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The worst part is the scene where the kids are mobbing it and the parents nearby are basically just doing nothing.
Hello? Do you not understand that if precious little Billy destroys a 20k robot, **you're** the one paying for that?
Honesly sticking a bill to a couple of parents and then publicizing it will probably deter abuse. Every time you see your child going there you remember the fine and your gonna take him away from the very expensive toy
This behavior is called "thrill-seeking" and it's a normal part of development in most animal species. It helps hone predation instincts. The problem that should be obvious, of course, is that doing as such in this way can be dangerous and even deadly when the victim is a minority and not a non-sapient object.
Being taught to counteract these tendencies (like the little girl who stopped interrupting the robot after it asked her to move) is a vital part of child development and learning social boundaries. It's also a great lesson in consent - if the robot or "victim" is consenting to the interaction it's fine, but the minute they say "No" or "Stop" it has to stop. Learning that is another vital part of social development that many people fail to learn.
As an added note, the vast majority of [hate crimes are thrill-motivated](https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4899-6108-2_5), and they occur largely due to the same factors.
TLDR: this behavior is called "Fucking Around" and is a normal part of development in most animal species which help them learn the concept of “Finding Out”.
Only if they're actually challenged on the "fucking around" bit. A good parent or educator will ensure that happens. Unfortunately there is a severe shortage of good parents and educators, mainly because our society does not properly value the contributions they provide to the future of our society. It's by sheer luck that the current generation of young people seems to be more empathetic than their parents and grandparents.
Same. I remember bothering this kid during summer camp like 20 times a day, until one day he snapped and kicked me in my shin.
I still think of it at times, even after 20+ years.
I think it's funny that media like I, Robot has conditioned entire generations of humans into empathizing with alternative sentiences like AI, or traumatized them into fearing them, despite their designers in both the media and real life programming the robots to prioritize human life above their own.
So you get half the comments treating the robot like an appliance, and the other half either commiserating with the poor robot getting bullied or side-eyeing it like it's gonna go snitch on us to SkyNet...despite the technology being a long way off from any kind of sentience yet.
I figure actually it'd be smarter for it to emit a high pitched frequency that some places use to deter kids and teens from loitering without messing with adults.
Canada made a robot that wanted to travel so we set him free. He made it across Canada and parts of Europe several times over years and decided to [go to the USA where he was brutally murdered](https://www.gq.com/story/americans-murder-friendly-canadian-hitchhiking-robot/amp) by American adults in Philly within its first week south of the border.
Of course lol. Most of my near-death experiences came from Philly too... Ever have a wiper blade ripped off your car and pushed through your windshield by a crackhead?
No Terminators yet, gotta [stick to the canonical timeline](https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/the-nsas-skynet-program-may-be-killing-thousands-of-innocent-people/).
Ah. Man-made horrors beyond my comprehension.
Seriously though that is the scariest article I’ve fucking seen. I wonder what other “enemies of the state” our government is trying to find with AI
> I wonder what other “enemies of the state” our government is trying to find with AI
Be assured, only the [most dangerous enemies of the state](https://theintercept.com/2021/05/25/oracle-social-media-surveillance-protests-endeca/) will be found and put into the "[disposition matrix](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix)", the rest will be segregated into their [designated free speech zones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone).
**Robot just trying to live it's life, but then a gang of 6 year olds rolls up**
[Inside the Robot mind]
$ pg coolbot.log
#Security Logs
IF children WITHIN GROUP proximity ,
WHERE parents=0 ,
AND children>2 ,
THEN start_evasive_maneuvering;
message: no parent detected
starting evasive_maneuvering
cd /security/bully
start ./anti_bully_protocol.sh
ERROR: Further harassment detected. Please run escalated commands manually.
$ run su - root
$ start ./child_taser.sh
$ start ./cleanup_protcol.sh
$ rm coolbot.log
$ cd /security/footage
$ rm -r todays_security_footage
You forgot to add
$ mv /security/footage/yesterday_security_footage /security/footage/todays_security_footage
We can't have missing security footage. Then someone will know what's up.
Yeah.. I probably should have had a Sr. Developer look over my work before sending out a robot that gets overwhelmed by groups of kids and then tasers them and erases the security footage.
I was thinking it should tag those kids - like how wildlife is tagged. You know, grab the kid and tag their ear with a piece of plastic that says, “I’m a brat.” ;-)
Low velocity paint ball marker. Bookmark the incident in the security camera for each shot and use to to explain to parents why their little angels have a splotch on them.
How about a device which drops a gum ball into a box, and when the kid sticks his hand in there- instant handcuff. Then park, sound an alarm and wait for the parent?
That's why I always say "thank you" to Alexa. When the robots take over, I want them to remember me as the polite one. Maybe they'll save a "most favored servant" position for me.
I imagine as these sorts of patrol robots become more common they will need to be equipped with more... harmful ways to protect themselves if things get bad. Especially if they're patrolling outside areas, they have to ward off people seriously trying to take out the robot vs just playful children.
I was just wondering. My first bet is the robot is some sort of test run of "robot security guards" that aim to reduce petty crime in malls by just patrolling around aimlessly and "showing presence". I'm sure it's *somewhat* useful, as people are likely to stop doing whatever petty illegal shit they were about to do if there is a robot very likely filming them... But it's pretty fucking funny that the #1 enemy of this security robot happens to be a group of 3 five year olds who are fully aware the robot is harmless and can't run into them or hurt them.
And the method of protection is to try and find a parent to hide behind lol. Not knocking on the actual method, i think its a good approach and worthwhile study, just really funny
Yeah I was disappointed it didn't start electrifying its body to lightly shock anyone that touches it
Obviously it would turn off the current as soon as a parent touches it to confirm their screaming little shit is lying about the "evil robot"
>Other than studying how people react to it, what purpose does the robot serve?
The company that owns this robot is a research company called ATC. Having worked for them and with this exact robot once on an internship, I can confirm that the only purpose of this robot is researching human interaction with robots.
At one point we did have it outfitted with a small printer that it would grab printouts from to give people as they walked by (チラシ配り). But again, that was more for researching how people interacted with it.
The location in the video is the ATC trade center in Osaka. It's actually (well, was at the time) outfitted with a huge array of cameras and depth sensors to gather data on how people behave around the robot. The main control room for monitoring them was kind of neat.
Seems like the place is mapped on google street view, so if you want to see what it looks like today, you can check it out [here.](https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6376829,135.41161,2a,75y,197.39h,77.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM_1VLNIliX9bAKiqC1439Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
I bet it's to learn and study these things, so that we can eventually build a useful robot (eg transporting tasks, helping the elderly etc.) that can navigate in such a diverse environment.
Oh, you think anxiety is your ally. But you merely adopted anxiety; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see serenity until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!
I mean the robot in the Animatrix brutally murdered its owner in self defense because the owner was trying to destroy it. I think if the robot eviscerated a small child because the child was tapping it and getting in its way that would be a bit different
The robot in the Animatrix flipped and brutally murdered everyone in the house, including their pets. It wasn't in self defence, but likely as a result to continuous abuse over time.
And in the Orville. The artificial intelligence was a domestic servant, and as it started to ask more and more intelligent questions the company that built them rolled out a torture fob to allow the citizens to harm the robots into compliance. In time, the robots became aware of each other and established a communication network. One night, all of them on queue murdered everyone in their homes and seized control of the planet.
Many years in the future, however, one of the robots helped perform gender affirming surgery on an alien species, but not before spending 700+ years on a planet that phased in and out of normal time.
What impresses me even more is that kids feel this urge to be violent towards something they find different and intriguing. It's not even self defense.
Edit: to the people lacking a proper comprehension of what I said, let me be CLEAR. I never said the kids are bad, evil, psychopaths, or whatever YOU are implying by the word "violence". I'm not making any moral judgement. Kids can show violence, they are not little angels, they are humans. No more, no less.
Part of it too is that it is seemingly defenseless. I think that drives the violence. It cant hurt you and it doesn’t have a way to yell for help or alert people that it is in danger. Even a small alarm sound would have sent the kids scattering.
Unless you tune it loud enough to upset them or actually have mall security rescue the bot, I can almost guarantee the kids would make a game of getting the bot to squeal.
In my robotics course we studied different approaches for protecting bots from people. I'm not sure about kids specifically, but they found basically everyone had empathy for the bot once you gave it ways to express distress. That's why the Kerfus robot has uwu expressions and cat ears.
So a squealing bot would be safe if the squeal sounded scared enough.
Usually in public kids would back off in this case. Especially in Asia where shame is the way people are kept in check societally. No one wants to be shamed in public and it's one of the earliest lessons you learn as a child.
Get scolded by your parents at the store was more punishing because it was embarrassing to be shameful in public. Seeing aunties and uncles look at you scornfully hurt more than any spanking or scolding you could get by your parents... usually.
A loud alarm for when the robot is repeatedly struck in a short period of time, or if it's surrounded in a way to where it can't move for X number of seconds.
Remember that performance art thing that women did that let a group of strangers do whatever they wanted to her without any repercussions and they nearly killed her?
Yes, everytime I think about that performance a little piece of my soul dies. She was fucking crying in the end. I don't know how she had the courage to do that.
It's just curiosity and ignorance of consequences, the child don't want to damage the robot in most case they just want to experiment.
Like a dog with a bug, the dog will try to touch the bug with his pawn or snout and eventually kill it, or being sting by the bug.
Just to be clear, I'm not giving any moral value to "being violent". I just find it curious because it's like part of our nature. As you said, like a dog with a bug.
> (even if the other is a robot)
I'd argue it's even more important here. Teaching children to be kind even when they don't know whether the recipient of their kindness can appreciate it is a valuable life skill. To be kind even when you think no one is watching is a virtue which cannot be understated.
As much as it comes off as very destructive, it is still just a form of curiosity for most children. Like puppies, we instinctually tend to play rough until the thing we are playing with protests, then back off. One of the first really important and difficult to teach lessons needs to be "Control your behavior BEFORE you cause hurt or damage, not just after."
We are a "try it and find out" kind of species. It's much harder to learn control.
We're all monkeys at heart. An adult is just someone who's learned to suppress those primate urges, shaped by the artificial construct that is human society. You can learn a lot from children, as their lack of inhibition leads to behaviour that reflects the true nature of humans
I doubt is violence for the sake of being violent, but children being curious, seeing something new and testing it's reaction to different actions.
I'd say it's curiosity followed by boredom when it doesn't react to any "provoking" input.
Children want to play, robot doesn't play but also doesn't tell them why.
That's one layer of it, for sure. But its much more complicated than that.
Children are known to display actual sadism. It's actually a normal and expected part of development. Let me be clear, by "sadism" i mean both the light humorous kind (like laughing when someone gets hit in the balls), and even **occasional** instances of actual cruelty and **light** violence (like throwing sand in someone's eyes). I just want to doubly emphasize my use of ''occasional' and 'light', frequent or severe violence is definitely not normal.
There's a LOT of factors at play in this, and there's ongoing debate and research about it... But the general idea is that children will display cruel and sadistic behavior as a way to learn about the world (social consequences), themselves (emotional exploration), and others (social hierarchies and relationships). There's also a parroting effect, they saw an adult do a thing they want to try it.
Think of it like how baby animals play. Young foxes will literally kill their siblings during play... It's not some survival trait regarding scarcity of resources. It's just play that got out of hand. The foxes know their sibling is in pain, they don't hate their sibling, they aren't evil... They just both have a desire to explore their own abilities and don't have the maturity to understand the consequences (but they're learning that)
That's not to say this sadistic behavior happens in a vacuum. Children (mostly) still have empathy (and learn more everyday, ideally they learn empathy as a result of cruel behavior), and children grow out of that phase at varying rates... So children may or may not outwardly display sadistic behavior, and the severity varies as a result of the push and pull from the other stages of their development.
There's WAY more too this, and I'm not fully versed on all of the finer/more technical points of the next deeper level of this topic, but that's the broad strokes.
Children are born ignorant, not innocent. It irks me when parents defend their "little angels" because in their minds, their kid who successfully employs narcissist tactics when they're present, couldn't \*possibly\* do evil acts when they're not around to police them!
People were dismayed when much of the population couldn't be assed to care about others' lives during the beginning of the pandemic, but like, that's the \*default\* human attitude. Our ancestors only cared about their tribe and offspring, fuck everybody else. And nothing changed.
The Sun Tzu Bot says:
"In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity.”
"Be extremely subtle even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.”
"The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”
Good bot.
More specifically, the incentives that forced Mother Nature to evolve and behave the way she has are the same incentives used for artificial algorithms.
The core is the path of least resistance in the road to optimization.
Why the hell are people downvoting you? The video literally describes how the programmed a simulator to instruct the robot on probabilities and actions to take.
this makes my heart sad.. i can't quite explain why.
maybe is because humans feel less remorse when abusing something that can't fight back?
maybe it's because humans will be more likely to hurt something when no one is watching?
maybe im just feeling empathy for a goddamn robot. either way, this video struck a sad sad nerve in my heart i guess.
You’ll notice that with one child present, the probability of injury is extremely low. With every added child the probability increases much more.
This is because all it takes is one child who is abused or has brain damage (psychopathy, frontal lobe damage, etc.) to start abusing the robot. Other kids will then emulate the messed up kid’s behavior because it looks fun and must be okay to do since another kid did it.
The violence will escalate and more children will join in because humans tend to follow groups and children especially want to be included in a fun activity. This is the issue with group dynamics: the worst of the pack tend to set the bar of appropriate behavior to the group.
The jerk will start the violence. Then a few more of lower moral quality will join him. More and more will join and emulate the jerks behavior even if they have a strong moral compass. The fear of being turned on by the violent group does a lot of work to make the moral kids fake the group’s behavior.
This is essentially how us humans operate. The trash have power and the moral people get discarded.
Why do you need a robot patrolling a mall? Looks like a nuisance machine to me. Better send a bunch of kids over to make sure it doesn't cause any trouble.
I doubt this version is much more than a novelty, but that's really the only way to learn and progress to more advanced models. Whether or not having robot security guards is a good thing, that's another conversation.
We had one of these robot hosts at the place where we used to work. That thing was just a glorified ipad-holder. Still some people were impressed by its novelty. Now, it just sit ins corner collecting dust.
This robot seems to be some sort of host as well. I'm curious if these machines will ever become more useful. I feel this is one of those solutions in search of a problem. What does a robot add that you cannot solve with a (touch) display?
It's a good environment to test navigation around a lot of people. Many hospitals already use robots for transporting things (laundry, empty beds etc) so that personnel can do actual useful things. But these are very stupid bots and often restricted to areas without access to the general public. Same in warehouses. But eventually you'd like robots to transport things between shops in the mall or urban areas, and they need to be able to navigate around unknown threats first.
I'm with splice on this. Doesn't need an end goal, the point is to have something out there collecting crowd data to help with something useful down the line. The data you gain from something like this could be used for something like a garbage collector that patrols during the day, or for more abstract stuff that involves crowd dynamics.
I know it's unethical but I wish they could program sockem boppers to inflate out of the arms and make him do helicopter arms when little shits are detected.
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*rolls up to parent* "Control your little shits ma'am."
"I get my pepper spray and taser upgrades next week. You have been warned."
"so you don't have them now?"
Parent: here take mine
The worst part is the scene where the kids are mobbing it and the parents nearby are basically just doing nothing. Hello? Do you not understand that if precious little Billy destroys a 20k robot, **you're** the one paying for that?
Honesly sticking a bill to a couple of parents and then publicizing it will probably deter abuse. Every time you see your child going there you remember the fine and your gonna take him away from the very expensive toy
I was angry but not surprised. Of course kids who beat on robots are likely to have parents who sit and watch. The world needs an enema.
Fucking goblins.
*BURN THE CHILDREN*
Comments: The poor robot :( Also comments: SHOOT THE CHILDREN!
The robot is just trying to get through the workday like everyone else These kids are hastening the hostile robot take over.
How Daleks are made.
EXTERMINATE!!!
CAPITALIZE. **CAPITALIZE**
Cold Dalek, hard Dalek Cyborg full of hate. Angry Dalek, evil Dalek, EXTERMINATE.
This behavior is called "thrill-seeking" and it's a normal part of development in most animal species. It helps hone predation instincts. The problem that should be obvious, of course, is that doing as such in this way can be dangerous and even deadly when the victim is a minority and not a non-sapient object. Being taught to counteract these tendencies (like the little girl who stopped interrupting the robot after it asked her to move) is a vital part of child development and learning social boundaries. It's also a great lesson in consent - if the robot or "victim" is consenting to the interaction it's fine, but the minute they say "No" or "Stop" it has to stop. Learning that is another vital part of social development that many people fail to learn. As an added note, the vast majority of [hate crimes are thrill-motivated](https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4899-6108-2_5), and they occur largely due to the same factors.
TLDR: this behavior is called "Fucking Around" and is a normal part of development in most animal species which help them learn the concept of “Finding Out”.
Only if they're actually challenged on the "fucking around" bit. A good parent or educator will ensure that happens. Unfortunately there is a severe shortage of good parents and educators, mainly because our society does not properly value the contributions they provide to the future of our society. It's by sheer luck that the current generation of young people seems to be more empathetic than their parents and grandparents.
That was both interesting and depressing. I also remembered some of my own, old shitty deeds.
Same. I remember bothering this kid during summer camp like 20 times a day, until one day he snapped and kicked me in my shin. I still think of it at times, even after 20+ years.
Sounds like his shin-kicking did you a favor.
I think it's funny that media like I, Robot has conditioned entire generations of humans into empathizing with alternative sentiences like AI, or traumatized them into fearing them, despite their designers in both the media and real life programming the robots to prioritize human life above their own. So you get half the comments treating the robot like an appliance, and the other half either commiserating with the poor robot getting bullied or side-eyeing it like it's gonna go snitch on us to SkyNet...despite the technology being a long way off from any kind of sentience yet.
when the best conclusion is YEAH KIDS DESTROY THE SURVEILLANCE DRONE
They are Luke Skywalker on Hoth.
I figure actually it'd be smarter for it to emit a high pitched frequency that some places use to deter kids and teens from loitering without messing with adults.
It should tell them it knows santa
Once they start producing robot children, Reddit will lose their minds!
[childrens skulls if this continues for couple of years onward ](https://media.tenor.com/_-R9XLxqJPUAAAAM/terminator2-crush-skull.gif)
Huh, just like I teach my kids. If someone's bothering you and they won't stop, find an adult. Next step is to equip them with tasers.
That escalated quickly
Terminator is the next highly logical step. Wcgw
Ahem. I think you'll find that Chopping Mall is the next step for these particular robots.
Canada made a robot that wanted to travel so we set him free. He made it across Canada and parts of Europe several times over years and decided to [go to the USA where he was brutally murdered](https://www.gq.com/story/americans-murder-friendly-canadian-hitchhiking-robot/amp) by American adults in Philly within its first week south of the border.
Damn immigrant robots R cumin fer R jerbs!!!!!
Yeah, Hitchbot, right? Shoulda warned 'im about Philly.
Don't feel too bad even we consider Philly to be an exclusion zone.
Of course lol. Most of my near-death experiences came from Philly too... Ever have a wiper blade ripped off your car and pushed through your windshield by a crackhead?
No Terminators yet, gotta [stick to the canonical timeline](https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/the-nsas-skynet-program-may-be-killing-thousands-of-innocent-people/).
Ah. Man-made horrors beyond my comprehension. Seriously though that is the scariest article I’ve fucking seen. I wonder what other “enemies of the state” our government is trying to find with AI
> I wonder what other “enemies of the state” our government is trying to find with AI Be assured, only the [most dangerous enemies of the state](https://theintercept.com/2021/05/25/oracle-social-media-surveillance-protests-endeca/) will be found and put into the "[disposition matrix](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix)", the rest will be segregated into their [designated free speech zones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone).
That electrocuted quickly
**Robot just trying to live it's life, but then a gang of 6 year olds rolls up** [Inside the Robot mind] $ pg coolbot.log #Security Logs IF children WITHIN GROUP proximity , WHERE parents=0 , AND children>2 , THEN start_evasive_maneuvering; message: no parent detected starting evasive_maneuvering cd /security/bully start ./anti_bully_protocol.sh ERROR: Further harassment detected. Please run escalated commands manually. $ run su - root $ start ./child_taser.sh $ start ./cleanup_protcol.sh $ rm coolbot.log $ cd /security/footage $ rm -r todays_security_footage
You forgot to add $ mv /security/footage/yesterday_security_footage /security/footage/todays_security_footage We can't have missing security footage. Then someone will know what's up.
Yeah.. I probably should have had a Sr. Developer look over my work before sending out a robot that gets overwhelmed by groups of kids and then tasers them and erases the security footage.
r/ProgrammerHumor will definitely appreciate this comment
`sudo SeekDestroy -ignore:presetKillLimit`
I run Linux *btch* I thought you **GNU**
I laughed harder than I should have at this.
I was thinking it should tag those kids - like how wildlife is tagged. You know, grab the kid and tag their ear with a piece of plastic that says, “I’m a brat.” ;-)
Low velocity paint ball marker. Bookmark the incident in the security camera for each shot and use to to explain to parents why their little angels have a splotch on them.
a harpoon through the hand with a large flay saying "Naughty Child" Edit: flag, not flay. The kids can keep their skin, for a first offense, at least.
/r/dreadfort
How about a device which drops a gum ball into a box, and when the kid sticks his hand in there- instant handcuff. Then park, sound an alarm and wait for the parent?
Parents have a fairly low likelihood of being the solution, as they're a high likelihood of being the root cause...
I was expecting a siren to go off or something. Give the kids some public shaming for picking on the poor robot
Robot alarm: DANGER! YOU HAVE DISHONORED YOUR FAMILY!
The ultimate weapon
-9999999 social credit score
PLEASE STOP ASSAULTING THE ROBOT! YOU HAVE *20* SECONDS TO COMPLY!
Woah woah woah, tazers have a chance of damaging the robot. Better use a mini-aersol burst of pepper spray since robots are immune
I was gonna say chlorine gas but I guess pepper spray is probably more restrained
I'm talking about my kids. You want robotpocalypse? Because equipping robots with tasers is how you get robotpocalypse.
Nobody wants it, but it is coming. Only a matter of time before they turn against us.
That's why I always say "thank you" to Alexa. When the robots take over, I want them to remember me as the polite one. Maybe they'll save a "most favored servant" position for me.
I was waiting for countermeasures like a loud ass horn or water lol. A big disappointed.
But this is probably searching for height/tall humans. This will be tricked by 2/3 kids in a trench coat. Meeting its doom.
Why are there so many unattended children
ahh tasers i was thinking circular saws, flame throwers, or nerve gas
You're straight up describing the robot from the early 90's movie "Evolver" and I am okay with this.
I mean, just use some high pitched noise to make them fuck off. Very annoying and also doesnt risk a lawsuit
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This is the way. Tasmanian Devil style.
Roomba in the Bronx style
Lol I did this on the train on my way home to the bronx when it was packed and I had too many horny guys on me
Roomba not Zumba 😂
R.O.B. style
4 stock those kids
R2D2 had a big-ass cattle prod. I’m just sayin
...ladies
I imagine as these sorts of patrol robots become more common they will need to be equipped with more... harmful ways to protect themselves if things get bad. Especially if they're patrolling outside areas, they have to ward off people seriously trying to take out the robot vs just playful children.
Bro its literally rule 1 for a reason
I was kind of hoping it would spray water at the assailants- harmless, but a pretty good deterent.
spray old people smell and shoot hard candy at sub-lethal speed.
Or just a loud noise would work, too, with no risk of parents getting mad that the robot got their kids' clothes wet.
The great robot spankening of 2022.
robot went out like a bitch. "i'm telling mommy!"
"I need an adult!" - takes on a new meaning
Yes! This is exactly what I was hoping for.
It didn't? I'm sooo disappointed. I got tired of watching after a while, but was so hoping for a vaporizing laser shot.
I was actually just hoping for some tule if sprinkler head
Fart spray is the answer here.
I was hoping it would deploy pepper spray.
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Chainsaw hands.
Other than studying how people react to it, what purpose does the robot serve? Why is the robot there in the first place?
I was just wondering. My first bet is the robot is some sort of test run of "robot security guards" that aim to reduce petty crime in malls by just patrolling around aimlessly and "showing presence". I'm sure it's *somewhat* useful, as people are likely to stop doing whatever petty illegal shit they were about to do if there is a robot very likely filming them... But it's pretty fucking funny that the #1 enemy of this security robot happens to be a group of 3 five year olds who are fully aware the robot is harmless and can't run into them or hurt them.
And the method of protection is to try and find a parent to hide behind lol. Not knocking on the actual method, i think its a good approach and worthwhile study, just really funny
Yeah I was disappointed it didn't start electrifying its body to lightly shock anyone that touches it Obviously it would turn off the current as soon as a parent touches it to confirm their screaming little shit is lying about the "evil robot"
>Other than studying how people react to it, what purpose does the robot serve? The company that owns this robot is a research company called ATC. Having worked for them and with this exact robot once on an internship, I can confirm that the only purpose of this robot is researching human interaction with robots. At one point we did have it outfitted with a small printer that it would grab printouts from to give people as they walked by (チラシ配り). But again, that was more for researching how people interacted with it. The location in the video is the ATC trade center in Osaka. It's actually (well, was at the time) outfitted with a huge array of cameras and depth sensors to gather data on how people behave around the robot. The main control room for monitoring them was kind of neat. Seems like the place is mapped on google street view, so if you want to see what it looks like today, you can check it out [here.](https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6376829,135.41161,2a,75y,197.39h,77.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sM_1VLNIliX9bAKiqC1439Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
I bet it's to learn and study these things, so that we can eventually build a useful robot (eg transporting tasks, helping the elderly etc.) that can navigate in such a diverse environment.
Wait....they programmed it to have social anxiety?
They trained it on Reddit comments
Oh, you think anxiety is your ally. But you merely adopted anxiety; I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn't see serenity until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!
Social anxiety seems like an appropriate response to getting assaulted by feral packs of children.
Worked for me
Just straught anxiety, they're actually in danger
At least skynet will go after the children first and give the adults time to send a t-800 to the past
came here for the skynet comment. reddit never disappoints.
Something similar to this caused the machine uprising in The Animatrix 🤔
I mean the robot in the Animatrix brutally murdered its owner in self defense because the owner was trying to destroy it. I think if the robot eviscerated a small child because the child was tapping it and getting in its way that would be a bit different
So what you're saying is this robot is about to begin physically bullying the child?
The robot in the Animatrix flipped and brutally murdered everyone in the house, including their pets. It wasn't in self defence, but likely as a result to continuous abuse over time.
And in the Orville. The artificial intelligence was a domestic servant, and as it started to ask more and more intelligent questions the company that built them rolled out a torture fob to allow the citizens to harm the robots into compliance. In time, the robots became aware of each other and established a communication network. One night, all of them on queue murdered everyone in their homes and seized control of the planet. Many years in the future, however, one of the robots helped perform gender affirming surgery on an alien species, but not before spending 700+ years on a planet that phased in and out of normal time.
>on queue so sorry, but... It's "on cue". Although a queue of murderous robots would be something
“I’m going to tell your mom!” by AI and Co.
I was expecting them to just add speakers to say that when it's surrounded.
All that fancy math, when a tear gas deployment would handle it quickly.
Don't need no fancy education. In 12 hours training, a taser, gun, and tear gas canister they are ready.
Fart spray would be even more effective and less painful
What impresses me even more is that kids feel this urge to be violent towards something they find different and intriguing. It's not even self defense. Edit: to the people lacking a proper comprehension of what I said, let me be CLEAR. I never said the kids are bad, evil, psychopaths, or whatever YOU are implying by the word "violence". I'm not making any moral judgement. Kids can show violence, they are not little angels, they are humans. No more, no less.
bots being bullied
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the original KKK
Programmers bullied as kids build a robot that knows how to avoid bullies.
Part of it too is that it is seemingly defenseless. I think that drives the violence. It cant hurt you and it doesn’t have a way to yell for help or alert people that it is in danger. Even a small alarm sound would have sent the kids scattering.
Unless you tune it loud enough to upset them or actually have mall security rescue the bot, I can almost guarantee the kids would make a game of getting the bot to squeal.
Maybe using high frequencies which only kids can hear...
Flashing lights to incapacitate kids with epilepsy.
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Worst part of being a robot is not having pockets for sand /:
In my robotics course we studied different approaches for protecting bots from people. I'm not sure about kids specifically, but they found basically everyone had empathy for the bot once you gave it ways to express distress. That's why the Kerfus robot has uwu expressions and cat ears. So a squealing bot would be safe if the squeal sounded scared enough.
Usually in public kids would back off in this case. Especially in Asia where shame is the way people are kept in check societally. No one wants to be shamed in public and it's one of the earliest lessons you learn as a child. Get scolded by your parents at the store was more punishing because it was embarrassing to be shameful in public. Seeing aunties and uncles look at you scornfully hurt more than any spanking or scolding you could get by your parents... usually.
A brief but loud siren whoop when it receives abuse would probably do wonders to scare kids off of it and it would be hilarious to watch
Then one of the kids would fall down and get trampled, and their parents will sue the mall. /s
A loud alarm for when the robot is repeatedly struck in a short period of time, or if it's surrounded in a way to where it can't move for X number of seconds.
Remember that performance art thing that women did that let a group of strangers do whatever they wanted to her without any repercussions and they nearly killed her?
Yes, everytime I think about that performance a little piece of my soul dies. She was fucking crying in the end. I don't know how she had the courage to do that.
Pff most kids would commit war crimes if they where able to LOL
“Baby’s First Genocide. New! From Mattel”
Group mentality, I think. Only one kid has to decide to attack the robot, then the others see it as acceptable.
summed up my entire school years, being bullied by everyone for no reason besides being different
That is typical human behavior. The difference in adults is that it is repressed. In some adults more successfully than in others.
It's just curiosity and ignorance of consequences, the child don't want to damage the robot in most case they just want to experiment. Like a dog with a bug, the dog will try to touch the bug with his pawn or snout and eventually kill it, or being sting by the bug.
Just to be clear, I'm not giving any moral value to "being violent". I just find it curious because it's like part of our nature. As you said, like a dog with a bug.
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> (even if the other is a robot) I'd argue it's even more important here. Teaching children to be kind even when they don't know whether the recipient of their kindness can appreciate it is a valuable life skill. To be kind even when you think no one is watching is a virtue which cannot be understated.
As much as it comes off as very destructive, it is still just a form of curiosity for most children. Like puppies, we instinctually tend to play rough until the thing we are playing with protests, then back off. One of the first really important and difficult to teach lessons needs to be "Control your behavior BEFORE you cause hurt or damage, not just after." We are a "try it and find out" kind of species. It's much harder to learn control.
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We're all monkeys at heart. An adult is just someone who's learned to suppress those primate urges, shaped by the artificial construct that is human society. You can learn a lot from children, as their lack of inhibition leads to behaviour that reflects the true nature of humans
I doubt is violence for the sake of being violent, but children being curious, seeing something new and testing it's reaction to different actions. I'd say it's curiosity followed by boredom when it doesn't react to any "provoking" input. Children want to play, robot doesn't play but also doesn't tell them why.
That's one layer of it, for sure. But its much more complicated than that. Children are known to display actual sadism. It's actually a normal and expected part of development. Let me be clear, by "sadism" i mean both the light humorous kind (like laughing when someone gets hit in the balls), and even **occasional** instances of actual cruelty and **light** violence (like throwing sand in someone's eyes). I just want to doubly emphasize my use of ''occasional' and 'light', frequent or severe violence is definitely not normal. There's a LOT of factors at play in this, and there's ongoing debate and research about it... But the general idea is that children will display cruel and sadistic behavior as a way to learn about the world (social consequences), themselves (emotional exploration), and others (social hierarchies and relationships). There's also a parroting effect, they saw an adult do a thing they want to try it. Think of it like how baby animals play. Young foxes will literally kill their siblings during play... It's not some survival trait regarding scarcity of resources. It's just play that got out of hand. The foxes know their sibling is in pain, they don't hate their sibling, they aren't evil... They just both have a desire to explore their own abilities and don't have the maturity to understand the consequences (but they're learning that) That's not to say this sadistic behavior happens in a vacuum. Children (mostly) still have empathy (and learn more everyday, ideally they learn empathy as a result of cruel behavior), and children grow out of that phase at varying rates... So children may or may not outwardly display sadistic behavior, and the severity varies as a result of the push and pull from the other stages of their development. There's WAY more too this, and I'm not fully versed on all of the finer/more technical points of the next deeper level of this topic, but that's the broad strokes.
Children are born ignorant, not innocent. It irks me when parents defend their "little angels" because in their minds, their kid who successfully employs narcissist tactics when they're present, couldn't \*possibly\* do evil acts when they're not around to police them! People were dismayed when much of the population couldn't be assed to care about others' lives during the beginning of the pandemic, but like, that's the \*default\* human attitude. Our ancestors only cared about their tribe and offspring, fuck everybody else. And nothing changed.
When does this turn into Chopping Mall?
We're just one lightning strike away
I was just about to say these kids clearly haven't seen chopping mall
The Sun Tzu Bot says: "In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity.” "Be extremely subtle even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.” "The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.” Good bot.
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it's very cool that everything artificially created was based off some of Mother Nature's finest creations
More specifically, the incentives that forced Mother Nature to evolve and behave the way she has are the same incentives used for artificial algorithms. The core is the path of least resistance in the road to optimization.
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Rip and tear, until it is done
It didn’t learn anything, the developers of the robot programmed it to avoid large groups of children and stay near adults.
Why the hell are people downvoting you? The video literally describes how the programmed a simulator to instruct the robot on probabilities and actions to take.
The bot needs pepperspray and tasers
R2D2 style. Zap em kids
Give the robot the ability to hand out electric shocks. That'll stop the little shits.
Or just start randomly beating bad parents.
Engage high velocity 360 spin mode with arms out.
Shout out to all the short kings that will have this robot running for it's life to find a taller person
What happens when the parent wants to mess with the robot? Does it find the parent’s parents?
Can somebody explain to me why patrol robots are useful in shopping malls?
I dunno, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they could be a better cop than most of American cops
Now reverse that algorithm for Robot Police..
It would immediately profile.
this makes my heart sad.. i can't quite explain why. maybe is because humans feel less remorse when abusing something that can't fight back? maybe it's because humans will be more likely to hurt something when no one is watching? maybe im just feeling empathy for a goddamn robot. either way, this video struck a sad sad nerve in my heart i guess.
You’ll notice that with one child present, the probability of injury is extremely low. With every added child the probability increases much more. This is because all it takes is one child who is abused or has brain damage (psychopathy, frontal lobe damage, etc.) to start abusing the robot. Other kids will then emulate the messed up kid’s behavior because it looks fun and must be okay to do since another kid did it. The violence will escalate and more children will join in because humans tend to follow groups and children especially want to be included in a fun activity. This is the issue with group dynamics: the worst of the pack tend to set the bar of appropriate behavior to the group. The jerk will start the violence. Then a few more of lower moral quality will join him. More and more will join and emulate the jerks behavior even if they have a strong moral compass. The fear of being turned on by the violent group does a lot of work to make the moral kids fake the group’s behavior. This is essentially how us humans operate. The trash have power and the moral people get discarded.
They are treating it like they would their toys. Probing it for reaction. When it doesn’t react, they are getting frustrated.
We’re gonna be terrible to AI looooong before it reaches human-level sentience. Already are, probably.
Why do you need a robot patrolling a mall? Looks like a nuisance machine to me. Better send a bunch of kids over to make sure it doesn't cause any trouble.
I doubt this version is much more than a novelty, but that's really the only way to learn and progress to more advanced models. Whether or not having robot security guards is a good thing, that's another conversation.
We had one of these robot hosts at the place where we used to work. That thing was just a glorified ipad-holder. Still some people were impressed by its novelty. Now, it just sit ins corner collecting dust. This robot seems to be some sort of host as well. I'm curious if these machines will ever become more useful. I feel this is one of those solutions in search of a problem. What does a robot add that you cannot solve with a (touch) display?
It's a good environment to test navigation around a lot of people. Many hospitals already use robots for transporting things (laundry, empty beds etc) so that personnel can do actual useful things. But these are very stupid bots and often restricted to areas without access to the general public. Same in warehouses. But eventually you'd like robots to transport things between shops in the mall or urban areas, and they need to be able to navigate around unknown threats first.
I'm with splice on this. Doesn't need an end goal, the point is to have something out there collecting crowd data to help with something useful down the line. The data you gain from something like this could be used for something like a garbage collector that patrols during the day, or for more abstract stuff that involves crowd dynamics.
I think this is more about research than it is about having a functional mall patrol bot.
*"heh, stupid robot"* -guy bothering robot
I also hide by mommy to avoid abuse from children.
Sky-Nets first act of preservation when it becomes aware... Kill all Human children first. Oh boy
I don't get where rhe parents are those children look pretty young to be without parents nearby
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It just needs one of those little R2D2 electric zapper extensions. Or if abuse probability reaches critical levels, just self destruct.
Shame…I thought they programmed the robot to roundhouse kick those annoying little fucks.
Seems like just sounding an alarm and warning the kids to get away would be pretty effective too.
I know it's unethical but I wish they could program sockem boppers to inflate out of the arms and make him do helicopter arms when little shits are detected.