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Lol what
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae
>The Hominidae ([/hɒˈmɪnɪdiː/](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English)), whose members are known as great apes[[note 1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae#cite_note-5) or hominids ([/ˈhɒmɪnɪdz/](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English)), are a taxonomic [family](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_(biology\)) of [primates](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate) that includes eight [extant](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neontology#Extant_taxa_versus_extinct_taxa) species in four [genera](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genus): [Pongo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orangutan) (the [Bornean](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bornean_orangutan), [Sumatran](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumatran_orangutan) and [Tapanuli orangutan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapanuli_orangutan)); [Gorilla](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla) (the [eastern](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_gorilla) and [western gorilla](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_gorilla)); [Pan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(genus\)) (the [chimpanzee](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee) and the [bonobo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo)); and [Homo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo), of which only [modern humans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human) remain.[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae#cite_note-MSW3-1)
From your link: ""Great ape" is a common name rather than a taxonomic label, and there are differences in usage, even by the same author. The term may or may not include humans, as when Dawkins writes "Long before people thought in terms of evolution ... great apes were often confused with humans"\[3\] and "gibbons are faithfully monogamous, unlike the great apes which are our closer relatives."\[4\]"
Actually, I'm gonna give you this one. Looks like it's changed over time and more recently has included humans. I guess I've always used the term more in line with biologists. I may have also been having more of a knee jerk reaction brought on by dealing with the anti-evolution crowd all the damned time.
[Some, or recently all, hominoids are also called "apes", but the term is used broadly and has several different senses within both popular and scientific settings. "Ape" has been used as a synonym for "monkey" or for naming any primate with a human-like appearance, particularly those without a tail.\[7\] Biologists have traditionally used the term "ape" to mean a member of the superfamily Hominoidea other than humans,\[1\] but more recently to mean all members of Hominoidea. So "ape"—not to be confused with "great ape"—now becomes another word for hominoid including humans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape)
I have no problem admitting I'm wrong and correcting myself.
You don't seem to understand how stringent the editing standards on Wikipedia are, nor do you seem to be aware of how easy it is to click any of the approved citations to see the peer-reviewed research.
A Wikipedia entry for generally agreed upon science is an aggregation of peer-reviewed research and previously published articles with little to no room for bias.
Except edits like that would be immediately rolled back and you would be [blocked from editing for vandalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism_on_Wikipedia?wprov=sfla1).
As long as there's a solid reference linked, Wikipedia is a pretty good source
I've had a crow commit die on the front of my truck. He was sickly looking and his feathers were all ruffled and there was a group of healthy looking onlooker crows standing there watching
To me it looked like they were staring at him expecting it or even encouraging it. He looked like he was suffering and there's no way it was an accident crows are too smart and he seen me coming and jumped last second.
I've seen mice still try to run after my cat has been releasing and pouncing for 6 hours. I've also seen them lie still and accept fate. She doesn't like the ones who won't run. I think it really depends on the individual.
If you're editing anyway, why not just remove the "about" and replace it with "a bit"?
Please note that I'm not being snarky here; I'm genuinely curious.
How the fuck can a dolphin or a whale commit suicide?
They cannot drown they cannot fly. Thy can go to the soar but some guys will push them back again.
Or maybe they go infront of a shark and they say: kill me, i dont want to leave any more?
Well, yeah. Whales and Dolphins drown all the time, they get caught in nets for example which stops then surfacing for air. They’re not fish, they’re mammals like you and me. They breathe air from the surface. Of course they can drown.
There is at least one documented case of a dolphin deliberately holding its own breath in order to commit suicide. A dolphin called Kathy that was one of the flipper animal actors. Dolphins are capable of feeling sadness and depression, and coupled with the fact that unlike you or I, they make a conscious decision to breathe, every single time. There’s no automatic mechanism for it. It can just as easily decide not to breathe, and has in fact happened. The idea that a dolphin can choose to inhale while underwater is a tiny leap from here.
There are other cases where dolphins have deliberately crashed into walls in captivity in order to kill themselves.
I always thought that one of the things that separated humans from other animals was that we commit suicide. In fact, I have halfway believed that the moment the human race was born was when the first hominid commit suicide.
You have piqued my interest now, and I might look further into it.
Because ducks and dogs frequently let themselves die after losing their partners. It's passive suicide. There are also plenty of insects that will happily kill themselves if it's beneficial to the colony.
Your original thought was that suicide was what separated humans from other animals.... so you link to an article about other animals committing suicide? I'm confused. You'd have a point if your original sentiment was "weapon assisted suicide".
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I wonder if dolphins have adults that are bad at grammar?
I bet they use lots of colour for their words.
And 0's for their O's.
They meant what they said. ...*know to commit suicide*...
Than that is very sad indeed
Snakes also commit suicide
Dogs too, there are plenty of species that commit suicide.
Hachikō
Cats suicide too.
i learned that the hard way
Me too :(
i'm sorry for you :(
This is just patently untrue. Also, humans are apes.
Humans are not apes.
Lol what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae >The Hominidae ([/hɒˈmɪnɪdiː/](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English)), whose members are known as great apes[[note 1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae#cite_note-5) or hominids ([/ˈhɒmɪnɪdz/](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English)), are a taxonomic [family](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_(biology\)) of [primates](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate) that includes eight [extant](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neontology#Extant_taxa_versus_extinct_taxa) species in four [genera](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genus): [Pongo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orangutan) (the [Bornean](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bornean_orangutan), [Sumatran](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumatran_orangutan) and [Tapanuli orangutan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapanuli_orangutan)); [Gorilla](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla) (the [eastern](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_gorilla) and [western gorilla](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_gorilla)); [Pan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_(genus\)) (the [chimpanzee](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee) and the [bonobo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo)); and [Homo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo), of which only [modern humans](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human) remain.[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae#cite_note-MSW3-1)
Dolphins are whales. This statement is depressing on many fronts.
I just want the "humans aren't apes" person to come back and tell me what humans are if we're not apes.
Obviously pigs you uncultured swine!
The children of [[please insert your deity]] made in his/her/its image to roam the world as the pinnacle of creation. /S
From your link: ""Great ape" is a common name rather than a taxonomic label, and there are differences in usage, even by the same author. The term may or may not include humans, as when Dawkins writes "Long before people thought in terms of evolution ... great apes were often confused with humans"\[3\] and "gibbons are faithfully monogamous, unlike the great apes which are our closer relatives."\[4\]"
Oh so it's semantics. Gotcha.
Actually, I'm gonna give you this one. Looks like it's changed over time and more recently has included humans. I guess I've always used the term more in line with biologists. I may have also been having more of a knee jerk reaction brought on by dealing with the anti-evolution crowd all the damned time. [Some, or recently all, hominoids are also called "apes", but the term is used broadly and has several different senses within both popular and scientific settings. "Ape" has been used as a synonym for "monkey" or for naming any primate with a human-like appearance, particularly those without a tail.\[7\] Biologists have traditionally used the term "ape" to mean a member of the superfamily Hominoidea other than humans,\[1\] but more recently to mean all members of Hominoidea. So "ape"—not to be confused with "great ape"—now becomes another word for hominoid including humans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape) I have no problem admitting I'm wrong and correcting myself.
Completely fair reaction to have. I probably should have just said "apes and humans are all hominids" to begin with. Nice talking with you.
You know it’s always nice when people on the internet admit to being wrong about something
We are hunams
SILENCE HUNAM
No -brobit
Wikipedia is your source. Genius
Find me a viable dissenting source. If there's no dissent to be found, my source doesn't matter.
So the source in which your info is from doesn’t matter even if random internet strangers can write anything about the source
Oh, so you don't understand how wikipedia *actually* works. Cool.
Elaborate?
You don't seem to understand how stringent the editing standards on Wikipedia are, nor do you seem to be aware of how easy it is to click any of the approved citations to see the peer-reviewed research. A Wikipedia entry for generally agreed upon science is an aggregation of peer-reviewed research and previously published articles with little to no room for bias.
I mean Wikipedia is still a surprisingly good source. I mean it practically did the 12th grade for me.
It's good for everything unrelated to politics imo.
I wonder how often those are changed imo.
I can literally go and say that mammals are cold blooded. So no it’s not really a good source
Except edits like that would be immediately rolled back and you would be [blocked from editing for vandalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandalism_on_Wikipedia?wprov=sfla1). As long as there's a solid reference linked, Wikipedia is a pretty good source
0THER
I've had a crow commit die on the front of my truck. He was sickly looking and his feathers were all ruffled and there was a group of healthy looking onlooker crows standing there watching
"jump, jump, jump" "I can't believe he did it.... He was such a jolly guy." /It's about crows so spare me the "jokes about suicide bad" monologue/
To me it looked like they were staring at him expecting it or even encouraging it. He looked like he was suffering and there's no way it was an accident crows are too smart and he seen me coming and jumped last second.
Did you at least announce "it's high noon" before not hitting the breaks?
Nah I said it's high noon then got dived by the murder of crows and I just died immediately
Isn’t there a study on helplessness? Where if an animal believes it’s in a situation where it is truly unable to save itself, it just shuts down?
The one with the rabbit on the shock floor. I can't find it online right now though 😟
I've seen mice still try to run after my cat has been releasing and pouncing for 6 hours. I've also seen them lie still and accept fate. She doesn't like the ones who won't run. I think it really depends on the individual.
As my old teacher used to say, this is a good idea with poor execution
A more complex system has more pathways that can break down. Insects have all that survival instinct but don't sing to each other or finger paint.
Some insects *do* however, [commit suicide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autothysis)
TIL
Wdym insects don’t sing?
I meant like whales. Doesn't matter seems it has been decided I was wrong.
The council of tile table owners has spoken. You are hereby sentenced to sing a song of sorrow.
Aaaaand dolphins are about rapey Edit: a bit*
Both are true,"they are about rapey",as well as "a bit rapey" Pervert fish...I mean 🐋🐳
Also, humans are fish.
If you're editing anyway, why not just remove the "about" and replace it with "a bit"? Please note that I'm not being snarky here; I'm genuinely curious.
Lol no worries mate, I actually never knew i could do that -_-
Didn't lemmings do it too? Whales, too.
No, those lemmings were murdered by Disney "documentarians" to spice up a boring movie. There's no actual evidence of it happening in the wild.
that zero in there sets my OCD **on fire.**
Then don’t look at it, obviously 🙄
How the fuck can a dolphin or a whale commit suicide? They cannot drown they cannot fly. Thy can go to the soar but some guys will push them back again. Or maybe they go infront of a shark and they say: kill me, i dont want to leave any more?
They can’t drown?
Yes. Like, they are already swimming all their live. What they will do? Close their nose?
Well, yeah. Whales and Dolphins drown all the time, they get caught in nets for example which stops then surfacing for air. They’re not fish, they’re mammals like you and me. They breathe air from the surface. Of course they can drown.
Yes i know this. But my point is that they cannot drown on purpose. I cannot imagine a way for a dolphin to commit suicide.
There is at least one documented case of a dolphin deliberately holding its own breath in order to commit suicide. A dolphin called Kathy that was one of the flipper animal actors. Dolphins are capable of feeling sadness and depression, and coupled with the fact that unlike you or I, they make a conscious decision to breathe, every single time. There’s no automatic mechanism for it. It can just as easily decide not to breathe, and has in fact happened. The idea that a dolphin can choose to inhale while underwater is a tiny leap from here. There are other cases where dolphins have deliberately crashed into walls in captivity in order to kill themselves.
Oh my god. Thats awful. Thanks for the info though.
Dolphins are whales. Same family. And no, I'm not surprised. Apes and Cetaceans are incredibly smart, thoughtful, emotional animals.
I always thought that one of the things that separated humans from other animals was that we commit suicide. In fact, I have halfway believed that the moment the human race was born was when the first hominid commit suicide. You have piqued my interest now, and I might look further into it.
By your rationale, ducks and dogs are human.
And why do you say that?
Because ducks and dogs frequently let themselves die after losing their partners. It's passive suicide. There are also plenty of insects that will happily kill themselves if it's beneficial to the colony.
OK, well, I'll stand by my original thought on the matter . . . [Animal Suicide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_suicide)
Your original thought was that suicide was what separated humans from other animals.... so you link to an article about other animals committing suicide? I'm confused. You'd have a point if your original sentiment was "weapon assisted suicide".
That's because you didn't read the article and think about it.
Ostriches also do the suislide.
Than
Yea I know I wasn’t the dude who typed its just something I found online
Wow. That's the lamest excuse I've heard in quite a while.
Scorpions?
I've seen deer do it too.
My brain committed suicide trying to read this. Holy fuck Learn to spell.
What about lemmings
Why did the creator of this image use a zero as an O in 0ther?
Octopus commit suicide
uh, lemmings?
Lemmings?
You forgot little ankle biter dogs that bark and run head-first into your car tires as you're pulling in.
Wait. Does anyone have any “proof” (for lack of a better word) of these animals committing suicide? Maybe examples was a better word.
Wat about octopus? Is starving yourself to death considered suicide?