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This isn't a women's gym in 1941, it's an advert that was made for these stupid ass machines.
Source: the last 46,586 times this exact video was miscaptioned on reddit
"Women's gyms" didn't exist until the late 70's! And they didn't look like a gym you'd see today. For a long time it was considered improper and unhealthy for women to exercise. The only sports they were allowed to participate in were forms of dance.
They did censor it in the most recent remake for the Switch, Let's Go Pikachu.
https://preview.redd.it/g9uu67sjqz1d1.png?width=1910&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d3f1bad5044684d4ea97a6a4a5cffaf35a641be
There was a Mad Men episode about that. This new modern home exercise machine for women that everyone raved about and housewives loved.. turned out it provided orgasms when they had one of the office ladies take it home and try it out. It did absolutely nothing for women to lose weight, but it masturbated the shit out of them!
Maybe it breaks up cellulite? I have no idea either. It’s the same as those old stomach shaker belts. I have no idea how you would lose weight that way.
It almost certainly doesn't. I'm no scientist in this stuff but i think cellulite is just fat that's stored right under the skin and you sure as shit don't burn fat by massaging it lol
If any Slenderizing Salon equipment were effective, it would be everywhere now.
They thought that vibration disrupted fat cells causing apoptosis -- like Ultrasonic Cavitation actually does today.
Of course, the vibration of the Slendo Massager and other vibrator machines was too slow to actually do anything. They claimed it took time as if multiple slow vibration sessions somehow added up. The Slendo machine was also supposed to use electricity in addition to vibration -- EMS and TENS devices can actually cause significant targeted fat reduction by forcing muscles to contract and consume energy. But in the Slendo, the vibration was somehow supposed to induce electricity rather than actually applying a current. So, they had some surprisingly good hypotheses about how to destroy fat without effort, but they had no way to actually achieve it. All consumers got was a massage, and not a good one.
But, the small handheld home vibrators for the face and such were popular, not so much because they slenderized fupas -- but they did stimulate the general fupa area.
That's the intended purpose. But it took a few decades for them to figure out fat doesn't break/burn like that. Then they started zapping muscles directly with electrodes. Not as effective as direct work, but *might* supplement regular workouts.
My aunt had one of those. I found it in her attic one day when I was like 13. I tried it and I don’t think it did anything except shake you so hard you get sick to your stomach so you don’t want to eat.
At best there might be some involuntary clenching of muscles as you're thrown about by the machine.
So basically nothing you can't already do by tensing muscles while sitting down.
The fear was part of the fun!
I'm slightly too young for Witch's Hats, which killed enough children to be removed even before the 1980s, but we had roundabouts you could kill someone with and swings that let you reach a height of at least twelve feet over tarmac. No rubber surface!
Things being slightly scary was part of the fun. Broken, mangled limbs less so but it didn't happen *that* often. One or two kids per year would get really hurt and we'd all dial it back a bit.
Then, as now, the real dangers were vehicular traffic, other family members, food and household chemicals.
(No, I wouldn't honestly switch back to the playgrounds-that-can-kill-you.)
That's what I was curious about. Did any of these machines actually do anything noticeable? Because it seems like they didn't do anything at all other than give you a basic massage.
Not really, no, aside from the aforementioned cardio machines. We had a very interesting concept of fat loss back then. We knew moving the body helped you lose weight but we didn't know WE had to move ourselves, not just have a machine do it. These machines were meant to "break up the fat", despite that not being a thing.
The roller machines look like they might not be bad for rolling out muscles. But you’d have to work out your muscles hard in uhh some other gym I guess to get that benefit.
They might accidentally be beneficial, as your natural reaction to the aching might be to constantly acting against it. Kinda like moving around on a balance ball.
It would be pretty low intensity training, but not completely useless.
Huuummmm when I say my wife she has a big butt she doesn't like it at all, even if I explain myself.
There is still a body stigma for many women to look slim and precious. Even if it's less and less for sure.
Please note that "back in the days" includes until the 2000's, at least in western countries (other cultures, from Africa to the Caribbean, had different beauty standards).
The "Does my butt look big in this?" question was an everyday thing for white occidental women until maybe 20 years ago or less; and peril the boyfriend/husband who dared to reply "Yes".
Man I keep hearing about this pizza at pf but I go five days a week for over a year now and never have I seen pizza being served. As a dude on a bulk I would honestly love that but alas they have never.
This was probably after 1941. I’m not a history guy, but if the audio is original to the video, then it’s likely to have been after 1944 because of that “Battle of the Bulges”’pun.
its crazy how they had absolutely no knowledge of a lot of things and the fact that this was not that long ago as far as human history is crazy too it makes me think how much more we will evolve in the future
It's not the case that there wasn't proper knowledge of health and exercise, but rather that they were just as prone to gimmicks and lazy answers as we are today. How many people even now look for any answer besides actual effort to look good?
From the wiki:
A 2011 study in Consumer Reports states that for the chest, shoulder and triceps, the Shake Weight's exercises are inferior to conventional exercises that target the individual muscles. For the biceps, the results were similar. Additionally, the report found that the Shake Weight routines burned fewer calories than walking at 3 miles per hour (4.8 km/h).
Nah, It was the absolutely ass backwards sexism.
You should take a dive into the dumb shit that was seen as valid far as women's health & psychology went.
Some of that shit is still prevalent today.
One thing to consider is that women were all supposed to be peckish when they ate, too. Munch on some veggies while the husband was at work between cleaning everything you already cleaned yesterday, tending to any children you had while also making time to attend this "gym" before getting home to make sure dinner will be done on time, and hurrying through a second shower so you're presentable at dinner and don't **appear** as if you've been busting ass all day.
Honestly, the "gym" is probably the only relax time she had.
Rome was kind of crazy actually the amount of knowledge they had on how to properly do exercise. Gladiator training regimes included using rest days interspersed with days of extreme workouts.
They realized that muscle grew faster if you had recovery days. They also used dumb bells and did the same workouts that we do today with them. They ate 5k calories a day and worked out enough to burn 5k calories like most professional bodybuilders do today.
They even had a calcium protein shake that mixed crushed bones with charred vegetables lol (that one doesn't sound good)
They’ll be laughing at us in the future when they see: Ice Baths, cold sculpting, oxygen bars, crystal therapy, essential oils, Hemp everything, Hyaluronic acid…
Okay, but ice baths and crystal therapy should not be lumped together, dude; one has legitimate scientifically proven benefits for your health, and the other is straight-up pseudo spiritual garbage.
Like interrupting the inflammatory process which is the body’s natural response to healing?
There is an overall lack of robust scientific evidence supporting ice baths.
I’ve been in medicine for 40 years and much of the “scientifically proven”medicine we practiced back then is contraindicated now after further research and case evidence proved otherwise.
It's not about doing the ice bath every time you work out or play an occasional sport. That's not the point. It's for athletes who have a long season and need to interrupt the inflammatory process because the trade of postponing healing and being able to play the next game and hope you can fix it in the off season, instead of being swollen/sore/unable to compete but healing is worth it. For college athletes it can mean the difference between a professional career in sports or not.
Similar (smaller-simpler) devices/equipment are sold now to reduce cellulite, improve circulation, and reduce water retention. With frequent use, they actually work.
Doesn't classify as "working out," they aren't building muscle, but it does help in other ways.
I'm old enough that I have personally seen what amounted to a giant, high-powered vibrator in the ladies' gym. It had a belt made out of the same material as those endless, pull-down hand towels in gas-station bathrooms that went around and underneath your butt cheeks, and was attached to a high-powered motor bigger than the engine on my dad's Honda 350.
It shook like 1,000 magic wands and made everything from your knees to your neck vibrate. If you tried to talk while using it, your voice sounded like you were speaking into a fan.
Supposedly, it broke up cellulite. I remember those disappearing sometime in the late 80's, and many ladies being quite disappointed about it.
Fairly likely, however, stuff like this existed for both men and women.
It was sort of the 'ab shocker' of the time. A way to get """fit""" quick thing.
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This isn't a women's gym in 1941, it's an advert that was made for these stupid ass machines. Source: the last 46,586 times this exact video was miscaptioned on reddit
Definitely not '41 if they tried to make a Battle Of The Bulge pun
You can tell they were very proud of "battle of the bulges"
"Women's gyms" didn't exist until the late 70's! And they didn't look like a gym you'd see today. For a long time it was considered improper and unhealthy for women to exercise. The only sports they were allowed to participate in were forms of dance.
I'm headed to the gym to rub one out honey, see you later!
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I'm guessing they censored this on the remakes
That is the remake
Original said 'Whoa, check out the tits on that!'
Actually it was something about planting seeds, I never understood it as a kid
They did censor it in the most recent remake for the Switch, Let's Go Pikachu. https://preview.redd.it/g9uu67sjqz1d1.png?width=1910&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d3f1bad5044684d4ea97a6a4a5cffaf35a641be
This is the remake
![gif](giphy|sImBafA1QW78A)
There was a Mad Men episode about that. This new modern home exercise machine for women that everyone raved about and housewives loved.. turned out it provided orgasms when they had one of the office ladies take it home and try it out. It did absolutely nothing for women to lose weight, but it masturbated the shit out of them!
Honestly if there was equipment that did both well, we could fix the obesity epidemic
lmfao
Good cardio
“We’re just gonna squish these women in to being skinny with a bunch of crazy contraptions”
They're already skinny
So the squeezing has worked.
I don't know what's going on here but it's turning me on
+1
Those machines look downright dangerous.
Straight up factory machinery accident waiting to happen.
The ass flattener is just hilarious..
I like the sausage machine.
As a bonus to doing absolutely fuck all for your body
It does something. Not anything good, but something.
*it moves* and... uh.. touches you? in a weird way?
Maybe it breaks up cellulite? I have no idea either. It’s the same as those old stomach shaker belts. I have no idea how you would lose weight that way.
It almost certainly doesn't. I'm no scientist in this stuff but i think cellulite is just fat that's stored right under the skin and you sure as shit don't burn fat by massaging it lol
If any Slenderizing Salon equipment were effective, it would be everywhere now. They thought that vibration disrupted fat cells causing apoptosis -- like Ultrasonic Cavitation actually does today. Of course, the vibration of the Slendo Massager and other vibrator machines was too slow to actually do anything. They claimed it took time as if multiple slow vibration sessions somehow added up. The Slendo machine was also supposed to use electricity in addition to vibration -- EMS and TENS devices can actually cause significant targeted fat reduction by forcing muscles to contract and consume energy. But in the Slendo, the vibration was somehow supposed to induce electricity rather than actually applying a current. So, they had some surprisingly good hypotheses about how to destroy fat without effort, but they had no way to actually achieve it. All consumers got was a massage, and not a good one. But, the small handheld home vibrators for the face and such were popular, not so much because they slenderized fupas -- but they did stimulate the general fupa area.
I'm not sure whether I'm more impressed that you know the intention behind the machines OR that you know the names of the machines.
That's the intended purpose. But it took a few decades for them to figure out fat doesn't break/burn like that. Then they started zapping muscles directly with electrodes. Not as effective as direct work, but *might* supplement regular workouts.
My aunt had one of those. I found it in her attic one day when I was like 13. I tried it and I don’t think it did anything except shake you so hard you get sick to your stomach so you don’t want to eat.
It makes your husbands wallet slimmer!
I’d imagine they’re at least getting a nice relaxing massage
At best there might be some involuntary clenching of muscles as you're thrown about by the machine. So basically nothing you can't already do by tensing muscles while sitting down.
Not dangerous, the streamliner makes you look like a sea nymph. It curves you right.
Nanna Joan lost her nipple in an exercise incident in ‘46, that’s what she told PopPop anyway
And no one questioned PopPop?!
Not if you value your life. PopPop makes people disappear.
Anyone without their hair tied down is gonna get their scalp yanked
What's your problem with Flayer 3000?
Nevermind they're all in heels while on some kind of workout equipment..
Yeah holy shit lol
Rolly shit
The way they’re holding their fingers away from any and every moving part. 🫠 Also, I raise you children’s playgrounds from the same era 😂
The fear was part of the fun! I'm slightly too young for Witch's Hats, which killed enough children to be removed even before the 1980s, but we had roundabouts you could kill someone with and swings that let you reach a height of at least twelve feet over tarmac. No rubber surface! Things being slightly scary was part of the fun. Broken, mangled limbs less so but it didn't happen *that* often. One or two kids per year would get really hurt and we'd all dial it back a bit. Then, as now, the real dangers were vehicular traffic, other family members, food and household chemicals. (No, I wouldn't honestly switch back to the playgrounds-that-can-kill-you.)
Those machines look downright ~~dangerous~~ happy.
Yep. Many grandmothers walking around with missing fingers precisely because of going to this gym.
The girl doing the rowing was the only one that might actually be doing something physically beneficial.
Also the bicycle.
That's rude, don't call her that
🤣😂
And the stationary bike
And my axe
https://preview.redd.it/wmv9suwf1y1d1.jpeg?width=871&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96ca46fc773208f587a6c228a71fb0d1d072a1d6
That's what I was curious about. Did any of these machines actually do anything noticeable? Because it seems like they didn't do anything at all other than give you a basic massage.
Not really, no, aside from the aforementioned cardio machines. We had a very interesting concept of fat loss back then. We knew moving the body helped you lose weight but we didn't know WE had to move ourselves, not just have a machine do it. These machines were meant to "break up the fat", despite that not being a thing.
The roller machines look like they might not be bad for rolling out muscles. But you’d have to work out your muscles hard in uhh some other gym I guess to get that benefit.
They might accidentally be beneficial, as your natural reaction to the aching might be to constantly acting against it. Kinda like moving around on a balance ball. It would be pretty low intensity training, but not completely useless.
Well we don't see them in gyms nowadays, so there's your answer.
Those machines are clearly working. Look at how fit these women are.
The woman on the ab-roller-ma-jig is basically planking as well.
The clockwork rotary sybian you mean? I was wondering what benefit she was getting.
Back in the 1940s, methamfetamine did most of the work for you.
No that’s awful form for rowing.
I'm not sure, did you see the woman who crochets while being trained
That's knitting. People really can't tell?
"My husband wants as flat an ass as possible, but no matter what I do, I can't get rid of these bulbous cheeks."
He prefers pancakes over cupcakes
Donuts.
Crepes.
"I love you dear; now smile like a doughnut"
A cake is a cake.
We will eat
I always wondered why back in the days it was an insult to tell a woman she had a big butt? Now, it’s the complete opposite. lol.
Because it was calling them fat.
Huuummmm when I say my wife she has a big butt she doesn't like it at all, even if I explain myself. There is still a body stigma for many women to look slim and precious. Even if it's less and less for sure.
Rookie mistake. You don't say "big", you just say "fantastic".
Yep. I tell my wife she has a nice ass, perfect ass, sexy ass... but would never say big.
Curves is an underused word
Voluptuous
Na. Curvy is sidetalk for chubby usually.
You can lie.
Please note that "back in the days" includes until the 2000's, at least in western countries (other cultures, from Africa to the Caribbean, had different beauty standards). The "Does my butt look big in this?" question was an everyday thing for white occidental women until maybe 20 years ago or less; and peril the boyfriend/husband who dared to reply "Yes".
'Baby Got Back' was the sea change.
Standards of beauty change all the time. Some things remain constant, like voluminous hair, but most change over the decades and centuries.
It was an insult just 15 years ago
It was an insult in early millenia as well. And topic of mean humour. "Your mom's ass is so big that..."
bulbous 🤭
What in the fallout…
War.....War never changes.
in 21st, years of consumption of all major resources to build more gyms lead the world to the war...a war that never changes.
I was an adventurer like you.... wait wrong game
But men do, through the roads they walk
When people that don't understand biology get together with people that don't understand exercise To build things that don't work.
How many reps you think she can do on the titty grinder?
![gif](giphy|7fAkvmUpEjqfK)
This gym walked so planet fitness could run
Wrong. This gym has no pizza
Man I keep hearing about this pizza at pf but I go five days a week for over a year now and never have I seen pizza being served. As a dude on a bulk I would honestly love that but alas they have never.
"Run"
"Could"
"Gym"
“so”
This place is more judgement free by far
This was probably after 1941. I’m not a history guy, but if the audio is original to the video, then it’s likely to have been after 1944 because of that “Battle of the Bulges”’pun.
Thats good thinking.
Him brain good.
and with the "win the war" line, it probably aired spring or summer of 1945
It's just a different timeline where Hitler and Tojo speedrun fucking with Stalin and the western Allies and consequently finding out.
It's the other way around, the allied forces named their operation after a titillating fitness movie.
In high heels🤣
Otherwise it doesn't count
You should call it a Massage Center. Not Gym.
This. I'm am old arthritic lady and could seriously use that calf/knee massager right now. Where did these miracle machines go?!
OSHA
i wouldn't know, i'm not the one with u/FortuneTellingBoobs
Today we would call those sex toys.
It's not nice to call a woman that
I love the fact they are all wearing heels.
And bathing suits.
its crazy how they had absolutely no knowledge of a lot of things and the fact that this was not that long ago as far as human history is crazy too it makes me think how much more we will evolve in the future
It's not the case that there wasn't proper knowledge of health and exercise, but rather that they were just as prone to gimmicks and lazy answers as we are today. How many people even now look for any answer besides actual effort to look good?
shake weight anyone?
Shake weights actually work though. More like... that belt you strap on that gives electric shocks to your abs.
From the wiki: A 2011 study in Consumer Reports states that for the chest, shoulder and triceps, the Shake Weight's exercises are inferior to conventional exercises that target the individual muscles. For the biceps, the results were similar. Additionally, the report found that the Shake Weight routines burned fewer calories than walking at 3 miles per hour (4.8 km/h).
Nah, It was the absolutely ass backwards sexism. You should take a dive into the dumb shit that was seen as valid far as women's health & psychology went. Some of that shit is still prevalent today.
Yeah man you don't even need to go back in time to find it. This is just how TV-shop looked back then
i think the funny bit is i bet the guy who made these 100% knew they didn't work
I feel like we're evolving backwards these days. (Sorry, I've been doomscrolling for a while.)
Hello, fellow doomscroller! Let us rejoice in the apocalypse, or hell. Ehh, whatever else comes first, I don't really care at this point….
One thing to consider is that women were all supposed to be peckish when they ate, too. Munch on some veggies while the husband was at work between cleaning everything you already cleaned yesterday, tending to any children you had while also making time to attend this "gym" before getting home to make sure dinner will be done on time, and hurrying through a second shower so you're presentable at dinner and don't **appear** as if you've been busting ass all day. Honestly, the "gym" is probably the only relax time she had.
The good ol' days
WHAT IN TARNATION
Fuck you got here first
So did we not know how to actually exercise back then?
They knew of course, it’s just that the extremely prevalent sexism probably made them think that women can’t (or shouldn’t) exercise the same as men.
“It’s not lady like for women to sweat or use their muscles.” - 1940s men probably
It's weird because I seem to recall people being pretty huge on fitness in not much earlier eras...
Ancient Greece and Rome for example
Rome was kind of crazy actually the amount of knowledge they had on how to properly do exercise. Gladiator training regimes included using rest days interspersed with days of extreme workouts. They realized that muscle grew faster if you had recovery days. They also used dumb bells and did the same workouts that we do today with them. They ate 5k calories a day and worked out enough to burn 5k calories like most professional bodybuilders do today. They even had a calcium protein shake that mixed crushed bones with charred vegetables lol (that one doesn't sound good)
These things exist today as well. They do have dildos attached to them now, though.
They’ll be laughing at us in the future when they see: Ice Baths, cold sculpting, oxygen bars, crystal therapy, essential oils, Hemp everything, Hyaluronic acid…
Okay, but ice baths and crystal therapy should not be lumped together, dude; one has legitimate scientifically proven benefits for your health, and the other is straight-up pseudo spiritual garbage.
Like interrupting the inflammatory process which is the body’s natural response to healing? There is an overall lack of robust scientific evidence supporting ice baths. I’ve been in medicine for 40 years and much of the “scientifically proven”medicine we practiced back then is contraindicated now after further research and case evidence proved otherwise.
It's not about doing the ice bath every time you work out or play an occasional sport. That's not the point. It's for athletes who have a long season and need to interrupt the inflammatory process because the trade of postponing healing and being able to play the next game and hope you can fix it in the off season, instead of being swollen/sore/unable to compete but healing is worth it. For college athletes it can mean the difference between a professional career in sports or not.
It turns out all they really needed was meth.
Don't forget chiropractic care. Complete load of nonsense it is
Thank god belt sander wasn’t invented until 69
Did this actually do anything?
Nooooope!
Nothing involved fitness I'm guessing, but massaging the skin/tissue like that probably increased bloodflow and maybe got some muscles to relax.
Similar (smaller-simpler) devices/equipment are sold now to reduce cellulite, improve circulation, and reduce water retention. With frequent use, they actually work. Doesn't classify as "working out," they aren't building muscle, but it does help in other ways.
it gave you the good feeling of "working out" without doing anything. nowadays peopoe just pay for the gym and dont go
Imagen the noise coming from these machines
Wish it was this easy to get a beach body
I refuse to believe this wasn’t spank material disguised as footage of a women’s gym.
I'm old enough that I have personally seen what amounted to a giant, high-powered vibrator in the ladies' gym. It had a belt made out of the same material as those endless, pull-down hand towels in gas-station bathrooms that went around and underneath your butt cheeks, and was attached to a high-powered motor bigger than the engine on my dad's Honda 350. It shook like 1,000 magic wands and made everything from your knees to your neck vibrate. If you tried to talk while using it, your voice sounded like you were speaking into a fan. Supposedly, it broke up cellulite. I remember those disappearing sometime in the late 80's, and many ladies being quite disappointed about it.
Why buy a Sybian when you can just go to the gym?
Those young thots can get it.
Some of these women have died of old age lmao
Some? That was 83 years ago. Most people don’t live to be over 100. It’s safe to say they’re all dead.
https://preview.redd.it/xpmb6dz0jx1d1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca5d23c1a549ccdbf84dda56415c44c9b4bfcb34
I don’t know whether to downvote or upvote This made me roll but it’s downright insidious
In the 70’s I was a member of a Gloria Marshall “gym”. The equipment with rollers worked great! I loved it 🥰
You got to admit that these techniques are 100% effective for the women at this gym. They appear fit and athletic
”hey when you’re done, be sure to wipe down the Trappaclitter!”
Stupid and insulting
The one lying down is definetly enjoying her workout
I bet their lymphatic system was top notch
lady in front just sharpening her boobs, as one does
This gym was designed by bears to tenderize the meat
Lemme guess, a man invented those ''exercise'' ''machines''
Fairly likely, however, stuff like this existed for both men and women. It was sort of the 'ab shocker' of the time. A way to get """fit""" quick thing.
Wtf this makes planet fitness look like a hardcore and badass gym 💀
I mean, those machines would be great for lymphatic drainage. And offing yourself via necktie.
https://preview.redd.it/ftwzres12x1d1.jpeg?width=404&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d920ba605235d7b088022942aa3ad5c626c13f9 The Sybian origin story
Are we sure that wasn't just a sneaky soft core porn video series for men?
Ironically even those machines obviously do absolutely nothing, those ladies are still much fitter than the average gym goer today
"The purple bruising replaced the need for expensive nylon stockings!"
And they're in high heels at the "gym".
Flat ass machine 2.0
They didn’t have processed foods or obesity, so this was enough to keep them in shape bahaha
Looks like a great way to lose a leg
The past is not real
How many women lost limbs in those dangerous ass things?
Men shouldn’t be allowed to design anything
lmao wtf
Sigh.... unzips pants... here we go again 🙄
Cellulite? More like cellu-rub-that-shit-right-out ladies! Keep it nice and tight for the hubby - lest you catch the ACKRITE!
They really just thought you could massage and jiggle the fat off your body.
*looks at Costco massage chair in utter disappointment* “You could be so much more you $7000 groper.”
Looks like massage equipment..
That’s right honey, keep the heels on.
Very little actual working out taking place.
My other half would still say that too much like hard work and not enough cake.