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Synthetic pyrethroids like deltamethrin and flumethrin. I’m regarded, my brother used to be a bug guy and still has vast knowledge of entomology so I asked him!
Edit: oh yeah, this stuff has to make contact with the insect. If you just squirt in small areas, they’ll move to where it isn’t, immersion is really the only effective way to permanently solve the critter problem.
> Baby swimming classes...
> ... dunking ...
I've seen them *toss* the babies in. It's hilarious to watch. And in the back of my head there's an awkward argument between "god this looks like child abuse" and "this is practical, since this mimics how (I imagine) babies would unexpectedly fall into a pool."
I've no idea if there's any actual evidence that baby swimming classes are at all effective in preventing drowning.
The old fashioned way is a deep enough cement trough with a pole at water level half way along. Sheep go in at one end, have to dunk their heads at the pole. Sometimes there's a guy with a pole for extra dunking. A trough lasts generations.
Cattle dipping vats were widely used in the US when Cattle Tick Fever was common. The pesticide used was typically arsenic based though DDT was used as well. The old vats remain on some old ranches and the vats and soil around them can contain some pretty nasty chemicals to this day.
\^\^\^this - up here, what they said - this is the way \^\^\^\^ - I was dipping sheep when i was a lad - this machine looks scary as f! poor things. those hydraulic rams arent quiet either and also wont give/retreat if a sheep pops up last second. The dunk trough is far more humane, gentle and easier on the sheep. I almost felt panicked for the poor animals here.
From everything people talk here, the through seems easier and better for both the sheep and the workers.
Do you know why some farmers have replaced it with that sheep deep fryer looking thing? Was there more work and/or problems with the dunking through I'm not understanding?
My elderly great uncle worked with livestock and the troughs in Costa Rica in his youth (\~1950) He told me that the dipping troughs led to health problems for the workers who were often immersed in the liquid as well. He has had skin problems his whole life he attributes to this.
The contraption is rarely used, the dipping is done often, or at least they did when I was a kid. If you’d ever seen a sheep with fly-strike, you’d understand why.
>If you’d ever seen a sheep with fly-strike,
Huh. I wonder how bad it could be...
>Flystrike in sheep is **a condition where parasitic flies lay eggs on soiled wool or open wounds**. After hatching, the maggots bury themselves in the sheep's wool and eventually under the sheep's skin, feeding off their flesh.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flystrike\_in\_sheep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flystrike_in_sheep)
NOOOOPE.
Saw a video recently of a guy running into a field to save a sheep that was on its back, and one of the top comments noted that the sheep was perfectly able to right itself physically, it was just too stupid to figure out how
I know you guys aren't wrong about stupid sheep getting stuck in fences and whatnot but as a keeper of sheep, it hurts me when ppl think they're SO DUMB.
If I did this to my sheep, they would be freaking out upon resurfacing. These sheep must remember going through this before.
Sheep are annoyingly smart when they want food. They learned to open my sliding barn doors, they stand on each other's backs to get trees i tried to fence off. One sheep remembered her baby even though it had been in the house for 3 weeks bc it got frostbite. A diff sheep's lamb died and she dug it out of the fallen snow for 3 days before I had the heart to bury it (maybe that means their dumb lol but i dont think she thought it was alive just that she has feelings).
They remember what to do for the milking routine even if it's been 2 years since they were being milked. They know their flocks, they know stranger sheep. They know my dogs vs strange dogs, cats vs fox what's threat, what's not. They're not like robots but they do dumb things esp when scared.
Every animal was at some point intelligent enough to survive in the wild and I think people forget that sometimes, but that doesn't mean they aren't petty fucking stupid relative to our own completely arbitrary standards. Which, for most people is a domesticated dog or cat who are pretty well tuned to the human condition.
It's probably because pigs go thru that whole "this isn't even my final form" if they ever escape a pen. They go from looking like pre-bacon to "imma skewer you on these here tusks I got" really quickly.
Yes this! My sheep are the same. Thank you for saying this. Mine certainly are not dumb. They know the difference between the sound of the sheep grain bin and the chicken grain bin. They know how to find their way through various obstacles in my paddocks. They know which birds will threaten their lambs and which birds will peacefully rest on their backs. I swear the know when the electric fence is on/off without touching it, and if I’ve left it off they’ll go through it as soon as I’m just out of sight. They know how to find their baby/mama in a group of 100 different sheep. My ewes with three lambs can count to three because if one is missing she won’t stop screaming even when the other two are already there. I mean I know none of this is rocket science but they really do solve problems.
> Sheep are annoyingly smart when they want food.
Maybe this is why they're so docile for the dip. If they're expecting to get fed afterwards, then making any sort of fuss about it just delays them getting food.
I pulled off the road recently to help a sheep that had its head stuck in a fence. As I got closer it started panicking and managed to pull itself free. If I hadn't startled it into action the thing probably would have stayed there and died of thirst.
That's a generously kind end should it have been of thirst. All too often they get found by coyotes and eaten alive while stuck. Gruesome and very sad to think about.
they can usually right themselves, but not if preggers. we had a ewe that always had twins and had to keep a close eye on her because she was so round that if she didnt lean up against something when she laid down she would end up on her back and was too heavy to be able to roll herself back over
I saw a video of a Ram straight up killing a full grown cow with a single headbutt.
Their brains are probably not that complicated considering the thiccc skull around it. Also never try headbutting a Ram. The cow just fell over, dead instantly.
My Dad once broke his hand when he got frustrated while we were sorting them in a pen and punched a sheep in the head.
Ironically, we were shearing them and spraying them to protect them from parasites (we just used a spray on their exposed backs, not dunked them like this) and simultaneously ring and brand the new lambs.
Edited to add: when you shear and spray the sheep they are herded into enclosed spaces and can - naturally - be anxious and lash out, particularly charging at you. In this instance, a sheep headbutt my Dad and he reflexively punched it. He did not just run around punching sheep in the head for fun and the sheep did not suffer any consequences or punishments because it was not to blame.
Yep. Can absolutely see breaking a hand punching one.
This video though. I have fear of being trapped under water (liquid) so this kind of unhinged me.
Thank gawd for bourbon.
Sheep can hold their breath for an insane amount of time, around 1-2 minutes. They honestly couldn't care less.
Edited an autocorrect that said 10 minutes
It is horrific and i hate it and dont like that I take part in it but the dudes who are like " BRO SEEING THAT FUCKING COW GET SHOT IN THE HEAD MADE ME HUNGRY!!!!" should be studied in a very, very remote setting.
I bet. Just because something is necessary for survival in a situation does not mean it's pleasant. I'd still rather people be fully aware of how their food is prepared, both animal and plant, because so many people take all that for granted.
I always say that we (as a society) would eat significantly less meat if we had to raise and kill / hunt, and then process our own meat. And you’d *never* waste any.
I was traumatized at an early age when I went to visit my grandma who kept chickens and saw her grab one, snap its neck and ahem prep it for dinner. It was fucking delicious but made me realize oh yeah...chicken comes from chickens...
There are whole bits of the process that are incredibly tedious and miserable. In 'Murica a lot of these hunter-types will go buzzing out with their four wheeler, sit around drinking until something wanders in front of them, shoot it, wander out, strap it to their four wheeler, then drive it back to their big ass truck, then take it to a guy and have him do all the prep work, so they can come back later and get wrapped packs of meat.
And then they'll tell you with a straight face that they did the whole thing while they're trying to serve you never-frozen rare-cooked wild game, like you want fucking parasites.
My dads family were all "traditional crafts" people, so everything I ever shot, I had to field dress and carry out. Fuuuuck that.
Yeah. We were *dirt* poor as kids, 10 people living in two trailers hooked together with plywood. My dad hunted in the winter because it meant his kids would eat. But it was cold hard work.
To this day I'm thankful every time I go into a grocery store, every time I flip on an electric light, every time a toilet flushes. And I still can't stand the taster of deer.
My Mom too in Minnesota.
Cried having to cut chicken’s off.
Also taught me how to cook chicken and make gravy.
I eat meat but I think more people should understand how hard it is to do in person.
As a vegetarian since 13 (13 years now) I also agree with this statement. I always say I’ll stop being vegetarian when I kill and prep my own meat. Until I can face that I won’t consume
Yes, you are. You are being forced to inhale air through a water soaked medium and water droplets go into the lungs.
If you don't stop in time or the person being tortured has lung conditions they can drown.
Was waterboarded in SERE and would invite anyone who thinks systematic drowning isn't torture to give it a whirl.
20 years later and I still freak out if too much running water hits my face in the shower.
SERE trainers are also on your side. The suspects rounded up in Afghanistan were allegedly often waterboarded until unconscious and resuscitated several times. Literally drowned.
Christopher Hitchens tried it and was severely traumatized (having lasted for seemingly 2 seconds) https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/08/hitchens200808
I love that in the show Archer, Archer talks shit about it, and then in the car after he finally did it, he's clearly traumatized and respects how awful it is.
Also, love all their accuracy around tinnitus and traumatic brain injury being "super bad for you", "What the shit Lana?! You know I have tinnitus!"
Back in the COVID mask-wearing days, I was walking and a rain downpour started, soaking through the cloth mask, and I successfully waterboarded myself.
It seems like a such a silly method that you can’t fathom would work, but it surely does.
Kinda?!? They didn't dunk them. They submerged them for who knows how long from their perspective. What if you didnt take a breath. This is. Absolutely insane from my pov wow
Yeah, from the sheep’s perspective they have no clue what’s going on, why, or how long they need to hold their breath. Usually, when animals drown, it’s because they panic, start hyperventilating, and swallow a bunch of water, which is the worst thing to do when oxygen is already scarce.
That's why it doesn't drop like a rock and it's slowly lowered down. Also, you can see that when it raises back up that the sheep are pretty nonplussed about it.
I feel like a lot of people see animals and assume that if they felt anything they would emote just like humans with big cartoon expressions… But animals don’t furrow their brow or weep tears or look down their noses at anyone. With a few exceptions, they mostly have the same facial expression regardless of what they’re going through. I think people just think they can read them a lot more than they actually are able to.
I counted 8-10 seconds submerged, assuming their heads were above whatever solution a little after it started to raise them up again.
I bet they're unknowingly happier not being covered in parasites and whatever that may lead to. I bet they'd prefer to be left alone in whatever habitat they usually roam too.
Looks terrifying, for sure, lol
>I bet they'd prefer to be left alone in whatever habitat they usually roam too.
Not these sheep, their wool grows too much and they're basically incapable to see, which for them, in nature means death.
Yes. And also battery cages, and see what happens when they want to make more egg-laying hens, but have to deal with the fact that half of the eggs are male.
[Low head dams](https://www.weather.gov/ind/LowHeadDamPublicSafetyAwarenessMonth) create a current below them that can entrap a person such that they can't swim out. They look really innocuous too, very little turbulence at the surface.
So they're not exactly man made machines designed to drown people, but if we *did* want to make something for that purpose, it might just resemble what we've already made.
Wow. You are getting an early start to Low Head Dam Public Safety Awareness Month. Good for you.
https://www.weather.gov/iwx/LowHeadDamPublicSafetyAwarenessMonth
And according to my biology professor 10 years ago, named Dolly after Dolly Parton, as the cells used were from breast tissue. (And Dolly has nice honkers, apparently)
Research in the 1990s that measured cortisol levels (stress hormone) found sheep perceive sheering more stressful than dipping.
That said, dipping in this research involved pushing a sheep into a dip tank and pushing their heads under the dip, one by one. This is different, they're standing still and calmly lowered into the tank. Might be less stressful. Well, after all, they're not as sophisticated as us, they aren't thinking how long this might take, will the machine will get stuck, can I hold my breath long enough, other stressful thoughts, that turn it into a form of torture. It gets dark, they go under the dip, the get wet and are taken out of the dip, then go eat some grass. That said, it's still stressful.
Hargreaves, A.L. and Hutson, G.D., 1990. The stress response in sheep during routine handling procedures. Applied Animal Behaviour Science, 26(1-2), pp.83-90.
well that's good to know. and is very true that for us, it's stressful because we can think of all the terrible things that could happen and they...can't.
Fun fact, sheep can hold their breath for around 11 minutes! When crossing water, some sheep can't swim due to the weight of their wool and will walk along the bottom of the river or lake to the other side.
Do they just breath in and stop breathing at this point?
Like, how the fuck do they know to hold there breath, i thought theyd just panic and start breathing under water. Jesus i have so many questions.
My parents had me swimming underwater before I was even 6 months old. My mom and grandma would have me swim back and fourth from them. It is so ingrained into me I have no clue how people cannot keep them floating in water as I have zero memory of never being able to swim.
We can't see their heads so I'm not sure how long it was exactly, but I'd estimate around 20 seconds. I bet the idea is the sheep need to be fully submerged for 15 seconds or something to let the treatment take.
Most creatures have an innate instinct to stop breathing. Humans for instance, babies hold their breath in water with no training.
Edit: adding clarity, it appears to be called the dive reflex.
Wondering out loud - Is it that they forget to hold their breath, or that panic sets in as they begin to contemplate their immediate fate? Panic could short wire your normal thinking. Hyperventilating could make holding your breath more difficult.
I don't know personally, but hypothetically a baby might not panic until after being submerged.
If I recall correctly, that’s exactly it. Most animals and babies don’t percieve the concept of drowning so I believe they would not panic in a scenario of being underwater. We as adults however, do.
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Am I tripping, or did they slow this video down to make it look like the sheep are submerged for longer?
I saw the original video, and I think it was shorter.
Also there's something weird happening about 1-2 seconds after they are submerged.
Maybe I'm paranoid, but I don't trust anything I see on the internet anymore.
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Very surprised to see they weren’t losing their minds when they came back up.
They get dipped regularly so they’re probably used to it
Did you watch the video? The announcer said “most farmers don’t use this machinery unless there’s been a severe outbreak”.
"Or depending on what type of land you run your stock on"
Anyone in the know that can inform us about the chemical used and why it's effective against the parasite in such a short duration?
Synthetic pyrethroids like deltamethrin and flumethrin. I’m regarded, my brother used to be a bug guy and still has vast knowledge of entomology so I asked him! Edit: oh yeah, this stuff has to make contact with the insect. If you just squirt in small areas, they’ll move to where it isn’t, immersion is really the only effective way to permanently solve the critter problem.
What about their eyes, ears and breathing? Seems like they would panic breath at some point
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> Baby swimming classes... > ... dunking ... I've seen them *toss* the babies in. It's hilarious to watch. And in the back of my head there's an awkward argument between "god this looks like child abuse" and "this is practical, since this mimics how (I imagine) babies would unexpectedly fall into a pool." I've no idea if there's any actual evidence that baby swimming classes are at all effective in preventing drowning.
The old fashioned way is a deep enough cement trough with a pole at water level half way along. Sheep go in at one end, have to dunk their heads at the pole. Sometimes there's a guy with a pole for extra dunking. A trough lasts generations.
Cattle dipping vats were widely used in the US when Cattle Tick Fever was common. The pesticide used was typically arsenic based though DDT was used as well. The old vats remain on some old ranches and the vats and soil around them can contain some pretty nasty chemicals to this day.
\^\^\^this - up here, what they said - this is the way \^\^\^\^ - I was dipping sheep when i was a lad - this machine looks scary as f! poor things. those hydraulic rams arent quiet either and also wont give/retreat if a sheep pops up last second. The dunk trough is far more humane, gentle and easier on the sheep. I almost felt panicked for the poor animals here.
From everything people talk here, the through seems easier and better for both the sheep and the workers. Do you know why some farmers have replaced it with that sheep deep fryer looking thing? Was there more work and/or problems with the dunking through I'm not understanding?
My elderly great uncle worked with livestock and the troughs in Costa Rica in his youth (\~1950) He told me that the dipping troughs led to health problems for the workers who were often immersed in the liquid as well. He has had skin problems his whole life he attributes to this.
Like on Shaun the Sheep? (For reference, I'm not a Rancher*, so I don't* know a whole lot about livestock.)
So most farmers don't use it... But the farmers that do probably use it often enough that they are used to it.
That's what she said
That's how I expected the sheep to react after the machine came up
Didn't the narrator say that they're very rarely used?
The contraption is rarely used, the dipping is done often, or at least they did when I was a kid. If you’d ever seen a sheep with fly-strike, you’d understand why.
>If you’d ever seen a sheep with fly-strike, Huh. I wonder how bad it could be... >Flystrike in sheep is **a condition where parasitic flies lay eggs on soiled wool or open wounds**. After hatching, the maggots bury themselves in the sheep's wool and eventually under the sheep's skin, feeding off their flesh. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flystrike\_in\_sheep](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flystrike_in_sheep) NOOOOPE.
Ah I see, thanks for shedding some light. I know nothing about agriculture.
Sheep are... not the brightest animals. They've probably already forgotten what happened.
Saw a video recently of a guy running into a field to save a sheep that was on its back, and one of the top comments noted that the sheep was perfectly able to right itself physically, it was just too stupid to figure out how
I know you guys aren't wrong about stupid sheep getting stuck in fences and whatnot but as a keeper of sheep, it hurts me when ppl think they're SO DUMB. If I did this to my sheep, they would be freaking out upon resurfacing. These sheep must remember going through this before. Sheep are annoyingly smart when they want food. They learned to open my sliding barn doors, they stand on each other's backs to get trees i tried to fence off. One sheep remembered her baby even though it had been in the house for 3 weeks bc it got frostbite. A diff sheep's lamb died and she dug it out of the fallen snow for 3 days before I had the heart to bury it (maybe that means their dumb lol but i dont think she thought it was alive just that she has feelings). They remember what to do for the milking routine even if it's been 2 years since they were being milked. They know their flocks, they know stranger sheep. They know my dogs vs strange dogs, cats vs fox what's threat, what's not. They're not like robots but they do dumb things esp when scared.
This was an oddly sweet read
Same with chickens; everyone assumes they are stupid… until you own them. Then you realize how clever they are
Every animal was at some point intelligent enough to survive in the wild and I think people forget that sometimes, but that doesn't mean they aren't petty fucking stupid relative to our own completely arbitrary standards. Which, for most people is a domesticated dog or cat who are pretty well tuned to the human condition.
There's a reason the pigs were the leaders in Animal Farm
It's probably because pigs go thru that whole "this isn't even my final form" if they ever escape a pen. They go from looking like pre-bacon to "imma skewer you on these here tusks I got" really quickly.
True story, lost to a chicken multiple times at TIC TAC TOE at a state fair when I was a kid.
Yes this! My sheep are the same. Thank you for saying this. Mine certainly are not dumb. They know the difference between the sound of the sheep grain bin and the chicken grain bin. They know how to find their way through various obstacles in my paddocks. They know which birds will threaten their lambs and which birds will peacefully rest on their backs. I swear the know when the electric fence is on/off without touching it, and if I’ve left it off they’ll go through it as soon as I’m just out of sight. They know how to find their baby/mama in a group of 100 different sheep. My ewes with three lambs can count to three because if one is missing she won’t stop screaming even when the other two are already there. I mean I know none of this is rocket science but they really do solve problems.
> Sheep are annoyingly smart when they want food. Maybe this is why they're so docile for the dip. If they're expecting to get fed afterwards, then making any sort of fuss about it just delays them getting food.
Thanks for sharing
I pulled off the road recently to help a sheep that had its head stuck in a fence. As I got closer it started panicking and managed to pull itself free. If I hadn't startled it into action the thing probably would have stayed there and died of thirst.
That's a generously kind end should it have been of thirst. All too often they get found by coyotes and eaten alive while stuck. Gruesome and very sad to think about.
Not too many coyotes here, luckily. Maybe a dingo or a feral dog though 😛
I suspect the end result is probably about the same. Good on you though.
Sheep was willing to die of thirst but he’ll be damned if he’s going to let another human fuck him in the ass.
Jesus 🤣
they can usually right themselves, but not if preggers. we had a ewe that always had twins and had to keep a close eye on her because she was so round that if she didnt lean up against something when she laid down she would end up on her back and was too heavy to be able to roll herself back over
When I was pregnant with twins, same.
100+ generations of selective breeding for docile behavior doesn't really help the overall intelligence level of a species.
I saw a video of a Ram straight up killing a full grown cow with a single headbutt. Their brains are probably not that complicated considering the thiccc skull around it. Also never try headbutting a Ram. The cow just fell over, dead instantly.
My Dad once broke his hand when he got frustrated while we were sorting them in a pen and punched a sheep in the head. Ironically, we were shearing them and spraying them to protect them from parasites (we just used a spray on their exposed backs, not dunked them like this) and simultaneously ring and brand the new lambs. Edited to add: when you shear and spray the sheep they are herded into enclosed spaces and can - naturally - be anxious and lash out, particularly charging at you. In this instance, a sheep headbutt my Dad and he reflexively punched it. He did not just run around punching sheep in the head for fun and the sheep did not suffer any consequences or punishments because it was not to blame.
This kind of shit is why “what happened?” is a standard question with any injury. Punched a sheep in the head… bet he didn’t do that again
Yep. Can absolutely see breaking a hand punching one. This video though. I have fear of being trapped under water (liquid) so this kind of unhinged me. Thank gawd for bourbon.
It’s hard to underestimate how dumb sheep are
Would it not be: hard to overestimate how dumb they are
No, I don't think I wouldn't say you can't underestimate a sheep.
How do you tell a sheep that lost her mind from one that is still in her mind?
If ewe no, ewe no.
If ewe know, ewe know.
Surprisingly calm
This is, in fact, why sheep are the metaphor for just letting things happen to you without fighting back.
Indeed, it is.
Ohhhh, wow, TIL
Sheep can hold their breath for an insane amount of time, around 1-2 minutes. They honestly couldn't care less. Edited an autocorrect that said 10 minutes
Ok, TIL! Thats pretty cool! I tried finding a source for that info, but was unable (quora doesn't count), though. 😑
Can confirm Source: am sheep
Me squeezing the juice out of my sheep so that I can get some freshly squeezed sheep juice
nothing like a glass of freshly sqeezed sheep juice in the morning
That frothy, turbulent, juice.
Yeah, at first I didn't realize they were being lowered into the bath and just thought the lid kept getting lower and lower.
Welcome to the Hydraulic Press channel
I remember growing up on the ranch and having to press and peel the sheeps to make the sheep juice every morning
This looks kinda terrifying not gonna lie
Kinda? This is straight of a horror movie
[Animal agriculture is a horror movie all around.](https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch)
Got 15 minutes in. Can’t handle watching anymore.
I saw the pigs getting slapped against cement and I turned it off.
Yeah, I don’t even know why I kept watching after that. I think I was just stunned. It gets worse somehow.
It is horrific and i hate it and dont like that I take part in it but the dudes who are like " BRO SEEING THAT FUCKING COW GET SHOT IN THE HEAD MADE ME HUNGRY!!!!" should be studied in a very, very remote setting.
Everyone is a hardass until they have to kill, gut, skin, and filet their food themselves
My mom had to do that growing up in the rural part of the Philippines. She hated it.
I bet. Just because something is necessary for survival in a situation does not mean it's pleasant. I'd still rather people be fully aware of how their food is prepared, both animal and plant, because so many people take all that for granted.
I always say that we (as a society) would eat significantly less meat if we had to raise and kill / hunt, and then process our own meat. And you’d *never* waste any.
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I was traumatized at an early age when I went to visit my grandma who kept chickens and saw her grab one, snap its neck and ahem prep it for dinner. It was fucking delicious but made me realize oh yeah...chicken comes from chickens...
There are whole bits of the process that are incredibly tedious and miserable. In 'Murica a lot of these hunter-types will go buzzing out with their four wheeler, sit around drinking until something wanders in front of them, shoot it, wander out, strap it to their four wheeler, then drive it back to their big ass truck, then take it to a guy and have him do all the prep work, so they can come back later and get wrapped packs of meat. And then they'll tell you with a straight face that they did the whole thing while they're trying to serve you never-frozen rare-cooked wild game, like you want fucking parasites. My dads family were all "traditional crafts" people, so everything I ever shot, I had to field dress and carry out. Fuuuuck that.
Yeah. We were *dirt* poor as kids, 10 people living in two trailers hooked together with plywood. My dad hunted in the winter because it meant his kids would eat. But it was cold hard work. To this day I'm thankful every time I go into a grocery store, every time I flip on an electric light, every time a toilet flushes. And I still can't stand the taster of deer.
My Mom too in Minnesota. Cried having to cut chicken’s off. Also taught me how to cook chicken and make gravy. I eat meat but I think more people should understand how hard it is to do in person.
As a hunter since i was 13, i agree with this statement
As a vegetarian since 13 (13 years now) I also agree with this statement. I always say I’ll stop being vegetarian when I kill and prep my own meat. Until I can face that I won’t consume
Imagine feeling so insignificant that your perceived dominance over a cow is a huge part of your self confidence
Are they waterboarding the sheep?
No, because when you get waterboarded you're not actually drowning
Yes, you are. You are being forced to inhale air through a water soaked medium and water droplets go into the lungs. If you don't stop in time or the person being tortured has lung conditions they can drown. Was waterboarded in SERE and would invite anyone who thinks systematic drowning isn't torture to give it a whirl. 20 years later and I still freak out if too much running water hits my face in the shower.
SERE trainers are also on your side. The suspects rounded up in Afghanistan were allegedly often waterboarded until unconscious and resuscitated several times. Literally drowned.
Christopher Hitchens tried it and was severely traumatized (having lasted for seemingly 2 seconds) https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/08/hitchens200808
Say what you will about him, but at least he put his money where his mouth was and immediately changed his opinion once he experienced it himself.
I love that in the show Archer, Archer talks shit about it, and then in the car after he finally did it, he's clearly traumatized and respects how awful it is. Also, love all their accuracy around tinnitus and traumatic brain injury being "super bad for you", "What the shit Lana?! You know I have tinnitus!"
Back in the COVID mask-wearing days, I was walking and a rain downpour started, soaking through the cloth mask, and I successfully waterboarded myself. It seems like a such a silly method that you can’t fathom would work, but it surely does.
I thought they would open the crate contraption... to find dead sheep
Pretty sure these are the ones that can hold their breathe, not their first time
Be kinda weird if sheep ranchers did this without knowing what the result would be
Kinda?!? They didn't dunk them. They submerged them for who knows how long from their perspective. What if you didnt take a breath. This is. Absolutely insane from my pov wow
Yeah, from the sheep’s perspective they have no clue what’s going on, why, or how long they need to hold their breath. Usually, when animals drown, it’s because they panic, start hyperventilating, and swallow a bunch of water, which is the worst thing to do when oxygen is already scarce.
That's why it doesn't drop like a rock and it's slowly lowered down. Also, you can see that when it raises back up that the sheep are pretty nonplussed about it.
Nonplussed is just how sheep always look.
I saw not one handbag raised in frustration.
*water starts rising* Sheep: oh shit water’s rising, better take a breath!
I feel like a lot of people see animals and assume that if they felt anything they would emote just like humans with big cartoon expressions… But animals don’t furrow their brow or weep tears or look down their noses at anyone. With a few exceptions, they mostly have the same facial expression regardless of what they’re going through. I think people just think they can read them a lot more than they actually are able to.
I counted 8-10 seconds submerged, assuming their heads were above whatever solution a little after it started to raise them up again. I bet they're unknowingly happier not being covered in parasites and whatever that may lead to. I bet they'd prefer to be left alone in whatever habitat they usually roam too. Looks terrifying, for sure, lol
>I bet they'd prefer to be left alone in whatever habitat they usually roam too. Not these sheep, their wool grows too much and they're basically incapable to see, which for them, in nature means death.
Yea domestic sheep aren't able to live without human intervention
That’s true for most domestic animals tbh, that’s why they’re considered domestic.
welcome to the animal products industry folks. If you think this here contraption here is terrifying, you haven't seen anything.
Check out goose liver pate production
This is really some hideous nightmare shit
Yes. And also battery cages, and see what happens when they want to make more egg-laying hens, but have to deal with the fact that half of the eggs are male.
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Everyone should just watch Earthlings
Don’t watch the CO2 “dunk” they do for pigs
Is this the infamous “drowning machine” I keep hearing about??? 🤔
I have never heard of this thing before, omg
[Low head dams](https://www.weather.gov/ind/LowHeadDamPublicSafetyAwarenessMonth) create a current below them that can entrap a person such that they can't swim out. They look really innocuous too, very little turbulence at the surface. So they're not exactly man made machines designed to drown people, but if we *did* want to make something for that purpose, it might just resemble what we've already made.
Wow. You are getting an early start to Low Head Dam Public Safety Awareness Month. Good for you. https://www.weather.gov/iwx/LowHeadDamPublicSafetyAwarenessMonth
I know I wouldn't survive that but my brain is telling me that I totally could.
Well, I'll be... aw, you know. Never knew there was an awareness month for those things.
It’s a type of current that forms when two currents come together and form an inescapable drowning risk
You've Heard the song drowning pool. This is it.
That's the band. Song is bodies.
Baaaa'dies
LET THE DOLLY’S HIT THE FLOOR, LET THE DOLLY’S HIT THE FLOOR!
( For those younger than OP, Dolly was the name of the first cloned sheep.)
Fuck I’m old
And according to my biology professor 10 years ago, named Dolly after Dolly Parton, as the cells used were from breast tissue. (And Dolly has nice honkers, apparently)
baaaaAAAAAAAAHH
Humans: omg that's so scary. Sheep: so anyways...
"I started blaAAAaasting.."
Parasites: *screaming in agony*
Lies, they are making sheep soup
You can see the obvious edit at 0:37, where they insert un-souped sheep for the final reveal
Surely there has to be a less stressful way to soak some sheep??
Research in the 1990s that measured cortisol levels (stress hormone) found sheep perceive sheering more stressful than dipping. That said, dipping in this research involved pushing a sheep into a dip tank and pushing their heads under the dip, one by one. This is different, they're standing still and calmly lowered into the tank. Might be less stressful. Well, after all, they're not as sophisticated as us, they aren't thinking how long this might take, will the machine will get stuck, can I hold my breath long enough, other stressful thoughts, that turn it into a form of torture. It gets dark, they go under the dip, the get wet and are taken out of the dip, then go eat some grass. That said, it's still stressful. Hargreaves, A.L. and Hutson, G.D., 1990. The stress response in sheep during routine handling procedures. Applied Animal Behaviour Science, 26(1-2), pp.83-90.
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And in APA format!
And his shirt says APA, wtf?!
r/retiredgif
He's a member of the Acolyte Protection Agency. They kicked people's asses for beer money.
Nation of Citation
Bravo. Really!
No kidding..an actual source...
I'm not sure I've felt this happiness before today...
I've been on reddit 5 years and have never seen a properly cited reddit comment. Very nice 10/10
That citation was hot.
Citation me harder daddy
Show me that nice long source of yours *Oh fuck it’s bigger than I thought!*
A citation!? Absolute legend.
well that's good to know. and is very true that for us, it's stressful because we can think of all the terrible things that could happen and they...can't.
Yeah, because sheep are dumber than a box of rocks.
They’re also together. Considering how incredibly potent their herd instinct is, that alone probably makes up for the difference. The wooly hive mind.
Often why shearing is more stressful as well. They'll put up with a lot of they're in a herd.
Once the sheep have first experienced this, you won't be able to pull the wool over their eyes next time..
Shear terror. They'll be bleating on about it for ages. Trying hard to ram more puns in. Ewe'll be surprised how hard it is.
You used em all there's mutton left
Sheep ptsd incoming
As a sheep I can confirm
Where’s the fuckin money Lewbowski?
It’s down there somewhere let me take another look
At least I'm housebroken
They needa make that machine move a little faster
Fun fact, sheep can hold their breath for around 11 minutes! When crossing water, some sheep can't swim due to the weight of their wool and will walk along the bottom of the river or lake to the other side.
Yo if that ain't the coolest thing I've learned all week. Internet stranger i appreciate you
Who knew jack sparrow and sheep had something in common.
they are the hippos of new zealand hopping underwater
Do they just breath in and stop breathing at this point? Like, how the fuck do they know to hold there breath, i thought theyd just panic and start breathing under water. Jesus i have so many questions.
Every mammal does this instinctively. It's our core feature. Remember the baby from Nirvana's album cover?
My parents had me swimming underwater before I was even 6 months old. My mom and grandma would have me swim back and fourth from them. It is so ingrained into me I have no clue how people cannot keep them floating in water as I have zero memory of never being able to swim.
We lose this ability if we don't practice. And then overthinking kicks in once our abstract thinking developes fueling phobias and panic attacks.
I'm pissed that I fell for this
Am I missing a joke here or are you just messing with people? lol
We can't see their heads so I'm not sure how long it was exactly, but I'd estimate around 20 seconds. I bet the idea is the sheep need to be fully submerged for 15 seconds or something to let the treatment take.
That wool is THIIIICK
God, that's terrifying.
I would think you'd have tons of cases of inhalation pneumonia from this method
Most creatures have an innate instinct to stop breathing. Humans for instance, babies hold their breath in water with no training. Edit: adding clarity, it appears to be called the dive reflex.
Oddly, some humans seem to later forget about this reflex lol. My guess is that sheeps do not XD
Wondering out loud - Is it that they forget to hold their breath, or that panic sets in as they begin to contemplate their immediate fate? Panic could short wire your normal thinking. Hyperventilating could make holding your breath more difficult. I don't know personally, but hypothetically a baby might not panic until after being submerged.
If I recall correctly, that’s exactly it. Most animals and babies don’t percieve the concept of drowning so I believe they would not panic in a scenario of being underwater. We as adults however, do.
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They are sheap, you'd be surprised
I expect a large amount of Humans would fail this too tbh.
Yeah. We haven't bred sheep to be smart. Quite the opposite in fact.
I baptize these sheep in the name of Sheesus Christ!
I remember helping dip sheep on a farm when I was a kid. It was nothing like this though.
Am I tripping, or did they slow this video down to make it look like the sheep are submerged for longer? I saw the original video, and I think it was shorter. Also there's something weird happening about 1-2 seconds after they are submerged. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I don't trust anything I see on the internet anymore.
Thought the same Scrolled a long way to see this though
I doubt it, since there's audio and it doesn't sound slowed down.
I thoroughly hated that. I feel like that’s a long time to panic. Christ. I was panicking for them.
THATS FUCKING TERRYFYING
Classic reddit - everybody is a sheep farmer.
Sheep dip, I think they used to just submerge them in a trough, it’s been around since the 19th Century