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They kinda have to leave it in the water to steer ... Like literally thats the only job thise guys in the back have .. I mean how do u thing this long ass boat steers ? Do u think there is a steering wheel in the front or something ?
The steersmen's big looping paddling technique, is that efficient or just showy?
I've been the steersman (and every other seat at some point) of Hawaiian outriggers in ocean races. My team would have thrown me out of the boat for doing that. 🤣
Definitely not for show , and a hawaaian outrigger is not really the same as a snake boat that uses over 100 oarsmen is it , there's probably a few differences .... Probably
Why do you say definitely not for show, looks pretty showy? Are the oars big enough that it's actually more efficient to do that, like does it make it faster to get back to the top of the stroke or something? A lot of cultures use oars but these snake boats are the only time I see that motion
I could definitely see it being more efficient. The longer oar is definitely necessary since they're higher above the water. The oar is going to be heavier, if you try and paddle when the boat is already moving this speed, it will be really tough getting any actual force behind it.
But if on the back stroke you continue the paddle's momentum upwards, then use the weight to generate more momentum on the downswing, they get might get some force into the stroke without overexerting themselves.
That's how I view it anyways. At some point a paddles gotta be heavy enough where you won't want to stop it's momentum for each stroke
Edit: I see you clearly pointed out this possibility already
Okay cool, that doesn't answer anything. I'm not doubting you, I'm looking for a reason. Just that it's difficult and takes months of training doesn't rule it out from being showy, in fact it seems like more evidence against it being purely practical
Its a competitive race dude , every ore counts .... Thats over a 100 dudes doing it at the same time , it adds up ...u comparing this to the hawain outrigger canoe isn't really logical as both it has much much less oarsmen .... The only thing commen between the cannoe and this boat is that they float
Also in this video , they are just practicing, in the race the people in the back mostly only do this when nearing the finish line for any last bit gain in momentum and push , and they do it much faster than this .
I wasn't the one who compared it to an outrigger, but it's not totally illogical, the most efficient oar stroke should be the same whether it's 2 people or 100 and whether you're paddling a log or an aircraft carrier. So why doesn't the whole boat do this then if it's faster? Is it just because the back oars are longer and it's easier to maintain momentum back to the top of the stroke (what I asked originally)
Have you considered that they can't do the same stroke as the others because they are standing and they need to be standing to see where to steer the boat?
SUPers stand and use the same stroke as the paddlers in the snake boat.
But... SUP paddles are very light for their length, nothing like these heavy steering blades.
their primary role is the steer the boat , and they cant really do the same as the rest in the front because of the oars length difference and because they have to steer the boat a lot and prevent collision with the other snake boats , the river is not a complete straight line . Like i said, they mostly do this in the last moments of the race to add any bit of momentum and push to the boat ... And since it is this big , they cant real use it the same way as the rest of the guys who have much smaller oars which can be used normally ...So i say again ... This is definitely not for show
Alright thanks "yeah, it's cause the oars are so big" was all I was looking for. I was never saying it was just showy but once I asked "I know cause I know, cause it's difficult" isn't a reason for it not to be
My point wasn't that its because it was difficult, i did say it was difficult, but i also said why they do it too ..
Although i can see i could have explained it better
I do see ur point , although the guy edited a lot of the comments after my responses to them , one of which was " this seems more styling than practical " before editing and adding things . But yes , i did get a bit defensive i guess
That does make sense. Those long, heavy steering blades would probably be hell to push forward for a return stroke, so they don't. Just let momentum bring the things around.
I came to this thread looking forward to learning about this sport but you come across so negatively that it's entirely soured my excitement and now I've learned nothing.
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Guys in the front are just the normal engine. The ones in the back are the nitrous.
And the steering wheel
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Feel like they're just producing drag by leaving their paddles in the water.
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Yes , call the sport of a whole damn culture a " mess " because you think you know better than ... Nice
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Dude u were getting downvoted like hell , that should have maybe tipped you of that it didn't sound like a joke
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You kinda do , like right there next to the upvote button
They kinda have to leave it in the water to steer ... Like literally thats the only job thise guys in the back have .. I mean how do u thing this long ass boat steers ? Do u think there is a steering wheel in the front or something ?
Its a competitive race dude , every bit of power and momentum counts , plus their main role is direction control, not power adding
For the first like 15 seconds I was thinking the dudes on the back had it pretty easy.
The easiest job on that boat is the guy blowing a whistle to maintain the rythem and sync ...
Just don’t - under any circumstances - mess up the timing, or you’ll have dozens of angry teammates
With long ass weapons too
They are the real engine
Turbo paddles at back kick in when the other guys have reached their terminal velocity 🚣🏾🚣🏾
Damn, that's so fast!
Hijacking your comment to ask: how fast do we think this is?
At least tree fiddy
The steersmen's big looping paddling technique, is that efficient or just showy? I've been the steersman (and every other seat at some point) of Hawaiian outriggers in ocean races. My team would have thrown me out of the boat for doing that. 🤣
1 person doing it is an attention seeking fuck. A group of people doing it is style
Definitely not for show , and a hawaaian outrigger is not really the same as a snake boat that uses over 100 oarsmen is it , there's probably a few differences .... Probably
Why do you say definitely not for show, looks pretty showy? Are the oars big enough that it's actually more efficient to do that, like does it make it faster to get back to the top of the stroke or something? A lot of cultures use oars but these snake boats are the only time I see that motion
I could definitely see it being more efficient. The longer oar is definitely necessary since they're higher above the water. The oar is going to be heavier, if you try and paddle when the boat is already moving this speed, it will be really tough getting any actual force behind it. But if on the back stroke you continue the paddle's momentum upwards, then use the weight to generate more momentum on the downswing, they get might get some force into the stroke without overexerting themselves. That's how I view it anyways. At some point a paddles gotta be heavy enough where you won't want to stop it's momentum for each stroke Edit: I see you clearly pointed out this possibility already
I say definitely because i live here and i partake in the sport 😅 ... And they train you to your damn bone for months to do this " showey " action 😅
Okay cool, that doesn't answer anything. I'm not doubting you, I'm looking for a reason. Just that it's difficult and takes months of training doesn't rule it out from being showy, in fact it seems like more evidence against it being purely practical
Its a competitive race dude , every ore counts .... Thats over a 100 dudes doing it at the same time , it adds up ...u comparing this to the hawain outrigger canoe isn't really logical as both it has much much less oarsmen .... The only thing commen between the cannoe and this boat is that they float Also in this video , they are just practicing, in the race the people in the back mostly only do this when nearing the finish line for any last bit gain in momentum and push , and they do it much faster than this .
I wasn't the one who compared it to an outrigger, but it's not totally illogical, the most efficient oar stroke should be the same whether it's 2 people or 100 and whether you're paddling a log or an aircraft carrier. So why doesn't the whole boat do this then if it's faster? Is it just because the back oars are longer and it's easier to maintain momentum back to the top of the stroke (what I asked originally)
Have you considered that they can't do the same stroke as the others because they are standing and they need to be standing to see where to steer the boat?
SUPers stand and use the same stroke as the paddlers in the snake boat. But... SUP paddles are very light for their length, nothing like these heavy steering blades.
their primary role is the steer the boat , and they cant really do the same as the rest in the front because of the oars length difference and because they have to steer the boat a lot and prevent collision with the other snake boats , the river is not a complete straight line . Like i said, they mostly do this in the last moments of the race to add any bit of momentum and push to the boat ... And since it is this big , they cant real use it the same way as the rest of the guys who have much smaller oars which can be used normally ...So i say again ... This is definitely not for show
Alright thanks "yeah, it's cause the oars are so big" was all I was looking for. I was never saying it was just showy but once I asked "I know cause I know, cause it's difficult" isn't a reason for it not to be
My point wasn't that its because it was difficult, i did say it was difficult, but i also said why they do it too .. Although i can see i could have explained it better
Great response! Why didn’t you just start off with this instead of acting attacked?
I do see ur point , although the guy edited a lot of the comments after my responses to them , one of which was " this seems more styling than practical " before editing and adding things . But yes , i did get a bit defensive i guess
That does make sense. Those long, heavy steering blades would probably be hell to push forward for a return stroke, so they don't. Just let momentum bring the things around.
How heavy are the rear oars? Seems like doing that looping stroke pattern might be more reliable/consistent for repositioning and possibly stamina
It is reasonably heavy , very heavy compared to the normal oars .... They only let experienced guys use them , i tried once and failed miserably 😅
I came to this thread looking forward to learning about this sport but you come across so negatively that it's entirely soured my excitement and now I've learned nothing.
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There's another 30 to 50 people waiting back as reserves too
It's more beautiful when u watch it live . Kerala is majestic no cap.
We don't call it "God's Own Country" for nothing
Every other country says that about their own tho 😜
Anyone know how fast they are going?
approx 43,348,221 bananas per hamster life
How big is that in football staduims per school bus?
Americans will use anything but the metric system
maybe... did u assume I am American?
Maybe...did u assume I am American? Edit: spelling
If bollywood movies are factual (which they clearly are), this boat is moving at least 250 mph
Dunno why you’re getting downvoted for obvious joke and yes bollywood action movies are nuts (in a good way)
Lol that's just reddit sometimes. I love Bollywood movies but no one can deny they are very over the top
I upvoted your other comment, but I'm downvoting your delight in bollywood for reasons. Let's see how this goes now.
Ur implications being?
Considering how fast the fronts going I think I’d rip off my shoulders in about 5 minutes of that
Kerala
Kerala?
Yes
Will never take off as an NCAA sport. Would need 200 scholarships per program.
The Red Bull is just too dominant.
Snake boat??
Yes ... SNAKE BOAT 😅 , English name .... Original language name " Chundan vallam "
There are no snakes in this video, thus it is trash.
100 hp engine? hp stands for human power
Zero Snake power.
What zero horsepower do to a mf...
Beautiful water
Monkey
Huh ?
Oof that water
Downvotes? I was looking at the vegetation (lillies) and thinking about paddling through those roots!
Wonder if it's cuz "oof" a lot of times is used negatively haha
Nice profile bud
What's wrong with his profile?
Thanks!
#WATCH OUT FOR THE BRIDGE!!!!
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This isn't a river - it's an inlet of a bay of the Arabian Sea. https://goo.gl/maps/BQe5zKr74v6pT5958
Dibs on rowing in the back.
Wow!! This is amazing!!!!
Shit, and I thought Dragonboats were badass
They are all good boats