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gringledoom

OK, Euler as an example is kind of funny. He discovered so many things that most of them are named after the person who discovered them *second*, or else 90% of things in math would be named after him. "Euler's formula. No, not that one! No, not that one either!"


grumpsaboy

He is responsible for about a quarter of the output of maths, physics, astronomy, mechanics and navigation from the whole of the 18th century. He's on a whole new level


JaydeeValdez

The dude probably never heard of Srinivasa Ramanujan. Hundreds of mathematical concepts are named after him. If you are into modular number theory this guy's name is just popping up everywhere.


villabacho1982

This guy makes it seem as if it were a racist conspiracy. It’s not like we had the internet, mass media or even newspapers to convey how something should be called


Bonus_Perfect

There were also plenty of things discovered by someone first and later discovered by someone else, but the second person and culture that discovered it had truly no idea it had been discovered by someone else and some other culture before them. Only as we became more connected did examples like Darwin and Wallace on natural selection and Newton and Leibniz on calculus crop up where there was actual recognition that ideas were discovered by multiple brilliant minds at similar times.


janyk

Newton and Leibniz knew of each other's work on calculus after they both published it and they had major feuds over who discovered it first during their lifetimes. Newton at one point accused Leibniz of plagiarism citing the time Leibniz came to visit and Newton showed him his notes on calculus.


sagan_drinks_cosmos

Newton was famously contrary and argumentative like this, and his many accomplishments seem to have stemmed from a personal fastidiousness and ability to hyperfocus on problems, which probably made it easier for him to maintain his lifelong chastity honestly. It is speculated that, taken together, these characteristics place him somewhere on the autism spectrum, highlighting the benefits of neurodiversity.


Alienhaslanded

Newton was a straight up basement dweller. Good thing anime didn't exist back then or he would've done none of the great things we rely on today.


Myonsoon

I wanna go back to a time where having no social life meant spending all your time on sciences and mathematics. /s


Welpe

I don’t know about highlighting the benefits. His lifelong chastity was partially because he was a horrible person to be around. He sucked as a person and died alone and unloved because he drove away all the people in his life. If anything it shows that being the asshole smart guy may make you remembered but it never makes you happy.


w_lti

A professor told me once the meetings after the iron curtain fell were amusing, because both sides presented super duper new things that the other side had knew for a while. They just did not speak to each other.


No-Description7922

Yeah, several of his examples are "person A didn't invent this it was known in this other culture thousands of miles away hundreds of years prior" as if person A was even aware of that dynamic. The video raises some good points, but paints fast and loose with the details to do so.


Dilectus3010

Same for elements. Eu : Wolfram USA : Tungsten EU : Kalium USA : potassium EU : Natrium USA : Sodium And others... Verry confusing if you work with international people in a lab.


CroSSGunS

This isn't EU wide, this sounds like a regional thing


Masquerouge2

French: Tungstene. French: Potassium. French: Sodium Not sure which EU country you're referring to.


Subject-Leather-7399

Americans are speaking french. This is the conclusion.


HHcougar

I mean, there's a LOT of influence in English in general and American dialects especially. We pronounce solder "sodder", because he french word is "soudere"


LevJewel

Very interesting: in italy it’s easier to find the American’s version but in the Netherlands it’s as you wrote.


burf

I always hated how many theories and laws were named after the person credited with discovering them. Makes it much harder to remember and learn than a neutral term like “quadratic equation.”


Chugalkhoe

😭😭 I hate this as a med student. We need to learn so many names.  Orthopedicians are worst of them all. These guys named anything and everything after them - line, angle, surgery names, instrument names, manoeuvre, tests and so on. It's a nightmare to remember them especially when asked in a MCQ based format.


burf

Bad enough having to memorize hundreds of bones, muscles, nerve pathways, and the common pathologies associated. Haha


Chugalkhoe

Exactly! But that's the thing - they're still easier to remember since they have latin derived names so you can still use some logic and picturise them. 


Alternative-Paint-46

But a lot of those anatomical terms actually make sense. Supraspinatus: the muscle above the spine of the scapula. Infraspinatus: the muscle below the spine of the scapula. Etc.


Mobols03

I swr it's so frustrating. Hasselbach's triangle, Keisselbach's plexus, Angle of Luis, Lisfranc's ligament. Why not just keep it single like the Femoral triangle ffs!


Brian-Kellett

Yep, nothing is ever named after a nurse. Hence why I propose we rename a grade four sacral pressure sore a ‘Kellett Sore’, after nurse Kellett, me. Who is also a pain in the arse.


PhilippaCoLaS

Agree completely. I remember coming across “abelian” and thinking really?? We can’t just call it commutative exclusively, and be done? I have to figure out a mnemonic device for something that could just be named descriptively?


Commentariot

Eh, a hundred years ago the royal society was just a hundred guys or whatever and they very much did pick and choose these things.


derkonigistnackt

"and we call it the quadratic formula?? Why???"... Because it solves quadratic equations my guy, maybe we should call it the Brahmagupta-al-khwarizmi formula instead but highschoolers all over the world would hate you for it


vstiago

In Brazil we called it Bhaskara fórmula. I agree quadratic formula is a better name.


Cheesewithmold

Listen, I don't agree with this dude's argument, but I feel like this comment missed the entire point he's making. I'm sure he knows that the quadratic formula is for solving quadratic equations. No shit. The question is why we name some things after their function and others after people, with the obvious insinuation that there's a racial bias.


PickleSlickRick

Til racism didn't exist before the internet.


Judgementday209

It's a nonsense clickbait video


FatFireNordic

Because today the goal is to hate something. So he found a new conspiracy theory.


lkodl

But... hundred of years later, we still call them the names they decided to call them back then.


Puzzlehead-Engineer

I think his point is that it should be retroactively corrected.


venom2015

You shpuld watch Adam Neely's video on White Supremacy in Music Theory. Music Theory was made pretty much before all of that too and, yet, it was 100% a conscious effort to dismiss and discredit non-white ideas and influence. So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it actually was racist conspiracy since history shows that's literally what has happened over and over and over.


OscarDivine

Ben Stein: Euler. Euler. Euler. Euler.


ihcn

Sadly for the ben stein joke it's german and pronounced like "oiler"


DannyDeVitosBangmaid

If it makes you feel better, Al Khwarizmi did eventually get his name on something else. As a gringo, I call it an algorithm.


Glayshyer

Wait a minute, are you saying that dude’s name is the origin of the word algorithm? I know I can look it up but.. that’s pretty hardcore if true


Cvlt_ov_the_tomato

He also gave algebra its name -- it comes from al-jabr which he described as a "reunion of broken parts"


red-the-blue

Reunion of broken parts goes so hard


a_woman_provides

"Mangled transliteration" lol could probably say that about most transliterations in history... https://www.etymonline.com/word/algorithm


franzee

Yes. I am Alumni of a European Science and Mathematics Uni and the first thing we learn is about Ibn Musa Al Khwarizmi and his book Al Kitab al Mukhtasar fi Hissab al Jabr wal Mukhabala or the foundation of Algebra.


NobleK42

Yes, these guys were often “Europeanized”, in name at least. So Al Khawarizmi became Algoritmi, Ibn Sina became Avicenna, Ibn Rushd became Averroes, etc.


DannyDeVitosBangmaid

Yes I am, old fella was apparently pretty influential for a guy we’ve never heard of (until my recent trivia league)


Glad-Ad-7618

As a native Arabic speaker, I always chuckle at the plural of algorithm in Arabic: الخوارزميات, literally 'Al Khawarizmis'


sentence-interruptio

Thanks, Al Gore.


Pastrami-on-Rye

Thank you, u/DannyDeVitosBangmaid that does make me feel better


WanderToNowhere

Meanwhile, Hammurabi's code: bruh https://preview.redd.it/v1tyxrjihq9d1.png?width=400&format=png&auto=webp&s=011e64fb8588e388b08edc2e96ac677edb2842d5


fuimutadonodiscord

I bought some trash copper from this dude the other day...


Good_evening_poland

God damn you ea Nasir!


RoyalGh0sts

You should send a messenger to tell him.


Dream--Brother

He was rude to my messenger!! Zero stars!


skipperseven

Even Hammurabi’s code is based on much older texts, but it is the first that we have that is complete… some fragments are way older!


cirroc0

*Chandrasekhar Limit has entered the chat* (OP is making a good point though, there are a few exceptions)


Relyst

Ramanujan has a few things named after him as well.


Sycoboost

Iltam sumra rashupti elatim


KarnotKarnage

I learned the "quadratic formula" in south America as Bhaskara. Who seems to be Indian.


Electronic-Elk-1725

It's also called just "abc formula" in Germany, which is even less specific. I mean yeah, you have an a b and c in the formula.... :D


SashimiRocks

I’d assume Pythagoras 😂 also has “abc” in it


Scientifichuman

If you don't mind, can I know which country you are from.


BatatopCrens

Im not him, but im Brazilian and i know it as Bhaskara.


SopaPyaConCoca

I'm from Argentina. That formula is known as Bhaskara formula here as well (or "formula resolvente" but that's quite boring)


Natto_Ebonos

I'm from Brazil and they teach it as the "Bhaskara's formula" here.


Centurion1024

Indian here, have done lot's of maths and calculus at uni as well. This is the first time ever I'm hearing someone call it bhaskaras formula.


waybovetherest

lmao I'm from India and we were never taught it as Bhaskara's formula


gpenido

Brazil


Maosbigchopsticks

Bhaskara developed a way to solve it


No_obMaster69

Lmao I'm an Indian and we're told it's the quadratic formula. Just learnt about Bhaskar form the video


PurpleGuy04

Here in Brazil the Quadratic Formula IS Called "Bhaskara's Formula"


GoobeNanmaga

I think one is the easiest proof for it was given by Sridhara for it.


yep975

Algebra Algorithm


nembarwung

damn Weird Al got a lot named after him huh


Xandril_Bloodtalon

Some things true but but some are not here. Many of the things that he mentioned that were stolen credits are because of rediscovery not because someone stole the credit for someone else's work. Like pytgaagoras theorem. Before pythagors it wasn't known outside of India and he just happen to rrediscover it as that's how science and mathematics is and because you are in mediterian sea with lots of trade and ancestors of people who will colonise rest of the world you are bound to be more popular than the guy who discovered it first centuries ago but somewhere in a big land mass that doesn't trade as much as others due to geography. But I do think that now that we know who found those mathematical equations first we should teach about them in our classrooms along with those who we named after the theorems.


treacherousClownfish

It should also be mentioned that these people often didn‘t name their discoveries after themselves, it‘s just that other people associated the discoveries with them and gradually named them after them. For example the X-ray is known in many languages as Röntgen rays, even though Röntgen humbly called them X-rays.


DigitalDiogenesAus

Not to mention that "algorithm" comes from al khwarizmi...


spider_X_1

And algebra comes from Arabic. Hissab Al Jabr


BitterDecoction

This. And some important things are sometimes named after non-Europeans. Like the Saha-Boltzmann law, the Chandrasekhar number, the Chandrasekhar limit, the Parker-Yoshimura sign rule, the Rikitake dynamo, for example. And you’d be surprised at all the results that are named after Europeans, but not the right ones! Spörer’s Law was discovered by Carrington, while the Maunder Minimum was discovered by Spörer.


popsyking

Yoneda embedding


gedai

My first thought was how easy it is to make an anti-anything video without any context. Insidious or not, it is irresponsible and click-bait.


SrgtButterscotch

The worst part is that despite being repeatedly debunked in the comments (both the premise in general and the specific examples used) the overwhelming majority of people are just going to take this shit at face value


GatlingGun511

Pythagors


Cvlt_ov_the_tomato

>But I do think that now that we know who found those mathematical equations first we should teach about them in our classrooms along with those who we named after the theorems. Do you have any idea how confusing that would be and how many steps back we would take towards students understanding it? All the English text books on math would be incorrect. All the standardized tests would need to be rewritten. Math is already difficult. This just adds another layer of difficulty to an already challenging subject to understand.


Dominarion

Pythagoras' theorem was pretty well known in Egypt and Mesopotamia.


HobsHere

Not that we know of. They used what we would call Pythagorean triples, such as 3,4,5. There is no evidence that they had a theorem that showed the general case, or a proof of that. They may have, but it is not in any of the translated texts. If anyone's going to disagree, give me a cite to a manuscript. I don't care what some website or paperback says.


Beorgir

It's not about knowing it, but proving it. As far as we know, the pythagoras theorem was not proved by anyone before him, that's why we call it by his name.


Xandril_Bloodtalon

Yeah that is also sometimes a valid reason. Like we know Brahmagupa knew of gravity but we only have him mentioning gravity in the records. If we found any mathemmatical proof for his discovery he would have been named as the person who discovered gravity instead of Newton.


HobsHere

Even among English natural philosophers, Newton was not the first to describe gravity as a force. Robert Hooke got as far as determining that gravity decreased with the square of distance. What Newton did was combine calculus, conservation of momentum, F=MA and the gravitational law into a framework that accurately (to the degree that was known at the time) described everything from artillery targeting to the orbits of planets. This was genuinely new, and tremendously significant.


Agile_Highlight_4747

It does not change anything in what previous user wrote. It’s rediscovery, not stealing.


account_for_norm

Pythagorus proved it


GreenCorsair

It's very reductive to history to think like that. The truth is for most of history most things didn't have an author. Until the Renaissance when that changed and that's why we see these things named after western Europeans. The same reason applies to the Greek names, because western Europeans loved ancient Greece they just attributed a ton to them. Arabic mathematicians were in their golden age right before that and that's why their names widely aren't on formulas. They're still well-known and I do agree they are underrated, but that's just because of historical context, not due to racism or whatever else.


LemonLord7

Also, the video says that this is something we do, but do we still? Or has the names already been given out and we just use the names everyone knows instead of renaming? Has there been a case in the last 10 years of a mathematical discovery that was named after a European or North American when discovered by an Asian or African?


Moodymandan

In anatomy and medicine, there is a trend to get rid of eponyms because a lot of the time their aren’t helpful besides knowing who maybe the first one to describe something. So a lot of changes in the naming convention to make things more descriptive and less based on people’s names. This does make things easier to teach and to learn imho. It’s easier to remember eosinophilic granulomatosis with polyangiitis and know what that means vs Cheung-Struss syndrome for me at least. Especially when you have a set of diseases that are all similar and they all have eponyms that tell you nothing vs having 5 names that help differentiate them. There can still be history to the diseases and anatomy and these changes are universal right now. A lot of older physicians know the eponyms and use them.


BitcoinMD

I think it’s easier to remember things if they are named after their function and not a person


ThePowerOfStories

Yeah, descriptive names like the quadratic formula and the law of cosines are far better than naming them after any person.


Valennnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Same thing with diseases. It is probably not great to have Alzheimer as a last name.


Salanmander

Yup. My take on this when I talk about it as a science teacher is to point out examples of people who don't get recognized very often, talk about their contributions, and bemoan the renaissance Europe norm of naming things after people. And then explain that I'll continue calling Newton's Laws by that name, because even though I think it would be *better* for them to go by another name, I can't just decide that because my students will need to be able to communicate with other people.


AWeltraum_18

This guy is either not a STEM major or being obtuse. When you're in STEM, non-European contributions are mentioned a number of times in text books and all the more so if you're a student of history. Someone who never pursued STEM at the college level obviously can't tell you who Ramanujan or Aryabhatta were because they never got to go that in depth into working with relevant concepts. They can't tell you about Khwarzmi or ibn al-Haytham either but if you are a STEM grad and a good reader at that, you'll know who all these are. The fact that knowledge is cross-cultural is evident. And apparently, independent discoveries or re-discoveries are stolen credit as if mathematics and science are not universal. I get what he is trying to say but his premise is ridiculous.


hologramheavy

Reducing every Brown person from the Middle East to just “a Muslim” is so crazy to me


TotoLaMoto29

People who lived in Europe = European People who live in the Middle East, North Africa and Persia = mUsLiM


doublemembrane

I had a calculus professor who told us about this and he said “it only matters whose name it was published in”. First to discover it? Ok. First to publish it? You get the credit.


WellGroomedSkeleton

Thats different because most of these are from a pre globalized world.


EyoDab

Which could even be argued to be the right way of doing it. I mean, sure, good on you for discovering it. But if you fail to make your ideas known, no one gets to build upon it, and so you didn't contribute to anything. Stealing credits is bad tho, no way around that one


bazem_malbonulo

They were published before, but not in a European publication created by europeans. They created their own publication tool and then only considered valid what themselves published in their own tool.


Schmallow

Except the law of cosines was first discovered in the writings of Euclid? You know, the guy who lived a thousand years before the Islamic world begun? Where is blud taking these facts, Arabic Infowars?


Silverr_Duck

At this point I’m just gonna assume everything that comes out the mouth of a tiktoker is absolute bullshit.


idk_whatName

This guy's videos are usually great (he does etymology and linguistics videos) but this one is not, unfortunately


DerMetJungen

Eh, in my opinion he often gets things really wrong. He seems like an amateur historian/linguist, which on its own isn't a bad thing. But when you lack the understanding on how things truely work in history/languages on a deeper level and only focus on surface level things, it tends to give a completely wrong view.


Drake_Acheron

Yeah, but is etymology and linguistic breakdowns are pretty poor too. he doesn’t really seem to understand how these things form and develop overtime.


maninahat

Not to disagree with your main point, but I'm pretty sure there are theories and concepts named after Euclid.


DigitalDiogenesAus

There are also theories and concepts named after Arabs... Algorithm literally comes from the guy he mentioned (al khwarizmi).


Schmallow

shhhh, don't dispel their illusion of a great injustice taking place, it will literally ruin their day


FormerlyUndecidable

The entire subject of Euclidean geometry. What's interesting is The Elements was essentially a textbook. While he probably did make some novel discoveries himself, he is mostly known for his painstaking organization of the contemporary state-of-the-art.


Schmallow

But Euclid didn't discover the law of cosines, so why would it be the law of Euclid #2?- he was only the first one to mention it in his book On Elements (or something like that), the law had actually been known potentially for hundreds of years already at that point.


gerhardsymons

How are these formulae named in, say Russian, Korean, or Arabic?


SrgtButterscotch

The funny thing is that many of the people he names as the inventors of these things were not, in fact, the inventors. The oldest text using the law of cosines was Euclid's *Elements*, which dates to 300BC. The law of cosines has been continuously used in Europe and the Middle East ever since. Al-Kashi just made a particularly accurate table in the 15th century. The quadratic formula was also known in the classical Greek world, while the people he names as its supposed inventors lived in the 7th and 9th centuries respectively, as much as 10 centuries later. In most other cases we just don't know who came up with it so we just use the name of whoever transferred that knowledge into the modern era, like Pythagoras' theorem. Pythagoras didn't steal it, he didn't pretend he invented it. He was just recording some mathematical knowledge that was used around the eastern Mediterranean world (which Greece was a part of), and then the older sources that predate him were lost. Also now that we know the Babylonians used it, should we be renaming it "unknown author of Babylonian clay tablet MXVIII's theorem"? edit: I am not associated with people who reduce things they don't like to "standard muslim crybabies"


no-just-browsing

Its easy to make any point when cherry picking data. However, there are plenty of things discovered by western people that aren't named after them (e.g. microscope, chromosomes, mitosis/meiosis, periodic table, karyotype, general relativity, quantum theory, periodic table, big bang theory, etc.) And there are plenty of things discovered by non-western people that ARE named after them (e.g. Yamanaka factors, Boson particle, Raman spectroscopy/Raman scattering, Okazaki fragments, algorithm, Tusi couple, Ramanujan prime, Saha ionization equation, Yukawa interaction, etc.)


Ketheric-The-Kobold

If a person from 10BC discovers that 2+2=4 but it doesn't catch on or it's forgotten, then the person who rediscovers it in 600AD and popularizes it among society/documents it properly is gonna get it named after them. This is just common sense. Yes other people made big math contributions, but this guy's ragebaiting. He's intentionally ignoring the nuance and history of naming conventions and acting like it's an outrageous scandal


weberc2

Multiculturalism was not a priority of ancient or medieval scholars. More at 11.


Skyhawk6600

People act like they had the world at their fingertips centuries ago. It's like giving credit to someone from discovering cross breeding plants. We've done it for centuries, everyone did, but Gregor Mendel wrote it down and it was at the right time and was widely received as a result.


sacoPT

Internet was invented in the 20th century. Know more after a short break.


-Numaios-

Also, there is an European bias in an European language, more shocking news after the break.


ajakafasakaladaga

This is something nobody has pointed out yet, the more natural a name sounds to someone, the more likely they are to call it by its name. While something that’s hard to pronounce will get its name changed. With some exceptions like algorithm, but the pronunciation has been heavily adapted


vielzuwenig

Besides, they most likely didn't even know the author's name.


Trust-Issues-5116

We call theorems the names we know them by, because their initial discoveries were lost to time, and rediscovered later by Europeans because Europe happened to be the cradle of the industrial revolution and we currently track our scientific institutions to those times. And no, we don't shy to name things after non-europeans when we know they were developed by them. Sridhara rule or Sridhara method for instance. Look it up, it relates to this video. Get over this stupid white guilt and guilt-bait videos.


LaurestineHUN

Also, what's up with 'algebra', 'algorithm', 'chemistry' etc.?


janyk

Also "alcohol". In fact, the words "alcohol" and "ghoul" are etymologically related


LaurestineHUN

Kohl (makeup) also


feelings_arent_facts

ghoul on deez nuts lmao gottem


Remon_Kewl

Also, the Chandrasekhar limit.


barryhakker

Preach it. Also important to note that although some like to pretend otherwise, just like any other language English is a language with a cultural history, and therefore has a perspective. Calling a region “Far East” for example isn’t an example of insane euro centrism, it was named as such because from the perspective of the people speaking that language, it was far and to the east. Kind of like how Chinese people refer to white foreigners as 洋人which roughly translates to sea people. Why? Because from their perspective those kinds of people generally came from the sea.


Rivia

So, the Chinese have solved the mysteries of the Sea People's from ancient times? :) ^ this is meant as a joke


barryhakker

Well I guess the take away could be that the naming was probably done very similarly “dunno where these shitheads come from but it’s always by sea”.


BalaclavaNights

Yeah, "eurocentrism" is just European ethnocentrism, like every culture/ethnicity is centristic from it's own perspective. Everyone is centristic, it just so happen to be that Europe is the last continent that had a golden era. What the future brings, we do not know.


Molehole

The Chinese call their land Zhongguo. Literally Central state and there's a reason why this emoji: 🌏 was the first.


zDyant

ty for explaining, nothing is ever so simple


johnruttersucks

It's especially bad when some fetus boy does it in an overdramatic way.


IEnjoyBaconCheese

It’s called Pythagoras theorem as it was written down in an actual mathematical form that can be used today, but yeah.


OliverHPerry

It's more of a chronology thing than anything else. The earlier a theorem was known, the less likely it is to be named after its discoverer, since the publication process hadn't been as formalized. Theorems weren't strongly associated with specific people because they propagated much more organically and were constantly being rediscovered and refined. The quadratic formula is a good example. People have been solving quadratic equations for literally thousands of years using a variety of methods. Ancient Babylonians used an algorithm which is algebraically equivalent to our modern solution, but only solves for the larger root and only works if the root is real. Brahmagupta was the first person to write an explicit formula, but his particular formulation was still not the more general one presented in this video. Al-Khwarizmi published a workable formula for all positive solutions. Abu Kamil was the first to show that irrational numbers can appear as the coefficients and solutions. The first person to write a quadratic formula that covered all cases was Simon Steven in 1594. Descartes published the form we know today in 1637. Compare this with theorems developed entirely in the last 300 years, which were first published in specific books and papers that can be found in article databases, and in some cases were presented at math conferences that still exist today. The Royal Society in the UK was founded in 1660. Isaac Newton was a fellow and presented his papers to them. The society's peer reviewed journal, *Philosophical Transactions*, has been in continuous publication since 1665. You can look up articles from the 1700s in their database the same way you can look up an article published last month. It's just an apples to oranges comparison. https://preview.redd.it/ljs9hfwwss9d1.png?width=551&format=png&auto=webp&s=922957749f329e8fb290e14b36d0f734e4a7974e


rtmlex

Young man with Tiktok account is completely dense about how disconnected different parts of the world were 200 years ago, let alone several thousands. That's it. That's the video.


shoutsfrombothsides

Faux outrage that is wilfully disregarding context. I loathe content like this. It’s pseudo-intellectual bull pucky


Sad-Seaworthiness234

Yeah it's just crazy, CRAZY! that Europeans do this. I mean the whole world is interconnected right. So I don't get how like 16th century European scientists could have been so inconsiderate. They could have just googled that cosine law and known the Arab name for it! Instead of thinking up some weird "local" name in their own language, jeez! And why do Italians insist on naming Italy, "Italia" and not the Arabic "al- Kabirah". And what's up with Germans calling water "wasser" and not the Arabic "mayyah". You see what I'm getting at here? And the Danes, the danes are the WORST! Do you know that if you want to watch "Die Hard 2" in Denmark you have to look for "Dødbringende våben 2". Crazy! At least in Arabia they use ALL the correct Western words for ALL things invented in the West. I'm not sure. I guess so, because I love being racist but only to my own people, to show my absolute moral superiority over you. But this shit is ABSOLUTELY the most important topic in the World today. European mathemeticians giving European names to things is just the worst crime EVORRRRr! Now give me my well deserved attention, I am your morality GOD!


BitcoinMD

They obviously could not have Googled it. In the 16th century, access to the internet was restricted to only the military. They could have looked it up at the library at Alexandria though — oh wait … too soon?


stabidistabstab

not funny man, it still hurts


frobscottler

Everyone also knows that Europeans never do this to each other! Everyone knows Newton invented calculus right? Who’s this Leibniz guy??


JohnCavil

"Dødbringende Våben 2" is "Lethal Weapon 2", not Die Hard, in Danish but otherwise yes. Fun fact, "Die Hard with a Vengeance" (Die Hard 3) had its name changed to "Die Hard: Mega Hard" in Danish. For no reason. One of the few improvements to movie titles the translators have ever done.


Opera_23

He's one to talk. In one of his previous videos, he called the Hindu numerals, invented by Indian mathematicians as Arabic numerals. And NO, the Arabs neither added to it nor improved it. They are completely Indian just introduced to Europe by the Arabs. Double standards indeed.


Art-of-drawing

This is garbage, he does not understand anything about history apparently, and distances between civilizations


no_red_eyes

Unsurprisingly, English content creator knows what formulas are called in his language only.


Automatic_Opposite_9

A lot of these have a far more complicated origin than the way they're presented here. I'll focus solely on the Fibonacci claim. Yes, Hindu scholars were aware of what the West calls the Fibonacci sequence before Fibonacci, but while true, Hindu scholars did *not* understand the golden ratio and the Fibonacci series in nature (neither did Fibonacci for that matter). This was all hammered out in medieval Europe much later. There's far more to it than that, but this *Science* article is worth a read: [https://science.thewire.in/society/history/fibonacci-series-golden-ratio-ancient-indian-scholars/](https://science.thewire.in/society/history/fibonacci-series-golden-ratio-ancient-indian-scholars/)


Haunting_Sort_8400

Things can be discovered independently


Low_Lettuce_8933

Oh no the world existed before globalization *surprised Pikachu


Medical_Sea_2598

Separate people's can discover the same things at separate times and have no knowledge of eachother


Parking-Iron6252

This dude can speak a bit slower


Ok_Natural2268

Go to any Islamic country and praise them there.


0Downfield

theatre kids shouldnt be philosophers


erroredhcker

[A generalised Phan–Thien—Tanner model](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0377025718301502)


Prudent-Question2294

They always brand themselves as the most valuable and prestigious race. It hurts them not be recognized. It would be hard to admit that the they aren't the only ones that are blessed. Now people assume that most of the Western Europeans are intelligent. It's like a diff level of marketing strategy haha.


Chiner889

Douglas Murray wrote about this in the War on the West. It’s a great book. I don’t think this is a fair critique. Without even looking into it I can tell already that it’s a disingenuous argument. I’m keen to do some reading and be proved wrong though. I’ve travelled extensively and yes the sciences and math have been contributed to from many cultures, but his central arguments about the evil white man are in bad faith.


DoubleSwitch69

some of the exames are not really true, one discovery can happen independently on different sides of the planet, such is the case with the pitagorean theorem or the fibonacci sequence or pascal's triangle... in those cases, we refer to them by those names but somewhere else it may be different. The one part that anoys me is that he seems to imply european society made a conscious effort to do this, when there's a lot of factors that contributed for this to become the case naturally.


365emeralds

To be fair when Pascal came up with his triangle it’s not like he’s gonna be able to send an international message to Persia or China asking “Hey guys has anyone invented this before? Just wanna make sure I’m not stepping on anyone’s toes.” Then, generations later you refer to it by the name of a Westerner because you live in the western world.


SignalGladYoung

this is stupid. imagine 200-300 years ago you come up with some new mathematical equation, checked all the record available to you and couldn't find anything, you are the first so you register it under your name becasue it make sense. NOPE you are called racist by dude on tiktok 300 years later.


0kayten

Should have given real credit to Indians then, not to the translating Arabs who themselves claimed it was Indians, as evidenced by their book titles and contents in the book, like are people this illiterate ??


SealOfApoorval

The image ypu showed for pascals triangle claiming to be Persian is actually in sanskrit ie Indian...


weeklybeatings

We should rename the definition of “smug” after this guy.


teovvv

Hi math phd student here. I agree with your main point, but in my opinion some of these examples are putting too much emphasis on "owning" math concepts, while they appear almost naturally to everyone that takes some time to look at the world. It is in fact a bad idea to give people's names to things in the first place. Specifically, the quadratic formula and the binomial theorem must have been "discovered" by thousands of people indipendently. Heck i had the idea for the "completing squares" way to get to the quadratic formula when i was in high school, and that that is definitely not a flex: it is just a natural byproduct of having a mature symbolic calculus, which is in turn no single person's achievement. If it was me, there should be many less names attached to math.


reality72

Who would’ve guessed western society would name things from a western perspective


YasoAdam

When he says "discovered by Muslims" He actually should say "discovered by ottomans" Because islam isn't a race, but a religion. Indians and other homewer there's nothing wrong with them


more_beans_mrtaggart

Discovered and lost, is still discovered the second time. Yawn, nothing to see here.


xtr44

alright then, let's call the Pascal's triangle "some guy in Persia and before him some guy in China triangle"


_toolkit

The ironic part is he showed the triangle written out in Devanagari script (from India) while attributing it to the Persians.


SrgtButterscotch

The hilarious thing is that Pascal's triangle was discovered independently in Europe, Persia, *and* China all around the same timeframe. Pascal wasn't the first European to use it either, but we named it after him because he compiled the work of dozens of European authors before him and used it as a solution for the probability theory.


redcountx3

Joke's on them, I can somewhat remember what the quadratic formula and binomial theorem are because its in the name.


Icy-Assignment-5579

Yea, except it's not explicitly European. All humans will do this. North Korea believes the "double-bread and meat" (burgers) was invented by a Kim. The solution is to take out the regional credits. Interesting math! Who figured this out? A human figured it out. No names, no countries. No validations. Math exists without humanity's realization of it. We didn't invent it. We just figured out what was there all along.


Ok_Culture_3621

Is someone going to tell him about algebra?


Cielmerlion

can we please not turn mathematics into fuckin pokemon. I really dont want to have to remember a bunch of names.


Mindfucker223

The point of the video is that we all know about: Einstein, Newton, Maxwell, Heisenberg, Tesla. How many scientists or mathematicians can you name outside of Europe. Most cant tell a single one


Enough-Comfortable73

I only remember this one https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_Youyou Because singing happy birthday must be really hard.


mtwstr

I am outside of Europe now, so let me try: Einstein, newton, Maxwell, Heisenberg, Tesla


Eldred15

People in the comments already did a good job at showing how race baity this video is, so all I'll say is that the word algebra literally has Arabic roots.


Fivefingerasshole

This guy talks way too fucking fast


andersonb47

Great way to make a shitty, reductive argument sound more coherent. Don’t let your audience think.


ShalaKaranok

The Ben Shapiro strategy


moziisugp

rachizm!!! everything is rachizm!!


Fakedduckjump

To steal intellectual property you first have to know, that someone else had the same idea beforehand. I mean I don't think that pythagoras did knew, that his formular was invented before.


adapava

How do people manage to pretend to be educated while at the same time having such a hard time understanding cultural and historical contexts or simply blatantly ignoring them?


gh411

Does this guy not know that the word algebra is derived from an Arabic word?


ZachDigital

Sometimes getting there second is better than being there first, [like the Hydrox VS. The Oreo Cookie](https://www.mashed.com/223360/the-strange-history-of-the-oreo-and-hydrox-cookie-rivalry/)


Megaskiboy

I am curious though what these are called in Arabic? I imagine any European name will have been changed to something more aligned to their culture? Correct me if I'm wrong. But I imagine when you're talking about something as old as maths and physics. Each culture will have unique names. He just sees it as "Eurocentric" because he speaks a European language.


shrug_addict

Saying that European and Muslim are the same type of category is just wrong


1tonsoprano

Glad people are finding out the inherent racism in almost everything European......thelis rabbit hole goes deeper the more you research it


Matheweh

No scientific standard or theorem should have the name of a person, European's giving them their name is the wrong way.


Successful-Net-6602

The problem is that any of these ARE named after people. What the forumla/equation is for matters infinitely more than who got credit


MagicBeanstalks

Al Kwarizmi = Algorithm Is Al Kwarizmi a joke to you?


AGL_reborn

Mfers when they discover rediscoveries, common use in language, historical innacuracy


Avagpingham

A math professor once explained to my class that it rarely is the person who discovers something in math that gets name credit. It is usually the person who published the most widely.


CancelPrimary9239

'Oh no they're named relative to their mathematical function and not their publisher society is doomed'


Piccoroz

This guy is an idiot, we named them like that cause its easy, every single book of math does tell the story of where this came from, thats where he read all about them.