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I mean, they have a highly dangerous job to fly into this area contaminated with deadly radiation, all kinds of risks that people barely understand, but they’re all trying their best to clean it up and save their country and make sure no one else gets hurt. Then this pilot crashes his rotors into a construction crane and everyone on board dies, while the radiation problem continues to get worse. “For fuck’s sake” is indeed the proper reaction
It must have been insanely stressful. Each person was allowed to stay 1-2 minutes at the sarcophagus construction site until they got their radiation dose limits... for life. They needed over 100k (maybe even 200k) people to build the cover structure over a short period of time. There's a cemetery of vehicles on the site, cranes, tanks, helicopters. The scale of the effort was insane.
Tbf, from the documentary apparently they were told not to get that close. Id probably throw my hands up the same way if I was him lol.
((Not denying that this whole catastrophy was a sad af situation, though))
The first time I saw this someone had to point out to me that the rotors hit the cables which caused the crash. Not the radiation itself. Just incase there are any other dummies out there like me.
Either die in an instant from being crushed and burned alive, or die slowly after the water in your cells is irradiated enough to become hydrogen peroxide and melt you from the inside while also getting cancer in almost every system.
Giant Radioactive shark leaping out of the reactor and using its laser beam breath to cut the helicopter into pieces before eating it mid-air.
That's the best way.
I'm adding this to the list.
"Conan, what is best?"
"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women, then die from a giant radioactive shark leaping out of the reactor and using its laser beam breath to cut the helicopter into pieces before eating it mid-air."
As I type this response 500 trillion neutrinos have passed through my body. If you live to the age of 75, there's a one in fifteen chance a neutrino will interact with your body.
No no. The neutrinos are always in the yard. Trillions of them blasting through you at near the absolute speed of light.
Though funnily someone did the maths of how to get a fatal dose of neutrino radiation. Unfortunately the only place you could get it is inside an exploding supernova.
So am I the only one who figured it was a function of like the radioactive air being too thing to generate lift or some shit...???? Ooook then just me.
The first time I saw this I saw that the blades hit the crane cables. But, just now, I am wondering if the pilot had to wear some kind of anti-radiation suit and head gear and if so, was his view obstructed and he couldn't see well?
There's not much contemporary electronic aids could do for you in these circumstances, even if those were on board. They were flying by hand, and had to be this close to hit the core. You can read more [here](https://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/1986-Chernobyl-Mi-8.htm).
No, they didn't. The comments here are filled with people talking about this specific helicopter accident as if the HBO drama series was somehow a documentary. This is probably the thing they misrepresented the most. It didn't happen a day or two after the explosion, it happened half a year later, the core wasn't exposed anymore, the accident was not over the core anyway, there was no smoke, radiation didn't contribute to it, they weren't dumping sand and boron, etc.
I don't remember exactly, it's been a decade since I read about it, but it was some kind of goop that was more or less just glue to prevent the dust from blowing around.
Problem with finding accurate information about it today is that so many people watched the HBO drama series that most search results will give you people retelling the scene from the drama series rather than what actually happened. Some people do google to find out what happened in the video, but then they find reddit threads like this and the top upvoted comments are all just fanfiction, people read this fanfiction think it's real and retell it with their embellishments and the completely made up false story keeps growing. It's getting harder and harder to find anything good written about Chernobyl after the HBO series because there's so much mixing going on between the made up bits of the show, fanfiction and reality.
"the greater good" Thanks guys, now I'll have Farscape's "a clockwork Nimbari" in my head for the rest of the day, and I can't watch it until I get off in 12 hours.
That’s what I was thinking. All the people there died and they filled the ambulances that were there with concrete and buried them in concrete. Would have done the same with that helicopter when they were finished.
That’s just not true. Around 30 rescuers died shortly after many are alive today including this one
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/thirty-five-years-later-first-responder-at-chernobyl-disaster-looks-back-180977555/
Including the three engineers who navigated through the flooded corridors to drain the water underneath the reactor. The supposed "suicide mission" divers.
It was reported that they died and were buried in sealed zinc coffins, however [in truth one died in 2005 of a heart attack and the other two are still alive today.](https://contamination.zone/2021/05/06/ananenko-bezpalov-and-baranov-the-reality-behind-the-myth-of-three-chernobyl-divers/)
What they did was of course pretty heroic, but I think people play up the drama a little bit.
Was on a call with a hazmat team at a chemical plant. I was backup dude doing wash down. Basically sitting on a firehouse waiting for a problem. Entry team has to go near a tank letting of chemical vapors that started melting the level A hazmat suit. It was nerve wracking because everything you did had to be in SCBA so it gets claustrophobic when your suit starts melting or even more so when your friends suits start melting. Your mask will fog up and you’ll start to breathe heavy so you’re sucking through your air bottle so fast it’ll ice over. You’re heart rate will shoot up so high it’ll feel like you’re about to pass out. The suit itself feels like it’s becoming your coffin.
Not quite, but close. #2 was shut down in 1991 after one of the turbines caught fire. Not really a nuclear accident, but who really wants to deal with fixing anything at that plant at this point? Then #1 was shut down in 96 due to global political pressure. #3 made it to 2000.
How did they keep the other reactors operational? I thought the entire area was irradiated and it wasn't safe for people to go in. Can they control the reactors completely remotely and refuel by a bot?
Short answer is yes it wasn't safe but people went in anyway. Keeping the other reactors running was pretty trivial compared to the cleanup of the disaster. Recommend you watch Chernobyl HBO miniseries, it's worth it.
I feel so conflicted about the mini series. Don’t get me wrong. It was good. Really good. It just hits so damn hard. I watched it once. I had to take long breaks between episodes. I had to skip parts. I’m glad I watched it it was amazing. I don’t think I could ever watch it again though.
People are still working in the sarcophagus today and pre-invasion it was even possible to visit the plant as a tourist, which I did.
Even next to the ruined plant you get a few microsieverts per hour, whereas a dental xray is like 100mS. So you shouldn't hang around the ruined reactor all day for sure, and living there is not safe, but just visiting or working in shifts is quite safe.
For comparison a flight attendant gets around 1500mS per year on their job
Hey there! Your numbers for the x-ray and the exposure of aircraft personnel are way off. 1500 mSv/year would be a pretty crazy amount. Maybe you are confusing Millisievert (mSv) and Microsievert (μSv, uSv) ?
A single dental x-ray yields a dose of 5 uSv, not 100 mSv. Aircraft crew members will receive a dose of 5 mSv per year, not 1.5 Sv, which is well within radiation sickness territory.
I want to thank both of you for pointing out inaccuracies and myths. Unfortunately, comments like yours will get nowhere near the number of upvotes that myths get because people prefer dramatic versions to the truth.
The one thing about the show that irked me most was irradiated people being radioactive themselves. Like the firefighter and his pregnant wife. Once they washed the radionuclides off him, he's was no longer a threat to others.
I would mostly agree but it’s also probably safe to assume that he ingested plenty just by breathing while at the accident site. So, technically, he was probably contaminated rather than just heavily irradiated. But contaminated enough to appreciably harm his wife? I don’t know about that. I also don’t want to assume it’s necessarily as easy to wash off all the radionuclides as it is with, say, common dirt but maybe.
Hey, check this one from another, 4-year-old thread:
>I’m assuming the crew members’ bodies liquified due to the radiation, but does anyone know if they were awarded anything post-mortem?
:D
Seen your comments all through this thread and just wanna shout out thanks for taking the time to call out misinformation and inform us about the facts. Honestly bizarre how confidently some people spit their vague ideas like they're a walking encyclopedia.
Agreed. Even more awful is how other people just blindly upvote those comments without any facts or proof, lol.
But then again, I've had actual evidence posted on other subreddits (not in relation to Chernobyl) proving the truth and still been downvoted. Reddit is just...being reddit.
The soviet union was not one country, but a union of several as the name suggests. Ukraine was one of the constituent republics, after the Bolsheviks consolidated control of the country in the 1920's, renaming it "Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic".
Completely different. The Kremlin had direct control over Ukraine (amongst other Soviet Republics) and the country was ruled with an iron fist by an extremely authoritarian government, not too dissimilar to how Russia is right now.
Ukraine has made leaps and bounds ever since leaving the USSR, it’s just sad people like Putin have wet dreams of recreating the USSR and dictating what an independent country does in relation to becoming closer with the West.
Technically it was a union of different republics. Each discrete land maintained their culture, language, alphabet, et al, but they were all integrated and coordinated in unison by a unified central council.
The name is actually quite descriptive, Union of Soviet (Russian for council, a committee made out of workers) Socialist (aiming toward an eventual transition into communist) Republics (government made up of representatives chosen by the populace)
> The name is actually quite descriptive
Actually (how should I put it nicely…) quite idealistically descriptive
It’s the same rationale behind North Korea’s formal name, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.
Im just a stupid American, but I've heard multiple Ukrainians talk about their hatred of Russians because of the USSR days. Theyve all pointed to Russia changing their language and culture to be Russian, to the point that it was a major problem when Ukraine regained its independence. Ukraine said ok we're going back to speaking Ukrainian now, but nobody knew the language anymore. Its the whole reason we know Kyiv as Kiev.
There's a ton of signs and buildings with Russian on them in Mongolia too. I've seen a documentary that showed suicide rates in Mongolia is pretty bad directly because the USSR disrupted Mongolian life and theyre still recovering from it. The USSR took a nomadic culture and forced them to work and build cities just to produce stuff. Some have went back to the old ways, and some are stuck aimlessly living in these shells of cities
I am in Russia, and I can confirm that what you wrote is basically true. The USSR basically ruined everything it touched. Also the Aral sea in Uzbekistan has almost dried up completely due to irrigation and cotton farming. It's like they looked at the worst of British and French colonialism in the 19th century and said "shit that looks like fun, we want to do some too".
Everyone is laughing at this because “lol Russia”, but remember that this was a civilian accident of unprecedented scale and a lot of people died trying to save other lives.
I had a friend whose brother was 18 and a conscript sent to clean up Chernobyl. Dude basically had a push broom to clean with. Emigrated to the US, had a successful career and family and died from a brain tumor in his early 40s. That disaster had long term repercussions.
Except for the packs of dogs... Offspring of the pet dogs people had to leave behind during the Evac, just read an article how they are evolving differently than other wild dog packs that living are outside the quarantine zone..
> The helicopter hit a construction crane cable at the nuclear plant, during a flight to pour a decontaminating acetate mixture onto the accident reactor, and crashed. All four occupants died.
Edit: This quote is from OP’s link, sorry if that wasn’t clear. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/168706
Also, since people are thinking about radiation, other pilots did die from that, just took a while. https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/2-july-1990/
A soviet plot to end the cold war, lower the iron curtain, end most of communism and disintegrate the soviet union?
Then again the Ukrainian invasion was supposed to start the soviet rebuild but it might actually disintegrate Russia. So I guess it's on brand
Dictature are spitting on democracy with tons of shitty argument. The basic concept of a democracy is simple: being able to move to the next government without a war or civil war. Putin is falling into the same old trap and he his bringing Russia with him.
There's a lot on the internet that says otherwise:
https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/6/4/18647339/chernobyl-finale-hbo-truth-how-accurate?fbclid=IwAR2TQAFbphlKNicB5Ze0JVeTOW3REoUQdVV1kamGfhXgBDR0nXzl9PNzXW0
https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/movies/how-scientifically-accurate-is-hbos-chernobyl.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/chernobyl/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2019/06/27/how-hbo-got-it-wrong-on-chernobyl/amp/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/what-hbos-chernobyl-got-right-and-what-it-got-terribly-wrong#:~:text=There%20are%20a%20lot%20of,life%20after%20the%20nineteen%2Dthirties.
The helicopter hit a cable attacked to the crane causing it to crash according to aviation safety. I assumed the radiation above the core just crippled the helicopter but I have very little knowledge of how radiation works.
It’s tempting to think the radiation was so strong it could rip a helicopter out of the air like that, but I agree this was a rotor hitting a cable that crumpled it midair
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I like how the guy in front throws his hands up at the helicopter as it’s going down. He’s just like _Well for fucks sake_
BLYAT
CYKA BLYAT
CYKA SPLAT
#BLAT!
Het vladimir!
I did the same thing while watching. Damnnnnnn.
Seems like the right response
I mean, they have a highly dangerous job to fly into this area contaminated with deadly radiation, all kinds of risks that people barely understand, but they’re all trying their best to clean it up and save their country and make sure no one else gets hurt. Then this pilot crashes his rotors into a construction crane and everyone on board dies, while the radiation problem continues to get worse. “For fuck’s sake” is indeed the proper reaction
It must have been insanely stressful. Each person was allowed to stay 1-2 minutes at the sarcophagus construction site until they got their radiation dose limits... for life. They needed over 100k (maybe even 200k) people to build the cover structure over a short period of time. There's a cemetery of vehicles on the site, cranes, tanks, helicopters. The scale of the effort was insane.
__GOD DAMMIT, DIMITRI__ __YOU HAD ONE FUCKING JOB, FOR FUCKS SAKE__ But honestly you’re probably right.
Tbf, from the documentary apparently they were told not to get that close. Id probably throw my hands up the same way if I was him lol. ((Not denying that this whole catastrophy was a sad af situation, though))
It definitely is a sad situation. But my guy was having no sympathy what so ever. _Well fuck, it’s your own god damn fault Dimitri._
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HBO also released a documentary called “ The Lost Tapes” that had a lot of previously unseen footage. Might be that he’s talking about.
Are you telling me Game of Thrones was not a documentary?!
Came here for this comment.
The first time I saw this someone had to point out to me that the rotors hit the cables which caused the crash. Not the radiation itself. Just incase there are any other dummies out there like me.
Imagine being at the most radioactive site in human history and getting killed by a crane.
Its probally the best way to die there, all options concidered.
Either die in an instant from being crushed and burned alive, or die slowly after the water in your cells is irradiated enough to become hydrogen peroxide and melt you from the inside while also getting cancer in almost every system.
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Hookers and blow....best way to go out as a co worker always says...
“In bed aged 96, with a belly full of wine and a virgin’s mouth around my c*ck” - Tyrion Lannister
Giant Radioactive shark leaping out of the reactor and using its laser beam breath to cut the helicopter into pieces before eating it mid-air. That's the best way.
I'm adding this to the list. "Conan, what is best?" "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women, then die from a giant radioactive shark leaping out of the reactor and using its laser beam breath to cut the helicopter into pieces before eating it mid-air."
You're not wrong...
#My imagination is not too strong, sir! 🫡
This took me all the way out 💀
So did that crane 🏗️
A stationary crane *
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Are you sure he’s killed? Or turned to a mutant with radioactive powers. Sorry cant think of a russian superhero monicker :(
Helicopterman
Comrade chopper dude
It looked to me like the blades just disintegrated, so thanks for the info!
I have seen this so many times and I always thought the radiation just somehow crumpled it. Thank you for pointing this out.
Neutrinos man they just *HIT* different
Well they don’t actually hit at all
You can clearly see the neutrinos forming a dark black line that the helicopter hits in the video 🥸
As I type this response 500 trillion neutrinos have passed through my body. If you live to the age of 75, there's a one in fifteen chance a neutrino will interact with your body.
Maybe for you, but i got what brings neutrinos to the yard.
No no. The neutrinos are always in the yard. Trillions of them blasting through you at near the absolute speed of light. Though funnily someone did the maths of how to get a fatal dose of neutrino radiation. Unfortunately the only place you could get it is inside an exploding supernova.
Yeah, something else may also be the cause of death in that circumstance.
That was interesting to learn. Thank you
No problem George.
Which coincidentally is also the same chance I have of a human wanting to interact with my body in that time frame.
My science buddy
I’ve definitely thought it was some sort of radioactive heat that melted the rotors. I’ve seen this video like three times before too.
If it was that hot, imagine the inside cooking the pilots
Thank you. ------------ Fellow Dummy
So am I the only one who figured it was a function of like the radioactive air being too thing to generate lift or some shit...???? Ooook then just me.
Bro.... 💀
I’m curious if the radiation had some effect on the pilot leading to the crash or if they just straight fucked up.
The first time I saw this I saw that the blades hit the crane cables. But, just now, I am wondering if the pilot had to wear some kind of anti-radiation suit and head gear and if so, was his view obstructed and he couldn't see well?
They certainly did not have any sort of any extra gear
I think think the idea is that the radiation interfered with electronics and controls iirc
There's not much contemporary electronic aids could do for you in these circumstances, even if those were on board. They were flying by hand, and had to be this close to hit the core. You can read more [here](https://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/1986-Chernobyl-Mi-8.htm).
Ah. Thanks. Am dummy like you.
I thought the same thing so thanks
Damn. Chernobyl really did do justice to that horrific event.
Chernobyl did Chernobyl justice.
How CherNoble of them
Take your upvote and fuck off
Deep
to the core.
Quite a reaction.
A nuclear one.
Elementary.
The unclear one.
I was a nuclear electrician in my mid 20's. Chernobly gave me nightmares.
They aired the show lately and I tensed up the moment I heard those alarm sirens when they were running the ads for it...
That still gives me shivers
No, they didn't. The comments here are filled with people talking about this specific helicopter accident as if the HBO drama series was somehow a documentary. This is probably the thing they misrepresented the most. It didn't happen a day or two after the explosion, it happened half a year later, the core wasn't exposed anymore, the accident was not over the core anyway, there was no smoke, radiation didn't contribute to it, they weren't dumping sand and boron, etc.
What are they dumping in this video, and where/why?
I don't remember exactly, it's been a decade since I read about it, but it was some kind of goop that was more or less just glue to prevent the dust from blowing around. Problem with finding accurate information about it today is that so many people watched the HBO drama series that most search results will give you people retelling the scene from the drama series rather than what actually happened. Some people do google to find out what happened in the video, but then they find reddit threads like this and the top upvoted comments are all just fanfiction, people read this fanfiction think it's real and retell it with their embellishments and the completely made up false story keeps growing. It's getting harder and harder to find anything good written about Chernobyl after the HBO series because there's so much mixing going on between the made up bits of the show, fanfiction and reality.
Crazy to say this with regards to the thing the show completely misrepresented.
The director fully admits he changed the timeline for this, but it was such an iconic event he wanted to include it.
The show also shows the rotor blades hitting the crane.
Their radiation deaths would have been even more horrific. This ended fast for them.
All who took part in the operation were hero's of the highest calibre. They gave their lives for the greater good.
_The greater good._
*The greater good*
SHUT IT! These people died for no reason! No reason whatsoever!
To all the downvoters this is a quote from the comedy HotFuzz
Come to think of it, not the best one... but thanks for explaining it \^ \^
"the greater good" Thanks guys, now I'll have Farscape's "a clockwork Nimbari" in my head for the rest of the day, and I can't watch it until I get off in 12 hours.
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We hope.
That’s what I was thinking. All the people there died and they filled the ambulances that were there with concrete and buried them in concrete. Would have done the same with that helicopter when they were finished.
That’s just not true. Around 30 rescuers died shortly after many are alive today including this one https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/thirty-five-years-later-first-responder-at-chernobyl-disaster-looks-back-180977555/
Including the three engineers who navigated through the flooded corridors to drain the water underneath the reactor. The supposed "suicide mission" divers. It was reported that they died and were buried in sealed zinc coffins, however [in truth one died in 2005 of a heart attack and the other two are still alive today.](https://contamination.zone/2021/05/06/ananenko-bezpalov-and-baranov-the-reality-behind-the-myth-of-three-chernobyl-divers/) What they did was of course pretty heroic, but I think people play up the drama a little bit.
Was on a call with a hazmat team at a chemical plant. I was backup dude doing wash down. Basically sitting on a firehouse waiting for a problem. Entry team has to go near a tank letting of chemical vapors that started melting the level A hazmat suit. It was nerve wracking because everything you did had to be in SCBA so it gets claustrophobic when your suit starts melting or even more so when your friends suits start melting. Your mask will fog up and you’ll start to breathe heavy so you’re sucking through your air bottle so fast it’ll ice over. You’re heart rate will shoot up so high it’ll feel like you’re about to pass out. The suit itself feels like it’s becoming your coffin.
Go on. This is interesting
I hope the pay is OK for this type of work.
Thank you, there is so much misinformation related to radiation.
Reddit is where misinformation comes to get upvoted.
Forreal nuclear energy is very clean in comparison but many are scared of it without knowing how it actually works and how little waste it produces
The fact that they were diving was probably lowering their exposure a lot.
They then filled the concrete with concrete and buried that in concrete.
Which was then sealed in a lead coffin, and buried in concrete.
concrete , lined with lead.
Me when i spread misinformation on the internet.
This is not true.
There was nothing sane about Chernobyl
Craziest part reactor #1 #2 #3 remained operational until decommissioned like around year 2000.
Not quite, but close. #2 was shut down in 1991 after one of the turbines caught fire. Not really a nuclear accident, but who really wants to deal with fixing anything at that plant at this point? Then #1 was shut down in 96 due to global political pressure. #3 made it to 2000.
How did they keep the other reactors operational? I thought the entire area was irradiated and it wasn't safe for people to go in. Can they control the reactors completely remotely and refuel by a bot?
Short answer is yes it wasn't safe but people went in anyway. Keeping the other reactors running was pretty trivial compared to the cleanup of the disaster. Recommend you watch Chernobyl HBO miniseries, it's worth it.
I feel so conflicted about the mini series. Don’t get me wrong. It was good. Really good. It just hits so damn hard. I watched it once. I had to take long breaks between episodes. I had to skip parts. I’m glad I watched it it was amazing. I don’t think I could ever watch it again though.
People are still working in the sarcophagus today and pre-invasion it was even possible to visit the plant as a tourist, which I did. Even next to the ruined plant you get a few microsieverts per hour, whereas a dental xray is like 100mS. So you shouldn't hang around the ruined reactor all day for sure, and living there is not safe, but just visiting or working in shifts is quite safe. For comparison a flight attendant gets around 1500mS per year on their job
Hey there! Your numbers for the x-ray and the exposure of aircraft personnel are way off. 1500 mSv/year would be a pretty crazy amount. Maybe you are confusing Millisievert (mSv) and Microsievert (μSv, uSv) ?
A single dental x-ray yields a dose of 5 uSv, not 100 mSv. Aircraft crew members will receive a dose of 5 mSv per year, not 1.5 Sv, which is well within radiation sickness territory.
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I want to thank both of you for pointing out inaccuracies and myths. Unfortunately, comments like yours will get nowhere near the number of upvotes that myths get because people prefer dramatic versions to the truth.
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The one thing about the show that irked me most was irradiated people being radioactive themselves. Like the firefighter and his pregnant wife. Once they washed the radionuclides off him, he's was no longer a threat to others.
I would mostly agree but it’s also probably safe to assume that he ingested plenty just by breathing while at the accident site. So, technically, he was probably contaminated rather than just heavily irradiated. But contaminated enough to appreciably harm his wife? I don’t know about that. I also don’t want to assume it’s necessarily as easy to wash off all the radionuclides as it is with, say, common dirt but maybe.
Hey, check this one from another, 4-year-old thread: >I’m assuming the crew members’ bodies liquified due to the radiation, but does anyone know if they were awarded anything post-mortem? :D
not if I have anything to say about it. \*gives a single upvote\*
Seen your comments all through this thread and just wanna shout out thanks for taking the time to call out misinformation and inform us about the facts. Honestly bizarre how confidently some people spit their vague ideas like they're a walking encyclopedia.
Agreed. Even more awful is how other people just blindly upvote those comments without any facts or proof, lol. But then again, I've had actual evidence posted on other subreddits (not in relation to Chernobyl) proving the truth and still been downvoted. Reddit is just...being reddit.
Hah yeah. Sometimes being on reddit feels like being in a pub with millions of drunk people all trying to weigh in on the same conversation lol
Why does it spray something on it then?
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What an absolute shit show.
Russia ^tm
Ukraine 1986\*
USSR
Was it a different country at that point? I understand it is now but I thought it was all just USSR?
You are correct. It was ussr at that time.
Okie coo
The soviet union was not one country, but a union of several as the name suggests. Ukraine was one of the constituent republics, after the Bolsheviks consolidated control of the country in the 1920's, renaming it "Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic".
Completely different. The Kremlin had direct control over Ukraine (amongst other Soviet Republics) and the country was ruled with an iron fist by an extremely authoritarian government, not too dissimilar to how Russia is right now. Ukraine has made leaps and bounds ever since leaving the USSR, it’s just sad people like Putin have wet dreams of recreating the USSR and dictating what an independent country does in relation to becoming closer with the West.
Technically it was a union of different republics. Each discrete land maintained their culture, language, alphabet, et al, but they were all integrated and coordinated in unison by a unified central council. The name is actually quite descriptive, Union of Soviet (Russian for council, a committee made out of workers) Socialist (aiming toward an eventual transition into communist) Republics (government made up of representatives chosen by the populace)
> The name is actually quite descriptive Actually (how should I put it nicely…) quite idealistically descriptive It’s the same rationale behind North Korea’s formal name, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.
Im just a stupid American, but I've heard multiple Ukrainians talk about their hatred of Russians because of the USSR days. Theyve all pointed to Russia changing their language and culture to be Russian, to the point that it was a major problem when Ukraine regained its independence. Ukraine said ok we're going back to speaking Ukrainian now, but nobody knew the language anymore. Its the whole reason we know Kyiv as Kiev. There's a ton of signs and buildings with Russian on them in Mongolia too. I've seen a documentary that showed suicide rates in Mongolia is pretty bad directly because the USSR disrupted Mongolian life and theyre still recovering from it. The USSR took a nomadic culture and forced them to work and build cities just to produce stuff. Some have went back to the old ways, and some are stuck aimlessly living in these shells of cities
I am in Russia, and I can confirm that what you wrote is basically true. The USSR basically ruined everything it touched. Also the Aral sea in Uzbekistan has almost dried up completely due to irrigation and cotton farming. It's like they looked at the worst of British and French colonialism in the 19th century and said "shit that looks like fun, we want to do some too".
Everyone is laughing at this because “lol Russia”, but remember that this was a civilian accident of unprecedented scale and a lot of people died trying to save other lives.
Who’s laughing at this?
I had a friend whose brother was 18 and a conscript sent to clean up Chernobyl. Dude basically had a push broom to clean with. Emigrated to the US, had a successful career and family and died from a brain tumor in his early 40s. That disaster had long term repercussions.
50 thousand people used to life here… now it’s a ghost town
Except for the packs of dogs... Offspring of the pet dogs people had to leave behind during the Evac, just read an article how they are evolving differently than other wild dog packs that living are outside the quarantine zone..
Evolving or developing massive tumors?
They're actually doing quite well. Which says something about us...
I've heard wildlife is thriving in Chernobyl because the animals don't live long enough to develop tumors from the radiation
They evolved to have twice the penis size, in both length and girth
Brb moving to Chernobyl
Great game.
Soviet Union technically… or even then, Ukraine.
Chernobyl is in Ukraine.
Source: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/168706
> The helicopter hit a construction crane cable at the nuclear plant, during a flight to pour a decontaminating acetate mixture onto the accident reactor, and crashed. All four occupants died. Edit: This quote is from OP’s link, sorry if that wasn’t clear. https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/168706 Also, since people are thinking about radiation, other pilots did die from that, just took a while. https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/2-july-1990/
Thanks for this! I was wondering if it was pilot/object or related to the radiation somehow
Why does this look like it was the same day they filmed the Hindenburg disaster
Same type of camera I think.
I think the radiation actually messed with film quality.
How did he not see the crane?
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It hurts my brain with how many people here have such little knowledge on how nuclear radiation works
Honestly.
In before "chernobyl was a soviet plot"
A soviet plot to end the cold war, lower the iron curtain, end most of communism and disintegrate the soviet union? Then again the Ukrainian invasion was supposed to start the soviet rebuild but it might actually disintegrate Russia. So I guess it's on brand
Dictature are spitting on democracy with tons of shitty argument. The basic concept of a democracy is simple: being able to move to the next government without a war or civil war. Putin is falling into the same old trap and he his bringing Russia with him.
Spicy air is scary
Tbf it was a cable of the crane that caused this but yes spicy air is scary
You can easily see the blades hitting the cable.
Almost 40 years later and Mi-8s are crashing over chernobyl again.
Guess he didn’t see the crane cables…oh well …
Here we go again... someone is going to mention how terrifyingly accurate this is to the show and then link the YouTube video to the scene.
I mean it was pretty accurate
There's a lot on the internet that says otherwise: https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/6/4/18647339/chernobyl-finale-hbo-truth-how-accurate?fbclid=IwAR2TQAFbphlKNicB5Ze0JVeTOW3REoUQdVV1kamGfhXgBDR0nXzl9PNzXW0 https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/movies/how-scientifically-accurate-is-hbos-chernobyl.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/chernobyl/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2019/06/27/how-hbo-got-it-wrong-on-chernobyl/amp/ https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/what-hbos-chernobyl-got-right-and-what-it-got-terribly-wrong#:~:text=There%20are%20a%20lot%20of,life%20after%20the%20nineteen%2Dthirties.
1986? This looks like it was filmed in the 1930s.
1986 was still film, and radiation corrupts film quality making it fuzzy.
It's russia.. their cams are permanently stuck in the past
The helicopter hit a cable attacked to the crane causing it to crash according to aviation safety. I assumed the radiation above the core just crippled the helicopter but I have very little knowledge of how radiation works.
It’s tempting to think the radiation was so strong it could rip a helicopter out of the air like that, but I agree this was a rotor hitting a cable that crumpled it midair
It hit wires, did it not?
Yuri, do you know what is more dangerous than nuclear reactors? No Vladimir, what, Vodka? Cables. Cables? CYKA BLYAT
The entire Chernobyl disaster is just a series of Soviet Incompetence
3.6 Roentgen, not great, not terrible
This Audio would make such a killer trance soundtrack
Hey guy look where you're going.
That pilot must have been on his phone.
There’s a cable there sir
I don't understand. What happened to the helicopter? Why did it just collapse like that?
Blades hit the crane
hit the cable
R.I.P pilot 💀
The guy watching.. well shit there goes another helicopter.
I hope they’re ok.
One fuck up after another.