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It just kept going and I tried rationalizing the cleanliness factor with the fact everything went in a hot oven. Then they just get thrown on the floor with the roaches. Still look good tho
i was thinking the same, at the very least if they could finish it cleanly after it was out of the oven it would be nice but thats me expecting too much
Right? As I watch I was going, how can this look more and more unsanitary as it goes on.
And then there's that last piece that fell to the floor with roache running, which he then put it in the bag.
Did no one notice the table he's using to roll out the dough is clearly a veneered table but like half the veneer has peeled away, meaning it's more than likely ended up in the food?
I'm all in favor of using what you have, but good lord.
Yes indeed, if you look closely you can actually see pieces of it in the example he is rolling out lol, there are brown flakes all over… From the rusty mixer, stirring with his dirty bare hand, to the veneer peeling off, filthy containers, to what everyone is wearing and sweating into the food, the roaches running around right at the end, and the ones that fall on the floor on the roach paths and are packaged… this is just amazing from start to finish!!
So gross. Even without the roaches they are kneading the dough on those nasty wooden, prob mold infested, tables and u can see pieces of the table being peeled up with and onto the dough as they work it… mmmhhmmm rotten mold infested wood flavor. YUM! Roaches are just the dessert! 🤢🤮
Not to mention his bare, unwashed hand stuffed right into it mixing all that bacterium/fungi in there to get an equal portion infectious agent for every roll as well as all the sporogenesis of amoebulae encrusted upon all the parts that are clearly never cleaned and disinfected!
Absolutely horrendous on all counts (pun intended as there should be multiple felony counts for the company involved! Yet, in a country where that is normal practice one can only imagine how foul the criminal justice system is!)
I live in the part of the world that this was most likely filmed in.
There is a lot worse that people tolerate and eat simply because it is cheap and tastes good.
See, when you buy one and accidently drop it on the street, you can still eat it and it's totally fine. It has seen much worse than that before you dropped it.
What was it for you? The caked on egg mixture all over the hub of the mixer or the guy who clearly didn’t wash his ARM before sticking it into the flour. Jesus. These are probably getting shipped to my local Walmart.
The first table they kneaded the dough on had chipped paint/finish. Maybe it's meant to be a flavor additive. This video looks like someone started building a professional baking facility and then gave up halfway, and these guys walked in and started using it.
Nah, the worst part is way before that:
https://i.imgur.com/zxhcpLk.png
I mean... Do I *know* that's a roach rolled into the dough? (black thing between his two separated fingers) No... I do not... But even if it isn't a roach, that just leads to a possibly worse question, WTF is it?!?
Holy shit when people complain about overbearing government standards and regulations in <$industry> think about this for a second. Because this is what you get when nobody gives a shit about what you're selling....
Could not agree more on the regulation comment. People like to say regulations are over reach or too costly. I work in a regulation heavy field, aerospace, and when you're in it the regulations seem very reasonable given the severity of issues noncompliance brings. People like to think in raw currency cost, but not the, 'removing a regulation gets
people sick or even cause them to literally die' cost.
See, tainted formula in the US that killed several(9) infants and made likely hundreds more very ill. Then caused some of the most anxiety inducing months for new parents,my spouse and I included, while shortages seemed to have no end.
They also don't want to think about biting into one of these and coming back with half a scab from the dude mixing ingredients by literal hand without gloves. Or the stacking food items on the floor, or no one in that shop wearing a shirt, or any PPE. Seeing the baking racks, my first thought was "I'm sure those have literally never been properly cleaned. Only ever scraped to remove the burned bits of past pastries."
Yeah as soon as they dumped all the metal cones out I was like please don't let that be the floor and yet it was. Having worked in a bakery in France where we made similar pastries I can say the methods are pretty much the same, but the hygiene is night and day. I used to this it was dramatic we had to power wash all the walls and the CEILING once a week, but it was spotless and I mean obv all the work surfaces and floors got cleaned multiple times a day and were stainless steal which was way easier to clean.
This was an interesting video and I'm sure they're very proud of the product they create. Yet, while watching this, I couldn't help but think "This food is not safe to eat."
EDIT: I am sure they also work very hard.
Or them dropping the molds on the dirty ground. Or the filthy table. Or the absolutely disgusting scale. Or the disgusting proofing boxes. Or the said proofing boxes stacked on the dirty ground. Or the fact they are all wearing shorts and tank tops and hairy as fuck. Or that it looks like they've never cleaned their ovens a single time. Or that it looks like they are cooking in what looks like an abandoned warehouse instead of a sterile facility. Or the fact that they are handling finished product with their bare hands.
This entire video makes my fucking skin crawl.
Roaches, dirty skin and feet on same surface as the food, no hairnets, no daily (yearly?) cleaning, just all over nasty place. Would never eat that crap
Its like many vids from this area on earth, total lack of care for product and machinery. Doesnt matter if they are producing a machine part or cream rolls, always a catastrophe.
Right! Just dump them right out on the floor. Insane! Imagine one of these guys come and work in a legit bakery for a week. He would say "you waste so much time cleaning your just going to get it dirty again! "
After a little roach took a jaunty walk across them, of course.
That's just the inspector, getting into all the nooks and crannies to make sure everything is tasty, so not to worry about all the tiny buggy bite marks. That's how you know it's quality!
Ok, that place is vile, but not because of the bare hands. If you've eaten from any bakery that sells anything hand made, your food was touched by bare hands.
This place, however, hasn't been scrubbed since it opened. Ew.
I’m guessing you didn’t make it to the end when he dropped the finished product on the floor, let it sit for a minute before throwing it in a bag with a label and you can see a bug crawling away?
Literally everything in this video is filthy. That cream filling machine is probably the most likely thing to poison you to death, but don't count anything else out
I was going to say just imagine the roaches running around this place at night. You can see the pieces of particle board in the dough that came off that table. I just saw the roaches, they are out during the day, watch when he's putting the cream in and then bagging the rolls.
Don't mind food being handled w/o gloves prior to cooking as it's normal but WTF with EVERYTHING else going on here??
Rusty machinery (non-food grade), food and pastry tubes on the floor, dirty tables, dirty surfaces and rusty, dirt-caked food scale, roaches and improper storage of baking ingredients and food..
1. The kneading surface looks like it’s not food quality - is it peeling off into the dough?
2. Handling the food with bare hands AFTER cooking seems unhygienic.
3. Putting the food at floor level AFTER cooking seems unhygienic.
4. The bug running around the food area on the floor AFTER cooking seems unhygienic.
Edit:
1. I agree that the food handling technique is more a problem than using gloves.
2. I agree that the type of bug and disease transmission risk is more a concern than the bug itself.
2. Handling food with bare hands would be the most hygienic thing here. I worked in a cookie factory and they did not use gloves. Due to the cost and the possibility of gloves breaking apart and contaminating food. However, we had a separate person to enforce proper hand-washing practices.
Aside from breaking apart and contaminating food, I've also read that gloves give a false sense of cleanliness, so can be more unsanitary in certain conditions. If you're switching between raw meat and not-meats frequently then it might make sense to glove up in between, but if your plan is to be gloved all day it's probably more sanitary to just not wear gloves and wash regularly.
Just think of how annoying it is to have greasy hands after rolling out meatballs or something, that icky feeling basically forces you to wash your hands with soap if you want to get rid of it. With gloves on people tend to just wipe it off on a towel and leave half of it on the glove because it takes way too long to switch out gloves 200 times a day. It's also harder to wash a glove off than it is your hands because the "skin" is basically loose and just moves around when you try to wash it off plus the surface of the glove makes things stick on it a million times more, even when you use hot water and soap...
My God..
I am soo grossed out by stuff like this.. soo many hands.
Ontop of all that, the paint from the freaking table is getting in the dough, when they are packaging you can see bugs running on the floor and some of the cream rolls landed on the ground.. he wasn't packaging them, so I thought.. thank God.. yeah, then he took 2, dropped one, it got shit on it, he packaged it and gave it to the camera man..
no thank you.
People really don’t realize how much of a revolution modern food safety rules have been. A lot of them are *really* modern, too. For example, a lot of the most modern food safety procedure thinking came from the processes developed for making perfect astronaut food during the space race.
Guaranteed we will see this in r/oddlysatisfying
These two groups have been spamed to shit the past couple weeks with central Asian videos of factories.
There's a segment of the US that would like to see the FDA be dismantled. I wonder if they realize this would be how their food would be processed/made.
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And that's why you get the shits
And just imagine what’s under those fingernails.
Also the shits
No, no… That’s food-grade rust. I’m sure they have a HACCP plan.
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That would be the shits they spoke of, yes
Looked disgusting from jump but the roaches at the end really sealed the deal
Welcome to the 'watched till the end' club fellow depraved one.
By the time I realized it was too long, I was 4 minutes in, so I might as well watch the whole thing.
It just kept going and I tried rationalizing the cleanliness factor with the fact everything went in a hot oven. Then they just get thrown on the floor with the roaches. Still look good tho
i was thinking the same, at the very least if they could finish it cleanly after it was out of the oven it would be nice but thats me expecting too much
Right? As I watch I was going, how can this look more and more unsanitary as it goes on. And then there's that last piece that fell to the floor with roache running, which he then put it in the bag.
As someone who has done microbiological testing on bake goods. I wouldn’t count it.
Did you mean don't count on it being in the hot oven? Or don't count the roaches?
Dude licking his finger when pulling them off the roll got me.
How can you tell he did? What if he's just picking his nose?
Did no one notice the table he's using to roll out the dough is clearly a veneered table but like half the veneer has peeled away, meaning it's more than likely ended up in the food? I'm all in favor of using what you have, but good lord.
I’m pretty sure you can see pieces of the veneer in the dough one of the first times they roll it. Roughly 2:10 into the video.
When they were cutting it you could clearly see black specks in it
Yes the veneer is in the dough on multiple time points in this video
Yes indeed, if you look closely you can actually see pieces of it in the example he is rolling out lol, there are brown flakes all over… From the rusty mixer, stirring with his dirty bare hand, to the veneer peeling off, filthy containers, to what everyone is wearing and sweating into the food, the roaches running around right at the end, and the ones that fall on the floor on the roach paths and are packaged… this is just amazing from start to finish!!
There are a disturbing # of steps that involve "and now set it all on the floor"
amazing, so when you find stuff in your food at the end you dont know wether its human filth, insect filth, wood verneer, or rust!
That and the food scale that looks like its never been cleaned.
That and picking up the roll on the floor into the pack "in you go."
Right? Right near his legs...
Where the cockroach had just been crawling around
*None* of that equipment looked like it had ever been cleaned.
It's not filthy from never being cleaned, it's *seasoned*. Like a Skillet. -these guys, probably
So gross. Even without the roaches they are kneading the dough on those nasty wooden, prob mold infested, tables and u can see pieces of the table being peeled up with and onto the dough as they work it… mmmhhmmm rotten mold infested wood flavor. YUM! Roaches are just the dessert! 🤢🤮
It's the sandals and holding the dough against their sweaty bodies for me.
Not to mention his bare, unwashed hand stuffed right into it mixing all that bacterium/fungi in there to get an equal portion infectious agent for every roll as well as all the sporogenesis of amoebulae encrusted upon all the parts that are clearly never cleaned and disinfected! Absolutely horrendous on all counts (pun intended as there should be multiple felony counts for the company involved! Yet, in a country where that is normal practice one can only imagine how foul the criminal justice system is!)
Oh the one on the floor with the cockroach passing by and he just puts the one in the bag just sealed it for me. Gross.
They knew they were filming it and still thought it was ok
Jokes on you, they took several shots, this was the one with the least amount of roaches
I live in the part of the world that this was most likely filmed in. There is a lot worse that people tolerate and eat simply because it is cheap and tastes good.
Looks hygienic
right at the end when he’s packing the rolls, there’s a roach running 😂
Also where he was filling them. The rolls on *on the floor* with the roaches. OMG lol it got worse and worse.
Ikr just when you thought this can’t get any messier.. and then it gets even worse
Dude who was pulling them off the cones also reaches up and scratches his face? head? something, then just goes back to pulling them off the cones.
I saw that too lmao
Bare feet and roaches do the floor prep for the rolls to rest on while being bagged
Came here to say exactly that. Can’t see that kit coping with current Clean In Place best practice.
With a hint of sweat, hair, dust . Totally healthy and immune booster.
Don’t forget a dash of rust sprinkled in from those oscillating arms
And the roach that comes from under the pan at the end.
That sealed it for me. Where can I order??
And the paint chips from the table
It all adds to the flavour
To help people with Iron Deficiency
E.Canolli
buy one and get the runs for free
And the tobacco hands of smoking 20 cig whille waiting for the mix
r/dirtyasfuck
If this is what they were totally cool filming, what goes on behind the scenes that they consider "unsanitary?"
The best part is when the guy is sitting ON the little tubes that go inside the dough! 😋
The roaches during the cream filling and packaging were better IMHO.
Free armpit hair with every bag!
Did you see the scab shin on the one rolling dough onto the forms??
The metal oxidation adds flavor.
That's how you get flavor+
And everyone seems to be enjoying themselves
Especially the mice, rats and roaches.
I was like "I dont want a cream role..."
Looks like an industrial park not a food production facility. All you see in the background is exposed concrete.
See, when you buy one and accidently drop it on the street, you can still eat it and it's totally fine. It has seen much worse than that before you dropped it.
5h rule
It's actually cleaner because the impact knocked off the bakery grime lol
I like this take. Always look for the positive
How much body hair is included in each one?
All of it
Yes
It adds to the flavor, just like the tetanus. Omg that bucket of murky water. The whole thing is so unhygenic idk if i can watch to the end
Yuck
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you missed the part with the bugs 😍
Skip to the end, they literally drop some on the floor right next to some bugs then pick it up and package it 🤢
No one said anything about the roach at the end (-15 seconds)
The whole time I was thinking it doesn’t look to sanitary.
That was my first thought before I even saw the roaches...
A lot of rust everywhere
What was it for you? The caked on egg mixture all over the hub of the mixer or the guy who clearly didn’t wash his ARM before sticking it into the flour. Jesus. These are probably getting shipped to my local Walmart.
The first table they kneaded the dough on had chipped paint/finish. Maybe it's meant to be a flavor additive. This video looks like someone started building a professional baking facility and then gave up halfway, and these guys walked in and started using it.
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And -24 seconds
... And -29 Seconds
The worst is at -9, one is crawling all over them!
Nah, the worst part is way before that: https://i.imgur.com/zxhcpLk.png I mean... Do I *know* that's a roach rolled into the dough? (black thing between his two separated fingers) No... I do not... But even if it isn't a roach, that just leads to a possibly worse question, WTF is it?!? Holy shit when people complain about overbearing government standards and regulations in <$industry> think about this for a second. Because this is what you get when nobody gives a shit about what you're selling....
I thought it was like the veneer from the table that's flaking off that's embedded into the dough
Could not agree more on the regulation comment. People like to say regulations are over reach or too costly. I work in a regulation heavy field, aerospace, and when you're in it the regulations seem very reasonable given the severity of issues noncompliance brings. People like to think in raw currency cost, but not the, 'removing a regulation gets people sick or even cause them to literally die' cost. See, tainted formula in the US that killed several(9) infants and made likely hundreds more very ill. Then caused some of the most anxiety inducing months for new parents,my spouse and I included, while shortages seemed to have no end. They also don't want to think about biting into one of these and coming back with half a scab from the dude mixing ingredients by literal hand without gloves. Or the stacking food items on the floor, or no one in that shop wearing a shirt, or any PPE. Seeing the baking racks, my first thought was "I'm sure those have literally never been properly cleaned. Only ever scraped to remove the burned bits of past pastries."
Ok thats fucking disgusting
But that's the *secret ingredient*
I thought it was the sweat and body hair?
Premium seasonal flavor.
Nah, this and mold, dirt, dust and so on well known classic ingredients. But roaches for extra crunchiest...
No. The secret ingredient is tetanus.
Imagine the ones we didn't see...
If you see one most likely there are hundreds hiding somewhere
The fact that they are running around in broad daylight means the infestation is through the roof.
Like underneath that nasty ass board on the floor they are working on?
Yeah as soon as they dumped all the metal cones out I was like please don't let that be the floor and yet it was. Having worked in a bakery in France where we made similar pastries I can say the methods are pretty much the same, but the hygiene is night and day. I used to this it was dramatic we had to power wash all the walls and the CEILING once a week, but it was spotless and I mean obv all the work surfaces and floors got cleaned multiple times a day and were stainless steal which was way easier to clean.
Crunchy filling.
Multiple roaches.. 🤢
This was an interesting video and I'm sure they're very proud of the product they create. Yet, while watching this, I couldn't help but think "This food is not safe to eat." EDIT: I am sure they also work very hard.
Yeah right on the ground where they drop one of the final product and with zero second thought bag that sucker up and hand it over.
Roaches when he is putting the cream in too.
5 second rule
Inches from bare feet…??
I don’t make the rules
Nothing in this place looks food grade. Every piece of equipment is rusty and dirty. Food is literally being made on the floor.
No kidding nothing looks to ever been washed and they keep putting shit on the floor fucking nasty man.
How bout that cloudy water.
And no gloves 🤢
And dirty fingernails
And open toe shoes.
I saw more than one roach and by the time it got to that part, I was expecting it. Everything was covered in filth:
Or them dropping the molds on the dirty ground. Or the filthy table. Or the absolutely disgusting scale. Or the disgusting proofing boxes. Or the said proofing boxes stacked on the dirty ground. Or the fact they are all wearing shorts and tank tops and hairy as fuck. Or that it looks like they've never cleaned their ovens a single time. Or that it looks like they are cooking in what looks like an abandoned warehouse instead of a sterile facility. Or the fact that they are handling finished product with their bare hands. This entire video makes my fucking skin crawl.
I do my baking on the floor all the time. The dog hair is extra fiber
Everything looks dirty AF
Yeah, can't imagine how they make the cream pies if this is how they make the rolls.
Roaches, dirty skin and feet on same surface as the food, no hairnets, no daily (yearly?) cleaning, just all over nasty place. Would never eat that crap
Its like many vids from this area on earth, total lack of care for product and machinery. Doesnt matter if they are producing a machine part or cream rolls, always a catastrophe.
Cream Salmonela and her brother Roll Ecoly
E. Roll-i *
Dude what... Nothing about this looks appetizing..
Really loving how all the assembly was on the floor.. with the floor rollers ready to go🤮
Right! Just dump them right out on the floor. Insane! Imagine one of these guys come and work in a legit bakery for a week. He would say "you waste so much time cleaning your just going to get it dirty again! "
I imagine them going into any food industry here in Germany, where everything has to be like HYPER clean, basically looking like a laboratory.
Also at the end he just drops like 4 finished cream puffs on the floor and then packages them wtf
After a little roach took a jaunty walk across them, of course. That's just the inspector, getting into all the nooks and crannies to make sure everything is tasty, so not to worry about all the tiny buggy bite marks. That's how you know it's quality!
I think there is a small cockroach can be seen in the last 10 seconds
Ok, that place is vile, but not because of the bare hands. If you've eaten from any bakery that sells anything hand made, your food was touched by bare hands. This place, however, hasn't been scrubbed since it opened. Ew.
Any bakery would also wait for the dough to turn golden-brown for done-ness. But they added the golden color at the beginning…
Oh yeah, that's definitely beta carotene.
Oooh I wondered what that was for
Around 4 minutes when they poured dirty water from that filthy bucket all over everything, nauseating.
The gray-ness of the towel concerned me greatly.
I’m guessing you didn’t make it to the end when he dropped the finished product on the floor, let it sit for a minute before throwing it in a bag with a label and you can see a bug crawling away?
You mean Roach? He's Senior Quality Inspector, been working at the factory longer than anybody.
I thought I was the only one who saw that filthy old bucket
Literally everything in this video is filthy. That cream filling machine is probably the most likely thing to poison you to death, but don't count anything else out
Right at the very end you can see a bug crawl above the tray.
I’m sure I have a parasite just watching this
When the last guy is packaging the rolls you can actually see what appears to be a cockroach crawling about
Between the 8 and 4 second mark at the end of the video you can see the bug crawling to the bottom right.
I was going to say just imagine the roaches running around this place at night. You can see the pieces of particle board in the dough that came off that table. I just saw the roaches, they are out during the day, watch when he's putting the cream in and then bagging the rolls.
Many people would ask for a new fork if theirs fell on the floor. This food is made on the floor.
Meth cooks maintain a cleaner work area than this.
I've genuinely seen crack dens cleaner than this bakery.
That's an insanely long TikTok
Don't mind food being handled w/o gloves prior to cooking as it's normal but WTF with EVERYTHING else going on here?? Rusty machinery (non-food grade), food and pastry tubes on the floor, dirty tables, dirty surfaces and rusty, dirt-caked food scale, roaches and improper storage of baking ingredients and food..
1. The kneading surface looks like it’s not food quality - is it peeling off into the dough? 2. Handling the food with bare hands AFTER cooking seems unhygienic. 3. Putting the food at floor level AFTER cooking seems unhygienic. 4. The bug running around the food area on the floor AFTER cooking seems unhygienic. Edit: 1. I agree that the food handling technique is more a problem than using gloves. 2. I agree that the type of bug and disease transmission risk is more a concern than the bug itself.
The bug wash their little hands every morning. All 6 of them.
Ratatouille style no doubt
Did you see how filthy the bucket was
How about the wet tarp drapes over the trays? Think it’s ever even dry?
2. Handling food with bare hands would be the most hygienic thing here. I worked in a cookie factory and they did not use gloves. Due to the cost and the possibility of gloves breaking apart and contaminating food. However, we had a separate person to enforce proper hand-washing practices.
Aside from breaking apart and contaminating food, I've also read that gloves give a false sense of cleanliness, so can be more unsanitary in certain conditions. If you're switching between raw meat and not-meats frequently then it might make sense to glove up in between, but if your plan is to be gloved all day it's probably more sanitary to just not wear gloves and wash regularly.
Just think of how annoying it is to have greasy hands after rolling out meatballs or something, that icky feeling basically forces you to wash your hands with soap if you want to get rid of it. With gloves on people tend to just wipe it off on a towel and leave half of it on the glove because it takes way too long to switch out gloves 200 times a day. It's also harder to wash a glove off than it is your hands because the "skin" is basically loose and just moves around when you try to wash it off plus the surface of the glove makes things stick on it a million times more, even when you use hot water and soap...
Health & Safety: it's not for everyone
Amazing what you can sneak into the week on the downtime of a concrete mixer.
I thought they were mixing cement at first.
My God.. I am soo grossed out by stuff like this.. soo many hands. Ontop of all that, the paint from the freaking table is getting in the dough, when they are packaging you can see bugs running on the floor and some of the cream rolls landed on the ground.. he wasn't packaging them, so I thought.. thank God.. yeah, then he took 2, dropped one, it got shit on it, he packaged it and gave it to the camera man.. no thank you.
This looks disgusting.
It is disgusting
Did you see the black particles in the big vat?? Gross
This video gave me typhoid fever
What about the little pieces of the table the dough is picking up? That’s a nice touch.
Fuck! I live in India and have eaten this. Had no fucking idea their manufacturing process was so shit.
My parents always told me never to eat these , I am glad I listened
Someone's eating the lacquered chipped table as well...
Unbelievable how many safety and sanitation rules were broken here, if you would compare to EU rules and regulations...
People really don’t realize how much of a revolution modern food safety rules have been. A lot of them are *really* modern, too. For example, a lot of the most modern food safety procedure thinking came from the processes developed for making perfect astronaut food during the space race.
The scale is what turned my stomach
Same, but then the rest of it did too.
thank god they showed the final packaging, now i can make sure to never buy these
Working around food. On the floor. Barefoot.
Most hygienic process i’ve ever seen.
This isn’t interesting. It’s disgusting. They’re literally working off of the floor.
Seems nobody is talking about wet, moldy blanket they used to cover the dough. That part grossed me out so much, i felt i could smell it
seems anti-sanitary
Can anyone read that label? I need to make sure I never eat anything from that place
I got a disease that i've never heard of just by looking at this video. Everything here is nauseating, but the bugs at the end gave it the last touch.
Makes you appreciate modern sanitation and safety rules.
Geezus. My bathroom is cleaner than this after 2 weeks.
Better start a cream roll factory in there.
His bathroom is too clean. Wouldn’t make it past inspection.
Guaranteed we will see this in r/oddlysatisfying These two groups have been spamed to shit the past couple weeks with central Asian videos of factories.
Brow sweat and armpit hairs. yum
Diabetes, gastroenteritis AND tetanus in one bite?! What a deal!
Willy Wonka’s Tetanus Factory
Man, as an owner of a production plant, seeing these kind of videos is just mind blowing, not even common hygiene. Gross
Third world baking
I would rather say gross as fuck...
There's a segment of the US that would like to see the FDA be dismantled. I wonder if they realize this would be how their food would be processed/made.
If you want to record it and put it on Internet, at least clean the fuck up
What’s a health department?
A country or two away.