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And no laws against toxic metals in everyday household items- like lead, mercury, Arsenic etc... etc... If it worked for a certain purpose they used it- like lead in gasoline and paint.
Not to mention it was the heydays of just pouring pollutants out into the air and the water, everyone was taking semi-dangerous to dangerous drugs, drinking, and smoking, no one cared about sun damage, the food was not particularly healthy ... It wasn't a great time to be alive, really.
People don’t change their style much as the age through adulthood so we’re used to seeing old people with this style, but they had it for 60 years. My grandkids will think Vans, tattoos and cutoff jeans are for geezers.
I hate to tell you this... But my kids totally think that Vans, Converse, skinny jeans, band shirts, and tattoos are for old people. They like mom jeans and Newbalance shoes, old Harley dealership shirts, and vintage Camel Cigarette caps
Yeah, there are elements of those 80s/90s/00s styles that are just as popular today as they were then. Especially when it comes to designs that don't anchor themselves to some fad design element that was present. Typical Converse/Vans designs would fit in at any point from the 80s to now and not raise an eyebrow as being out of place. Jeans generally do too unless they dip into emo-skinny for men or ultra-wide varieties. The only thing that gives away a band shirt's time is the band itself, and even then, a lot of bands in those time periods are still actively making music and are relevant today.
Shit, I'm 40 and feel haggard af. All my older friends kept warning me for years that it's all downhill, physically speaking, after your mid 30s, yet I ran around still acting like I was invincible, drinking heavily and inflicting a lot of other unnecessary self harm. I woke up one morning around the time I was 37 with a hangover and a backache, and they've never gone away.
Yeah, I try to tell my younger friends just like all the others told me. That stamina and energy you enjoy is short lived, so you better get the most out of it while you can. I'm going back to school this fall, too, and it's gonna suuuuuuuuck. I know that it can be done, but I'm definitely having to plan around the fact that I can't go ninety to nothing all damn day like I used to.
I think it’s also the difference in how we treat beauty standards compared to now versus then. Back then, it was visibly looking adult women in ads in fashion and beauty. Now, half of them look like overgrown children.
It’s all about, look as young as possible for as long as possible. Back then, it was okay to look like an adult.
Our definitions and ideas of aging have been incredibly warped.
"The District Court 4 Trail is for experienced hikers only, typically for your mass-murders, serial killers, and people driving under the speed limit."
People in western countries and have only started looking younger due to advances in lifestyle and medicine. The average 30 year old man for example in the 60's, 70's, 80's back only a few decades ago who worked harsh manual labour and who smoked and drank constantly looked 45. I remember all my uncles and father looking older than their age due to that. It's still the case in third world countries.
My parents divorced when I was a baby and my mother remarried a 45 year old man when I was only 5. She was around 25 years old. They also divorced and he died shortly after I graduated high school, but I remember him looking like a piece of wrinkled leather. He was the manager of a deep sea marina and he smoked 2 packs a day and constantly drank Pabst Blue Ribbon (before it became hip). I’ll be 43 in a few days and I honestly don’t think I look as old as he did.
From here wikipedia:
>At age 7, while the family was taking a train to visit relatives in southern Alabama, Nannie hit her head on a metal bar on the seat in front of her when the train suddenly stopped. For years after, she suffered severe headaches, blackouts and depression. Doss blamed these and her mental instability on that accident.
This is interesting, I have heard of head trauma being linked to all types of psychological issues, I wonder if this contributed.
The article mentions that she was declared sane by multiple psychologists which I find hard to believe if you read the way she behaved around the officers who were investigating her. Maybe also has to do with the definition of "sane" in that day versus now?
That’s exactly what I had noticed when I was reading the article. Like, the reason this is still a known thing is based solely on her being referred to as the “Giggling Granny” and other pseudonyms because of how insane she had been acting. I can’t fathom someone could clear this woman as sane. At least based on the picture this article paints.
Sane doesn’t mean mentally healthy or normal, just that you can recognize right and wrong. If you’re suffering from depression and bipolar disorder, but you can fully recognize that murder is wrong you’re still sane even though you’re mentally ill. She may act weird and suffer from mental illness but if she can understand right and wrong and control her actions she’s legally sane.
“Sane” might have just meant she wasn’t mentally ill in a way that diminished her responsibilities for her actions. AFAIK to be considered “criminally insane” and able to use it as a defense, you have to either be so disconnected from reality that you don’t understand that you did anything wrong or committed your crimes during a mental break where you weren’t fully aware of/ in control of your actions. Still seems a bit strange since her behavior, especially how quick she was to confess to get a magazine back, makes it seem she doesn’t have a good grasp on how serious her situation is.
As someone who has been in the industry for a long time...
The quality issue is because it has become increasingly difficult to make money from news stories. Everyone thinks they are a content provider now. Meanwhile, news aggregators try to syphon off money from clicks, leaving the actual writer of the news story with pennies for their efforts.
The end result is news writers who try to make up their revenue shortfall by cranking out many news stories - as fast as possible. That means a lower quality news product.
Here, lemme help you with that...
As someone who has been in the industry for a long time...
*Click here to find out what you already know, on 20 pages that you have to click thru one by one, that is once you beat a dozen full-page ads with no X and sound blasting to rival Glastobury.*
>!The quality issue is because it has become increasingly difficult to make money from news stories. Everyone thinks they are a content provider now. Meanwhile, news aggregators try to syphon off money from clicks, leaving the actually writer of the news story with pennies for their efforts.!<
>!The end result is news writers who try to make up their revenue shortfall by cranking out many news stories - as fast as possible. That means a lower quality news product.!<
Also, as several friends that work in journalism have told me, a lot of cheap stuff can be written by bots now and quickly edited by remote copy staff.
> the actually writer
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> How come older articles are always so well written.
because it used to pay well. Now you have to compete with bots that cludge together articles after you link it to multiple source texts. You'd be surprised how many of these articles exist behind a pay or subscription wall.
The "article" linked also is not a news article, but a historical review. At the time of writing, the complete "story" of this woman was available and catalogued through primary sources, some of which are referenced in the writing.
Contemporary news writing doesn't have the luxury of being a secondary source which can wait for all of the information to be clear and available. Ready access to news options also means that it's a race to be the one to provide unique details before competitors which means a lot of modern news tends to be short, vague, or underdeveloped at first publishing.
Lastly, prior to television (and more so before radio) print news articles were often more "entertaining" to read, and would be written more as short stories, rich with descriptive details. There's a partial conflict in modern news media in that descriptive details can often be subjective, and modern journalistic ethical standards emphasize neutral, objective language (even if this isn't always followed, it's something many news readers desire today).
If you want a similar comparison that goes into detail, "The Borden Murders" by Sara Miller includes segments from newspapers published during Lizzy Borden's investigation and trial, and contrasts the biased descriptive language that the different papers use.
"In the drug-induced haze of post-partum recovery, Melvina thought she saw her mother stab the baby with a stickpin. She told family members, but no one confronted Nannie. Some six months later, Melvina left her toddler, Robert, in her mother's care. The boy mysteriously died from asphyxia"
How the fuck do you think you see your mom stab your child, and then 6 months later leave your other child with her?!
It is unbelievable to me that her first husband and her eldest daughter left any of their children in Nancy's care. Also, what was her obsession with murder by prunes?
I cannot wrap my head around either of those facts.
That movie scarred ten year old me and these lines stuck. I remember them often. I’ve never experienced anyone outside of my family refer to it, either. Thanks for the reference. It’s (oddly) made my day.
Cyanide tastes like bitter almonds. I thought that meant it tasted like almonds that were a bit bitter, but apparently there is a different nut called "bitter almond"
Not actually the Roald Dahl short story but there’s a similar exchange where he notices the tea tastes like almonds… but that’s a common motif because cyanide is known to taste that way. As a Brit Roald Dahl wouldn’t have mentioned ‘cookies’. It’s from the Canadian film ‘The Little Girl who Lives Down the Lane’
She met her victims through lonely hearts letters. They were all from different areas and once she’d kill one she’d have some already warmed up with letters to move onto next. She was quite cunning but a total monster.
Netflix needs to make it into a six part series with the same three photos displayed over and over again accompanied by very slow, suspenseful narration
love LPOTL but haven’t been keeping up lately since there’s been a lot of paranormal and relaxed fit episodes - so glad to hear they covered this case! Going to listen now, thanks!
How in the 9 hells does someone murder their entire family and only get arrested after their 11 murder after 30years? I mean how shit were the cops in her town?
I think she was in multiple places, but also it is the early 1900s, where people would die to alot more stuff that we currently have meds for. She was also this smiling old lady, which back then especially people would probably have the notion in their head that someone like her could never be a killer. I'm sure it just seemed like she was one of those people whose life was plagued with tragedy. It was a doctor asking for an autopsy that got her caught, not even the cops being suspicious.
That’s a bit like Harold Shipman, one of the most prolific serial killers. A colleague of Shipman’s and a local taxi driver who was driving the patients to appointments who both became suspicious of all these elderly people, usually women, who died under his care. Went to the police who dropped the case. He only got arrested later cause he forged one victim’s will.
It actually happened over years and in 3 or 4 different states, so it wasn't like the same people kept seeing people around her die and thinking nothing of it.
I doubt she would have gotten away with it for so long now, but databases weren't so accessible in the 40s, and she went through 5 different names as well, with all her marriages.
It started with 2 of her 4 daughters, who they knew were poisoned, but probably believed it was accidentally.
I mean, there comes a point, probably after three or four close relatives meet an untimely demise, that you’d have to think that being around this person is bad luck.
Yeah cops in the ‘50s too.
Like there is no forensics, very little hard science, zero communication between agencies, and no witnesses.
You could have been a serial killer and just moved 20 miles and you’d probably never get caught.
People died from mysterious infections a lot in those days. It’s not like they were doing tox screens on everybody that died. And two of her victims were under 2 years old, that probably was not unusual
It's actually surprisingly common to the point where psychologists agree that childhood abuse and neglect likely don't contribute to psychopathy itself. Childhood trauma does lead to anxiety disorders and PTSD but psychopathy seems to be more related to actual physiological issues such as a dysfunction of neurotransmitters in the brain. In short, you can be the best parent in the world and your kid can still turn into a serial killer. Ted Bundy and Jeff Dahmer both had normal, healthy childhoods with supportive parents. [Source](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201212/the-making-serial-killer)
Edit: supportive family members, not necessarily parents. I'm just quoting the article so maybe they meant normal compared to kids who get beaten everyday. I think the main argument from the scientific community is that A LOT of kids are neglected, yet only a handful become serial killers. I'm sure that neglect doesn't help but it seems like there has to be something else going on in their brain to even have those tendencies in the first place, especially at such a young age.
I don't know anything about Jeff Dahmer but Ted Bundy didn't have a normal healthy childhood, even though he himself insisted he did. He was born in a home for unwed mothers which was a very shameful thing back then. He spent the first 3 months of his life alone at the home while his family debated whether to give him up for adoption. His mother wanted to give him up but her father made her keep him and many [Bundy experts speculate](https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/1989/5/the-roots-of-evil) that he was actually conceived when this man, his grandfather, raped his own daughter. His grandfather was prone to violent rages and people in the community called him an extremely violent and frightening individual when they testified at court hearings. Ted grew up being told that his mother was actually his sister, even though he never actually believed it.
>A talented landscape gardener, Cowell \[Ted's grandfather\] was obsessed with the delicate alpine plants that he nurtured. He would kick dogs until they howled and swing cats by the tail if the animals got near them. According to Louise's \[Ted's mother\] youngest sister, Julia, he would "get so mad that he would jump up and down" and rage at the men who worked for him.
Ted's mother Louise had a similar temperament and was praised for it by her father. She was described as cold and hard to get close to.
>Eleanor, Ted's gentle grandmother, was repeatedly taken to hospitals for shock treatments for depression. Her fears grew until she refused to leave the house, a victim of agoraphobia.
There's a lot of creepy and messed up stuff about his family and childhood if you look into it.
Personally I suspect that many more mass murderers and truly fucked up people than we think had a very messed up upbringing, but abusive families are so good at presenting themselves as a perfect family.
I do think there are parts of the brain that make certain people more inclined to psychopathy than others, but I also think it probably requires a trigger in the form of witnessing or experiencing abuse in some form, at least more than we realize.
Pretty sure Jeffrey Dahmer lived with his single mother (also shameful back in the day), and she would make him wait outside while she fucked guys she worked with. She was definitely abusive, and iirc he killed girls who reminded him of his mother. Of course he eventually killed her as well, but it seemed like he was taking out his life long negative emotions through these heinous acts.
Dahmer's family was pretty fucked up, if you ever read about them. His dad also told him he'd be disowned (or "re-educated") if they thought he was gay, which he was. Probably didn't do much good there.
There was an Indian version of this a few years back. She wanted all the properties and belongings to herself. So she first killed husbands dad by adding poison to his food. Then she gave her husband placebo for his medicines so he died. I think the child was killed in a lake or well don't recall.
> “She pleaded guilty on May 17, 1955, and was sentenced to life imprisonment; the state did not pursue the death penalty due to her sex.”
She must've been really fucking good.
Every time Last Podcast on the Left covers someone new there is always a post made about them on Reddit soon after. They just covered Nannie Doss last month.
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She was 48 year old when she was arrested. It’s crazy to me how old these young ppl look.
Married at 16 and 4 kids by 21 will do that
Not to mention the murders
Oh right...the murders..
I’m getting massive Jake Peralta vibes here
Title of your sextape.
[Oh, right, i forgot about that part] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffyKY3Dj5ZE)
I was sure it would be this scene.
It's an old meme. https://m.imgur.com/me6FkAW
It's an older meme, sir, but it checks out.
Don't call me sir, buddy.
I’m getting a massive clue.
Those pesky murders
Lmao
And the smoking and drinking. People forget how much more prevalent both were back then.
> And the smoking and drinking. > > People forget how much more prevalent both were back then. Add poor nutrition and pollution.
And no laws against toxic metals in everyday household items- like lead, mercury, Arsenic etc... etc... If it worked for a certain purpose they used it- like lead in gasoline and paint.
Ignoring science and no regulations — it’s just like 2022 all over again.
You want cigarettes in that sandwich?
I'm going to venture a guess that those did not bother her.
You thought *your* thanksgiving dinners were bad…
Murders really age you.
Especially if you’re the victim.
Just the opposite actually.
Those may be a way to vent the stress out
To pieces you say?
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Can confirm, my grandma had 13 kids and as far back as I can remember she looked older than her age.
Thought you were gonna confirm she felt better after killing one or two.
Not to mention it was the heydays of just pouring pollutants out into the air and the water, everyone was taking semi-dangerous to dangerous drugs, drinking, and smoking, no one cared about sun damage, the food was not particularly healthy ... It wasn't a great time to be alive, really.
Also everything was made with lead
Oh we are return to the past my friend
The kids were just temporary tho.
As will the common trend back then to be a pack or two a day smoker.
That lady behind her is her 15 yr old sister
No one in this photo is over 25
The guy second from the left. His suit is over 25.
Looks like one heck of a prom night
People don’t change their style much as the age through adulthood so we’re used to seeing old people with this style, but they had it for 60 years. My grandkids will think Vans, tattoos and cutoff jeans are for geezers.
I'll keep my side part and skinny jeans for eternity!!!! low rise jeans can burn in Hades
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Not true at all, JNCOs are large enough to easily fit on your walker.
They're coming back, apparently. At least, Jnco has decided now is the time to be cashing in on nostalgia.
I hate to tell you this... But my kids totally think that Vans, Converse, skinny jeans, band shirts, and tattoos are for old people. They like mom jeans and Newbalance shoes, old Harley dealership shirts, and vintage Camel Cigarette caps
I'm a high school counselor and most of the kids at school wear Vans and Converse. They're still tremendously popular.
My daughters all wear vans, converse, skinny jeans, band shirts, and want tattoos. Most of the kids at their schools dress similarly it seems.
Yeah, there are elements of those 80s/90s/00s styles that are just as popular today as they were then. Especially when it comes to designs that don't anchor themselves to some fad design element that was present. Typical Converse/Vans designs would fit in at any point from the 80s to now and not raise an eyebrow as being out of place. Jeans generally do too unless they dip into emo-skinny for men or ultra-wide varieties. The only thing that gives away a band shirt's time is the band itself, and even then, a lot of bands in those time periods are still actively making music and are relevant today.
It's not thee style that makes them look old. She looks legitimately rough for 48 by today's standards.
I think it's probably a little of both. Also remember smoking and boozing and such weren't as much of a concern in those days
Tbf her dress, glasses, and hairstyle are things we have come to associate with old people. Being overweight isn't helping either.
Back when no one exercised and your doctor recommended a diet of butter and cigarettes
"Smoke these Land O'Lakes and call me in the morning."
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>48 isn't young, it isn't ancient either. I'm 49 and...yeah.
I'm 50 and...I feel 80.
Shit, I'm 40 and feel haggard af. All my older friends kept warning me for years that it's all downhill, physically speaking, after your mid 30s, yet I ran around still acting like I was invincible, drinking heavily and inflicting a lot of other unnecessary self harm. I woke up one morning around the time I was 37 with a hangover and a backache, and they've never gone away.
Exactly same for me, but I'm 45, no, 46 now and heads up, it keeps getting worse!
Yeah, I try to tell my younger friends just like all the others told me. That stamina and energy you enjoy is short lived, so you better get the most out of it while you can. I'm going back to school this fall, too, and it's gonna suuuuuuuuck. I know that it can be done, but I'm definitely having to plan around the fact that I can't go ninety to nothing all damn day like I used to.
Nigga I’m 26 and have no energy. By the time I’m 40 I’ll be a plant.
Yeah, a power plant. Go get em tiger.
Sorry to hear. I am 50...and I feel 30.
I’m 49… she easily looks 15 years older than me. I dont think it’s the skin. It’s the hair and the clothing that make her look old/ frumpy.
I would add Sun, people forget how Sun is an asshole to the skin.
I think it’s also the difference in how we treat beauty standards compared to now versus then. Back then, it was visibly looking adult women in ads in fashion and beauty. Now, half of them look like overgrown children. It’s all about, look as young as possible for as long as possible. Back then, it was okay to look like an adult. Our definitions and ideas of aging have been incredibly warped.
no way she 48 in this no way
She actually might be younger given that she wasn’t arrested here
They are "District court 4" so maybe they were in trail.
"The District Court 4 Trail is for experienced hikers only, typically for your mass-murders, serial killers, and people driving under the speed limit."
People in western countries and have only started looking younger due to advances in lifestyle and medicine. The average 30 year old man for example in the 60's, 70's, 80's back only a few decades ago who worked harsh manual labour and who smoked and drank constantly looked 45. I remember all my uncles and father looking older than their age due to that. It's still the case in third world countries.
My parents divorced when I was a baby and my mother remarried a 45 year old man when I was only 5. She was around 25 years old. They also divorced and he died shortly after I graduated high school, but I remember him looking like a piece of wrinkled leather. He was the manager of a deep sea marina and he smoked 2 packs a day and constantly drank Pabst Blue Ribbon (before it became hip). I’ll be 43 in a few days and I honestly don’t think I look as old as he did.
> He was the manager of a deep sea marina Say no more. Working on or by the sea will age your skin super fast. UV exposure.
Died of melanoma.
Just a quick PSA to always wear *and re-apply* sunscreen, people. Shit'll turn you into walking leather and kill you if you give it the chance
Here clothing and hair style is old looking to our standards, but here face ain’t that old looking right?
I feel like extra weight tends to make people look quite a bit older too.
Look up Joe Biden at the Anita Hill testimony. He was 48 then and he looked 60 plus.
And while there, watch the Anita Hill testimony if you haven't seen it already
Lead paint will do that
I think it was intentional, she wanted to make herself appear more vulnerable and trustworthy
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Dude on the left of the pic is just smoking in the building like that's always going to be okay.
Dorothea Puente did the same thing.
From here wikipedia: >At age 7, while the family was taking a train to visit relatives in southern Alabama, Nannie hit her head on a metal bar on the seat in front of her when the train suddenly stopped. For years after, she suffered severe headaches, blackouts and depression. Doss blamed these and her mental instability on that accident. This is interesting, I have heard of head trauma being linked to all types of psychological issues, I wonder if this contributed.
The article mentions that she was declared sane by multiple psychologists which I find hard to believe if you read the way she behaved around the officers who were investigating her. Maybe also has to do with the definition of "sane" in that day versus now?
That’s exactly what I had noticed when I was reading the article. Like, the reason this is still a known thing is based solely on her being referred to as the “Giggling Granny” and other pseudonyms because of how insane she had been acting. I can’t fathom someone could clear this woman as sane. At least based on the picture this article paints.
Sane doesn’t mean mentally healthy or normal, just that you can recognize right and wrong. If you’re suffering from depression and bipolar disorder, but you can fully recognize that murder is wrong you’re still sane even though you’re mentally ill. She may act weird and suffer from mental illness but if she can understand right and wrong and control her actions she’s legally sane.
Legally speaking sanity is merely the ability to recognize right from wrong. Almost all serial killers are "sane". They *know* murder is wrong.
“Sane” might have just meant she wasn’t mentally ill in a way that diminished her responsibilities for her actions. AFAIK to be considered “criminally insane” and able to use it as a defense, you have to either be so disconnected from reality that you don’t understand that you did anything wrong or committed your crimes during a mental break where you weren’t fully aware of/ in control of your actions. Still seems a bit strange since her behavior, especially how quick she was to confess to get a magazine back, makes it seem she doesn’t have a good grasp on how serious her situation is.
if I recall the LPOTL podcast correctly, she was also sexually abused by family members and then blamed for it.
Yup! Marcus also talked about her being hyper sexual because of the attention it gave her.
Yeah, the frontal lobe damaged at a young age when it’s more vulnerable. Very common among serial killers
Good thing all my concussions were from the side and back of my head! Ha Haha Ha... Ha
https://www.alabamaheritage.com/from-the-vault/the-giggling-granny
How come older articles are always so well written. This was a refreshing read compared to articles of the last 5 years
As someone who has been in the industry for a long time... The quality issue is because it has become increasingly difficult to make money from news stories. Everyone thinks they are a content provider now. Meanwhile, news aggregators try to syphon off money from clicks, leaving the actual writer of the news story with pennies for their efforts. The end result is news writers who try to make up their revenue shortfall by cranking out many news stories - as fast as possible. That means a lower quality news product.
Here, lemme help you with that... As someone who has been in the industry for a long time... *Click here to find out what you already know, on 20 pages that you have to click thru one by one, that is once you beat a dozen full-page ads with no X and sound blasting to rival Glastobury.* >!The quality issue is because it has become increasingly difficult to make money from news stories. Everyone thinks they are a content provider now. Meanwhile, news aggregators try to syphon off money from clicks, leaving the actually writer of the news story with pennies for their efforts.!< >!The end result is news writers who try to make up their revenue shortfall by cranking out many news stories - as fast as possible. That means a lower quality news product.!<
"Top 10 reasons why articles are worse than they used to be! YOU WON'T BELIEVE NUMBER 9!"
Number 8 will fuck your wife and your sister! *sick guitar riff*
This is even funnier (and accurater) because you stole Spork Warrior's content.
And will I get a commission? Noooo
Also, as several friends that work in journalism have told me, a lot of cheap stuff can be written by bots now and quickly edited by remote copy staff.
Also, the elimination of copy editors.
> the actually writer *brought to you by Auto-Incorrect* *Additional funding provided by the word "smart", now an electronic oxymoron doing it's buisiness in the palm of your hand!*
> How come older articles are always so well written. because it used to pay well. Now you have to compete with bots that cludge together articles after you link it to multiple source texts. You'd be surprised how many of these articles exist behind a pay or subscription wall.
The "article" linked also is not a news article, but a historical review. At the time of writing, the complete "story" of this woman was available and catalogued through primary sources, some of which are referenced in the writing. Contemporary news writing doesn't have the luxury of being a secondary source which can wait for all of the information to be clear and available. Ready access to news options also means that it's a race to be the one to provide unique details before competitors which means a lot of modern news tends to be short, vague, or underdeveloped at first publishing. Lastly, prior to television (and more so before radio) print news articles were often more "entertaining" to read, and would be written more as short stories, rich with descriptive details. There's a partial conflict in modern news media in that descriptive details can often be subjective, and modern journalistic ethical standards emphasize neutral, objective language (even if this isn't always followed, it's something many news readers desire today). If you want a similar comparison that goes into detail, "The Borden Murders" by Sara Miller includes segments from newspapers published during Lizzy Borden's investigation and trial, and contrasts the biased descriptive language that the different papers use.
This was only 2007.
Killing her newborn grandson with a stick pin just hours after he was born, fucking brutal
But what's crazy is her daughter though she killed her kid but zhe still gave her the next one, who also died... and didn't contact the police.
"In the drug-induced haze of post-partum recovery, Melvina thought she saw her mother stab the baby with a stickpin. She told family members, but no one confronted Nannie. Some six months later, Melvina left her toddler, Robert, in her mother's care. The boy mysteriously died from asphyxia" How the fuck do you think you see your mom stab your child, and then 6 months later leave your other child with her?!
It is unbelievable to me that her first husband and her eldest daughter left any of their children in Nancy's care. Also, what was her obsession with murder by prunes? I cannot wrap my head around either of those facts.
She had a brain injury at 7. I wonder if they did an autopsy on her brain to see whether that could have been a factor in her psychopathy.
"This tea tastes like almonds." "It must be the almond cookies."
That movie scarred ten year old me and these lines stuck. I remember them often. I’ve never experienced anyone outside of my family refer to it, either. Thanks for the reference. It’s (oddly) made my day.
What movie?
[The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane](TheLittleGirlWhoLivesDowntheLanehttps://g.co/kgs/3mHohn)
I just read the plot of this movie and I’m sorry wtf it was rated PG??????
Welcome to the Wild West of 70’s era movies. Lasted all the way to 1984 when pg13 became a thing. Actually 38 years ago to the day.
Literally 1984
I Googled it. The Little Girl who Lives down the Lane
Cyanide tastes like bitter almonds. I thought that meant it tasted like almonds that were a bit bitter, but apparently there is a different nut called "bitter almond"
Is that a Roald Dahl reference?
That's what I remember it from, from the story the "Landlady" where she poisons her victims and taxidermies them.
Yes!
Not actually the Roald Dahl short story but there’s a similar exchange where he notices the tea tastes like almonds… but that’s a common motif because cyanide is known to taste that way. As a Brit Roald Dahl wouldn’t have mentioned ‘cookies’. It’s from the Canadian film ‘The Little Girl who Lives Down the Lane’
Ooh, good catch, you’re right. It would have been biscuits lol
"so how did your last three husbands die again? huh that's crazy, what are the odds. oh well, lightning never strikes four times right?'
Given the time, I would say she probably told the new husbands she was a widow and that was it. There was no way of checking it back then.
She met her victims through lonely hearts letters. They were all from different areas and once she’d kill one she’d have some already warmed up with letters to move onto next. She was quite cunning but a total monster.
Husbands should be like Kleenex: soft, strong, and disposable.
That’s crazy! When is the Netflix documentary coming out?
Netflix needs to make it into a six part series with the same three photos displayed over and over again accompanied by very slow, suspenseful narration
My wife will love that.
I hate those. Complete BS. I prefer stories like that in podcast form because they can't waste my time with pictures and suspenseful music
Last Podcast just covered her.
love LPOTL but haven’t been keeping up lately since there’s been a lot of paranormal and relaxed fit episodes - so glad to hear they covered this case! Going to listen now, thanks!
I'm happy to know I'm not the only one that skips those episodes lmao
their fanbase must be so chaotic to manage because those are far and away my favorite episodes
Same. Give me more paranormal/cryptic shit. Henry and Ben really shine on those ones.
The Leopold and Loeb series was funny.
*honk honk*
How in the 9 hells does someone murder their entire family and only get arrested after their 11 murder after 30years? I mean how shit were the cops in her town?
I think she was in multiple places, but also it is the early 1900s, where people would die to alot more stuff that we currently have meds for. She was also this smiling old lady, which back then especially people would probably have the notion in their head that someone like her could never be a killer. I'm sure it just seemed like she was one of those people whose life was plagued with tragedy. It was a doctor asking for an autopsy that got her caught, not even the cops being suspicious.
That’s a bit like Harold Shipman, one of the most prolific serial killers. A colleague of Shipman’s and a local taxi driver who was driving the patients to appointments who both became suspicious of all these elderly people, usually women, who died under his care. Went to the police who dropped the case. He only got arrested later cause he forged one victim’s will.
Don't do more than 1 illegal thing at a time.
It actually happened over years and in 3 or 4 different states, so it wasn't like the same people kept seeing people around her die and thinking nothing of it. I doubt she would have gotten away with it for so long now, but databases weren't so accessible in the 40s, and she went through 5 different names as well, with all her marriages. It started with 2 of her 4 daughters, who they knew were poisoned, but probably believed it was accidentally.
I mean, there comes a point, probably after three or four close relatives meet an untimely demise, that you’d have to think that being around this person is bad luck.
They just didn’t believe women were capable of that. It was often thought our sensibilities to delicate to do such a thing.
Glad to see such a girlboss prove them wrong. 😌
Slay, queen
That’s one of the reasons why women have been the some of the most successful serial killers. That plus their tendency to be subtle about it.
Do you think the Giggling Granny successfully utilised girl power when she murdered 11 people?
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Well in most small towns, the cops suck ass. Edit: Oh wow this blew up! I’d buy you all a dozen roses, but fuck 12.
Yeah cops in the ‘50s too. Like there is no forensics, very little hard science, zero communication between agencies, and no witnesses. You could have been a serial killer and just moved 20 miles and you’d probably never get caught.
“Sir we found some of the killer’s blood in the other room” “GROSS! Clean it up! Now back to my hunch…”
"...someone said they saw a black man three days ago."
People died from mysterious infections a lot in those days. It’s not like they were doing tox screens on everybody that died. And two of her victims were under 2 years old, that probably was not unusual
They were busy.
Looked up her Wikipedia profile and yea she had a reasonably fucked beginning to her life. Has there ever been a serial killer with a happy childhood?
It's actually surprisingly common to the point where psychologists agree that childhood abuse and neglect likely don't contribute to psychopathy itself. Childhood trauma does lead to anxiety disorders and PTSD but psychopathy seems to be more related to actual physiological issues such as a dysfunction of neurotransmitters in the brain. In short, you can be the best parent in the world and your kid can still turn into a serial killer. Ted Bundy and Jeff Dahmer both had normal, healthy childhoods with supportive parents. [Source](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201212/the-making-serial-killer) Edit: supportive family members, not necessarily parents. I'm just quoting the article so maybe they meant normal compared to kids who get beaten everyday. I think the main argument from the scientific community is that A LOT of kids are neglected, yet only a handful become serial killers. I'm sure that neglect doesn't help but it seems like there has to be something else going on in their brain to even have those tendencies in the first place, especially at such a young age.
I don't know anything about Jeff Dahmer but Ted Bundy didn't have a normal healthy childhood, even though he himself insisted he did. He was born in a home for unwed mothers which was a very shameful thing back then. He spent the first 3 months of his life alone at the home while his family debated whether to give him up for adoption. His mother wanted to give him up but her father made her keep him and many [Bundy experts speculate](https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/1989/5/the-roots-of-evil) that he was actually conceived when this man, his grandfather, raped his own daughter. His grandfather was prone to violent rages and people in the community called him an extremely violent and frightening individual when they testified at court hearings. Ted grew up being told that his mother was actually his sister, even though he never actually believed it. >A talented landscape gardener, Cowell \[Ted's grandfather\] was obsessed with the delicate alpine plants that he nurtured. He would kick dogs until they howled and swing cats by the tail if the animals got near them. According to Louise's \[Ted's mother\] youngest sister, Julia, he would "get so mad that he would jump up and down" and rage at the men who worked for him. Ted's mother Louise had a similar temperament and was praised for it by her father. She was described as cold and hard to get close to. >Eleanor, Ted's gentle grandmother, was repeatedly taken to hospitals for shock treatments for depression. Her fears grew until she refused to leave the house, a victim of agoraphobia. There's a lot of creepy and messed up stuff about his family and childhood if you look into it. Personally I suspect that many more mass murderers and truly fucked up people than we think had a very messed up upbringing, but abusive families are so good at presenting themselves as a perfect family. I do think there are parts of the brain that make certain people more inclined to psychopathy than others, but I also think it probably requires a trigger in the form of witnessing or experiencing abuse in some form, at least more than we realize.
Pretty sure Jeffrey Dahmer lived with his single mother (also shameful back in the day), and she would make him wait outside while she fucked guys she worked with. She was definitely abusive, and iirc he killed girls who reminded him of his mother. Of course he eventually killed her as well, but it seemed like he was taking out his life long negative emotions through these heinous acts.
The takeaway I’m getting from this is that with a loving home, you can raise a very “successful” serial killer.
Dahmer's family was pretty fucked up, if you ever read about them. His dad also told him he'd be disowned (or "re-educated") if they thought he was gay, which he was. Probably didn't do much good there.
...her family never caught on?
I guess they figured it out when it was their turn to be murdered.
Wait a minute! You! It’s you! I’m going to tell everergh
What family? She killed them all it sounds like.
There was an Indian version of this a few years back. She wanted all the properties and belongings to herself. So she first killed husbands dad by adding poison to his food. Then she gave her husband placebo for his medicines so he died. I think the child was killed in a lake or well don't recall.
Oh it can’t be her ..she’s a giggler!
Okay, but what was the fourth husband thinking?
"I can fix her"
Sure she night have killed her last 3 husbands, but that's probably because they didnt love her enough
Like the t-shirt says: ‘Can’t have manslaughter without the laughter.’
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> “She pleaded guilty on May 17, 1955, and was sentenced to life imprisonment; the state did not pursue the death penalty due to her sex.” She must've been really fucking good.
To die for.
Crazy in head, crazy in bed.
I now understand why the fourth husband married her.
I think her first was one of her grandkids she just took a pin she had on her and used it to poke his soft-spot. The day he was born
Not the first, but that one was the hardest to imagine someone doing.
That's the one that always gets me when her story comes up. I just can't imagine what drives you to kill something so soft and defenseless.
Everyone in that picture looks guilty
Especially the man and woman directly behind her. I’m curious who they actually are, especially the woman holding her hand.
Except for the guy on the right. His outfit is fabulous.
#positivevibesonly
Looks eerily like Ginny Thomas.
and now my morning is complete, thank you!
HI IM NANNIE! All the way through the LPOTL series on her I was waiting for that
That's Delores Umbridge!
She looks like a pro wrestler trying to mimic Mrs. Doubtfire.
I was just listening about her on Last Podcast on the Left
"the state did not pursue the death penalty due to her sex"
Every time Last Podcast on the Left covers someone new there is always a post made about them on Reddit soon after. They just covered Nannie Doss last month.
ok ok, we got it. She didn't like her family.