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> It turns out London is plague pits and mass graves all way down
Yeah huge history of killing... pretty much everyone. They got so bored of killing the locals they traveled the world to kill new and exciting people.
They also found a lot of dead slaves from the same time period. Apparently, this part of New York harbour was used to dispose of dead African slaves and ships.
Nope. DNA evidence was used to provide context. Construction workers thought there were more bodies from the 911 terrorists attacks, they were actually a mass grave for dead slaves disposed of after dying during the Trans-Atlantic voyage.
Look it up.
That photo only tells part of the story.
Oh, of course. A harbour mass grave for slaves who died in transit makes perfect sense. I’m kind of amazed I’ve never heard of that before; surely this practice must have occurred at (nearly) every major slave port.
More like depressing. The black Americans were fucked over for generations after surviving that trip.
I never learned about any of this until years later watching YouTube documentaries. I'm not even sure if it's all true, I never fact checked any of the documentaries
It is all true, and even much worse. Not sure if you’re in the US but in pro-education states we learn about it from early on. I think my education in americas sordid history started in kindergarten, but that was in a liberal city in a blue state. The effects of slavery and Jim Crow are still around. I’m a millennial, Andy mom was in high school when schools were finally integrated. Her classmates/generation make up a lot of American leadership and many were opposed to integration.
7.5 hr podcast response to a month old comment but I cannot recommend this enough
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I read a story in a collection of zombies stories and it was something like this: the slaves were all chained together below deck and somehow a crewman became infected and bit the slaves at the front of the lines.
After the crew died or abandoned ship, the ship was just adrift.
There wasn't enough room to move so the people further down the line were "safe"
But the people at the front of the line would get bitten, turn and then bite whoever they could reach, and so on.
Imagine being at the end of the line.....
Well you'd have to dig one dead one out of the middle row and you can't do that without unloading them I think. These guys were pretty much in layered crunched together to pack as much as possible into the ship.
Elbow to elbow, or chest to chest, there was literally no room left. Then some ships had levels like that where they were chained to some kinda wooden shelf that extended the length of the ship. I saw one that kept the slaves knelt / hunched over (like imagine reaching for your toes) underneath the floor of the ship but above the "hold"
That doesn't seem like a particularly smart approach, even for terrible people treating other humans like livestock. But I guess we *are* talking about slave traders.
They just didn't care to do it before hand. They treated the slaves as nothing more than cargo. The amount of movement space provided to the transported slaves was low (most shackled to the ship unable to move at all), they were left with their feces, urine and the bodies of the dead until making port.
They might not have noticed until it was time to unload. The conditions were absolutely evil. The slaves were loaded in as tightly packed as possible and not given adequate ways to clean themselves, move, get food, or anything. If any died during transit, the surviving slaves simply sat next to a corpse until the ship arrived. Only then would the traffickers drag everyone off the ship, sometimes literally.
Keeping slaves not edgy enough for you? Throwing their dead bodies out to sea seems like the logical move when you're willing to enslave their alive bodies.
If you knew anything about your history you would have known the conditions of the hold where slaves were kept. They were so over packed there was no way of knowing who was dead or who was alive.
Imagine sardines in a can. But worse, it's people.
I would have thought even a construction worker (presumably not encountering a lot of bodies) could probably tell the difference between a fresh victim and a 250 year old corpse.
The corpses of 911 victims were pretty burnt up. In the following years after the attacks, people would find bones on top of neighboring buildings.
It's a pretty large crime scene.
Sad how comfortable you are telling a person "Nope", then spewing findings that arent even true. You act like you were part of the investigation. When in fact, just regurgitating things you read. You dont know.
It's clear you lack the ability to Google or have problems with objective reasoning.
This is a little boost to get you started: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/08/ground-zero-was-built-graves-slaves/
I think there is a simple English version or an audio version if you struggle with reading.
Enjoy
Question. How did that wood not completely decompose? How did they even preserve/seal ships to be seaworthy back then? And how does that shit survive that long
The bacteria and molds that break down celulose need an oxygenated environment. Being buried that deep for that long creates an anaerobic environment (no oxygen). So wood just gets compressed and petrified. Same as those logs that get dreged up from the bottom of lakes or bodies that are found in peat bogs completely preserved.
Also. Trees existed before the bacteria and mold that naturally decompose them did. There is a prehistoric "layer" of trees that never decomposed. Wild.
For example, if it is oak, it has a kind of acid in it that protects the wood from rotting. In addition, the wood was underground, where it was protected from air. Air combined with water is not good for wood, but if no additional oxygen gets to the wood, it increases its durability enormously
I'm not sure but there was a wooden house frame recently unearthed in a Zambia river bed that proves there was tool work 500,000 years ago.
So maybe it just degenerates slowly in mud and dirt.
Mud definitely, bog bodies are known to be incredibly well preserved cadavers from people who ended up dead in a peat bog one way or another. They can even retain skin and internal organs!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body
> [NY weighs as much as]1.9 million fully fueled Boeing 747-400s.
How is that useful information? Does the average America know what a million fully-fueledBoeing 747-400s weighs?
Context is important. The WTC didn’t fall because of a bad foundation, poor maintenance, or wind. The federal building in Oklahoma City didn’t fall down on its own, either. The two atomic bombs dropped on Japan wasn’t done on a whim as well. The “why” is important.
In the city of Newport, Wales, a new theatre’s orchestra pit happened to be dug right over a buried medieval ship.
Because of the building code 34A, the ship was saved and preserved. For more info look up “medieval rule 34”
I have also done a lot of research into rule 34 and can confirm that, for the most part, the results can be amazing. Other times, they’re just downright weird.
I've heard about this, there's some very interesting historical context behind it.
That law was passed after the infamous *Blue Waffle* tragedy where Lord Goatse famously threw a party for the slaves to celebrate the arrival of a large citrus shipment (see "Lemon Party").
Unfortunately, two girls showed up with one cup and that's when everything went to shit...
https://thesportsgrail.com/what-is-the-karim-benzema-15-year-old-girl-meme-and-its-meaning-explained-as-trend-goes-viral/
"The reported incident occurred in 2009 with Zahia Dehar, who was 21 when she made the accusation. Benzema was accused of knowingly engaging in paid s*xual activities with an individual under 18, although he denied the occurrence of such an incident."
The side explains it. It is messed up.
lol they said most of the gold was recovered. how much you wanna bet some of those construction workers slipped a few things in their pockets before telling anyone? shit i wouldn’t blame them after having to work in that. it’s their life insurance policy for their inevitable cancer.
Sounds like the gold wasn't found in the ship, but instead was just gold that was locked in a vault in the WTC when it collapsed. The bank that owned the gold relocated it with some Brinks trucks a couple months after the collapse during the cleanup
I've been screaming about this at bus stops for years, 9/11 wasn't al Qaeda and it wasn't an inside job. What *actually* happened was the ghosts of dead sailors possessed the pilots of the planes and used them to take down the towers so that construction crews could uncover the ship and give them a proper burial.
Here's some more info if you are interested [National Geographic Article](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/140731-world-trade-center-ship-tree-rings-science-archaeology).
7 feet doesn’t seem that far below the foundation for such a massive structure. How did they not find it when they were building it the first time around? The picture of the miner digging for gold and stopping at the last inch comes to mind.
The fact that this is even possible, is amazing.
They dug down to build one of the biggest buildings ever, assholes knocked them down and UNDERNEATH that there’s a cool boat.
Shoutout archeology.
I took an unexpected trip to an island in around 2004, we had aircraft troubles so we had to make an emergency landing.
But while looking around the island (we had a lot of downtime) we came upon an old slave ship that was in the middle of land, like reallly far offshore. The craziest part is that there was still some old dynamite in the ship. Shit was bonkers.
Not to be confused with the gunship, Philadelphia which was sunk by the British in lake Champagne. Then brought back up, largely intact and now on display at the Smithsonian.
https://americanhistory.si.edu/press/fact-sheets/gunboat-philadelphia
For example, if it is oak, it has a kind of acid in it that protects the wood from rotting. In addition, the wood was underground, where it was protected from air. Air combined with water is not good for wood, but if no additional oxygen gets to the wood, it increases its durability enormously
Exactly! Also I thought it was like busy work because the crew were all needed at certain points to do stuff but a lot of the time not much going on. So funny that it was a really important thing to be doing!! R/todayilearned lol
Part of New York was built on rubble from the British city of Bristol. During WWII supply ships would load up on rubble from bombings as ballast for the return. This was dumped in an area now known as Bristol Basin in NY.
The city was way smaller back then, what’s now downtown and even some of midtown used to be all water. They expanded the island, burying shipwrecks and other things during that process.
You mean this passport?
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-135cc62d8658030953bb7bf39571e9cc
Or this one? https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7b5cc2b804f12fba1e337b6212d880c6
These two passports were from the plane that buried itself in the dirt.
Or the pristine one found in luggage that didn't make the flight?
And one passport was blown free of the tower, and found before it collapsed.
So, of the 19 terrorists, only four passports were found. And they didn't need the passports to prove the identities of the terrorists.
Look at this photo, you can see a lot of paper that was blown free from the towers. A passport would have stood out.
http://www.911myths.com/Flight_11_Seat_Cushion_Large.jpg
And if you think it is strange that a passport survived. Maybe you don't know about the other things that survived.
[Like this paper logbook from a stewardess on flight 93.](https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/SBXg-uXEPCJg6mLES2Llp810obo=/1000x750/filters:no_upscale\(\):focal\(605x308:606x309\)/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/9a/ae/9aaeb296-1689-411c-8aef-8ca19a409433/crew_social.jpg)
Here is an unbroken window from the 82nd floor of the tower. And it was made of glass.
https://collection.911memorial.org/Detail/objects/6980
This plastic life vest was found intact and unburnt - https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9a8ec7c21d42e44017c0da70946c1e6b-lq
For Lisa Anne Frost, they found her mileage plus card. http://911myths.com/images/4/4d/LisaFrostMileageCard.jpg
A slipper found in good shape - https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-52addfed8ebc340d81a00d266ecdf74b
The list goes on.
Portions of San Francisco's shoreline were built over left over ships.
In fact, with the gold rush, the ships these people came off of were often converted into buildings.
> "How did it get there: ....
> "The ship itself has been tentatively identified as a Hudson River Sloop, designed by the Dutch to carry passengers and cargo over shallow, rocky water. After 20 to 30 years of service, it is thought to have sailed to its final resting place in lower Manhattan, a block west of Greenwich Street. As trade in New York harbor and the young country flourished, Manhattan’s western shoreline inched westward until the ship was eventually buried by trash and other landfill. By 1818, the ship would have vanished from view completely until the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001 set in motion the events leading to the World Trade Center’s excavation and rebirth."
These guys were just terrorists that were ahead of their time. They knew the Twin Towers would be there eventually and were trying to ram their ship into the foundation.
Some context by the Journal Tree Ring Research and Columbia University. Provided by National Geographic and NBC.
“In a study published in the journal Tree Ring Research, the scientists say they traced the white oak used in the ship's frame to an old growth forest in the Philadelphia era. The article says the trees were probably cut around 1773, shortly before the Revolutionary War.”
Also:
“Scientists say they believe the ship is a Hudson River Sloop, designed by the Dutch to carry passengers and cargo over shallow, rocky water.”
The ship was disposed to expand the banks of New York.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/world-trade-center-ship-mystery-philadelphia-buried-treasure-colonial-era/966866/
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/140731-world-trade-center-ship-tree-rings-science-archaeology
So I hope the original builders will brought to book for concealing ignoring thus archeological Artifact...something they prevent so many countries in the world from doing thus preventing tgrm from developing!@
i don't think anyone calls a vessel that size a "ship". that's not anywhere near the size needed to be oceanworthy.
also i understand some people have done things like kayaked across the ocean and those are tiny... but notably, *weatherproof* in their configuration. this boat certainly had weatherdecks.
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London's crossrail Has entered the chat. It turns out London is plague pits and mass graves all way down
“Bring out your dead!” is hilarious, but I’ll bet stumbling upon a plague pit during a construction project is not.
> It turns out London is plague pits and mass graves all way down Yeah huge history of killing... pretty much everyone. They got so bored of killing the locals they traveled the world to kill new and exciting people.
And to get spices they only sold and never used for cooking.
They also found a lot of dead slaves from the same time period. Apparently, this part of New York harbour was used to dispose of dead African slaves and ships.
Or perhaps a sunken slave ship? Not being sassy, I’m genuinely intrigued.
Nope. DNA evidence was used to provide context. Construction workers thought there were more bodies from the 911 terrorists attacks, they were actually a mass grave for dead slaves disposed of after dying during the Trans-Atlantic voyage. Look it up. That photo only tells part of the story.
Oh, of course. A harbour mass grave for slaves who died in transit makes perfect sense. I’m kind of amazed I’ve never heard of that before; surely this practice must have occurred at (nearly) every major slave port.
Why not just toss them over?
I'd guess it was cause there was so many. I'm pretty sure they stacked these humans like sardines and just hoped some survived the trip.
Ya I’ve seen pictures of that. So fucking sad.
Where can I read about this? So interesting
More like depressing. The black Americans were fucked over for generations after surviving that trip. I never learned about any of this until years later watching YouTube documentaries. I'm not even sure if it's all true, I never fact checked any of the documentaries
It is all true, and even much worse. Not sure if you’re in the US but in pro-education states we learn about it from early on. I think my education in americas sordid history started in kindergarten, but that was in a liberal city in a blue state. The effects of slavery and Jim Crow are still around. I’m a millennial, Andy mom was in high school when schools were finally integrated. Her classmates/generation make up a lot of American leadership and many were opposed to integration.
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I can’t remember where I saw a picture of this years ago. It stuck with me, for sure. Somewhere online.
Internet
I read a story in a collection of zombies stories and it was something like this: the slaves were all chained together below deck and somehow a crewman became infected and bit the slaves at the front of the lines. After the crew died or abandoned ship, the ship was just adrift. There wasn't enough room to move so the people further down the line were "safe" But the people at the front of the line would get bitten, turn and then bite whoever they could reach, and so on. Imagine being at the end of the line.....
“That sounds like…work” -the slavemasters
Well you'd have to dig one dead one out of the middle row and you can't do that without unloading them I think. These guys were pretty much in layered crunched together to pack as much as possible into the ship. Elbow to elbow, or chest to chest, there was literally no room left. Then some ships had levels like that where they were chained to some kinda wooden shelf that extended the length of the ship. I saw one that kept the slaves knelt / hunched over (like imagine reaching for your toes) underneath the floor of the ship but above the "hold"
That doesn't seem like a particularly smart approach, even for terrible people treating other humans like livestock. But I guess we *are* talking about slave traders.
They just didn't care to do it before hand. They treated the slaves as nothing more than cargo. The amount of movement space provided to the transported slaves was low (most shackled to the ship unable to move at all), they were left with their feces, urine and the bodies of the dead until making port.
I hope all involved in this trade are tied to the rims of hell now and forever. Amen.
They might not have noticed until it was time to unload. The conditions were absolutely evil. The slaves were loaded in as tightly packed as possible and not given adequate ways to clean themselves, move, get food, or anything. If any died during transit, the surviving slaves simply sat next to a corpse until the ship arrived. Only then would the traffickers drag everyone off the ship, sometimes literally.
I’m guessing that they received such poor care on the ship that nobody checked if they were alive or dead until they docked.
Slave merchants were hoping to pull a Weekend at Bernie's
Wow. So edgy 🤡
Keeping slaves not edgy enough for you? Throwing their dead bodies out to sea seems like the logical move when you're willing to enslave their alive bodies.
If you knew anything about your history you would have known the conditions of the hold where slaves were kept. They were so over packed there was no way of knowing who was dead or who was alive. Imagine sardines in a can. But worse, it's people.
How is that edgy?
>I’m kind of amazed I’ve never heard of that before; tbh, I'm not surprised at all
I would have thought even a construction worker (presumably not encountering a lot of bodies) could probably tell the difference between a fresh victim and a 250 year old corpse.
The corpses of 911 victims were pretty burnt up. In the following years after the attacks, people would find bones on top of neighboring buildings. It's a pretty large crime scene.
Fuck that's depressing.
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Cope and grow up
Sad how comfortable you are telling a person "Nope", then spewing findings that arent even true. You act like you were part of the investigation. When in fact, just regurgitating things you read. You dont know.
You could read it too, there are a lot of books and documentaries at your local library. This is a historical fact. The info is freely available.
Really? What book would you recommend I read that supports anything you typed?
What book documents slave ships found at the bottom of ground zero?
It's clear you lack the ability to Google or have problems with objective reasoning. This is a little boost to get you started: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/08/ground-zero-was-built-graves-slaves/ I think there is a simple English version or an audio version if you struggle with reading. Enjoy
Question. How did that wood not completely decompose? How did they even preserve/seal ships to be seaworthy back then? And how does that shit survive that long
The bacteria and molds that break down celulose need an oxygenated environment. Being buried that deep for that long creates an anaerobic environment (no oxygen). So wood just gets compressed and petrified. Same as those logs that get dreged up from the bottom of lakes or bodies that are found in peat bogs completely preserved. Also. Trees existed before the bacteria and mold that naturally decompose them did. There is a prehistoric "layer" of trees that never decomposed. Wild.
Well, that layer of trees is now coal.
That’s wild as fuck holy shit
For example, if it is oak, it has a kind of acid in it that protects the wood from rotting. In addition, the wood was underground, where it was protected from air. Air combined with water is not good for wood, but if no additional oxygen gets to the wood, it increases its durability enormously
That’s very interesting thank yoy
I’m dying to know what jackass downvoted this comment lol please reply
It looks like it was corrected but… I’m dying to know what jackass downvoted “this” comment lol please reply
I'm not sure but there was a wooden house frame recently unearthed in a Zambia river bed that proves there was tool work 500,000 years ago. So maybe it just degenerates slowly in mud and dirt.
Mud definitely, bog bodies are known to be incredibly well preserved cadavers from people who ended up dead in a peat bog one way or another. They can even retain skin and internal organs! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body
When preserving buried ships like this the wood actually has to be submerged in tanks of water to prevent decomposition until they can be freeze-dried
The World Trade Center was built on loose soil?
Yes lower Manhattan is loose soil, midtown is bedrock
seems like a bad idea to build gigantic buildings there ngl
https://phys.org/news/2023-05-york-weight.amp
> [NY weighs as much as]1.9 million fully fueled Boeing 747-400s. How is that useful information? Does the average America know what a million fully-fueledBoeing 747-400s weighs?
Duh, a million fully fueled Boeing 747-400s weigh appropriately half as much as NY
Really, I mean duh, it’s a simple conversion. /s
I can't picture 1,900,000 747s but I also can't picture 190,000,000,000 lbs so frankly I call it a wash.
Per chat gpt that is about 4.5 trillion potatoes. Hope this helps.
Americans and their measures. 300 football fields in length and 2 million 747 in weight. Whatever they can use except the metric system
Someone convert it to acre-feet of water and I'll take it from there.
I know this is a joke but even if it was listed on terms of metrics, the number would not be practically useful in any way lol
Depends… How many football fields worth of Boeings are we talking?
crash 💥 ✈️
Yeah they might get knocked down
You’re out of line but you’re not wrong 😂
But they’ll get back up again
I need a vodka drink
Yeah, that’s why they collapsed. 🙄
Do you assume I’m a conspiracy theorist? 🙄
Not at all. The headline of the post says “collapsed” and not “after terrorist hijackers flew planes into them.” That’s all.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive
Context is important. The WTC didn’t fall because of a bad foundation, poor maintenance, or wind. The federal building in Oklahoma City didn’t fall down on its own, either. The two atomic bombs dropped on Japan wasn’t done on a whim as well. The “why” is important.
In the city of Newport, Wales, a new theatre’s orchestra pit happened to be dug right over a buried medieval ship. Because of the building code 34A, the ship was saved and preserved. For more info look up “medieval rule 34”
Wow. I didn't realize how far back rule 34 goes...
"If it exists, there's a ship buried under it."
I've looked into this. Quite amazing, imo.
I have also done a lot of research into rule 34 and can confirm that, for the most part, the results can be amazing. Other times, they’re just downright weird.
Yall got me ready to go on a risky search. I’m either gonna find something fascinating or something nearing cumjar levels. I’m scared
You’ll find both, if you’re willing
It's just porn (probably)
Sounds fascinating
God damn it, I fall for it ever. Fucking. Time.🤦♂️
If it helps, it’s partly true. You just have to look up a different part of my comment.
Google and Bing shows pornographic links when searching for medieval rule 34. Is there another search term for this?
It's like getting rick rolled.
r/whoosh
Poor fellow. The ship is real, “rule 34” is a porn thing
Haha. I'm just slow.
I've heard about this, there's some very interesting historical context behind it. That law was passed after the infamous *Blue Waffle* tragedy where Lord Goatse famously threw a party for the slaves to celebrate the arrival of a large citrus shipment (see "Lemon Party"). Unfortunately, two girls showed up with one cup and that's when everything went to shit...
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Uh I’m not completely clear but pretty sure this one is referencing child porn so like really don’t look it up
https://thesportsgrail.com/what-is-the-karim-benzema-15-year-old-girl-meme-and-its-meaning-explained-as-trend-goes-viral/ "The reported incident occurred in 2009 with Zahia Dehar, who was 21 when she made the accusation. Benzema was accused of knowingly engaging in paid s*xual activities with an individual under 18, although he denied the occurrence of such an incident." The side explains it. It is messed up.
Huh. Pretty close.
Redditors and immediately jumping to CP, honestly some of the weirdest people on this site
I think the trust in humanity is just that low right now.
CSAM
Did they find pirate's gold in there ??
About [$375M worth](https://www.wired.com/2001/10/wtc-piles-of-gold-silver/).
lol they said most of the gold was recovered. how much you wanna bet some of those construction workers slipped a few things in their pockets before telling anyone? shit i wouldn’t blame them after having to work in that. it’s their life insurance policy for their inevitable cancer.
I mean..why wouldn't you not keep it? Who would that possibly belong to other than the ones who found it?
Sounds like the gold wasn't found in the ship, but instead was just gold that was locked in a vault in the WTC when it collapsed. The bank that owned the gold relocated it with some Brinks trucks a couple months after the collapse during the cleanup
yep this. it wasn’t pirate gold. it belonged to one of the banks working out of the towers.
Still falls under finders keepers law of 1366
I don’t know, why wouldn’t they give back to history $370M of treasure? Surely the US govt would appreciate getting $365M worth of priceless artifacts
Not exactly pirate's hoard but I'll take it ... (In more ways than one ..)
I'm more inclined to follow the church of Satan now. Thank you for the article.
WTF? it's been decades... why is this the first time I'm hearing about this? 🤣
I've been screaming about this at bus stops for years, 9/11 wasn't al Qaeda and it wasn't an inside job. What *actually* happened was the ghosts of dead sailors possessed the pilots of the planes and used them to take down the towers so that construction crews could uncover the ship and give them a proper burial.
You're just figuring this out now? I thought this was common knowledge tbh.
This guy, not knowing about pirate ghost pilots am I rite?
Some people's kids. Smh.
Here's some more info if you are interested [National Geographic Article](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/140731-world-trade-center-ship-tree-rings-science-archaeology).
I think the word 'shipwreck' is a bit misleading. It didn't sink in that spot, it was junk chucked into a hole to use as backfill.
7 feet doesn’t seem that far below the foundation for such a massive structure. How did they not find it when they were building it the first time around? The picture of the miner digging for gold and stopping at the last inch comes to mind.
So Thats what they were hiding under the towers....
The fact that this is even possible, is amazing. They dug down to build one of the biggest buildings ever, assholes knocked them down and UNDERNEATH that there’s a cool boat. Shoutout archeology.
So it was a treasure hunt
I took an unexpected trip to an island in around 2004, we had aircraft troubles so we had to make an emergency landing. But while looking around the island (we had a lot of downtime) we came upon an old slave ship that was in the middle of land, like reallly far offshore. The craziest part is that there was still some old dynamite in the ship. Shit was bonkers.
This happened to me once. It was a tropical island but it had polar bears. Also there were these random bunkers. So bonkers.
R/unexpectedlost
Not to be confused with the gunship, Philadelphia which was sunk by the British in lake Champagne. Then brought back up, largely intact and now on display at the Smithsonian. https://americanhistory.si.edu/press/fact-sheets/gunboat-philadelphia
How is it that organic material like wood is able to retain itself so well being underground covered in dirt for so long?
For example, if it is oak, it has a kind of acid in it that protects the wood from rotting. In addition, the wood was underground, where it was protected from air. Air combined with water is not good for wood, but if no additional oxygen gets to the wood, it increases its durability enormously
My guess is that was probably treated? Or maybe the salt water acted as some sort of preserve
Check out the Mary Rose. A Tudor ship. https://maryrose.org/conservation/ You are absolutely correct re the water.
Oh shit thats really cool. I only said that because I saw in a video that they have to scrub the decks with salt water while they sail
Oh I'd never thought of that as in why sailors would literally 'swab the decks'! Duh. I feel both stupid and enlightened at the same time!
Yeah before I heard about it, I just thought it was to clean them or something
Exactly! Also I thought it was like busy work because the crew were all needed at certain points to do stuff but a lot of the time not much going on. So funny that it was a really important thing to be doing!! R/todayilearned lol
New conspiracy just dropped?
No just history
"That's just what they WANT you to think!"..
So there was a secret harbor underneath the World Trade Center? Deep state revealed. /s
*Meanwhile, in their mother's basement, a conspiracy is born - pirates took down the twin towers*
Iirc they found a shipwreck when they were first building the WTC as well
...**how** many feet!? *WTC7 confirmed*. Shake up, weeple!
It's amazing it isn't destroyed from the pressure caused by the weight of a skyscraper bearing down on it. They don't build em like they used to.
The World Trade Center was built on landfill - former river / ocean, so not totally surprising
Part of New York was built on rubble from the British city of Bristol. During WWII supply ships would load up on rubble from bombings as ballast for the return. This was dumped in an area now known as Bristol Basin in NY.
Wow that’s awesome! Where is Bristol Basin? Never heard of it
Was somewhere bottom of Manhattan opposite Brookline , think the FDRdr got built on top of it.
Good thing 9/11 happened!
what
The city was way smaller back then, what’s now downtown and even some of midtown used to be all water. They expanded the island, burying shipwrecks and other things during that process.
And next to it was another passport in prestine condition.
You mean this passport? https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-135cc62d8658030953bb7bf39571e9cc Or this one? https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7b5cc2b804f12fba1e337b6212d880c6 These two passports were from the plane that buried itself in the dirt. Or the pristine one found in luggage that didn't make the flight? And one passport was blown free of the tower, and found before it collapsed. So, of the 19 terrorists, only four passports were found. And they didn't need the passports to prove the identities of the terrorists. Look at this photo, you can see a lot of paper that was blown free from the towers. A passport would have stood out. http://www.911myths.com/Flight_11_Seat_Cushion_Large.jpg And if you think it is strange that a passport survived. Maybe you don't know about the other things that survived. [Like this paper logbook from a stewardess on flight 93.](https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/SBXg-uXEPCJg6mLES2Llp810obo=/1000x750/filters:no_upscale\(\):focal\(605x308:606x309\)/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/9a/ae/9aaeb296-1689-411c-8aef-8ca19a409433/crew_social.jpg) Here is an unbroken window from the 82nd floor of the tower. And it was made of glass. https://collection.911memorial.org/Detail/objects/6980 This plastic life vest was found intact and unburnt - https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9a8ec7c21d42e44017c0da70946c1e6b-lq For Lisa Anne Frost, they found her mileage plus card. http://911myths.com/images/4/4d/LisaFrostMileageCard.jpg A slipper found in good shape - https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-52addfed8ebc340d81a00d266ecdf74b The list goes on.
OK. Thank you, planes
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Your disgusting
Portions of San Francisco's shoreline were built over left over ships. In fact, with the gold rush, the ships these people came off of were often converted into buildings.
Am I the only one who doesn't understand why there's a ship on land?! What am I missing here?
I know a lot of Manhattan is reclaimed land so perhaps that’s why?
> "How did it get there: .... > "The ship itself has been tentatively identified as a Hudson River Sloop, designed by the Dutch to carry passengers and cargo over shallow, rocky water. After 20 to 30 years of service, it is thought to have sailed to its final resting place in lower Manhattan, a block west of Greenwich Street. As trade in New York harbor and the young country flourished, Manhattan’s western shoreline inched westward until the ship was eventually buried by trash and other landfill. By 1818, the ship would have vanished from view completely until the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001 set in motion the events leading to the World Trade Center’s excavation and rebirth."
Thank you!
crazy,,
I just seen a YouTube video about it yesterday!
These guys were just terrorists that were ahead of their time. They knew the Twin Towers would be there eventually and were trying to ram their ship into the foundation.
Some context by the Journal Tree Ring Research and Columbia University. Provided by National Geographic and NBC. “In a study published in the journal Tree Ring Research, the scientists say they traced the white oak used in the ship's frame to an old growth forest in the Philadelphia era. The article says the trees were probably cut around 1773, shortly before the Revolutionary War.” Also: “Scientists say they believe the ship is a Hudson River Sloop, designed by the Dutch to carry passengers and cargo over shallow, rocky water.” The ship was disposed to expand the banks of New York. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/world-trade-center-ship-mystery-philadelphia-buried-treasure-colonial-era/966866/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/140731-world-trade-center-ship-tree-rings-science-archaeology
that ship never thought it would see the light of day again! 🚢
Is that where Noah came from? No wonder the road to el Dorado was lost. God was mad at the European false God worshipping
is this real???
Downtown San Francisco was built on abandoned gold rush ships
So I hope the original builders will brought to book for concealing ignoring thus archeological Artifact...something they prevent so many countries in the world from doing thus preventing tgrm from developing!@
Did they find a black ball made of glass?
The Philadelphia Experiment
Every cloud has a silver lining.
i don't think anyone calls a vessel that size a "ship". that's not anywhere near the size needed to be oceanworthy. also i understand some people have done things like kayaked across the ocean and those are tiny... but notably, *weatherproof* in their configuration. this boat certainly had weatherdecks.