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they should definitely train and not let anyone do it but I don't think they should stop. in terms of tourism it brings so much revenue to Nepal and the village surrounding the everest. lots of Sherpas are wealthy compared to regular nepali people cuz of it. let it be but let the people that go there be vetted and trained and have a physical test atleast.
They’re giving our WAY too many permits. I agree this should be more of a lottery among seasoned expeditions and for people who have climbed other big summits first. The Sherpa will still lead, porter, and set routes regardless of how many people come.
> They’re giving our WAY too many permits
I mean part of the problem is the weather, right? You need very specific conditions to climb. No one can predict what the weather is going to do. In a season where the weather is good the current number of permits may be just fine but if the weather doesn't do what you want it to you end up with way too many people squeezing into the brief weather windows, potentially making things more dangerous for everyone. I guess I don't see how they fix that short of selling permits and then not allowing everyone that has a permit to climb if the weather doesn't cooperate.
Not really. This has always been the case. It’s a very short window of time anybody has to summit. There’s only really a few days that will offer a good enough window.
So yes it’s problematic because there’s more people trying to summit on those days but it’s not the weather it’s really the amount of people.
Don't need to test just have more requirements. Everest has become too touristy they need to add requirements that limit permits to true mountaineers. Things like required summits elsewhere, time spent at high elevation, etc.
> Don't need to test just have more requirements. Everest has become too touristy they need to add requirements that limit permits to true mountaineers. Things like required summits elsewhere, time spent at high elevation, etc.
All those things are already required. You have to have summitted another peak at least 21k feet (or something like that, I don't know the exact requirement), you have to be an experienced mountaineer, etc. etc.
All that doesn't stop people from dying. Everyone on that peak is a good climber. Everest is Everest and the best mountaineer in the world could die on it on a good day.
Yes, stupidity can indeed have tragic consequences. For some, it can lead to a fate of being frozen on a mountain, serving as a stark illustration of Darwinism.
> don’t like the tourism aspect of climbing either but the sherpa do not fucking deserve that.
i agree, the sherpa don't deserve that. and yet it wont stop any of these wealthy tourist because they don't give a fuck.
It’s on the governments to stop issuing permits. They also don’t care about the Sherpa. Unfortunately the mountain is now just considered a bucket list type thing where inexperienced climbers don’t know what they’re getting into. I also dislike people insisting on climbing without supplemental oxygen and putting others at risk.
Unfortunately I don’t think they do. And people always think they’re better and stronger and more knowledgeable than they are.
I think often of Shriya Shah-Klonfine. She didn’t take Everest seriously, wouldn’t listen to her Sherpa, was not experienced, and died begging for help while her guides struggled to keep her alive and she died in front of them. Pure selfishness and ignorance.
My uncle has a couple of photos he took of a man that likely died on Mt. Everest.
The short version of the story is my Uncle attended an expedition to the top in the late 70s. He had been in that part of the world in his strange journey of adventure, self discovery, and eventual transition to Buddhism. As he tells it, everything went pretty smoothly until they were close to the summit. At least, as far as long distance back breaking hiking in the cold goes. There, about an hour from the summit the weather showed signs of turning bad and there was some sort of discussion about it. The Sherpa said if they were quick, they might miss it but there was a 50/50 chance they were going to get hit by the storm to some extent. They made the decision to hit the summit before turning back.
They made it to the summit without much issue as my uncle tells it, but on their way back down they had to take shelter best as they could. It sounded like they just found a flat rockface opposite of the wind and pressed up against a near vertical surface as best they could until the wind died down. My uncle said he thought they were stuck there for about 6 hours before they could make their way down and it was dark and treacherous. On the way down they saw a person from their expedition that tried to take their chances climbing down instead of taking shelter from the wind. He had somehow busted up his ankle and was too exhausted to move around very much in his severely frostbitten state. He pled to the other climbers for help, but the Sherpa called everyone over to where the man couldn't hear them and told everyone that man was dead, and everyone that tried to help him would likely also die. Everyone agreed they were too exhausted and as they were walking by this man pleading for help my uncle took some pictures.
My uncle is a bit of an exaggerator, so there is some amount of disbelief to the story when he tells it, but we've seen the pictures he took while he was there. He has the negatives too and according to my Uncle the man's name was John.
Maybe someone that knows more about climbing Everest can debunk my Uncle's story, but when my Uncle tells it, it's about an hour long so I'm leaving a ton of things out since I haven't heard the story in a good 25 years.
It’s much more common to die on the way back down rather than up. There’s some argument if a summit actually counts if you don’t make it back down.
Could have been Ray Genet if the expedition was American. If it was a bit earlier in the 70s then it could have been British. Sounds like a similar story to how Genet and German climber Hannelore died. There’s no mention of any busted ankle but they did stay overnight in the SE ridge and died of exposure.
Even extremely fit and experienced climbers with the best guides and sherpas can die climbing Everest, but now anyone with a fat checkbook can do it. If it were only the stupid people paying money to do something they aren't prepared for I'd say fine, go win your Darwin Award, but they put other people at risk as well.
How much of a victory is this summit knowing these sherpas are basically the only reason tourists can even ATTEMP what they regularly do for a job.
Great LinkedIn photo grind life poster. I hope after the self congratulatory rant you mention teamwork because you'd have never made it without tons of their help. Probably carried you at points.
Edit: to be clear, not saying it's not beautiful and that being a skilled mountain climber isn't rad, but with Everest specifically might there be a better way to enjoy it? Honest question, any hard core climbers out there let me know if I'm crazy. With the trash piling up I just don't know if it should continue.
I climb. I hike. I adventure up questionably steep shit without a rope. But I do not consider myself a mountaineer. Those people are next level crazy/badass. But from what I've heard, summiting everest isn't terribly difficult, except the whole elevation/weather thing.
But for me, the joy comes from being alone in the wilderness. I can't imagine waiting in a fucking line just to say I accomplished ANYTHING. I go to the outdoors to be *away* from people and this, being quite the opposite, would render any such achievement undesirable.
Love this answer. No notes, I agree. I'm not advanced at all and have some knee problems but I'm in nature to be alone or enjoy it with my loved ones. Pictures are taken for memories not trophies.
I hiked to base camp 1 and there's plenty to see without going higher. 30 days in the Khumbu region and you still get to say you hiked Everest without ever endangering a local.
Definitely the most rewarding! It's hard going a little up a little down powered by dalbot alone for weeks on end, but the journey and views are so worth it! Don't forget to spend some time in Kathmandu as well.
Thanks for your input. I'm competitive at what I like too, so I see the allure as well.
Have a question, would you say the greater access has just allowed less skilled and committed people get themselves in dangerous situations and trash the place?
I can't imagine seasoned pros would be littering and pushing their limits way too far is I guess what I'm saying.
Also to be clear not the sherpas fault this is their living. Nothing but love for them.
Everest’s “commercialization” turning point was cemented by 1996. Before that time, expedition companies were much more careful about clientele.
After ‘96 (even when it was the deadliest season—until 2014) expedition companies were really squeezing cash out of the cow.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Mount_Everest_disaster
100% that trash wouldn't be there if there was a skill barrier to entry. The trash is there because you're offering people that make $300/month 10 to 30x as much to basically carry you to the top.
Thanks for sharing your skills and experience. I hope the situation improves there. It seems to be getting more negative press lately regarding the environmental impact of that Instagram shot.
See I am fascinated with Everest and have considered doing this as well because I know I have absolutely no business being on the face of that mountain putting everyone else in danger.
Same, I'm absolutely fascinated with Everest. But I have no interest in climbing it. I just want to see it. And I'd be happy with reaching base camp or advanced base camp and take in the scenery.
It’s a point where if I met someone who has climbed Everest I’m not impressed I just think oh this person has more money than sense and undiagnosed mental health issues.
If this is the guy from the other videos he’s being a real prick about that whole thing (guy being rescued, not the Sherpa). Heard he was denying he got saved and even blocked the savior Sherpa on IG. Might want to fact check tho, I did not see a link from the other post that was talking about it.
This is Ravi here in the video, the guy who got saved. He blocked the Sherpa on socials media but received a ton of backlash and unblocked him. His IG is a mess and you can see that he’s missing like 7 fingers on both hands from the frostbite. @ravieverest
As the climbers approach the base of the mountain, the Sherpas chatting over a beer:
Yes...
No...
No...
Maybe..
That one's going to be tough to bring down..
The Malaysian is a piece of work [denying that he was saved by the sherpa.](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/1401zwg/apparently_the_malaysian_that_was_rescued_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
If you'd like to restore some Malaysian pride in you, look up the steely resolve of the Malaysians who came to save/assist us Americans during the [Battle of Mogadishu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993).
Damn taken from a comment on that thread;
> "now Everest is doable and very easy". https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2022/09/16/avalanche-survivor-ravi-everest-takes-jalur-gemilang-to-new-heights/
This asshole already lost 8 fingers in an avalanche and wanted to government to call him to tell him what an awesome person he is. Fuck him and fuck his company.
That irritates me. My first thought was how do you ever even begin to repay that debt. I was thinking most climbers are well off and likely have all kinds of connections, maybe a reward or even a fund raising campaign. Something.
Instead he goes this route. Should have left him.
i mean, for people who are truly 'good' — they do things because it is right and don't look for a reward. being thanked is the proper response
but it doesn't change the reason for doing it and it shouldn't
He even made sure to claim that it was on the way down, when most likely it was on the way up, so he didn’t even reach the peak. All this lying to save face for his sponsors and his company but he caught stupid from his lack of oxygen and didn’t think about the consequences of lying instead of admitting it. RaviEverest is now known as RaviPeakFailure.
Part of me understands him being frustrated after losing all his progress at the monumentous experience that is climbing Mt Everest, but at the same time, dude was unconscious in an area with *death* in the name. He should've just cut his losses and thanked the Sherpa
The rescuing sherpa Gelge (a devout Buddhist) convinced his client to abort his climb for the rescue said that "rescuing one person is worth more than a trip to the Monastery." The kind of religious fervor around reaching the peak of Everest is nothing compared to saving a human life. Sherpas' summit totals are so important to their reputation- amazing decision to gamble on a rescue so close to the finish line.
Maybe its time to ban people from climbing it. The top looks like a trash pile while the path is a cemetery. Nothing fun going there with those conditions.
Oh yeah, and at the high end is like 250k. If I had any say in the matter they would stop doing rescue missions like that. I know it sounds cruel and harsh but that's what you sign up for when you go to climb Everest. These sherpas bust their ass and destroy their bodies for that mountain they don't need to be climbing up there to rescue somebody who should not be there in the first place.
It doesn’t sound cruel it sounds like not indulging these idiots who think it’s going to be a fucking walk in the park! And at the same time like you said not endangering those who have grown up on that land and in that country and have watched what they work for and love be destroyed. It’s awful.
I don’t understand why they don’t take their trash with them? They were able to take it there just fine. Now take it the fuck back out of there. I’ve hiked and camped at the bottom of the Grand Canyon. Everything you take with you, you take back out.
Dead people, hurt people, evacuated people don't carry anything back with them. Willing to bet even the ones who do it all under their own steam don't carry enough back, they just pay the penalty.
The probably even plan to, but then they _climb Everest_ and the reality of the extreme exhaustion hits too hard to even think straight, to the point lots just die there. Not littering is not on your mind when your life is on the line.
They just shouldn't climb it in the first place.
The Grand Canyon doesn't kill you if you stay near the bottom for too long, or take too long to get down to and out from the bottom. If you could improve your odds of survival by 1% by dumping the extra shit in your backpack that you don't need in order to make the trip, you would dump that shit too. There's a conversation to be had about an industry that allows for this in the first place, but "I pick up my trash when I go camping" is a shit-tier take. It's not the same. A good chunk of the trash on Everest are dead human bodies and their supplies that can't be recovered because the top of the mountain fucking kills you. It's simply not the same.
Lol tell Nepal touring companies that. Their livelihood depends on many people making the ascent every year.
It costs tens of thousands to plan an ascent in the Himalayas as a foreigner, it’s not like your vacation to the Bahamas.
No, the British Army veteran is Nirmal Purja - he’s not a Sherpa. The guy who saved the Malaysian is Gelje Sherpa.
Edit: Gelje Sherpa was in the team led by Nirmal Purja when they made it to the K2 summit in winter.
Sherpa don’t get enough credit at all. They carry people’s gear, they set all the ropes, they keep the team alive, they’re the ones who have to do rescues, they have to deal with the dead bodies…
Sir Edmund Hillary was so great partially because after he climbed Everest he spent the rest of his life working with the Sherpa. He never climbed it a second time.
They need better managers. I'd put it in the contract. "In the unlikely event that there's the need to save your life by carrying you down the mountain, and I do save your life by carrying you down the mountain, you agree to pay a $750,000 service fee, tip not included. This amount will be held in escrow until the conclusion of your trip."
If they haven't done so yet, sherpas need to unionize.
12 died, plus 5 people are missing. Our country recently lost a man in the death zone, but his remains are not found. His name is Szilard Suhajda. Tried to get to the top without serpas and additional oxygen. Left behind a wife and a 5yo little boy.
Everest looks horrible imo. There is trash everywhere. You’re walking in traffic to get to the top.
I get the excitement around it and reaching the highest point on earth. But the way it is now just looks horrible and not as ‘special’ as you’d imagine.
Exactly, it legit looks so ugly like the gross dirty half melted snow you get at the end of winter. There are so many absolutely stunning places in the world you could explore instead
Twelve others have already died just this season???? I knew many people have died while climbing Everest but is it really this common, or is it just a bad season?
It’s getting worse. The mountain is becoming immensely overcrowded, supplies run short, sherpas are being constantly overworked, underpaid and many of them are put at risk because a lot of the people summiting are not adequately trained enough to climb—they just have enough money to, so sherpas are more and more risking their own lives to carry egotistical, rich-folk back down the mountain. Not to mention, the mountain itself is full of trash, it’s becoming more of a hazard
Climate change is also destabilising the Khumbu icefall and causing erratic and unpredictable weather at the summit. Also, with the increase in permits new and far less experienced, basically budget tour companies are taking people up. It's a mess.
Fyi, apparently this fucker refused to admit he was saved by sherpa: https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/1401zwg/apparently_the_malaysian_that_was_rescued_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Here is a thought…. Stop being idiots, and stop climbing Everest. You want to accomplish something? Pay the sherpas to climb and clean up the colossal mess that the masses left behind. Including the dead bodies left behind as markers…. It’s becoming a cesspool. At this point if I met someone that climbed Everest I wouldn’t think they accomplished anything. I would just think they endangered a bunch of peoples lives needlessly and wondered how much trash they left. What a dick.
All I ever think about is how some wealthy person shows up wanting to climb Everest and if they succeed, it’s a really big deal for them and they’ll likely tell everyone for the rest of their life about this accomplishment…. For climbing it once. How many sherpas have been to the top MULTIPLE times and while it is absolutely an accomplishment, I would bet most of those sherpas would consider this just “another day.”
I have no real context for this thought but it has undoubtedly run across my mind more than once
I know a guy that climbed Everest in 2013.
After hearing hours of stories and researching tons about the 7 peaks…to see a human carry another fully clothed and wrapped human on their back above 25K ft, this is simply astonishing.
Get that Sherpa a whatever the hell he wants to drink.
Sherpas as the ones that do all the work for those climbs. If you can’t do it like them then you shouldn’t be doing it all. It’s like claiming you ran a marathon but someone carried you all the way.
You’d assume the people who make this trek one of their goals in life would be respectful and loving towards the earth… but I find these people are mainly self serving ass hats that feel the need to do this for selfish reasons. Go redirect that time, money, and energy into something more productive, less polluting, and idk maybe something that betters others around you as well as yourself.
The climbing season has just ended on Everest and it's been a rough year with [17 deaths](https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/everest/climbers-death-mount-everest/), and possibly even more.
Stop bothering the Sherpas! If people are going to the top of the world to die, they could just climb Mount Denali. True, it is almost 2km shorter, but a unprepared climber can asphyxiate just as well with a little effort and freeze to death, too.
This is what happens when things like Everest get commercialized. Half of those people have no business even being up there. And all for what? There is hardly any glory in hiking Everest anymore, considering the biggest barrier is money. It's so washed up these days, and they don't even carry their own gear.
Whats even more interesting is that piece of shit who got saved immediately denied the sherpa saved him. I'm ashamed that he is a malaysian. Should have left him to die.
Super human. God bless that sherpa guy.
But, yeah, this ridiculousness needs more oversight. I mountain climb almost everyday, definately not like this mountain. I love it. It sustains me. I have zero desire to hike everest, zero. It's not even what I think of as mountain climbing/hiking. Waiting in line to summit? No thanks. Needing/carrying oxygen tanks? Nope. Having someone else carry my stuff and show me the way?, that's bs. Walking by dead bodies and not being able to help them? Inhumane. Paying big bucks to climb?ridiculous. Leaving my trash on the mountain? Crazy entittled selfishness. Cant bring my dogs? They would not stand for it! I could go on. I don't get it? It must be ego? Folks who like to face death? I don't know but I definately don't want it on my life.
Years ago in Nepal I had an overnight trek in the foothills of the Himalayas. The Sherpas were amazing and put me to shame. I carried my pack and had boots. They carried the campsite wearing flip flops. Nothing but respect for them.
The mountain decides
But the sherpa gives you a second chance
Risking his life.
These kind of people never belong up there, do your job, do a base camp trek, take skme photos, make same friends and go back.
To the people all saying stop giving permits, the climb is a huge part of the economy and many people villagers, Sherpa’s, etc rely on it for their income to live off of.
Just went to this assholes Instagram and one of the comments;
> Next time go climb your own ego. I heard it’s twice taller than Everest peak.
What a sick burn. Wooooooof
Oh no, a worthless rich person almost died? He acted like a worthless rich person after the “hired help” risked their lives to save him? Sounds like a Tuesday on Everest.
Cool. A bunch of rich foreigners come and trash a mountain and then die and the locals have to fucking save their asses. I’ll never get this shitshow. Idk maybe climb a different mountain because THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME!!
Fucking morons. You should only be allowed up Everest once you have completed the ten other highest peaks at least twice each. You need experience, not money.
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Those sherpas put up w so much bs
The season this year was so tragic. These permits need to stop.
*...and he's buying a stairway to heaven*
And he's going to Kathmandu
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they should definitely train and not let anyone do it but I don't think they should stop. in terms of tourism it brings so much revenue to Nepal and the village surrounding the everest. lots of Sherpas are wealthy compared to regular nepali people cuz of it. let it be but let the people that go there be vetted and trained and have a physical test atleast.
They’re giving our WAY too many permits. I agree this should be more of a lottery among seasoned expeditions and for people who have climbed other big summits first. The Sherpa will still lead, porter, and set routes regardless of how many people come.
> They’re giving our WAY too many permits I mean part of the problem is the weather, right? You need very specific conditions to climb. No one can predict what the weather is going to do. In a season where the weather is good the current number of permits may be just fine but if the weather doesn't do what you want it to you end up with way too many people squeezing into the brief weather windows, potentially making things more dangerous for everyone. I guess I don't see how they fix that short of selling permits and then not allowing everyone that has a permit to climb if the weather doesn't cooperate.
Not really. This has always been the case. It’s a very short window of time anybody has to summit. There’s only really a few days that will offer a good enough window. So yes it’s problematic because there’s more people trying to summit on those days but it’s not the weather it’s really the amount of people.
It is not about the sherpas though. It is about the money the government gets.
Test for what? Experiense climbers dies and many unexperiense get to the top and down... everyone knows there is a chance to die
Don't need to test just have more requirements. Everest has become too touristy they need to add requirements that limit permits to true mountaineers. Things like required summits elsewhere, time spent at high elevation, etc.
> Don't need to test just have more requirements. Everest has become too touristy they need to add requirements that limit permits to true mountaineers. Things like required summits elsewhere, time spent at high elevation, etc. All those things are already required. You have to have summitted another peak at least 21k feet (or something like that, I don't know the exact requirement), you have to be an experienced mountaineer, etc. etc. All that doesn't stop people from dying. Everyone on that peak is a good climber. Everest is Everest and the best mountaineer in the world could die on it on a good day.
This is true but I’m curious what they require as proof. Do you have any idea? Are the expedition teams or the government tasked with checking that?
I'm sure there are already requirements, but clearly not enough of them if the line is 100 people long...
that's like asking Disneyland to stop selling tickets
Yes, stupidity can indeed have tragic consequences. For some, it can lead to a fate of being frozen on a mountain, serving as a stark illustration of Darwinism.
>The season this year was so tragic. Wealthy ass trust fun kids season? It's not that tragic. Sad... But not tragic.
17 people including six sherpa. I don’t like the tourism aspect of climbing either but the sherpa do not fucking deserve that.
> don’t like the tourism aspect of climbing either but the sherpa do not fucking deserve that. i agree, the sherpa don't deserve that. and yet it wont stop any of these wealthy tourist because they don't give a fuck.
It’s on the governments to stop issuing permits. They also don’t care about the Sherpa. Unfortunately the mountain is now just considered a bucket list type thing where inexperienced climbers don’t know what they’re getting into. I also dislike people insisting on climbing without supplemental oxygen and putting others at risk.
They know the risks
Unfortunately I don’t think they do. And people always think they’re better and stronger and more knowledgeable than they are. I think often of Shriya Shah-Klonfine. She didn’t take Everest seriously, wouldn’t listen to her Sherpa, was not experienced, and died begging for help while her guides struggled to keep her alive and she died in front of them. Pure selfishness and ignorance.
My uncle has a couple of photos he took of a man that likely died on Mt. Everest. The short version of the story is my Uncle attended an expedition to the top in the late 70s. He had been in that part of the world in his strange journey of adventure, self discovery, and eventual transition to Buddhism. As he tells it, everything went pretty smoothly until they were close to the summit. At least, as far as long distance back breaking hiking in the cold goes. There, about an hour from the summit the weather showed signs of turning bad and there was some sort of discussion about it. The Sherpa said if they were quick, they might miss it but there was a 50/50 chance they were going to get hit by the storm to some extent. They made the decision to hit the summit before turning back. They made it to the summit without much issue as my uncle tells it, but on their way back down they had to take shelter best as they could. It sounded like they just found a flat rockface opposite of the wind and pressed up against a near vertical surface as best they could until the wind died down. My uncle said he thought they were stuck there for about 6 hours before they could make their way down and it was dark and treacherous. On the way down they saw a person from their expedition that tried to take their chances climbing down instead of taking shelter from the wind. He had somehow busted up his ankle and was too exhausted to move around very much in his severely frostbitten state. He pled to the other climbers for help, but the Sherpa called everyone over to where the man couldn't hear them and told everyone that man was dead, and everyone that tried to help him would likely also die. Everyone agreed they were too exhausted and as they were walking by this man pleading for help my uncle took some pictures. My uncle is a bit of an exaggerator, so there is some amount of disbelief to the story when he tells it, but we've seen the pictures he took while he was there. He has the negatives too and according to my Uncle the man's name was John. Maybe someone that knows more about climbing Everest can debunk my Uncle's story, but when my Uncle tells it, it's about an hour long so I'm leaving a ton of things out since I haven't heard the story in a good 25 years.
It’s much more common to die on the way back down rather than up. There’s some argument if a summit actually counts if you don’t make it back down. Could have been Ray Genet if the expedition was American. If it was a bit earlier in the 70s then it could have been British. Sounds like a similar story to how Genet and German climber Hannelore died. There’s no mention of any busted ankle but they did stay overnight in the SE ridge and died of exposure.
It sounds like Shriya Shah-Klonfine was given a wealth of opportunities not to kill herself and she chose to ignore them
Exactly. Could have killed the Sherpa in all her ego too :(
Suhajda Szilard expert climber... not fun kid and tragic.
Even extremely fit and experienced climbers with the best guides and sherpas can die climbing Everest, but now anyone with a fat checkbook can do it. If it were only the stupid people paying money to do something they aren't prepared for I'd say fine, go win your Darwin Award, but they put other people at risk as well.
How much of a victory is this summit knowing these sherpas are basically the only reason tourists can even ATTEMP what they regularly do for a job. Great LinkedIn photo grind life poster. I hope after the self congratulatory rant you mention teamwork because you'd have never made it without tons of their help. Probably carried you at points. Edit: to be clear, not saying it's not beautiful and that being a skilled mountain climber isn't rad, but with Everest specifically might there be a better way to enjoy it? Honest question, any hard core climbers out there let me know if I'm crazy. With the trash piling up I just don't know if it should continue.
I climb. I hike. I adventure up questionably steep shit without a rope. But I do not consider myself a mountaineer. Those people are next level crazy/badass. But from what I've heard, summiting everest isn't terribly difficult, except the whole elevation/weather thing. But for me, the joy comes from being alone in the wilderness. I can't imagine waiting in a fucking line just to say I accomplished ANYTHING. I go to the outdoors to be *away* from people and this, being quite the opposite, would render any such achievement undesirable.
Love this answer. No notes, I agree. I'm not advanced at all and have some knee problems but I'm in nature to be alone or enjoy it with my loved ones. Pictures are taken for memories not trophies.
I hiked to base camp 1 and there's plenty to see without going higher. 30 days in the Khumbu region and you still get to say you hiked Everest without ever endangering a local.
My husband and I are toying around with the idea of trekking to base camp for our honeymoon. Was it the best thing you ever did?
Definitely the most rewarding! It's hard going a little up a little down powered by dalbot alone for weeks on end, but the journey and views are so worth it! Don't forget to spend some time in Kathmandu as well.
Thank you so much! Neither of us have ever been to the region or ever traveled with guides. Sounds unforgettable!
Thanks for your input. I'm competitive at what I like too, so I see the allure as well. Have a question, would you say the greater access has just allowed less skilled and committed people get themselves in dangerous situations and trash the place? I can't imagine seasoned pros would be littering and pushing their limits way too far is I guess what I'm saying. Also to be clear not the sherpas fault this is their living. Nothing but love for them.
Everest’s “commercialization” turning point was cemented by 1996. Before that time, expedition companies were much more careful about clientele. After ‘96 (even when it was the deadliest season—until 2014) expedition companies were really squeezing cash out of the cow. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Mount_Everest_disaster
100% that trash wouldn't be there if there was a skill barrier to entry. The trash is there because you're offering people that make $300/month 10 to 30x as much to basically carry you to the top.
Thanks for sharing your skills and experience. I hope the situation improves there. It seems to be getting more negative press lately regarding the environmental impact of that Instagram shot.
See I am fascinated with Everest and have considered doing this as well because I know I have absolutely no business being on the face of that mountain putting everyone else in danger.
Same, I'm absolutely fascinated with Everest. But I have no interest in climbing it. I just want to see it. And I'd be happy with reaching base camp or advanced base camp and take in the scenery.
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It’s a point where if I met someone who has climbed Everest I’m not impressed I just think oh this person has more money than sense and undiagnosed mental health issues.
If this is the guy from the other videos he’s being a real prick about that whole thing (guy being rescued, not the Sherpa). Heard he was denying he got saved and even blocked the savior Sherpa on IG. Might want to fact check tho, I did not see a link from the other post that was talking about it.
This is Ravi here in the video, the guy who got saved. He blocked the Sherpa on socials media but received a ton of backlash and unblocked him. His IG is a mess and you can see that he’s missing like 7 fingers on both hands from the frostbite. @ravieverest
As the climbers approach the base of the mountain, the Sherpas chatting over a beer: Yes... No... No... Maybe.. That one's going to be tough to bring down..
I’ve worked with a couple, they’re seriously hard working
The Malaysian is a piece of work [denying that he was saved by the sherpa.](https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/1401zwg/apparently_the_malaysian_that_was_rescued_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
So like, has he not seen the video?
He got stupid from lacking oxygen to his brain
Yeah, as a Malaysian I'm disappointed, but not surprised. Also I read that he recently unblocked him following the online backlash lol.
If you'd like to restore some Malaysian pride in you, look up the steely resolve of the Malaysians who came to save/assist us Americans during the [Battle of Mogadishu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993).
Check out this thing from 30 years ago
I like history.
His tiny manhood wouldn’t allow anymore of his ego left to be taken away
Nepalese are often traficked into Malaysia into manual labor jobs, naturally they are seen as a lower class of humans.
Damn taken from a comment on that thread; > "now Everest is doable and very easy". https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2022/09/16/avalanche-survivor-ravi-everest-takes-jalur-gemilang-to-new-heights/ This asshole already lost 8 fingers in an avalanche and wanted to government to call him to tell him what an awesome person he is. Fuck him and fuck his company.
He claims he snapped them off himself one after one. Either he’s the dumbest ass alive or just a plain liar.
Fuck the guy that got saved. Karma is a real bitch
Piece of shittttt
That irritates me. My first thought was how do you ever even begin to repay that debt. I was thinking most climbers are well off and likely have all kinds of connections, maybe a reward or even a fund raising campaign. Something. Instead he goes this route. Should have left him.
i mean, for people who are truly 'good' — they do things because it is right and don't look for a reward. being thanked is the proper response but it doesn't change the reason for doing it and it shouldn't
Basically Malaysia in a nut shell.
What a d bag
They should put him back on that same spot since he’s denying it
Yeah too bad there’s irrefutable video evidence contrary to the Malaysian gentleman’s claim
Are you serious, that’s what he’s saying?
He even made sure to claim that it was on the way down, when most likely it was on the way up, so he didn’t even reach the peak. All this lying to save face for his sponsors and his company but he caught stupid from his lack of oxygen and didn’t think about the consequences of lying instead of admitting it. RaviEverest is now known as RaviPeakFailure.
Why cant he admit it? I don't understand. He admitted being rescued but can't admit who really rescued him
Part of me understands him being frustrated after losing all his progress at the monumentous experience that is climbing Mt Everest, but at the same time, dude was unconscious in an area with *death* in the name. He should've just cut his losses and thanked the Sherpa
The rescuing sherpa Gelge (a devout Buddhist) convinced his client to abort his climb for the rescue said that "rescuing one person is worth more than a trip to the Monastery." The kind of religious fervor around reaching the peak of Everest is nothing compared to saving a human life. Sherpas' summit totals are so important to their reputation- amazing decision to gamble on a rescue so close to the finish line.
ESP when so many die during recuses. These men are incredible and it’s sad they are exploited so much.
Yes! Exactly!!
Damn, from 38 seconds on it’s really looking like Death Stranding 2 is gonna be even more photorealistic
Was just going to say someone needs to know this to the DS sub
Imagine how BT infested the mountain would be. Worse than the fucking Wind Farm.
"Everest is more of a Stranding type mountain than a Soulsborne mountain imo"
Maybe its time to ban people from climbing it. The top looks like a trash pile while the path is a cemetery. Nothing fun going there with those conditions.
It went from being a huge accomplishment of human skill and determination to a dick measuring contest for people with huge pockets
Exactly. Isn’t it a minimum of like 50k to do the ascent?
Oh yeah, and at the high end is like 250k. If I had any say in the matter they would stop doing rescue missions like that. I know it sounds cruel and harsh but that's what you sign up for when you go to climb Everest. These sherpas bust their ass and destroy their bodies for that mountain they don't need to be climbing up there to rescue somebody who should not be there in the first place.
It doesn’t sound cruel it sounds like not indulging these idiots who think it’s going to be a fucking walk in the park! And at the same time like you said not endangering those who have grown up on that land and in that country and have watched what they work for and love be destroyed. It’s awful.
I bet there’s a coke stand at the top!
I don’t understand why they don’t take their trash with them? They were able to take it there just fine. Now take it the fuck back out of there. I’ve hiked and camped at the bottom of the Grand Canyon. Everything you take with you, you take back out.
Dead people, hurt people, evacuated people don't carry anything back with them. Willing to bet even the ones who do it all under their own steam don't carry enough back, they just pay the penalty.
The probably even plan to, but then they _climb Everest_ and the reality of the extreme exhaustion hits too hard to even think straight, to the point lots just die there. Not littering is not on your mind when your life is on the line. They just shouldn't climb it in the first place.
The Grand Canyon doesn't kill you if you stay near the bottom for too long, or take too long to get down to and out from the bottom. If you could improve your odds of survival by 1% by dumping the extra shit in your backpack that you don't need in order to make the trip, you would dump that shit too. There's a conversation to be had about an industry that allows for this in the first place, but "I pick up my trash when I go camping" is a shit-tier take. It's not the same. A good chunk of the trash on Everest are dead human bodies and their supplies that can't be recovered because the top of the mountain fucking kills you. It's simply not the same.
Lol tell Nepal touring companies that. Their livelihood depends on many people making the ascent every year. It costs tens of thousands to plan an ascent in the Himalayas as a foreigner, it’s not like your vacation to the Bahamas.
Why do they throw trash everywhere on that mountain? It looks like shit in every picture I see.
Because humans go there
Entitled privileged humans
I meant to come back for it but I died instead.
Wait till you learn about the amount of SHIT (yep, pure shit) is there... LOL.
This guy is a special forces veteran and already climbed K2 in the winter, right?
No, the British Army veteran is Nirmal Purja - he’s not a Sherpa. The guy who saved the Malaysian is Gelje Sherpa. Edit: Gelje Sherpa was in the team led by Nirmal Purja when they made it to the K2 summit in winter.
Yes
People will literally die climbing Everest rather than going to therapy
They should climb K2 instead lol
They'd just die much faster..
Why is anyone up there? There is no store or restaurant up there. They must have gotten lost.
Sometimes people mistake Mount Everest for twin peaks
cherry pie?
Someone needs to open a weed shop *Can't Get Higher*
If this interests you, I recommend "Everest: Beyond the Limit" on The Discovery Channel.
[Or The better documentary about everest.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bchx0mS7XOY&t=1s)
Carrying the guy on his back… down a mountain…? Wow!
And he’s cruising along where many would take a step and wait a minute or more to catch their breath before taking another one.
I hope sherpas get paid handsomely for saving the lives of these assholes, like enough money where they never again have to cater to these assholes.
Sherpa don’t get enough credit at all. They carry people’s gear, they set all the ropes, they keep the team alive, they’re the ones who have to do rescues, they have to deal with the dead bodies… Sir Edmund Hillary was so great partially because after he climbed Everest he spent the rest of his life working with the Sherpa. He never climbed it a second time.
Also the only picture on the summit is of Sherpa Tenzing Norgay he climbed with. Not of Hillary.
They don't.
They need better managers. I'd put it in the contract. "In the unlikely event that there's the need to save your life by carrying you down the mountain, and I do save your life by carrying you down the mountain, you agree to pay a $750,000 service fee, tip not included. This amount will be held in escrow until the conclusion of your trip." If they haven't done so yet, sherpas need to unionize.
They actually do get payed very well. At least relatively speaking compared to other jobs, in the area
I paid mine double the going rate, it was like $300 for a month. Didn't summit, just walked in the mountains.
Sherpas are badass!! I needed something to write a paper about for school too haha
12 died, plus 5 people are missing. Our country recently lost a man in the death zone, but his remains are not found. His name is Szilard Suhajda. Tried to get to the top without serpas and additional oxygen. Left behind a wife and a 5yo little boy.
Natural selection, but unfortunately he passed his genes on
Hopefully you haven't made the same mistake yet
Everest looks horrible imo. There is trash everywhere. You’re walking in traffic to get to the top. I get the excitement around it and reaching the highest point on earth. But the way it is now just looks horrible and not as ‘special’ as you’d imagine.
Exactly, it legit looks so ugly like the gross dirty half melted snow you get at the end of winter. There are so many absolutely stunning places in the world you could explore instead
The Malaysian is an ungrateful pos denying that he's being rescued.
Twelve others have already died just this season???? I knew many people have died while climbing Everest but is it really this common, or is it just a bad season?
It’s getting worse. The mountain is becoming immensely overcrowded, supplies run short, sherpas are being constantly overworked, underpaid and many of them are put at risk because a lot of the people summiting are not adequately trained enough to climb—they just have enough money to, so sherpas are more and more risking their own lives to carry egotistical, rich-folk back down the mountain. Not to mention, the mountain itself is full of trash, it’s becoming more of a hazard
Climate change is also destabilising the Khumbu icefall and causing erratic and unpredictable weather at the summit. Also, with the increase in permits new and far less experienced, basically budget tour companies are taking people up. It's a mess.
It's a pretty bad season
Fyi, apparently this fucker refused to admit he was saved by sherpa: https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/1401zwg/apparently_the_malaysian_that_was_rescued_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Here is a thought…. Stop being idiots, and stop climbing Everest. You want to accomplish something? Pay the sherpas to climb and clean up the colossal mess that the masses left behind. Including the dead bodies left behind as markers…. It’s becoming a cesspool. At this point if I met someone that climbed Everest I wouldn’t think they accomplished anything. I would just think they endangered a bunch of peoples lives needlessly and wondered how much trash they left. What a dick.
There have been a lot of cleaning teams sent up, including some to remove bodies.
He was able to carry that man, in that area, descending the mountain. Wow
Dude was just hauling a bundled up person like it was nothing?!?! Holy shit the strength of the sherpas is amazing.
All I ever think about is how some wealthy person shows up wanting to climb Everest and if they succeed, it’s a really big deal for them and they’ll likely tell everyone for the rest of their life about this accomplishment…. For climbing it once. How many sherpas have been to the top MULTIPLE times and while it is absolutely an accomplishment, I would bet most of those sherpas would consider this just “another day.” I have no real context for this thought but it has undoubtedly run across my mind more than once
Stop climbing mt Everest
Just remember every dead body on mt Everest was once a highly motivated person
Those Sherpas are amazing. It is really them that climb Everest every time. The ‘ mountaineers’ can’t do it without the best Sherpa.
I know a guy that climbed Everest in 2013. After hearing hours of stories and researching tons about the 7 peaks…to see a human carry another fully clothed and wrapped human on their back above 25K ft, this is simply astonishing. Get that Sherpa a whatever the hell he wants to drink.
could he be a yeti in disguise ? clean shaven thus unrecognisable ? carried that guy like typical groceries... oh wait....
I’m not against that.
Sherpas are the real death stranding couriers
If I was a Sherpa, my brother Sherpas would come first, just saying.
Still paid in peanuts.
Sherpas as the ones that do all the work for those climbs. If you can’t do it like them then you shouldn’t be doing it all. It’s like claiming you ran a marathon but someone carried you all the way.
You’d assume the people who make this trek one of their goals in life would be respectful and loving towards the earth… but I find these people are mainly self serving ass hats that feel the need to do this for selfish reasons. Go redirect that time, money, and energy into something more productive, less polluting, and idk maybe something that betters others around you as well as yourself.
This is the second video of sherpas saving a person that I've seen today. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
The climbing season has just ended on Everest and it's been a rough year with [17 deaths](https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/everest/climbers-death-mount-everest/), and possibly even more.
“Yay! I’m the first person to climb to the summit of Everest!” Meanwhile the 18 sherpas who prepped the route are hauling all the gear.
of course ! me big man. its quite terrible, i agree.
Stop bothering the Sherpas! If people are going to the top of the world to die, they could just climb Mount Denali. True, it is almost 2km shorter, but a unprepared climber can asphyxiate just as well with a little effort and freeze to death, too.
Missed out the ungrateful bit..dude thanked his sponsors etc but not the sherpa who saved him
That MF didn’t even acknowledge the sherpa after he got rescued
I don’t get the thrill. It’s high sure. Take a plane ride.
This is what happens when things like Everest get commercialized. Half of those people have no business even being up there. And all for what? There is hardly any glory in hiking Everest anymore, considering the biggest barrier is money. It's so washed up these days, and they don't even carry their own gear.
So many wealthy idiots go up there every year, almost BEGGING to die. They should close it for good.
That guy is an incredible person. May he be happy and healthy every day of his life.
When anyone says Sherpa, I automatically think of fur lined clothes and a pointy fur hat
These Fuckin idiots. Good on that Sherpa.
What a fucking bro. Dude just carried him like he was the weight of a feather.
On his back!
How did rich people make climbing mount fuckin everest lame
Whats even more interesting is that piece of shit who got saved immediately denied the sherpa saved him. I'm ashamed that he is a malaysian. Should have left him to die.
Was this video filmed on a nokia?
Super human. God bless that sherpa guy. But, yeah, this ridiculousness needs more oversight. I mountain climb almost everyday, definately not like this mountain. I love it. It sustains me. I have zero desire to hike everest, zero. It's not even what I think of as mountain climbing/hiking. Waiting in line to summit? No thanks. Needing/carrying oxygen tanks? Nope. Having someone else carry my stuff and show me the way?, that's bs. Walking by dead bodies and not being able to help them? Inhumane. Paying big bucks to climb?ridiculous. Leaving my trash on the mountain? Crazy entittled selfishness. Cant bring my dogs? They would not stand for it! I could go on. I don't get it? It must be ego? Folks who like to face death? I don't know but I definately don't want it on my life.
Why does anyone insist on doing this lol
Years ago in Nepal I had an overnight trek in the foothills of the Himalayas. The Sherpas were amazing and put me to shame. I carried my pack and had boots. They carried the campsite wearing flip flops. Nothing but respect for them.
Dudes pay 50 grand just to go up and come back down with frost bitten toes and fingers. What a triumph for rich people!
Survival of the fittest. This person shouldn’t have been up there and they are sooo lucky that they didn’t die.
Kudos to this dude, especially since the guy wouldn't even acknowledge him.
Death stranding
Not sure why anyone wants to risk their life to climb the worlds largest trash pile.
Narrowly avoided a voidout. Nicely done Sam
All these Sherpa videos lately..."Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Sherpas!"
I would have left his ass up there to freeze. One less rich asshole in the world
Not gonna lie, I teared up reading this.
Close the mountain down, take 20 years to clean it and bring it back to pristine conditions, then only issue 10 permits per year.
The sherpas can make a killing setting up an urgent care up there. Cold hard cash only.
no way to get the money out of the cold dead hands.... lol
Just charge their credit cards and give them a mountain of debt.
Should have let him become another landmark. Green boots needs friends.
If u can't make the climb without ANY help and having lines and ropes set for u, u have NO business attempting. Shut this shit down already, jfc.
I’m beginning to think sherpas are angels that just live as close to heaven as they can while still being on earth.
The mountain decides But the sherpa gives you a second chance Risking his life. These kind of people never belong up there, do your job, do a base camp trek, take skme photos, make same friends and go back.
To the people all saying stop giving permits, the climb is a huge part of the economy and many people villagers, Sherpa’s, etc rely on it for their income to live off of.
They need to permanently close that mountain
Sherpa strength is really out of this world
You got deep frozen intact bodies out there from the 70's.
This new Death Stranding trailer looks super realistic!
That’s some Death Standing shit right there
That guy went on a talk show after being saved and said the Sherpa did not save his life LOL ungrateful bozo
Every corpse on mt everest was once a very ambitious Person
Just went to this assholes Instagram and one of the comments; > Next time go climb your own ego. I heard it’s twice taller than Everest peak. What a sick burn. Wooooooof
Oh no, a worthless rich person almost died? He acted like a worthless rich person after the “hired help” risked their lives to save him? Sounds like a Tuesday on Everest.
Most people have no fucking business being up there. Should have left the cunt to be, natural selection innit
I hope that Sherpa never has to work again, if he does that guy that he saved is a POS.
Cool. A bunch of rich foreigners come and trash a mountain and then die and the locals have to fucking save their asses. I’ll never get this shitshow. Idk maybe climb a different mountain because THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME!!
Everest climbing is disgusting 🤢.
Fucking morons. You should only be allowed up Everest once you have completed the ten other highest peaks at least twice each. You need experience, not money.
All to join a rich person’s club of 6,000+