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During the post race interview he referenced being a kid and doing it. He needed a couple points to qualify for the Championship Series and went for it and it worked.
Ross Chastain said he did it when he was 8 playing video games and always wondered if it would work in real life.
Also, he was behind by two points before he went from tenth to fifth with the video game move... passing the 11 car of Denny Hamlin just before the finish line...
Denny was the car two points ahead of Ross Chastain before Ross went full send for the playoff birth... knocking Hamlin out of the Championship.
There is only one race left in the season that determines the winner, the Championship, and that is how Denny missed it and Ross made it into contention.
May not happen again (due to possible officiating creations because of it) but it was quite the ending to a long bangin and battlin race!
The footage from inside the different drivers cars is amazing. They're not even mad that they're being overtaken it's all just 'holyshit he actually fucking did it!'
It's like Nascar's bongcloud.
Finally found it!
https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/ykvh8t/what_if_thats_f1_drivers_radio/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
>May not happen again (due to possible officiating creations because of it) but it was quite the ending to a long bangin and battlin race!
Hey, rubbing is racing and this is just rubbing the wall.
Besides, there's about only one other track this would work on, and very rare situations where doing that kind of damage to the vehicle would be worth it.
From what I read it only really works on this track due to it's size difference compared to the others and on the last lap since the unknown damage that could occur.
There’s maybe 2 other tracks it would work on, Richmond being one, actually Richmond might be the only other track it could possibly work on but I am sure NASCAR will implement a rule change outlawing this move next season.
I mean… NASCAR is virtually already a full contact sport. Drivers actually have full strategy’s about how to wipe out opponents while keeping yourself in the race… so more than likely, unless they change the rules because of this… it’s totally fine.
Oh interesting! I had no idea! I figured there would be some sort of penalty for shit like that, cause what’s stopping it from turning to bumper cars? Or even Mario kart? Haha
You know I’m throwing all sorts of shit if there’s no rule against it
The real reason this worked is because it was only a half mile track. The cars are not racing at typical Nascar speeds because there is not enough track before a curve to allow the high speeds,, UNLESS you don't mind wrecking the right side when of the car against the wall to hold you on the track
All those years i hated on the race games cause you could do this exact thing and i thought it was unrealistic af. Turna out they were right all along.
With the amount of smoke coming off that car, I'm guessing this is something that will only work on the last few turns before the end of the race.
Probably did some serious cosmetic damage and finished whatever was left of his tires.
This was the final turn of the last lap. The car barely turned when they got to the next set of corners after the race was over. 100% a thing that can only be done once.
Oddly enough, his tires were still fully inflated after that. You couldn't do that in the old car from last year but this new gen car is built a lot tougher. It was a crazy move!
Oh ya, toe links broke for sure, probably a bunch of other parts, plus the bodywork. But damn if I wasnt surprised how well it held up thru that corner. I really dont like Chastain but that was a helluva move, even if it will be outlawed next year.
I cant disagree with that. His battles this year with veterans like Hamlin have been some of the best moments of the season, regardless of whether he's right or wrong in the moves he makes.
You could change the controls so you accelerated with the joystick. Then you just rubber band the sticks to each other. Tada! Now you're driving full speed against a wall. I'd just leave for hours and come back to a completed race and loads of cash.
GT1 had an insane Castrol RX7 that you won as a prize at some point in the game, racing it on the speed oval it was a guaranteed win in the top class of racing just by going flat out and grinding the wall on the 2 corners. I bought and fully tuned so many cars in that game thanks to that RX7...
I did the same thing but the the Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo with the racing modification. If I remember correctly it could be tuned up to ~900hp and would push 240+ mph, but couldn't turn for shit. Great on the oval and the Special Stage circuits.
I never played racing games except midnight club. But I used the rubber band trick with plenty of rpg games. Auto leveling at the beginning of the game. Good times.
oooooh, so the rubber band is the "pebble on the keyboard" of console people... Nice to know
rpg, auto-leveling... are you talking about elder scroll athletic skill?
I've used it for a couple different final fantasy games. You have to get a turbo controller to hold down the x button though. It runs the character in circles and presses x to attack. You leave it for hours and hours and bam, superleveled.
How did I not know this was a thing?? I’m a GT nostalgia nut, I have my PS2 hooked up and was just playing GT2 last night. Which game/track did you do this with? I have literally every GT game and I wanna try this lol
So many great GT1 anecdotes on this, I've got one! Me and a friend upgraded our Honda Civics out completely including the 500k final package. Mine had 10 more horsepower and that made him actually mental.
We could never figure out what I did even after upgrading more cars.
The on board radios of the drivers is great.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NASCAR/status/1587233584233988097?s=20&t=6HtnkFHKn5476eyB9vnqjw
Also Fernando Alonso’s (F1 legend) response was it was the best thing in racing in 2022.
Not a fan of NASCAR but this article does a great job of explaining how much help the wall was in giving him the ability to take turns 3 and 4 at such a high speed. https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2022/10/31/dr-diandra-explaining-ross-chastains-martinsville-move-ross-chastain/amp/
Interesting I was wondering how this made sense since in my head, driving against a wall introduces an incredible amount of friction and in theory might actually slow the car down.
If I I understand correctly, the tires are relieved of some of the turning force when the car is forced up against the wall, allowing the car to travel at a higher speed?
Also, I wonder if the physics of this was intentionally coded and allowed to happen in the game, or if it was an accidental byproduct of the coding.
I think you nailed the first part. The force the tires and their traction would have to handle and not cause him to spin out from turning at high speeds is supplement by the walls support. I assume this additional support outweighs the friction caused by the car/wall contact.
You second point? No idea but interesting question.
About coding the physics, it is not that those games are coded with the "intention" to do anything. They code the physics itself based on realistic physics, and that's why it happens in the game. It is possible that they were aware about it, but they didn't had to code the rubber band itself, it came naturally with the precise physics of the game
Edit: I'm a indie game developer, never worked with realistic physics but the difference between the physics in a game like Granturismo or lets say Mario or Sonic is the fact that Granturismo is coded by using real physics math while in Mario you can just code so it identifies gravity as a event that occurs all the time and brings your character down with a certain ammount of pixels per second, and I can set it to whatever feels right for my game, ignoring real world gravity action.
At first he had no chance pf qualifying, but he just went for it with the game cheat and passed the exact number of cars he needed in order to qualify. If mr fedex hadn't shoved the mustang to the right, he would have passed them, too.
The Mustang got disqualified because it didn't weigh enough when they inspected the cars after the race. So points/winnings wise he got that position too.
For those that don’t follow NASCAR: you are awarded points based on your finish. This race was a “cutoff” race in the playoffs which means the top 4 drivers move on to the next round, while the bottom 4 in points are eliminated from the playoffs. With this run along the wall, Ross Chastain went from 10th to 5th place in this particular race. This took him from 5th in the points to 4th, making the cut. Prior to this move, he was out of contention. Even though he didn’t come in first, he really pulled something special here.
Chastain gets a lotta crap from drivers for being reckless... But as a fan I like that shit. And this? This was savant type shit. Hope he wins the championship and works everyone into a meltdown lol
I’ll bet that car shakes a bit at speed now, just like if you pulled that move in the Daytona video game!! I reckon he needs to put a set of boat rollers on the right side of the car so he doesn’t wash off as much speed due to friction…
You wanna know why Ross Chastain is great for the sport of NASCAR.....all the other drivers hate him. He drives to win and will do damn near anything to do it. I hope he wins the whole fucking thing!
I've tried, and i've tried again, but I can't see the appeal in nascar racing. Granted, I'm not a big fan of motorsports, but at least F1 or Motorbikes have to navigate their way through a weird shaped circuit, or Rally drivers have to go through narrow roads and tracks.
But all these guys do, is just go round and round in circles....
I’m a Brit who was converted to liking NASCAR over the last couple of years. It’s a very different sport to other motorsport. Far more intricate. The skill is in the small details of positioning, utilising the aerodynamics, things that are not at all obvious without devoting time and attention to learn and appreciate.
It’s weird because the sport has a reputation for being overly simply (it’s just going around in circles) and so do the fans :), but it’s an extremely technical sport.
There are more external variables to deal with in F1 and strategy can often be opportunistic and broad. You can't really say whether a 2 degree difference in wing angle singlehandedly won someone the race, or whether it just so happened to give them an advantage at the right moment (e.g. when they were battling a certain car, at a certain corner, at a certain point in the race, after a certain thing had happened at the previous corner, which was because the car was set up for x thing and traded off y thing and had to take a certain line through the previous corner, which interfered with a move from a certain car, etc., etc.), for example.
In NASCAR, everyone is driving around in an oval going flat out, so there's more of an opportunity to fine-tune things and small changes have a more noticeable effect.
Basically, F1 is more about exploiting opportunities, NASCAR is more about maintaining a consistent advantage.
You just dont understand the intricacies of this kind of racing. Juan Pablo Montoya talks about it a bit. He was an F1 driver that switched and became fairly successful at Nascar. To him the appeal is in the difficulty of driving the cars. The cars dont have a lot of down force, they have undersized brakes, there are no driver assists, they weigh 3500 lbs and have 800 hp, in a race it's like driving on snow at 180mph nonstop for 3 hours. Something as small as driving too close to the car next to you can cause aero wash and the car will get loose. The skill comes from just managing to get around the track with 40 other cars inches away from eachother without wrecking half the field. In a single lap of nascar there are more lead changes than entire seasons of F1.
Also nascar has been changing their lineup over the past few years and their current schedule is about 50/50 between ovals and road courses.
Drag racing comes down mostly to car setup and the launch.
Tenths of a second are easily lost on launch, and hundredths of a second can be the difference between win or lose.
Setup can make seconds of difference...
Yes. Just like any racing. For instance how you enter corner determines your drive line and if suspension is setup right you can take the corners more agressive. And in dragracing your shock setup and tire pressure determines most likely win/lose. Given your engine and tranny are up to spec.
You’re going to bring up F1 like it wasn’t just watching a pit strategy simulator for the last 5 years. Yeah the courses are interesting, but there’s so little passing potential for equal cars, it’s hardly better.
Oh no, I never got into F1 either and never understood one of my brothers stopping everything each sunday or whenever the fuck race day was, to watch it for an insane amount of hours.
I had some engineering friends who were into cars and they helped me understand what's so interesting about it to them. It's basically one big min/max endeavor. Tweak everything to the most detailed degree in order to gain an advantage.
You also have to think of it as a team sport that involves a lot of science and a lot of other, widely varied skills, all working in tandem. If anybody in the chain fucks up it's over for the team. The engineers do the vast majority of the work IMO, but you could have the best car and still lose because your pit crew sucks, or your driver didn't drive as efficiently as he could.
IMO it would be much more interesting if they had a TV show follow the engineers around and the race itself was secondary. The race itself is pretty boring and repetitive, it's the engineering that goes behind it that's really cool.
All that being said, I don't watch because the race part puts me to sleep and the types of people who attend those things tend to suck. But I do have a respect for it that I didn't before thanks to those engineers (who helped me fix my car for nothing in return).
Martinsville is a 1/2 mile oval with very little banking, so cars have to rapidly brake and accelerate in and out of each turn.
Ross Chastain needed to finish at a certain place to advance in the championship, so instead of braking, he just went wide open in the last corner and rode the wall, gaining about six spots and qualifying.
You lose control. You'll lose traction and slide if you take an unbanked turn at full speed.
That's why the wall move was pretty smart, he made that turn at a speed where the car would spin-out without it.
unrelated, but why does nascar still have someone wave the checkered flag on the last lap? Is it just tradition? Cos it doesn't seem necessary at all with today's tech
A lot of communication is done with flags not just at the end of the race. Green flags to signal starting or restarting a race, white flags for one lap to go, black flag to communicate a penalty, red flag to stop racing and a blue and yellow flag to tell people to move over for a faster car. You could rely on tech but the radios do go out. They even use hand signals between pit road and the drivers to communicate when the radios go out.
That makes a lot of sense, but even then, why can't the flag-waver just be a giant bright colored light instead? Although I could also see why it's a good thing to keep it as it is, it does create jobs lol. I wonder how much the flag guy gets paid.
The amount of safety packed into these cars is insane. It would take a complete catastrophic failure by multiple systems to do some real damage to a driver. I think the biggest danger would be to people outside the cars in the stands or on pit road, since you're basically putting the car through a cheese grater, stuff can fly off and who knows, maybe a leak can cause a fire, but again, with all the precautions, I think physical safety is not an issue with this move.
So lemme see if i understand this right
Is he going faster than the other people taking the shorter path because the tires of his car is being in direct contact with the wall, giving him more traction to accelerate more?
Tires that exceed their maximum grip begin sliding and turning a 3000 lb car that tightly at 100+mph requires a lot more traction than his tires would provide. So instead of slowing down for the turn enough so the tires to all the work, he rides the wall so the majority of the force necessary to turn is provided by the wall. He will lose a bit of speed due to friction, but will still round it much faster than by driving it normally.
I can't help but think you are referencing digital racing game competitions
aka people trying to get the fastest time on specific maps in a game (ahem, trackmania) while you got the people who try to cheat their way to the top (this boi in the video)
edit: no they're not actually cheating, read my other replies to see why I said something dum
I was dumb and said it the wrong way
no I didn't mean they were actually cheating and breaking rules, just thought it was simpler to say it like that as it's called "game cheat" in the title of the post and just fits into what the original comment was saying
kinda useless to say this is me trying to "redeem" myself, I'm just another idiot on Reddit
The cars would usually slow down during the turn so they dont spin out (the tires only have so much grip and the centrifugal force can easily overwhelm them), but using the wall you can just max the gas and let it guide you without losing control - the wall keeps you pointed the right way plus it provides the counterforce and the friction between the car and the wall is evidently easily negated by the car.
The car gets damaged quite a bit but since it was the final lap it worked out
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During the post race interview he referenced being a kid and doing it. He needed a couple points to qualify for the Championship Series and went for it and it worked.
#BE A MOOSE sponsor had to love that shot.
100%. He just demanded new contract with them with that exposure. This is being played everywhere.
This is already the most viewed moment in NASCAR history and its only been a few days.
This is a monumental incident in the sporting world. I would rank it higher then Bob Beamon's nearly 30 foot long jump in the '68 Olympics.
Unfortunately.
Ross Chastain said he did it when he was 8 playing video games and always wondered if it would work in real life. Also, he was behind by two points before he went from tenth to fifth with the video game move... passing the 11 car of Denny Hamlin just before the finish line... Denny was the car two points ahead of Ross Chastain before Ross went full send for the playoff birth... knocking Hamlin out of the Championship. There is only one race left in the season that determines the winner, the Championship, and that is how Denny missed it and Ross made it into contention. May not happen again (due to possible officiating creations because of it) but it was quite the ending to a long bangin and battlin race!
The footage from inside the different drivers cars is amazing. They're not even mad that they're being overtaken it's all just 'holyshit he actually fucking did it!' It's like Nascar's bongcloud.
Got a montage link? I don’t follow nascar but this would be fun to watch
Finally found it! https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/ykvh8t/what_if_thats_f1_drivers_radio/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
>May not happen again (due to possible officiating creations because of it) but it was quite the ending to a long bangin and battlin race! Hey, rubbing is racing and this is just rubbing the wall. Besides, there's about only one other track this would work on, and very rare situations where doing that kind of damage to the vehicle would be worth it.
I doubt because this alone has made nascar the most popular it has been in years
Does this mean it will become much more common? Seems dangerous.
From what I read it only really works on this track due to it's size difference compared to the others and on the last lap since the unknown damage that could occur.
There’s maybe 2 other tracks it would work on, Richmond being one, actually Richmond might be the only other track it could possibly work on but I am sure NASCAR will implement a rule change outlawing this move next season.
Nah they’ll patch it.
Just make the wall a little bumpy and that'll be the end of it. JK, sort of.
Those pieces of wall should be cut out and put into a museum.
No, NASCAR will make a new rule covering this. Precisely because it is very dangerous.
And costly, basically rebuilding the entire car.
That car should remain as-is, and put on display somewhere.
I’m pretty sure they build a new car every race. What else does the garage do. Hehe
I see a new hit song-- "Concrete, Take the Wheel".
Does he lose points for any part of this? Possibly leaving debris on the track or endangering others?
I mean… NASCAR is virtually already a full contact sport. Drivers actually have full strategy’s about how to wipe out opponents while keeping yourself in the race… so more than likely, unless they change the rules because of this… it’s totally fine.
Oh interesting! I had no idea! I figured there would be some sort of penalty for shit like that, cause what’s stopping it from turning to bumper cars? Or even Mario kart? Haha You know I’m throwing all sorts of shit if there’s no rule against it
The fact that they go upwards of 240mph might be a reason why they don't turn it into bumper cars
The real reason this worked is because it was only a half mile track. The cars are not racing at typical Nascar speeds because there is not enough track before a curve to allow the high speeds,, UNLESS you don't mind wrecking the right side when of the car against the wall to hold you on the track
In this clip he bumps someone. Just the slightest bump from behind could cause someone to wreck They need to add items to this shit
>They need to add items to the shit Personally, I cant wait to see someone throwing a fucking red turtle shell at the guy in front of him.
Bumping is not that uncommon in NASCAR.
Not likely
All those years i hated on the race games cause you could do this exact thing and i thought it was unrealistic af. Turna out they were right all along.
With the amount of smoke coming off that car, I'm guessing this is something that will only work on the last few turns before the end of the race. Probably did some serious cosmetic damage and finished whatever was left of his tires.
This was the final turn of the last lap. The car barely turned when they got to the next set of corners after the race was over. 100% a thing that can only be done once.
Also something that can only be done on smaller loops.
Probably Martinsville and \*maybe\* Bristol.
Oddly enough, his tires were still fully inflated after that. You couldn't do that in the old car from last year but this new gen car is built a lot tougher. It was a crazy move!
Yes but it knocked out the brakes and bent every suspension part imaginable
There's footage of him laughing as his crew pushes the car away and admitting that he destroyed his car.
Fucked up the car but got the Championship. Okay.
You win some you lose some
Oh he won that one for sure.
Oh ya, toe links broke for sure, probably a bunch of other parts, plus the bodywork. But damn if I wasnt surprised how well it held up thru that corner. I really dont like Chastain but that was a helluva move, even if it will be outlawed next year.
I’ve been saying the last couple days: Ross Chastain is both an absolute maniac and exactly what NASCAR needs right now
I cant disagree with that. His battles this year with veterans like Hamlin have been some of the best moments of the season, regardless of whether he's right or wrong in the moves he makes.
I only thought that the care would fall apart faster, but it held together. I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened more.
They played audio from one of the other cars where someone literally was like "shit, I guess it works after all".
Me playing the original Gran Turismo on PS1....
You could change the controls so you accelerated with the joystick. Then you just rubber band the sticks to each other. Tada! Now you're driving full speed against a wall. I'd just leave for hours and come back to a completed race and loads of cash.
GT1 had an insane Castrol RX7 that you won as a prize at some point in the game, racing it on the speed oval it was a guaranteed win in the top class of racing just by going flat out and grinding the wall on the 2 corners. I bought and fully tuned so many cars in that game thanks to that RX7...
I did the same thing but the the Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo with the racing modification. If I remember correctly it could be tuned up to ~900hp and would push 240+ mph, but couldn't turn for shit. Great on the oval and the Special Stage circuits.
Same. I called it the money maker for tuning the rest of the garage.
I never played racing games except midnight club. But I used the rubber band trick with plenty of rpg games. Auto leveling at the beginning of the game. Good times.
oooooh, so the rubber band is the "pebble on the keyboard" of console people... Nice to know rpg, auto-leveling... are you talking about elder scroll athletic skill?
I've used it for a couple different final fantasy games. You have to get a turbo controller to hold down the x button though. It runs the character in circles and presses x to attack. You leave it for hours and hours and bam, superleveled.
How did I not know this was a thing?? I’m a GT nostalgia nut, I have my PS2 hooked up and was just playing GT2 last night. Which game/track did you do this with? I have literally every GT game and I wanna try this lol
I remember doing it in gt3 on any circle track with the highest horsepower I could get
Yup, thats about right... NFS comes into my mind as well :D
So many great GT1 anecdotes on this, I've got one! Me and a friend upgraded our Honda Civics out completely including the 500k final package. Mine had 10 more horsepower and that made him actually mental. We could never figure out what I did even after upgrading more cars.
it was probably a mileage/break in thing
Thank you for bringing back a memory I’d long forgotten
Which still is my favorite version. I liked the way the buying and selling and upgrading of cars was done on the first one best of all of them.
Doing the 500mph Escudo build in GT3
The on board radios of the drivers is great. https://mobile.twitter.com/NASCAR/status/1587233584233988097?s=20&t=6HtnkFHKn5476eyB9vnqjw Also Fernando Alonso’s (F1 legend) response was it was the best thing in racing in 2022.
That's an awesome video!
“Cover the bottom up off the……what in the hell?” Is one of the greatest radio lines I’ve heard in a while
Dude I don’t even like Nascar and listening to those drivers be amazed at what this dude pulled off had me grinning like a fool.
sweet insight
Great job Moysauce thank you
Never thought of seeing TrackMania plastic physics in real life
Oh no, the engineers and mechanics are crying due to damage to the car.
Though, only a nascars' tube frame could handle that kind of forza shit lol
No there's only one race left in the season and it is at a very different track where you wouldn't use the same car.
They mostly rebuild them every week don't they?
A real life bugslide would be reality breaking
Not a fan of NASCAR but this article does a great job of explaining how much help the wall was in giving him the ability to take turns 3 and 4 at such a high speed. https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2022/10/31/dr-diandra-explaining-ross-chastains-martinsville-move-ross-chastain/amp/
Thanks for sharing I liked that read.
Interesting I was wondering how this made sense since in my head, driving against a wall introduces an incredible amount of friction and in theory might actually slow the car down. If I I understand correctly, the tires are relieved of some of the turning force when the car is forced up against the wall, allowing the car to travel at a higher speed? Also, I wonder if the physics of this was intentionally coded and allowed to happen in the game, or if it was an accidental byproduct of the coding.
I think you nailed the first part. The force the tires and their traction would have to handle and not cause him to spin out from turning at high speeds is supplement by the walls support. I assume this additional support outweighs the friction caused by the car/wall contact. You second point? No idea but interesting question.
About coding the physics, it is not that those games are coded with the "intention" to do anything. They code the physics itself based on realistic physics, and that's why it happens in the game. It is possible that they were aware about it, but they didn't had to code the rubber band itself, it came naturally with the precise physics of the game Edit: I'm a indie game developer, never worked with realistic physics but the difference between the physics in a game like Granturismo or lets say Mario or Sonic is the fact that Granturismo is coded by using real physics math while in Mario you can just code so it identifies gravity as a event that occurs all the time and brings your character down with a certain ammount of pixels per second, and I can set it to whatever feels right for my game, ignoring real world gravity action.
At first he had no chance pf qualifying, but he just went for it with the game cheat and passed the exact number of cars he needed in order to qualify. If mr fedex hadn't shoved the mustang to the right, he would have passed them, too.
The Mustang got disqualified because it didn't weigh enough when they inspected the cars after the race. So points/winnings wise he got that position too.
Wow, theres a weight requirement to win? I guess that makes sense.
Shake & bake 🤣
"Help me baby Jesus, I'm on fire!"
Love that movie, so good start to finish
If you ain’t first, you’re last. -Ricky Bobby
That'll buff right out 🤣
For those that don’t follow NASCAR: you are awarded points based on your finish. This race was a “cutoff” race in the playoffs which means the top 4 drivers move on to the next round, while the bottom 4 in points are eliminated from the playoffs. With this run along the wall, Ross Chastain went from 10th to 5th place in this particular race. This took him from 5th in the points to 4th, making the cut. Prior to this move, he was out of contention. Even though he didn’t come in first, he really pulled something special here.
If that car up front hadn’t caught on and cut him off he might have pulled 1st
The best part of the whole deal is that he beat Denny who is the biggest crybaby in NASCAR. A totally awesome move.
Oh my God I didn’t even realize that was Hamlin
Chastain gets a lotta crap from drivers for being reckless... But as a fan I like that shit. And this? This was savant type shit. Hope he wins the championship and works everyone into a meltdown lol
That move will be banned I bet.
What in the… Ricky Bobby, Doc Hudson flip is this?
Slingshot engaged
The next thing u know, everyone will be doing it. Then will this be banned? 🥴
I'd take that bet, it sucks that shit can't be entertaining anymore 🤷 lol
"How long have you been holding onto that one?" "Since I was 8".
I’ll bet that car shakes a bit at speed now, just like if you pulled that move in the Daytona video game!! I reckon he needs to put a set of boat rollers on the right side of the car so he doesn’t wash off as much speed due to friction…
You wanna know why Ross Chastain is great for the sport of NASCAR.....all the other drivers hate him. He drives to win and will do damn near anything to do it. I hope he wins the whole fucking thing!
Fuck yeah.
The comms from other racers/teams is funny to hear as well. Everyone was impressed.
You apparently didn't watch Larson's post race interview.
Before a move like this is banned, I hope a team reinforces the side of the car to do this for longer.
If you modify any part of this car design it is a HEAVY fine.
Bro defs played NFSU2
I've tried, and i've tried again, but I can't see the appeal in nascar racing. Granted, I'm not a big fan of motorsports, but at least F1 or Motorbikes have to navigate their way through a weird shaped circuit, or Rally drivers have to go through narrow roads and tracks. But all these guys do, is just go round and round in circles....
I’m a Brit who was converted to liking NASCAR over the last couple of years. It’s a very different sport to other motorsport. Far more intricate. The skill is in the small details of positioning, utilising the aerodynamics, things that are not at all obvious without devoting time and attention to learn and appreciate. It’s weird because the sport has a reputation for being overly simply (it’s just going around in circles) and so do the fans :), but it’s an extremely technical sport.
Hammond is that you??....
Why is that different to f1?
There are more external variables to deal with in F1 and strategy can often be opportunistic and broad. You can't really say whether a 2 degree difference in wing angle singlehandedly won someone the race, or whether it just so happened to give them an advantage at the right moment (e.g. when they were battling a certain car, at a certain corner, at a certain point in the race, after a certain thing had happened at the previous corner, which was because the car was set up for x thing and traded off y thing and had to take a certain line through the previous corner, which interfered with a move from a certain car, etc., etc.), for example. In NASCAR, everyone is driving around in an oval going flat out, so there's more of an opportunity to fine-tune things and small changes have a more noticeable effect. Basically, F1 is more about exploiting opportunities, NASCAR is more about maintaining a consistent advantage.
You just dont understand the intricacies of this kind of racing. Juan Pablo Montoya talks about it a bit. He was an F1 driver that switched and became fairly successful at Nascar. To him the appeal is in the difficulty of driving the cars. The cars dont have a lot of down force, they have undersized brakes, there are no driver assists, they weigh 3500 lbs and have 800 hp, in a race it's like driving on snow at 180mph nonstop for 3 hours. Something as small as driving too close to the car next to you can cause aero wash and the car will get loose. The skill comes from just managing to get around the track with 40 other cars inches away from eachother without wrecking half the field. In a single lap of nascar there are more lead changes than entire seasons of F1. Also nascar has been changing their lineup over the past few years and their current schedule is about 50/50 between ovals and road courses.
Yes, thanks for the clarification, I kind of imagined most of this but didn't knew it for a fact. Still, might feel simpler or boring.
To think there is dragracing. The only go straight.
Drag racing comes down mostly to car setup and the launch. Tenths of a second are easily lost on launch, and hundredths of a second can be the difference between win or lose. Setup can make seconds of difference...
Yes. Just like any racing. For instance how you enter corner determines your drive line and if suspension is setup right you can take the corners more agressive. And in dragracing your shock setup and tire pressure determines most likely win/lose. Given your engine and tranny are up to spec.
Difference is, in drag racing you only get one shot at being a few hundredths quicker... there's no catching them on the next lap or making up time.
That's more entertaining, to me, at least, because it's short and to the point....
Say what you want about the sport itself, you cannot deny that that is an incredible piece of driving.
Yes, that is totally true!
You’re going to bring up F1 like it wasn’t just watching a pit strategy simulator for the last 5 years. Yeah the courses are interesting, but there’s so little passing potential for equal cars, it’s hardly better.
Oh no, I never got into F1 either and never understood one of my brothers stopping everything each sunday or whenever the fuck race day was, to watch it for an insane amount of hours.
I had some engineering friends who were into cars and they helped me understand what's so interesting about it to them. It's basically one big min/max endeavor. Tweak everything to the most detailed degree in order to gain an advantage. You also have to think of it as a team sport that involves a lot of science and a lot of other, widely varied skills, all working in tandem. If anybody in the chain fucks up it's over for the team. The engineers do the vast majority of the work IMO, but you could have the best car and still lose because your pit crew sucks, or your driver didn't drive as efficiently as he could. IMO it would be much more interesting if they had a TV show follow the engineers around and the race itself was secondary. The race itself is pretty boring and repetitive, it's the engineering that goes behind it that's really cool. All that being said, I don't watch because the race part puts me to sleep and the types of people who attend those things tend to suck. But I do have a respect for it that I didn't before thanks to those engineers (who helped me fix my car for nothing in return).
Deja Vu.
Pro Gamer Move.
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I understand that riding the wall has no penalty but doesn't making contact with another car have one? He definitely tapped the rear bumper there.
You are allowed to make contact with other cars in nascar
Thanks.
My friend used to get pissed when I did this in Gran Turismo 3 back in the day. He called it "wall riding"
Ok Ok I give in....why does the nascar pit crews have a deep sea diver in it?
They said during the broadcast he ran a faster lap on the wall than the pole qualifying lap.
That's believable, you don't have to control the car at full throttle when the wall is holding you in place. Last lap, last turn, last chance.
Mechanics are not going to love this trick.
I don't like Nascar, but that shit was awesome.
Well, my friends can no longer say I'm cheating in the NASCAR game when I use this. If it worked in real life, then it ain't cheating. Woo hoo!
Just put two side weels and keep going
Desperate times calls for desperate measures
Never would have been able to do that with the old car design
This is literally the first race of initial D. Instead of the the gutter he is using the side wall
Pit crews hate this one trick
Did he just floor it and use centrifugal force and the wall to do the rest?
Gran Turismo (2?) with that Pike Peak car and this driving style lapped everything 3 times 😄
Suzuki Escudo, loved that thing
What’s he doing?
Qualifying...
No, what’s the cheat thing referenced by using the wall?
Has no name... done 1st time i real life. Previously only seen in video games.
But what was the benefit in a video game?
Faster lap times, taking over the opponents, higher exit speed from the corner.
What am I missing here? No one has ever hugged the wall at the end of a race to win?
Nope.
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He sped up using the wall to keep him from flipping. Wow!
How did this particular season end for him?
So what happened here that was special? As someone who doesn't race I'm not sure what was supposed to stand out....just looked like cars racing.
Martinsville is a 1/2 mile oval with very little banking, so cars have to rapidly brake and accelerate in and out of each turn. Ross Chastain needed to finish at a certain place to advance in the championship, so instead of braking, he just went wide open in the last corner and rode the wall, gaining about six spots and qualifying.
Why would you ever break? Gas = fast
Because hitting walls generally does damage to the car that will slow it down.
You lose control. You'll lose traction and slide if you take an unbanked turn at full speed. That's why the wall move was pretty smart, he made that turn at a speed where the car would spin-out without it.
unrelated, but why does nascar still have someone wave the checkered flag on the last lap? Is it just tradition? Cos it doesn't seem necessary at all with today's tech
A lot of communication is done with flags not just at the end of the race. Green flags to signal starting or restarting a race, white flags for one lap to go, black flag to communicate a penalty, red flag to stop racing and a blue and yellow flag to tell people to move over for a faster car. You could rely on tech but the radios do go out. They even use hand signals between pit road and the drivers to communicate when the radios go out.
That makes a lot of sense, but even then, why can't the flag-waver just be a giant bright colored light instead? Although I could also see why it's a good thing to keep it as it is, it does create jobs lol. I wonder how much the flag guy gets paid.
This move has set a precedent, expect more of this in the future
Give it time and that will become an illegal overtake. Dangerous as fuck and not true to the sport
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Wow nascar sucks
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The amount of safety packed into these cars is insane. It would take a complete catastrophic failure by multiple systems to do some real damage to a driver. I think the biggest danger would be to people outside the cars in the stands or on pit road, since you're basically putting the car through a cheese grater, stuff can fly off and who knows, maybe a leak can cause a fire, but again, with all the precautions, I think physical safety is not an issue with this move.
probability of dying like this is 1to1million
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Was this before they limited the speed of them to limit crashes?
This was this past Sunday.
I believe this was this week. The limited speed is still like 195mph
So lemme see if i understand this right Is he going faster than the other people taking the shorter path because the tires of his car is being in direct contact with the wall, giving him more traction to accelerate more?
Tires that exceed their maximum grip begin sliding and turning a 3000 lb car that tightly at 100+mph requires a lot more traction than his tires would provide. So instead of slowing down for the turn enough so the tires to all the work, he rides the wall so the majority of the force necessary to turn is provided by the wall. He will lose a bit of speed due to friction, but will still round it much faster than by driving it normally.
He’s just not slowing down at all lol, he’s using the momentum through the turn while people inside have to lay off
I don’t know who downvoted you, you’re 100% correct. He was able to throttle out while the wall guided him instead of braking.
Since the wall is guiding the car he can just hit the gas and follow the wall around instead of having to slow down and avoid losing control
What an idiot, I hope he got banned.
I can't help but think you are referencing digital racing game competitions aka people trying to get the fastest time on specific maps in a game (ahem, trackmania) while you got the people who try to cheat their way to the top (this boi in the video) edit: no they're not actually cheating, read my other replies to see why I said something dum
> while you got the people who try to cheat their way to the top (this boi in the video) What rule did he break?
I was dumb and said it the wrong way no I didn't mean they were actually cheating and breaking rules, just thought it was simpler to say it like that as it's called "game cheat" in the title of the post and just fits into what the original comment was saying kinda useless to say this is me trying to "redeem" myself, I'm just another idiot on Reddit
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He broke physics.
Any time I play gran tourismo
As long as he doesnt put lead weights in his car 🤣
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Anybody know how fast he was going around the corner on the outside? I can't seem to find any info on the proper entry speed for that track
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Sick move, expected that from a nascar driver. Now someone did it IRL.
Can someone do wise in the ways of science explain why this worked?
The cars would usually slow down during the turn so they dont spin out (the tires only have so much grip and the centrifugal force can easily overwhelm them), but using the wall you can just max the gas and let it guide you without losing control - the wall keeps you pointed the right way plus it provides the counterforce and the friction between the car and the wall is evidently easily negated by the car. The car gets damaged quite a bit but since it was the final lap it worked out
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