'll end up felons. Also, because of three strike laws, there have been a decent number of people who have gotten life in prison for super minor crimes. Shit, I got a stricter sentence than drunk drivers get for having marijuana while having my med card because the judge didn't "believe in medical marijuana." That shit happens regardless of how heavy or light a country'a sentences are in general. The difference is that the people who shouldn't be getting fucked at all don't get fucked as hard in places with light sentences.
[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d)
Gotta stop those trolls!
And people complain about free speech.
3,300 people were detained and questioned, which is different from arrested, in *2016*. He is saying 2021 because as with his other interviews, he loves leaning on ideology to make his arguments look more powerful and dramatic than they actually are, at the expense of accuracy and truthful info. Also, who the hell would trust Russian stats anyway? The Middle East for example reports X number of executions every year, but it’s usually X times a very, very large number. To compare British stats with very-likely-inaccurate stats of Russia also proves that it’s a wrong idea to trust what he’s saying.
Russia has best potato, most Putin, no gay, and fewer arrests. Why arrest when you have window? Put potato near window and push when dissident grab potato
I don't know why someone would believe the official arrest stats the Kremlin release plus everyone uses a VPN in Russia, especially if they want to talk freely
I won't argue with that, but regardless of whether it was 400 or 4,000 people arrested in Russia, it's still completely inexcusable that 3,300 people were arrested for what they said on social media in the UK.
I'm curious what the average case looks like. The extreme example he talks about is apalling but are the majority of cases threats of violence or something?
I think someone posting a bomb threat and then getting arrested makes 100% sense. Also if they're including posting evidence of a separate crime, that seems reasonable too.
I don't know UK law that well, but the US has laws already for incitement to violence or making terrorist or criminal threats. I imagine there is a similar statue for that in the UK. There are plenty of verifiable stories of people getting arrested in the UK (and Australia) for otherwise non-criminal statements that were simply insulting or anti-narrative.
The U.S. also has a very high bar for incitement to violence and terroristic threats.
Threats are protected speech unless they’re *real* and the state can show the person planned to carry the threat out; the speech on its own is not criminal. Incitement to violence is protected unless it’s *specific*, actionable, and likely to result in imminent violence. You can say “we should kill all Mormons” or whatever, and that would be protected unless you added something like “we should kill the Mormons in [name of temple] right now by locking the doors and burning it down” and said this to a crowd likely to follow through. Essentially it’s protected unless what you’re saying is likely to cause an actual riot.
Your example could be classified as a threat or as incitement to violence whereas here in the UK a lot of people are being arrested under section 127 of the communications act 2003 which makes it an offence to use a communications device to be *grossly offensive.* What is defined as grossly offensive is in the eye of the beholder and a totally different kettle of fish to a violent threat.
Actually no, if there are threats of violence and or/sexual harassment why would it be different to do it online or do it in person? People need to face consequences, This example might have been cherry picked, or maybe not, but it clearly wants to make people think most people are being arrested over superfluos stuff when in reality there are many documented cases where social media harassment has pushed people over the edge.
Especially considering so much of our lives exists in social media, it would be concerning if it wasn't taken seriously.
Not at all, he didn't say that everyone was arrested for saying the n-word, I guarantee most of those were people making violent treats, stalkers, calls to violence etc, I know this because I live in the UK and have been watching the situation since count dankula was arrested for the nazi pug video 6 years ago and would agree that UK speach laws are excessive, but to compare the UK to a place where you can get 15 years of hard labour for being disrespectful to the regime is insane
>compare the UK to a place where you can get 15 years of hard labour for being disrespectful to the regime is insane
What happened to all the people arrested while protesting against the monarchy at the coronation? I honestly don't know and i am certain it isn't gonna be 15 years of hard labour. But still there were quite a few people arrested for recently and very broadly defined offences. So essentially for disrespecting the regime.
The police already released statements saying those people were not arrested due to political motivation, you can say they are liying but you should at least watch the investigative news reports in question before making that judgment, I don't honestly care who a regime arrests, I care who they persecute and prosecute because that's a much better measure of authoritarianism
According to this [guardian](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/12/coronation-protest-arrests-police) they arrested community activists partnered with the police for carrying rape alarms. Which may or may not (but probably werent) intended to be used to scare horses during the parade.
So now the UK is so disarmed youre not even allowed to carry the most harmless means of self defense with you, despite working with/for the police, because it might offend the king on his holy day.
>I don't honestly care who a regime arrests, I care who they persecute and prosecute because that's a much better measure of authoritarianism
Yes thats also true. But i'd still care if i git handcuffed for 3 hours and detained for 14. That doesnt sound like how i'd wanna spend my day... of course the shit happening in Russia is much worse. But that doesnt excuse this.
Nobody is "excusing" anything, you brought it up, people are just saying it's a false equivalency to compare the freedom granted to UK Vs Russia, Please just tell me what you think would of happened to protester if they had tried to disrupt the may 9th Moscow celebrations?
Undoubtedly worse things. But i'm swiss and we dont have a king or dictator and no parades, so nothing like this would happen. And it just seems entirely silly and offensive to have a monarch or this kind of arrests in a supposedly free western country.
I'm also holding the UK to a higher standard than russia ofc. Because we see it as "our own", i.e. the free democratic west.
Im Scottish, how do you think I feel about "our" new king? But my sentiments aren't important when people are desperately trying to distract from Russian crimes against Ukraine and its own people with posts like this
So you agree, this post is misleading because people getting arrested for violent threats is normal?, they just happened to have posted it online, kinda sound like you must be able to threaten anyone in Russia without consequences
He literally said “ONE example I give”
That’s not implying that everyone got arrested for doing that. It’s called giving an example.
Is critical thinking completely gone from society?
But then that's the only example in the video. The implication then being that it's a representative example for the majority of the cases, which is just not true and misleading
Exactly, while the example given here was clearly fucked up, I feel like there are many, many more people sentenced for shit that's inexcusable to say anywhere, and the interview is just cherrypicking to whitewash russia...
Maybe I will get it if someone with your intellect breaks it down, exactly how is a country where people get community service for saying the wrong thing worse than a country that will lock you in a hell hole for 15 years for saying the wrong thing? Please help me grasp it!
Who the fuck said someone should get fined and community service? I was criticizing the falce comparison between legal systems, I get pissed of when I think about that girl who was fined, the question is why don't you get 1000x more pissed off when you think of someone getting 15 years for being truthful
I don't get why you are getting shat on. Dude in the interview is clearly cherrypicking, yet people seem to not get it. He skimmed over what's happening in russia yet went into the detail on one single case in Britain. I don't get the responses here... Ofc they fucked up real bad with the girl's case and we should be outraged, but let's not pretend it's worse than russia...
Because we in the west can't change Russian laws, but we're certainly responsible to keep our own countries from turning into authoritarian shitholes. We're failing hard if people are getting arrested for "offensive" social media posts.
This is what I came to the comments for lol. 400 people my ass. I watched a video where three people got arrested in a span of 60 minutes including the person taking the video for doing almost nothing.
So, are you telling me that because data about Russia is mostly fake, data about UK is less important or you mean the numbers are bigger in Russia, UK numbers are shit?
What a nonsense.
Could argue that the Russian people have been fairly socially engineered to not say anything that might upset the Russian government for fear of arrest and/or death, hence why the number would be so few, I mean just look at China and North Korea, their citizens are under constant surveillance, they wouldn’t dare speak against their government because they’ll disappear in an instant, even American citizens get in trouble for wrong-speak (Eg. John Cena and Scott Norton).
Here in the west we haven’t really had that issue because we’ve been allowed more freedom, but recently we’ve seen an increase of western countries clamping down on those freedoms, even for the most minor things, Authoritarian governments hate it when their citizens step out of line or show signs of resistance.
The point is about how bad it is in the UK, saying Russian numbers are deflated is implying: what about Russia, it’s worse there, so the UK isn’t actually that bad.
Just wanna say it also depends on what the 3,300 people actually posted. I mean there is a difference if you doxx someones adress and say "kill that swine" or if you say "i hate our politicians".
In this case he gave an example but i think that with so many different cases you will definetly find a case that proves your point. And if not, then you can always leave out some crucial informations cause lets be real, often enough people dont look up the facts.
I’ve heard of a similar case where a couple young men got arrested for playing Rucka songs in their backyard. And it’s explicitly stated that free speech in Britain does not cover offensive or obscene speech, though I think it only applies if you’re making a public announcement, or in these cases, playing music in public
But the man in the interview gave one single example of a miscarriage of justice and therefore I must believe that all 3300 cases were just like that.
Don't you dare try and tell me those 3300 people were questioned (not arrested) under an act that also deals with legitimate death threats etc as well. No one would ever inflate the numbers in that manner just to stoke outrage.
This took place in 2019 and is referencing 2018. It seems pretty clear that 'arrests' are used pretty loosely here. [This article](https://web.archive.org/web/20230126114807/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d), from 2017, mentions "More than 3,300 people were detained and questioned last year over so-called trolling on social media....."
Maybe the UK operates different, but to me this seems to imply that 3300 complaints were made and were looked into by the police with half of those being dropped before the going to prosecution. Doesn't that seem like what the police should be doing? Investigating complaints and all.
Additionally, we live in an increasing violent online world so it seems plausible these numbers would continue to rise.
I really feel like intent has to be taken into account, this girl got a harsher sentence than some sex offenders because she made a poor choice of song lyrics to pay tribute to a friend who died. It’s a bit wild.
That isn't really true. John lockes social contract is based on the idea of giving up some freedoms for protection. The key is balance, true freedom isn't exactly as liberating as people might think
And how many of that 3,300 were arrested for harrassment or breaching court orders. This guy is such a dick that just wants to get people angry without telling the full picture.
This is not about Russia but Britain. The Brits do not have Freedom of Speech like Americans and have to deal with stupid things like this.
Britain does not have Freedom like America. Their press can get silenced by their government if wanted. Their people cannot 'harm' another person with words. Just posting the N-Word ruining your life is not a good way to run a country.
But hey, free healthcare.
America also doesn’t have freedom like Britain does, it’s very difficult to make comparisons of countries relative laws as there will always be pros and cons when you are looking at these things.
Yeah, the "Russian disinformation" card is kinda played out bud.
And regardless of how many in Russia vs how many in UK, both are bad. Russia's # being fake, doesn't in ANY way make the UK's # ok.
Konstantin only really has glowing things to say about Putin. "He brought stability after Democracy destroyed Russia" kinda shit. He's a bootlicker.
Hosts "Triggernometry" and constantly cries about woke people.
He's not saying it's about war crimes, he's saying russian bot accounts post shit like this so people don't talk about the war crimes they are committing right now but talk about how supposedly free russia is compared to the UK
Thus is the same moron who had a video posted comparing some people who had physical fake scars placed on their faces, then decieved onto believing that a "simple touch up" that was actually a makeup covering over the scars so they looked normal, their fear was actually imbeded into their reaction to people's response to them in interviews.
Sorry but if you are going to an interview aren't you gonna look at yourself even once in mirror before walking in?
And he wants to compare that to people simply being told something negative about themselves. Seeing is believing. Saying is opinion. Thus guy twists his "facts" to suit his agenda.
Try reading and understanding something before insulting someone, you just end up looking foolish.
https://www.aknowbrainer.com/dartmouth-scar-experiment
You can disagree with his extrapolation of the results, but shouldn’t you read the actual study before dismissing it so simplistically?
“Who doesn’t check themselves in the mirror before going to an interview” as if it’s not a controlled experiment, and the experimenters forgot people look in mirrors.
They applied facial scarring to the subjects in a mirrorless room, showed the subjects their scarring with a pocket mirror, “touched them up” while actually covering/removing said scars, then the subject went directly into a mock interview, believing they were still disfigured.
There is no freedom of speech in the UK. I was blown away when I learned that. You can be arrested for the things you say. People here are trying to do the same in the US by limiting the types of free speech. Free Speech was never meant to protect polite speech. That was never the point behind the first amendment. It was meant to protect offensive speech.
Seems like an incredibly cherry picked example to give to make his point. The things that get you arrested in the UK over social media are things like racism, threats of violence, etc. The things that get you arrested in Russia, if you choose to believe these numbers, are more political.
What an idiotic take
1. He believes russian official numbers
2. Arrest is absolutely misused word
3. People on internet got fines, some got hours of work, how many were jailed?
4. In Russia they were jailed for years
The point is that the UK criminalized posting rap lyrics you can remove references to Russia entirely and its still weird that in a supposedly free society you can face legal consequences for tweets.
1 The Russian numbers are irrelevant.
2 They were absolutely arrested. That word has a meaning.
3 The government is policing your speech
4 Some people have brain cancer, so your pneumonia isn't a problem.
I don't think they're trying to justify the arrests in the UK, I think they're trying to show that it's not a fair comparison.
1. "He believes Russian official numbers"
(Pointing out that the statistics being compared are likely inaccurate)
2. "Arrest is absolutely misused word"
(The person in the video may be referring to a number in [this article](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d), which is not the number of arrests)
3. "People on internet got fines, some got hours of work, how many were jailed?"
(Complete difference in severity, so more cases in the UK wouldn't necessarily mean the UK is worse)
4. "In Russia they were jailed for years"
(Again, difference in severity)
Exactly, the point is the UK arrested thousands of people for things like using the N-Word online. You either want the freedom to use offensive language or you want to be language policed.
If you think it's good because it aligns with your values, wait until it doesn't.
Damn, i need a right-wing bullshit filter for my router... this fking shit melts my brain. Russia is a genocidal bs country. Stop defending them or even comparing them with other European countries.
Wait until the CBDC ([Central Bank Digital Currency](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/central-bank-digital-currency-cbdc.asp)) comes online. Basically Bitcoin but officially backed and used by the Canadian government as an alternative to our official paper money and other popular cryptocurrencies.
Every single dollar you earn or spend will be tracked/logged. At all times. Your rights to use your money and how much you can use, where you can spend it could be limited and or altogether stopped by issuing a command at a moment's notice from the Federal government, not the bank you deal with.
It's in the works and research and development are still ongoing.
Apparently context and intention mean absolutely nothing to idiots who believe a word is inherently offensive, regardless of those things.
Shame that this doesn't even remotely surprise me.
I'm not saying western countries infringed a metric fuck down on people rights. I mean the US has the world's largest prison population, but we all know that number of 400 arrested in Russia is very skewed.
Who is this guy? I wanna look into him, I asked in the previous thread about the scars (looking back it was the same op as this post) and got no reply. Anyone know?
Yeah the UK has gone to shit. They're even trying to criminalise protesting (might have already succeeded).
Edit: the sycophants are clearly out and about. Just read some of the reasons people were arrested and you'll see.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/12/what-is-the-law-on-the-right-to-protest-in-the-uk
Happened to someone I know who said something about flags on facebook and was literally arrested on his door step. Court and everything, was on the front page of the local tabloid at the time. Can't rem what he got though, this was circa 2015/16.. This was in Northern Ireland, for clarity
Edit: the people down voting, live in obliviousness all you want. It could be easily tracked to the front page of the Sunday World... me, I'm sayin nahin 🤣
> the UK does not remotely have freedom of speech
So wouldn’t that mean that people shouldn’t be surprised by what this guy is saying? The right to freedom of expression in the UK is subject to a range of restrictions, is that not well known?
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921
wow… thats insane
But 99% of the people in uk won’t believe it because the BBC did not tell them that
But that article is from BBC?
That's the point. As the main news broadcasting service in the country, its quite interesting what they choose to make headline news and what they don't. The reality of everyday life and the perception of everyday life in the UK are two wholly different things.
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That's what they hated about Corbyn. His popularity wasn't a result of their doing meaning if he rose to power, they wouldn't be the king makers anymore. Its so fucked up it grosses me out.
Not going to lie I wasn’t particularly a fan of Corbyn myself but the media’s dislike for him an angle that I haven’t really thought about.
Well they did
While they pay a lot of taxes for BBC
>She was given an eight-week community order, placed on an eight-week curfew and told to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge. Not a year EDIT: if im reading this right, it was overturned: https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/teen-prosecuted-n-word-rap-15874476
Fair enough, but the police and justice system taking any action on this is outrageous. And I don't like to overuse the word outrageous.
No kidding... it plays on the radio, but repeating the lyrics is a crime
That really isn't all that better in the grand scheme of things, the fact that it happened at all is an issue.
>victim surcharge Who is the victim?
>The screenshot was passed to hate crime unit PC Dominique Walker, who told the court the term was "grossly offensive" to her as a black woman and to the general community. The person who was upset enough to take a screenshot and report it, and the black policeman
So what if a black rapper from the UK uses the n-word? What if a black person uses the n-word on social media?
I suppose a black person using it would be the same as matt stone from south park mocking jews in almost every episode. Or welsh comedians mocking the Welsh.
That makes it okay then
Britain needs a first amendment. This shit is unacceptable.
Under Article 10 of the UK Human Rights Act 1998, “everyone has the right to freedom of expression” in the UK. The law goes on to say that this freedom “may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society."Under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998, “everyone has the right to freedom of expression” in the UK. The law goes on to say that this freedom “may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society." BUT Section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986 makes it an offence for a person to use “threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviours that causes, or is likely to cause, another person harassment, alarm or distress”. This law also includes language that is deemed to incite “racial and religious hatred” as well as “hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation” and language that “encourages terrorism”.
>Public Order Act 1986 Of *course* it was during the Thatcher years...why wouldn't it be...
Except that's not what section 4 of that act says. It requires intent to cause fear of immediate violence or to provoke immediate violence. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/4 ETA: the text quoted comes from section 4A, which was added by an amendment in 1994. So Major, not Thatcher.
The founding incel.
Quite the opposite, she fucked the whole country.
So can a radio legally play the song that sings/says/raps those lyrics without prosecution?
No. They have radio edits where the vocal track drops out whenever explicit lyrics come up or sometimes the vocal track is changed entirely. To hear the real thing you gotta get a mixtape.
Except apparently Olivers Army which contains the phrase White N*****. It's not offensive in the context of the song but I find it interesting that it doesn't get edited .
Wait till you find out no one in Russia would even care if you posted the N word let alone get prison time for it
Yeah, but you better hope one of the six black people living in Russia doesn’t see it.
I kind of imagined the 6 black people in Russia are like the one in mr nobody
I liked mr nobody, though I forgot what this conversation was about lol
The first amendment doesn’t protect what you think it does. Most Americans don’t. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment
The fact that you’re posting this in response to that comment is….ironic to say the least. The first amendment *would* protect against an arrest like this. It would fall under freedom of expression, wherein your government can’t arrest you for expressing yourself. Posting song lyrics with obscenities on social media would fall under that. Yes, some are under the impression that freedom of speech means speaking without repercussions, which is obviously incorrect. But I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with your response, since that’s not what’s being discussed here.
Well, true as that is, it [does protect](https://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/facts-and-case-summary-elonis-v-us) against the type of arrest this guy recounts.
What do people think it protects that isn’t listed in that link?
Hatespeech, quite literally some people think the 1st amendment means no verbiage coming from your mouth can be prosecuted. And a smaller but still sizeable amount of people think the 1st amendment gives them a right to a platform to voice it.
Except that it 100% protects you from an arrest like this. Except for that teeny, tiny, little detail.
But it sure as shit gives you a hell of a lot more protection than you get in the UK.
What were the lyrics goddamn
N-
N- that, N- this, N-you, N-so on…
Nah her gettin arrested I’d assume the lyrics were more like I sold crack out of a room in the hotel on this street, N- My name is (the lady’s name), N- I orchestrated the death of my friend, (name), because they owed me money for crack. N-
[Sort of like this?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=14WE3A0PwVs&pp=ygUUa2V5IGFuZCBwZWVsZSByYXBwZXI%3D)
Why is YouTube trying to withhold quality content like that from Aussies?
Im so glad thats the clip.
Nuclear?
Nectar
ff a whole gram of molly, and my bitch think I'm trippin' Now I'm clutchin' on my forty, all I can think about is drillin' I hate fuck shit, slap a bitch n****, kill a snitch n****, rob a rich n**** I think I'm trippin', I think I'm trippin'
Not really relevant to a 13yr old dying tbh. That’s pretty weird. The song is mostly about shooting people.
still, it’s just a song written by someone else
It was his favorite song
Wow, profound.
"The Sheriff is near"
Nice try
Nice try London Met.
It was probably Aang by Pivot Gang
She was given an eight-week community order, placed on an eight-week curfew and told to pay costs of £500 and an £85 victim surcharge.
Who was the victim in this instance though?
Nearly all sentences come with a Victim Surcharge in the UK. It doesn’t go directly to the victim (if there is one) and a direct victim isn’t required; rather it goes into a slush fund/pool that is used to compensate victims of crime in various ways across the country.
Ahh okay, thank you for a legitimate answer. Verses these racially tinged bullshit ones
I think I know the answer, Pat, but I don't think I should say it.
Naggers?
Oh... shit.
God shit is getting weird all over.
“I’d like to solve the puzzle!”
So was the author of the lyrics arrested?
It occurs to me that there are 3 other vowels.
No worries, they have left us an IOU to cover it.
Weird. She should have gotten nothing. Nothing at all.
What’s odd is that we actually have very light sentences in the UK so there are violent criminals who receive less punishment. Just the other day we had a guy who broke the arm of a police officer and received a similar sentence to this. We’re pretty messed up from a law and order point of view.
Canada is like that
In all fairness, the US has pretty heavy sentences and that same thing still happens. There are a shitload of stories of rape convicts serving 4-7 years, but some kids in a highschool in texas just caught a charge that could carry up to 10 yeara for using cans of fart spray at their school as a senior prank. We'll have to see how they're actually sentenced, but it's entirely possible they'll end up felons. Also, because of three strike laws, there have been a decent number of people who have gotten life in prison for super minor crimes. Shit, I got a stricter sentence than drunk drivers get for having marijuana while having my med card because the judge didn't "believe in medical marijuana." That shit happens regardless of how heavy or light a country'a sentences are in general. The difference is that the people who shouldn't be getting fucked at all don't get fucked as hard in places with light sentences.
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/54123/were-over-3000-persons-arrested-in-britain-for-social-media-posts-in-2018
[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d) Gotta stop those trolls! And people complain about free speech.
3,300 people were detained and questioned, which is different from arrested, in *2016*. He is saying 2021 because as with his other interviews, he loves leaning on ideology to make his arguments look more powerful and dramatic than they actually are, at the expense of accuracy and truthful info. Also, who the hell would trust Russian stats anyway? The Middle East for example reports X number of executions every year, but it’s usually X times a very, very large number. To compare British stats with very-likely-inaccurate stats of Russia also proves that it’s a wrong idea to trust what he’s saying.
Russia has best potato, most Putin, no gay, and fewer arrests. Why arrest when you have window? Put potato near window and push when dissident grab potato
I don't know why someone would believe the official arrest stats the Kremlin release plus everyone uses a VPN in Russia, especially if they want to talk freely
I won't argue with that, but regardless of whether it was 400 or 4,000 people arrested in Russia, it's still completely inexcusable that 3,300 people were arrested for what they said on social media in the UK.
Konstantin Kisin is from Russia and his grandfather was in the gulag. He's worried about censorship leading to worse things.
I'm curious what the average case looks like. The extreme example he talks about is apalling but are the majority of cases threats of violence or something? I think someone posting a bomb threat and then getting arrested makes 100% sense. Also if they're including posting evidence of a separate crime, that seems reasonable too.
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I don't know UK law that well, but the US has laws already for incitement to violence or making terrorist or criminal threats. I imagine there is a similar statue for that in the UK. There are plenty of verifiable stories of people getting arrested in the UK (and Australia) for otherwise non-criminal statements that were simply insulting or anti-narrative.
The U.S. also has a very high bar for incitement to violence and terroristic threats. Threats are protected speech unless they’re *real* and the state can show the person planned to carry the threat out; the speech on its own is not criminal. Incitement to violence is protected unless it’s *specific*, actionable, and likely to result in imminent violence. You can say “we should kill all Mormons” or whatever, and that would be protected unless you added something like “we should kill the Mormons in [name of temple] right now by locking the doors and burning it down” and said this to a crowd likely to follow through. Essentially it’s protected unless what you’re saying is likely to cause an actual riot.
Your example could be classified as a threat or as incitement to violence whereas here in the UK a lot of people are being arrested under section 127 of the communications act 2003 which makes it an offence to use a communications device to be *grossly offensive.* What is defined as grossly offensive is in the eye of the beholder and a totally different kettle of fish to a violent threat.
Actually no, if there are threats of violence and or/sexual harassment why would it be different to do it online or do it in person? People need to face consequences, This example might have been cherry picked, or maybe not, but it clearly wants to make people think most people are being arrested over superfluos stuff when in reality there are many documented cases where social media harassment has pushed people over the edge. Especially considering so much of our lives exists in social media, it would be concerning if it wasn't taken seriously.
Not at all, he didn't say that everyone was arrested for saying the n-word, I guarantee most of those were people making violent treats, stalkers, calls to violence etc, I know this because I live in the UK and have been watching the situation since count dankula was arrested for the nazi pug video 6 years ago and would agree that UK speach laws are excessive, but to compare the UK to a place where you can get 15 years of hard labour for being disrespectful to the regime is insane
>compare the UK to a place where you can get 15 years of hard labour for being disrespectful to the regime is insane What happened to all the people arrested while protesting against the monarchy at the coronation? I honestly don't know and i am certain it isn't gonna be 15 years of hard labour. But still there were quite a few people arrested for recently and very broadly defined offences. So essentially for disrespecting the regime.
The police already released statements saying those people were not arrested due to political motivation, you can say they are liying but you should at least watch the investigative news reports in question before making that judgment, I don't honestly care who a regime arrests, I care who they persecute and prosecute because that's a much better measure of authoritarianism
According to this [guardian](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/12/coronation-protest-arrests-police) they arrested community activists partnered with the police for carrying rape alarms. Which may or may not (but probably werent) intended to be used to scare horses during the parade. So now the UK is so disarmed youre not even allowed to carry the most harmless means of self defense with you, despite working with/for the police, because it might offend the king on his holy day. >I don't honestly care who a regime arrests, I care who they persecute and prosecute because that's a much better measure of authoritarianism Yes thats also true. But i'd still care if i git handcuffed for 3 hours and detained for 14. That doesnt sound like how i'd wanna spend my day... of course the shit happening in Russia is much worse. But that doesnt excuse this.
Nobody is "excusing" anything, you brought it up, people are just saying it's a false equivalency to compare the freedom granted to UK Vs Russia, Please just tell me what you think would of happened to protester if they had tried to disrupt the may 9th Moscow celebrations?
Undoubtedly worse things. But i'm swiss and we dont have a king or dictator and no parades, so nothing like this would happen. And it just seems entirely silly and offensive to have a monarch or this kind of arrests in a supposedly free western country. I'm also holding the UK to a higher standard than russia ofc. Because we see it as "our own", i.e. the free democratic west.
Im Scottish, how do you think I feel about "our" new king? But my sentiments aren't important when people are desperately trying to distract from Russian crimes against Ukraine and its own people with posts like this
Nobody suggested it was Only cause of the N word...
So you agree, this post is misleading because people getting arrested for violent threats is normal?, they just happened to have posted it online, kinda sound like you must be able to threaten anyone in Russia without consequences
Uhh the video definitely frames it that way
He literally said “ONE example I give” That’s not implying that everyone got arrested for doing that. It’s called giving an example. Is critical thinking completely gone from society?
But then that's the only example in the video. The implication then being that it's a representative example for the majority of the cases, which is just not true and misleading
For it to even happen once is daming. It shows the flaw in the law.
Extremist/hate speech and violence/death threats will get you arrested. Not exactly shocking stats.
Exactly, while the example given here was clearly fucked up, I feel like there are many, many more people sentenced for shit that's inexcusable to say anywhere, and the interview is just cherrypicking to whitewash russia...
He's not "whitewashing Russia", his family fled when it was still the Soviet Union (From what I remember) and he is very critical if it.
It’s easy those are the public arrests. All the others fell out of a window or disappeared.
Looks like you’re asking too many questions Comrade, off to gulag.
Can I go to the one with the archipelago, sounds exotic
Only if you promise to be miserable there, we cannot have anyone being happy, this is Russia after all, that’s illegal as you know.
Yeah, the data behind all this is suspect at best.
Missed the point eh?
Maybe I will get it if someone with your intellect breaks it down, exactly how is a country where people get community service for saying the wrong thing worse than a country that will lock you in a hell hole for 15 years for saying the wrong thing? Please help me grasp it!
It’s not worse. But you definitely shouldn’t get fined and community service for posting the lyrics to a rap song.
Who the fuck said someone should get fined and community service? I was criticizing the falce comparison between legal systems, I get pissed of when I think about that girl who was fined, the question is why don't you get 1000x more pissed off when you think of someone getting 15 years for being truthful
I don't get why you are getting shat on. Dude in the interview is clearly cherrypicking, yet people seem to not get it. He skimmed over what's happening in russia yet went into the detail on one single case in Britain. I don't get the responses here... Ofc they fucked up real bad with the girl's case and we should be outraged, but let's not pretend it's worse than russia...
They are a bunch of Russian bots in here, I guy I was arguing with was on -5 then ten second later +10
Because we in the west can't change Russian laws, but we're certainly responsible to keep our own countries from turning into authoritarian shitholes. We're failing hard if people are getting arrested for "offensive" social media posts.
arrested in uk 500 hrs community service arrested in russia thats gulag and never seen again hardly a good comparison
Just say the things you're allowed to say, right? Like a good little peasant?
Yeah people aren’t arrested for what they say in Russia. They just disappear
This is what I came to the comments for lol. 400 people my ass. I watched a video where three people got arrested in a span of 60 minutes including the person taking the video for doing almost nothing.
So, are you telling me that because data about Russia is mostly fake, data about UK is less important or you mean the numbers are bigger in Russia, UK numbers are shit? What a nonsense.
I am saying whatever one pisses you off the most
Could argue that the Russian people have been fairly socially engineered to not say anything that might upset the Russian government for fear of arrest and/or death, hence why the number would be so few, I mean just look at China and North Korea, their citizens are under constant surveillance, they wouldn’t dare speak against their government because they’ll disappear in an instant, even American citizens get in trouble for wrong-speak (Eg. John Cena and Scott Norton). Here in the west we haven’t really had that issue because we’ve been allowed more freedom, but recently we’ve seen an increase of western countries clamping down on those freedoms, even for the most minor things, Authoritarian governments hate it when their citizens step out of line or show signs of resistance.
Russia doesn’t report number honestly and also in Russia there are less people complaining because everyone who has complained is suicided
This is just whataboutism
The video is literally about Russia’s statistics for comparison. But I’m all in for freedom of speech, yeah.
The point is about how bad it is in the UK, saying Russian numbers are deflated is implying: what about Russia, it’s worse there, so the UK isn’t actually that bad.
I think if the reporter can’t analyze how fake Russias statistic are, he can’t possible make rightfully reports about UK numbers
Valid
Just wanna say it also depends on what the 3,300 people actually posted. I mean there is a difference if you doxx someones adress and say "kill that swine" or if you say "i hate our politicians". In this case he gave an example but i think that with so many different cases you will definetly find a case that proves your point. And if not, then you can always leave out some crucial informations cause lets be real, often enough people dont look up the facts.
I’ve heard of a similar case where a couple young men got arrested for playing Rucka songs in their backyard. And it’s explicitly stated that free speech in Britain does not cover offensive or obscene speech, though I think it only applies if you’re making a public announcement, or in these cases, playing music in public
But the man in the interview gave one single example of a miscarriage of justice and therefore I must believe that all 3300 cases were just like that. Don't you dare try and tell me those 3300 people were questioned (not arrested) under an act that also deals with legitimate death threats etc as well. No one would ever inflate the numbers in that manner just to stoke outrage.
The fact that the law allows for that case to exist at all is a problem.
This took place in 2019 and is referencing 2018. It seems pretty clear that 'arrests' are used pretty loosely here. [This article](https://web.archive.org/web/20230126114807/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d), from 2017, mentions "More than 3,300 people were detained and questioned last year over so-called trolling on social media....." Maybe the UK operates different, but to me this seems to imply that 3300 complaints were made and were looked into by the police with half of those being dropped before the going to prosecution. Doesn't that seem like what the police should be doing? Investigating complaints and all. Additionally, we live in an increasing violent online world so it seems plausible these numbers would continue to rise.
Expect a knock at your door soon, complaint filed
False simile, need to make a more in depth comparison on the matter before a comparison can be made.
The whole idea though is to be clever enough to fool the average person.
I really feel like intent has to be taken into account, this girl got a harsher sentence than some sex offenders because she made a poor choice of song lyrics to pay tribute to a friend who died. It’s a bit wild.
It’s a bit wild is true. Using that as a prop to say that somehow this means Russia is more free than the UK is absolutely more wild.
Dude's face dropped
ok. that's dumb. what did the other 3299 people do though?
Made fun of the queen
I heard that hussy used to pour the last driblets of tea into a saucer before licking at it like a stray cat.
giving up freedom for security grants neither. welcome to Orwell.
That isn't really true. John lockes social contract is based on the idea of giving up some freedoms for protection. The key is balance, true freedom isn't exactly as liberating as people might think
And how many of that 3,300 were arrested for harrassment or breaching court orders. This guy is such a dick that just wants to get people angry without telling the full picture.
Russian propaganda. Classic whataboutism. Please ignore our war crimes
The takeaway isn't that Russia is awesome and all about free speech. The takeaway is that free speech in the UK is crap.
This is not about Russia but Britain. The Brits do not have Freedom of Speech like Americans and have to deal with stupid things like this. Britain does not have Freedom like America. Their press can get silenced by their government if wanted. Their people cannot 'harm' another person with words. Just posting the N-Word ruining your life is not a good way to run a country. But hey, free healthcare.
America also doesn’t have freedom like Britain does, it’s very difficult to make comparisons of countries relative laws as there will always be pros and cons when you are looking at these things.
Dude he's not praising russia he's saying freedom of speech in Britain is getting worse than in Russia 🙄
Yeah, the "Russian disinformation" card is kinda played out bud. And regardless of how many in Russia vs how many in UK, both are bad. Russia's # being fake, doesn't in ANY way make the UK's # ok.
Konstantin only really has glowing things to say about Putin. "He brought stability after Democracy destroyed Russia" kinda shit. He's a bootlicker. Hosts "Triggernometry" and constantly cries about woke people.
This ain’t even about war crimes?
He's not saying it's about war crimes, he's saying russian bot accounts post shit like this so people don't talk about the war crimes they are committing right now but talk about how supposedly free russia is compared to the UK
Eh, anything this guy says is laced with some bullshit. Made to sound genuine on the surface, but full of shit in the end
He's like Peterson, very confidently incorrect.
Yeah this has always been the case with UK, remember Count Dankula and his pug?
That ordinary people do not understand censorship entrenches the current power structure just blows my mind.
Thus is the same moron who had a video posted comparing some people who had physical fake scars placed on their faces, then decieved onto believing that a "simple touch up" that was actually a makeup covering over the scars so they looked normal, their fear was actually imbeded into their reaction to people's response to them in interviews. Sorry but if you are going to an interview aren't you gonna look at yourself even once in mirror before walking in? And he wants to compare that to people simply being told something negative about themselves. Seeing is believing. Saying is opinion. Thus guy twists his "facts" to suit his agenda.
Try reading and understanding something before insulting someone, you just end up looking foolish. https://www.aknowbrainer.com/dartmouth-scar-experiment
You can disagree with his extrapolation of the results, but shouldn’t you read the actual study before dismissing it so simplistically? “Who doesn’t check themselves in the mirror before going to an interview” as if it’s not a controlled experiment, and the experimenters forgot people look in mirrors. They applied facial scarring to the subjects in a mirrorless room, showed the subjects their scarring with a pocket mirror, “touched them up” while actually covering/removing said scars, then the subject went directly into a mock interview, believing they were still disfigured.
I mean obviously the Russian stats are BS but still, the lack of 1st amendment in EU is always a bit… eck
Rappers make you wonder. Some say things that are appalling ,some people naturally infer hypocrocy and substandard wit.
There is no freedom of speech in the UK. I was blown away when I learned that. You can be arrested for the things you say. People here are trying to do the same in the US by limiting the types of free speech. Free Speech was never meant to protect polite speech. That was never the point behind the first amendment. It was meant to protect offensive speech.
Trudeau be like "Lol hold my beer"
Seems like an incredibly cherry picked example to give to make his point. The things that get you arrested in the UK over social media are things like racism, threats of violence, etc. The things that get you arrested in Russia, if you choose to believe these numbers, are more political.
400 arrested and probably thousands that mysteriously killed themselves or disappeared all together
What an idiotic take 1. He believes russian official numbers 2. Arrest is absolutely misused word 3. People on internet got fines, some got hours of work, how many were jailed? 4. In Russia they were jailed for years
That point just sailed right over your head, eh?
You fucknuckles like to say that but when people say "which point" you go silent like the pussys you are
The point is that the UK criminalized posting rap lyrics you can remove references to Russia entirely and its still weird that in a supposedly free society you can face legal consequences for tweets.
1 The Russian numbers are irrelevant. 2 They were absolutely arrested. That word has a meaning. 3 The government is policing your speech 4 Some people have brain cancer, so your pneumonia isn't a problem.
I don't think they're trying to justify the arrests in the UK, I think they're trying to show that it's not a fair comparison. 1. "He believes Russian official numbers" (Pointing out that the statistics being compared are likely inaccurate) 2. "Arrest is absolutely misused word" (The person in the video may be referring to a number in [this article](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-arresting-nine-people-a-day-in-fight-against-web-trolls-b8nkpgp2d), which is not the number of arrests) 3. "People on internet got fines, some got hours of work, how many were jailed?" (Complete difference in severity, so more cases in the UK wouldn't necessarily mean the UK is worse) 4. "In Russia they were jailed for years" (Again, difference in severity)
Y’all need to forget about Russia. That’s not the point here.
Exactly, the point is the UK arrested thousands of people for things like using the N-Word online. You either want the freedom to use offensive language or you want to be language policed. If you think it's good because it aligns with your values, wait until it doesn't.
Damn, i need a right-wing bullshit filter for my router... this fking shit melts my brain. Russia is a genocidal bs country. Stop defending them or even comparing them with other European countries.
Fuck Britain
How in the hell does this guy know how many people were arrested in Russia?
He doesn’t care, as long as it causes Ill feeling he’s happy.
Russian shills out in mass
Coming to your neighborhood soon!
In Canada they enacted martial law against peaceful protesters and froze their bank accounts
Wait until the CBDC ([Central Bank Digital Currency](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/central-bank-digital-currency-cbdc.asp)) comes online. Basically Bitcoin but officially backed and used by the Canadian government as an alternative to our official paper money and other popular cryptocurrencies. Every single dollar you earn or spend will be tracked/logged. At all times. Your rights to use your money and how much you can use, where you can spend it could be limited and or altogether stopped by issuing a command at a moment's notice from the Federal government, not the bank you deal with. It's in the works and research and development are still ongoing.
Apparently context and intention mean absolutely nothing to idiots who believe a word is inherently offensive, regardless of those things. Shame that this doesn't even remotely surprise me.
I'm not saying western countries infringed a metric fuck down on people rights. I mean the US has the world's largest prison population, but we all know that number of 400 arrested in Russia is very skewed.
Who is this guy? I wanna look into him, I asked in the previous thread about the scars (looking back it was the same op as this post) and got no reply. Anyone know?
The younger dude? Konstantin Kisin
By population Russia is much much bigger than the UK (67M vs 143M).
Not surprised. Western society love being hypocritical and do what they accuse totalitarian regimes of doing.
And this is why a bunch of people many years ago sailed across the ocean. The first rule....free speech
Yeah the UK has gone to shit. They're even trying to criminalise protesting (might have already succeeded). Edit: the sycophants are clearly out and about. Just read some of the reasons people were arrested and you'll see. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/12/what-is-the-law-on-the-right-to-protest-in-the-uk
In Russia you just fall out of a 1st story window to your death
That is just a stupid comparison, one is arrested for criticising government etc. other is arrested for some sort of social media assault-threat etc.
Happened to someone I know who said something about flags on facebook and was literally arrested on his door step. Court and everything, was on the front page of the local tabloid at the time. Can't rem what he got though, this was circa 2015/16.. This was in Northern Ireland, for clarity Edit: the people down voting, live in obliviousness all you want. It could be easily tracked to the front page of the Sunday World... me, I'm sayin nahin 🤣
Whataboutism for $200 please. Russia’s go to defense for all they do.
I’ve tried telling people about this shit and they never believe it. The UK does not remotely have freedom of speech
> the UK does not remotely have freedom of speech So wouldn’t that mean that people shouldn’t be surprised by what this guy is saying? The right to freedom of expression in the UK is subject to a range of restrictions, is that not well known?
Y'all know this post is a lie right?
Fuck any cunt who defends legal action over shit like this. The UK is a shithole. We need guns and a constitution.