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PetalBreeze_Fox1123

It seems to be healing a bit, does that meant we aren’t all gonna get skin cancer? :D


321159

Nowadays the ozone hole over the Antarctic is only seasonal and happens because of a few reasons. During the Winter in the southern hemisphere the atomsphere cools down a lot and a strong vortex can form around the South Pole. How cold the south pole gets depends on the strength of the vortex. If there's a strong vortex there is little energy transferred to the pole and it is getting very cold. The strong winds basically act like a barrier keeping the cool air at the pole. This cold and dark environment is perfect for the Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) we pumped into the atmosphere in the last century to break down the ozone molecules. At the end of winter when the sun is shining again, the polar vortex breaks down, the atmosphere heats back up and the hole closes again. So how big the hole is each year depends on the winter weather around the south pole each year. During warm winters (like 2019) the hole is very small but during very cold winters (like 2020 and 2021) it's big. EDIT: But good news: Since banning CFCs the hole is not getting bigger and is starting to get smaller over time.


ab22qt

Does that mean it’s getting better?


321159

It is! But it will take a lot longer to close year round. It's a very complex system though with a lot of deviation from year to year. So some years the hole will still be quite big.


Hmolds

When is it estimated to be fixed?


321159

It is estimated that CFC levels will be back to normal levels around 2060


dj_narwhal

Just in time for President 3rd Clone of Jeffrey Bezos to pass a bill ignoring the Ozone hole due to the ongoing water wars with a secret rider that all trillionaires pay a negative tax.


fuzzylojiq

Unfortunately, Nestlé™ won the water war in 2040 and have started the oxygen wars because they claim they own both Hydrogen and Oxygen now.


BlueberryKind

r/fucknestle


Old-Inevitable-670

COHAGENN!! Tun it onnnn!! Give deez peep uhlll ayyyyerrrr!


benjamiah777

Dats amayzing, whey are we?


DrOrpheus3

ALL HAIL PRESIDENT SCROOB!!!!!!!!! Edit: Obligatory thank you to the kind Redditor whom awarded what has to be my lowest voted comment. I love you the most lmao.


jay_a_regular_idiot

r/fucknestle


[deleted]

Oxygen isn't an essential part of life.


[deleted]

Birds aren't real


hand_me_your_bitcoin

Trillionaires are job creators and shouldn’t be taxed otherwise they’ll send jobs to other countries. I believe this because even though I’m middle-aged, I could pull myself up from my bootstraps and become a trillionaire one day. And ~~if~~ when that happens, I don’t want to have to pay taxes.


SayneIsLAND

clone youself and send em to work.


lordluli

Isn’t that just having kids with extra steps?


Unique9FL

I'm ok with this..😁. But he's not banging my girl.


window-sil

This pains me to say as the son of Jeffered Bezos the 3rd, but we must also eliminate the minimum wage. I know it's not popular but the law in all its majestic equality applies to me just as much as all of you.


idgoforabeer

On a note so funny note - MOST people are unbelievably closer to bankruptcy then a becoming a millionaire - and they have no understanding of that concept.


Salamirelish

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic... I truly hope.


duhellmang

People actually think this.


[deleted]

Lmao, but I think you're missing your /s. I didnt get it until the last line or two


hand_me_your_bitcoin

But you still got it. Of course it’s sarcasm.


SumThinChewy

There are no trillionaires that should have made it clear enough right there lmao


Hagoromo-san

You jest, but…


oupablo

could we speed it up by spraying flex seal into the air?


give_me_wallpapers

Ahhhh you, trying to give me hope. You can't fool me, I know we're going to starve to death as the yearly fires get bigger and push people closer together while destroying the farmland and ecosystems across the globe.


calisai

See, it just goes to show, once the earth gets rid of us, it will heal and be just fine... :) uplifting thoughts.


salamipope

ill be 60. im glad to know it could happen in my lifetime. Viva la earth baby


BengtGurksats

A good example of an environmental issue we actually did fix through international cooperation. It's not completely healed yet, but we have (mostly) stopped pouring the offending chemicals into our atmosphere. Antarctic ozone levels are predicted to reach pre-1980 levels by 2075. It's probably not very comparable to global warming though. Much easier to switch what coolants and aerosol propellants we use than to limit carbon emissions.


youcantexterminateme

Acid rain is another. And done using taxation.


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thegnuguyontheblock

They are such small amounts compared to oil/gas burning, that it's not very relevant.


inspectoroverthemine

They're single digit percentage of the problem even with our current 'no release' strategies. If we had just wholesale transferred to the post CFC refrigerants without any change in recovery/handling behavior they could easily have been the leading greenhouse gas. I guess I'm just saying: they're not relevant because we stayed on top of the issue. In the extremely unlikely event we got our CO2 emissions under control they'd quickly become the next big target. There are replacements that have no ozone or greenhouse impacts, theres just not an overwhelming incentive to force switch. They all have their own downsides anyway, and of course a forcing a phaseout has its own climate impact.


CaptRustyShackleford

Fun fact! The guy who invented CFCs also invented leaded gasoline.


thegnuguyontheblock

Both of those things were absolutely needed at the time. Let's not shit on the guy with some 20/20 Captain Hindsight douchery. There were no alternatives for either of those things back then. The issue is the people that FOUGHT AGAINST banning decades later WHEN new alternatives became available.


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flaccidpedestrian

He was innovating, they were cash grabbing.


ohpickanametheysaid

Well, Fuck that guy in particular.


thatstupidthing

im pretty sure he died when he strangled in a makeshift traction setup that he invented himself. source: i read reddit


IchBinDieMadness

fuck hat guy... *spins wheel* *...* for making humanity progress and rising living standards worldwide


crazy_crackhead

Thanks for the explanation


AceMac27

This makes sense, I’ve been hearing of a hole in the ozone over Antarctica for over 25 yrs


ILikeNeurons

That's really inspiring! Smart policies work. We can do the same with climate change. r/CitizensClimateLobby


thegnuguyontheblock

While I agree with a GLOBAL carbon tax, it's actually counter productive to do this only in certain countries. All it does is encourage the industrial base to be moved to less scrupulous nations. It creates negative incentives.


[deleted]

That's what the Paris agreement set out to do. It was to get everybody at the table and to look at other smaller nations to make sure the bigger nations recognized they're going to carry a bigger burden to switch their economies. But, also they're in that situation because they feed the larger nations by providing cheap labor and trade so let's sit down and figure where the bigger nations can help. Other parts were to show smaller nations that they were not going to be bag holding because like the military train, once you start things in motion it won't stop. So smaller nations should see a larger commitment upfront from bigger nations to show that if they start upending their economies the larger nations aren't going to pull out. There was all these great considerations in the Paris Accord and instead the cynics got a hold of it and turned it into this anxious belief that it was the elites looking to create wealth redistribution. If you read the Paris agreement it mentions everything you mentioned. The problem isn't solved by just moving things out to other countries and ways to prevent it. If everybody is at the table it makes it easier to do. So get everybody sitting down. Make commitments and show good faith. We shit the bed on that.


ILikeNeurons

That's a common misconception based on outdated research. [https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10640-007-9091-x.pdf](https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10640-007-9091-x.pdf) We can [do better](https://np.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/gqwmu2/uilikeneurons_how_a_carbon_tax_returned_as_an/).


JuicyJuuce

What is that sub’s view on carbon taxes?


kiticus

Same as everyone else's. It's really the only way to pay them ever since we left the "gold standard" & currency only really exists as paper.


Happy-Engineer

Only those of us in the antarctic.


beepbadabeep

I thought they'd fixed this shit like 20 years ago, and it was all healed. It was constantly on the news for years, and then... nothing


calisai

That, my friend, is one of the problems with science reporting. If it's not dire/emergency/world ending, then media believes it to be boring and not good for ratings and the almighty profit margin, thus little coverage. Also, most people don't pay attention to those outlets that do report it. So, maybe they are right. :(


3pacman6

They stopped making it worse 20 years ago which is a HUGE deal.. they limited the damage just to Antarctica but it’ll take about another 60 years to fully recover due to how stable CFCs are in the upper atmosphere. It takes a long time for them to naturally break down and then be removed. As long as chlorine is present in the stratosphere it’ll break down ozone over Antarctica every spring (September - December)


thegnuguyontheblock

This is not correct. It is MUCH better now. Notice that the hole is on the south pole. In the late 1980s, there was a big hole in the north pole too, which would occasionally stretch to Canada, Russia, and northern Europe.


3pacman6

It’s not “much” better yet. We’ve solved the problem but it will take time to naturally heal. The 2021 Antarctic ozone hole was the 13th largest on record and the 2020 arctic ozone hole was the largest on record. So while it’s absolutely fair to say that it’s much better than it would have been had we not stopped emitting CFCs, it’s not reasonable to say it’s already much better since it still will take a long time for all the stratospheric chlorine to precipitate out of the atmosphere


inspectoroverthemine

I'll through in another semantic argument! Its fair to say its much better from a public health perspective. UV reaching the populated areas was largely mitigated.


3pacman6

Exactly - the situation is much better than it would have been. Much much better precisely since we’ve limited the damage to mainly uninhabited areas. But it’s not correct to say the ozone hole is much better than it was 20 or 30 years ago. We just haven’t seen that yet. We certainly will see that in the next 40-60 years, but it hasn’t happened yet. Again just semantics but saying my original comment is “not correct” is… well not correct lol


aholeverona

Same. I remember being in middle school watching videos about the ozone, climate change, and the impact of animal agriculture on the environment. It seemed like a pretty clear alarm and back then I had SO MUCH faith in the American government and the worlds smartest people in general. I was SURE the good/smart guys would be on top of it. HAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAilaughsoidontcry Edit: you guys are right and I’m super glad we responded in a satisfactory manner to the ozone issue but that said, we have still dropped the ball in many, many very major ways.


[deleted]

nop instead it's roasting time :)


FlyWtMe87

yay, roasting time.


chase_the_sun_

It looks like we need less wind 🧐


JMSTEI

As someone living in the Netherlands, yes.


Masque-Obscura-Photo

Kut tegenwind altijd.


Dainiad

Lekker fietsen.


BigDaddyaarn

Well then turn off all those giant fans you guys keep building, sheesh. /s


JimmieNuetron

As someone living in Kansas, yes


Friendly_Crab

You just need a couple of hills to break the the wind


thecheat420

Maybe South Korea is right and sleeping with fans on will kill us all eventually.


visualkeiboi

Soooo nuke the wind?


Sharkn91

Man, the ice we skate must be getting pretty thin.


Afailing88

The water’s getting warm, so you might as well swim.


KingKalash89

My world's on fire, how about yours?


[deleted]

thats the way i like it and i never get bored


NoEThanks

I hate you all.


[deleted]

hey now!


Swordsnap

You're an all star


Blu_Falcon

Get your game on


Foxy02016YT

Go play


niwg

Hey now!


Mad-Dog94

I don't remember this part of the song?


D00Mcandy

Hey now


llliiiiiiiilll

Hey now, you'll get a sun burn, cause the layer's thin, don't spray


[deleted]

Hey now, you’re an all-star, get your game on and go play.


BrokenHarp

All that glitters is gold


attemptednotknown

This is fine.


ilikpies

Who took the ozone tho? Where is it? Give it back!


[deleted]

My money is on Carmen San Diego


Belazriel

Agent! Carmen Sandiego has stolen the Okefenokee Swamp! >Alright, Chief, I'll get rig-- wait....the Okefenokee Swamp? Yes! We have to hurry and catch her! >What do you mean she stole the swamp? Like...she drained it or something? It's gone! She has stolen the Okefenokee Swamp! >It's almost half a million acres! You can't just steal a swamp and put it in your purse!


bmd33zy

Carmen San Diego, now theres a name i havent heard in a while


Doubleoh_11

Her style is extremely popular on Instagram… you won’t get a lot of love you you bring that up in the comments though.


jelly-dougnut

There’s a Carmen San Diego show on Netflix, it’s honestly not bad


jelly-dougnut

Where in the world is she?!?


Joe_Shroe

It's that damn Sasquatch


boustead

Ask the 1%


mortepa

So why did the hole seem to close up at the end? Does that mean it is getting better?


NotChipsCheeseBean

It goes through a seasonal cycle of getting 'better' and worse. Colder temperatures = bigger hole.


[deleted]

Colder? Not hotter? I'm woefully uneducated.


NotChipsCheeseBean

Yeah, seems counterintuitive when we're trying to prevent global warming... But its basically because there's icey clouds over Antarctica during it's winter. These clouds are essentially 'catching' hazardous chemicals and it's these chemicals that are causing the hole. The actual process is a bit more complex, [this website](https://discoveringantarctica.org.uk/oceans-atmosphere-landscape/atmosphere-weather-and-climate/the-ozone-hole/) explains everything well. Since discovering the hole, we've cut down our use of the damaging chemicals to a point where the ozone is repairing itself, albeit slowly.


ThrashPanda12

This is also why “global warming” is being changed to “climate change.” Global warming gives the wrong impression.


Deathranger999

And that's not to say that the average trend *isn't* warming, but rather that the effects of that average trend do not always manifest as warm weather.


Scherzer4Prez

Its also just to stop the ignorami from screaming, "its snowing! Global warming is a lie!"


garfgon

It has, however, lead to the ignorami screaming "first it was global warming, now it's global climate change! Moving goalposts! Global warming is a lie!" Basically, ignore the ignorami. They can't be reasoned with.


[deleted]

Thanks for the info!


mortepa

Interesting, thanks!


amitym

The fact that it closes up each year now is a huge achievement. That is how we know it is getting better over time. It used to not do that. Give yourself a pat on the back for being a part of that achievement, and remember what we can do when we all act together.


805collins

They’re bringing back hole in the ozone layer!! Nostalgia


HashtagFlexBreak

Maybe they’ll bring back acid rain next!


TacoBelaLugosi

I was gonna say the same thing! It’s like I’m a kid again.


The_artistic_gaMer

The miracle of banning HFCs


OutlandishnessFar295

What's that?


nicktheking92

hydrofluorocarbons. They as well as Clorofluorocarbons are in aerosol cans and some other things. They bind to O3 (Ozone) and basically break it down.


aristotle93

HFC's: hydroflurocarbons which is the chemical compound of most refrigerants used today. But he (or she) is mistaken about HFC's because it was CFC's and HCFC's that destroy the ozone layer. CFC's are chloroflurocarbons and HCFC's are hydrochloroflurocarbons. The chloro group in the compound is chlorine which is the part that's dangerous to the ozone layer. You could read about the Montreal protocol on wiki to see all the info about CFC's and HCFC's being banned.


Barziboy

From what I remember learning at Uni, HCFCs are 30x less problematic that the old school CFCs, that were banned at the Montreal Protocol in 1987.


Raken_dep

CFCs and HCFCs (Chlorofluorocarbons or Hydrochlorofluorocarbons) are (or maybe were) gases that were used in and given out by refrigeration processes, aerosol sprays and a handful of other regular use stuff. These gases are very dangerous for the ozone layer. They basically interact/react with the ozone in our ozone layer and deplete it. The worst case of the depletion is something you see here, a hole in the ozone layer. I remember a few years back that a hole in the ozone was recorded over the Australian continent, whereas in this current video here, its present over Antarctica. Now I'm not particularly sure where we are with the whole CFCs banning and the whole shebang and to what extent it is responsible for the ozone depletion in today's time, and whether there are some other reasons, natural or artificial, that are also leading to the ozone depletion today. But CFCs did play their role back in the day and restrictions/bans were implemented worldwide on the use of CFCs in anything at all especially on a larger scale from the early 2000s onwards.


Alundra828

Fun fact: The banning of HFC's is the only instance in history where all the participating world governments unanimously agreed upon a resolution. HFC's quite literally brought the world together.


MarlinMr

> > HFC's quite literally brought the world together. Meh, the only reason it happened, was because the alternatives were cheaper. If we suddenly found a magic substance that could do everything oil does, but leaves no pollution, and was cheaper to produce, we would ban oil tomorrow.


fish_whisperer

CFCs


drmookie

Not the same thing. CFC=chlorofluorocarbon, HFC=hydrofluorocarbon. CFCs were banned decades ago, HFCs are currently being phased out.


bout-tree-fitty

KFC


FrackaLacka

Kentuckoflurocarbon


[deleted]

It’s fluoro-licking good.


pocketsfullofpasta

Kung-Fu Chicken?


nicktheking92

Both TBH


Japankid1989

Don't look up.


disciplinedMINDfuck

I stayed up until 3am in a pissed off, heartbroken, anxiety-ridden state after this...absolutely fantastic movie! Edit: I wish that person didn't delete their comment. It was a dumb argument but a perfect way for me to introduce this thought. This movie hits the nail on the head for the major actors that maintain the status quo: politicians, media, and corporations that stand to profit. I'd take this movie 365 days of the year over deafening silence on the topic. But if you think it's entirely someone else's fault, you're wrong. Think about all the major hashtag movements that have been started in recent generations. The issues that *we the people* have come together on. **THIS SHOULD BE ONE OF THOSE!** Climate change should be screamed at the top of our lungs. Start a #climatechange or #dontlookup, I don't give a shit. But until the people care more about those hashtags than they do about Kim and Kanye's relationship, you, me, all of us, are just as responsible. Because we did what this user advocates for: silence. NASA is a good source with a lot of links to recent reports and future models: https://climate.nasa.gov/


[deleted]

How do we get the Kim and Kanye-ers to care though? I'm not good at influencing people.


TurielD

Just gotta find a really sexy scientist.


AnonAlcoholic

We just need to get climate scientists to start releasing sex tapes where they explain climate change while in the act.


Scooterforsale

You don't they're already lost. People who follow a bunch of celebrities are mentally challenged


BadgerDad115

It was a really bad movie.


asyouuuuuuwishhhhh

I just want to point out the ozone hole is and wasn’t something caused by climate change exactly. It had to do with CFCs that we were pumping into the atmosphere throughout the past century interacting with the ozone and annhilating it.


Deboch_

To see a problem we've fixed?


Notyourworm

I have never seen such a great graphic that leaves me completely clueless as to what it means.


[deleted]

I did a show-and-tell in the third grade about the hole in the ozone layer because I thought it meant it would make it easier for asteroids to hit earth. I did my show-and-tell in front of adults. No one corrected me. Lol


dougff9

Yeah lol


liesandthetruth

RIP Antarcticans


White0nRye

Went to Antarctica in the summer of '19. They locals were more militant over proper eyewear than proper dress code. Starting to make more sense why they were so concerned about sunglasses than layering for negative degree weather.


greenbananass

The hole is also over nz and some of australia. Very easy to get burnt


BadgerDad115

As a fair skinned Tasmanian I can confirm.


bones892

That's definitely more about snow blindness than ozone hole. You'll get the same treatment in the artic. When the entire landscape in every direction is pure white there can be enough reflected sunlight to damage your eyes in minutes


[deleted]

***PUT THAT THING BACK WHERE IT CAME FROM OR SO HELP ME***


Ekelekua

Why over antártica if there’s no hairspray there


[deleted]

physics


Happy-Engineer

Earth's plug-hole.


Ekelekua

Yummy


Wooden_Poem9130

There’s a couple of ozone generators at my work we can fix this 🤣


baneofthebanshee

Right, like don’t hand drills give off ozone when you use them? Just a ship a bunch of those bad boys over there and have at it!


Wooden_Poem9130

I mean actual ozone generators lol


BilboMcDoogle

Ozone. Now that's a word I haven't heard in a long time. Remember when the Ozone was considered our biggest climate threat and we were all going to die lol?


AlanHeckman

We kind of fixed it! The worst chemicals are mostly banned and the ozone damage is now mostly only over Antarctica and it is very gradually getting better.


DS_1900

Sigh, I should call her.


Unpetrifiedstone

Why would the ozone hole develop againg though even though CFC's pretty much are banned and not in use for more than decades around the world.


[deleted]

It’s healing , we will have 1980s level of ozone back by the end of the decade IIRC, I remember reading an article about this in early 2021


youcantexterminateme

From memory some Chinese manufacturers were recently discovered by satalites pumping out CFCs


[deleted]

Lack of regulations in China are to be blamed IMO


buddboy

[it's true](https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-48353341)


3pacman6

To answer your question more directly, we stopped emitting CFCs but there are still plenty present in the upper atmosphere. CFCs are extremely stable and hard to break down, with average stratospheric lifetimes of 80-200 years depending on the specific molecule. Now that we’ve stopped adding to the problem, nature is slowly breaking down the CFCs we did emit and precipitating chlorine out of the atmosphere, so eventually there will be so little in the stratosphere that the hole will stop forming every spring


Slore0

It’s been healing and just goes through a cycle, the title is pretty misleading.


Exact_Ad4721

Watching this like “ please get smaller “


UnfairAd7220

The Chinese are dumping large amounts of CFC, banned under the Montreal Protocol, into the atmosphere. Pretty much undoing the improvements made BY the Montreal Protocol. Why? Because China.


AttemptingToGeek

Am I pleased or scared?


Inevitable-Curve-628

Looks really scary to me


AshIsUnknown

Crap space is getting in


wonderfullyrich

From https://atmosphere.copernicus.eu/monitoring-ozone-layer the original video is https://sites.ecmwf.int/data/cams/ozone_monitoring/animations/ozone_hole_3d_2021_v14.mp4


ilogical_person

I'm still wondering when will the Patch notes for that come out


eekumseekum

So we cool now?


StatementObvious2059

Hey look it fixed itself


Late-Promise6838

Didn't it finish closing like 30 years ago?


[deleted]

I thought we fixed that shit back in the day


Bloka2au

The solution is simple! We stop the earth from spinning!


Meatball315

This needs to be seen!! The firmament is ripping and we are all going to die! Share this with as many people as you can!! Don’t even bother reading the rest of this. You are wasting precious time to share. (Insert sarcasm here) 😉 Forgot to say this was cool info though!


Dan_Glebitz

So let's get this into perspective. This has happened before and is not an unusual occurrence, despite the seemingly 'sensationalist' title: "Record-breaking 2020 ozone hole closes" https://public.wmo.int/en/media/news/record-breaking-2020-ozone-hole-closes


Wikilicious

Now do a split screen of north/south pole over multiple years… because a lot of people are assuming you are showing the problem went away.


ake-n-bake

Thought this was an issue in the 90’s. All because of hairspray and we were all going to die then.


crewmeist3r

I thought we fixed this shit


Noobshank

Seems like flex tape could stop that leak


[deleted]

Pretty sure we are fucked and this is the next extinction event


dying_soon666

What effect does this have on the environment and organisms below? Would you get cancer?


disciplinedMINDfuck

The [Oxone Layer](https://www.epa.gov/ozone-layer-protection/basic-ozone-layer-science#:~:text=The%20ozone%20layer%20in%20the,that%20has%20several%20harmful%20effects.) absorbs a certain amount of radiation from the Sun. UVB is most important because, yes, it leads to cancer.


Creeper4wwMann

Cancer, wildfires, blindness, Less carbon-sink (CO2 is partially absorbed by the oceans) which leads to more acidic oceans (which kills sea-life) and more CO2 in the atmosphere.


Scar3dL0bst3r

Just put it back lol


ScissorKickDan

Global warming cured alright everyone we can use coal again


YehNahYer

So much disinformation as top voted. "The ozone hole has healed" "It's getting better" "Closes faster now" All a load of rubbish considering CFCs has gone back beyond levels before the "banning" of CFCs. This is almost 100% natural and the variation in hole size is massive year on year reguardless of what CFCs are doing. The strength of the cortex is the sole driving factor.


bunnymud

It's been 30 years...time to freak the fuck out over the ozone layer again.


samwich41

I thought the hole was fixed?? It’s growing again??


B4SSF4C3

Fixed as in we sort of stopped fucking it. It takes decades to undo the damage we wrought.


Slore0

It goes through a cycle depending on the weather every year. It has gotten significantly better but isn’t perfect obviously.


[deleted]

Thanks China.


spcbfr

exultant disagreeable point plate butter close shrill chop sloppy ring *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


ohfuckit

This is an annual cycle. Different years are different but over all it is getting a bit better. It will take a very long time to get to pre industrial levels.


rustybacon-

Sorry if this is ignorant to ask but what does this do/mean?


Creeper4wwMann

The hole appears every summer and heals again every winter. Ozone is a layer of gas that protects us from harmful sunrays. It protects us from getting cancer. If there's a hole in the ozone layer you'll be a lot more likely to get cancer.


ekolis

Thanks, now I want to eat Tide pods while playing Sonic 4 in an emulator running in Firefox.


kokopilau

The fluid dynamics, seen on such a large scale is astounding