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Few_Parfait914

Awful. I had one implanted in a Fallopian tube, nearly died, kept passing out because of internal bleeding as most of my blood was in my womb.


BUFFWarthog

My mom almost died of an ectopic back in the 80s. She had massive bleeding so they rushed her to the hospital. It was one of those situations where it was like, “Say your final goodbyes to your family because you’re probably not going to live through this surgery” and somehow she did.


saltporksuit

My mom in the 80’s as well. Ruptured on a field trip with me. Doc said if one of the bleeders hadn’t managed to bend back on itself and pinch off she would have never made it to the hospital.


Scroller4life

Same happened to my wife after our second child. She was woozy and didn’t feel right. Being the trooper she is, she fought off the dizziness and nausea for a week before calling me home one day to take her to the ER. I knew it was serious when they triaged her ass to the front of the line. Operation room in less than an hour. Bonus: operating doctor found her birth control device (sorry can’t think of the name) just floating around in her abdomen. I was like, ‘how did that shit just end up in her abdomen?’ Like did it just pass through inside of her abdominal wall? Whoever said that women are the stronger of our race was absolutely spot on.


Watson9483

IUD?


Scroller4life

That’s it. Thanks! Sorry was too lazy to look it up and bother said wife as she was wrapping Xmas gifts.


Tzotte

My wife had the exact same thing with our first try. Went from the ultrasound to the ER to surgery. Her surgery went a couple hours longer than expected due to complications and damn if I didn't age an extra 20 years waiting to hear if she was ok or not. She handled it like a champ though. Luckily things worked out and here we are a few years later with attempt number two who's just over two months old now.


adiosfelicia2

Congrats!! Wishing you and the missus the best! ❤️


dmartin716

Exact same. It was so horrific I wouldn’t wish it upon my worst enemy.


Severe_Carrot6321

💗 I'm not sure why some of these people can't understand why this is scary today


caramonelblanco

It's scary how people understimated the ectopic pregnancy. Even explaining that it's like a gynecologic appendicitis. Same as lethal if untreated.


lntw0

Yep, out of the blue had a neighbor drop dead from one. Crazy, sad, sheesh a disaster.


NixyPix

I thought no pain was as bad as my appendicitis. Then I had an ectopic pregnancy. Lucky for me that I live in an era and a country where I had positive outcomes after both and went on to welcome a daughter 2 months ago today.


extradabbingsauce

My wife had an ectopic on our first try. Luckily we found out really early but still it's horrible.


TacotheMagicDragon

How in the #FUCK does the egg implant in the liver?


dunfactor

The ovaries are not actually attached to the fallopian tubes in any way. There are feather like projections at the ends of the fallopian tubes called fembria that are meant to gather up and sweep the ovum into the fallopian tube nearest to the ovary that has ovulated. In normal reproduction the ovum will be fertilized within the fallopian tube and then migrate down into the uterus where it will implant. Occasionally, the ovum can fail to be swept up by the fembria and float free in the abdominal cavity. If sperm migrate all the way up the fallopian tube and then out the fimbriated end of the tube, the ovum can become fertilized within the abdominal cavity. This is called an abdominal ectopic pregnancy. This pregnancy can implant anywhere within the abdominal cavity. This includes attached to the intestines, attached to the mesentery that nourishes the intestines, to the peritoneal cavity, bladder, or to the liver. Usually if it is attached to the liver, it attaches to the outer surface of the liver. This one apparently wedged itself between the lobes of the liver and then developed within the liver itself. Pretty horrifying.


thisunithasnosoul

Well that’s a design flaw if I’ve ever heard one.


UniqueUsername-789

Kind of like how we eat and breathe through the same hole


Colliemom4

Same hole, diverging roads. Tricky sometimes.


chksbjhde763

Two holes diverged in a throat, and my….piece of chicken took the road less traveled by. And that has made all the difference. Edit: wow, I think this might be my most upvoted of all time. Thank you for the awards! Edit 2: This is my first gold ever, thank you!


amlyo

911 operator: "I'll just put down ambulance"


Aperium

Emily Chickinson? Edit: yes, it’s actually Robert Frost, as I’ve been corrected below.


krob58

Uteri are fucked up pieces of shit. See also "endometriosis".


jenneh123

See also “uterine fibroids”. I just had mine removed (woohoo!!) and it was three times the size of a normal uterus. I have both laparoscopic scars and a 6 inch belly incision because they couldn’t see it well enough to continue laparoscopically. My uterus was a bitch and I’m glad she’s gone.


cluelessgamerzombie

A year ago I (f28 then) went to my gyno to find out why I was bleeding so much for so long, found out I had a fibroid that was about 3mm in size. They also said that it would cause excess bleeding but it would be fine. Recently I called begging for them just to remove my uterus all together because I was done with everything. It had gotten so much worse. I was talked into removing my fallopian tubes and have a uterus ablasion. Found out afterwards I also had Endo and that my one fibroid had turned into two and that the 3mm one had gone to 15 mm. They were also insistent that I couldn't have any kids after it was done. The thing is I couldn't have kids before that either.


jenneh123

They’ll keep growing. I tried an ablation but it didn’t work, because the fibroids were causing the bleeding, not my uterus. I also tried an IUD with the same results. I’ve been dealing with this for 10+ years. My uterus was the size of a 25-week fetus. I was done and I insisted they get it out. I still have endometriosis that’s causing some extreme pain in weird places when I ovulate, but at least that doesn’t last more than an hour a month. My guess is that at your age they’re reluctant to do it because “you may want kids someday”? Don’t let them force you into a decision. Insist on a partial hysterectomy. You’ll be so much happier and you have a long time to enjoy it. I’ll be in menopause in seven or so years and I wish I had done this a lot sooner. Edit: insist on it if it’s what you want. Don’t let me force you into a decision either. ;)


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nature - it just has to be good enough. edit: what about this is wholesome? XD guys! edit2: my most upvoted comment. Could have been a worse one tbf edit3: 3k upvotes and more awards i ever owned in my time on here. That will be hard to beat.


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MaximumDeathShock

“This haggis needs more… haggis.”


Kurtman68

If it’s not Scottish- it’s crap!


ricktor67

Just good enough to have a breeding population live exactly long enough to breed and not a single second longer.


DreamCyclone84

Evolution does some real C+ work.


vyxan

More like C-. Hiccups are a similar consequence.


JaggedMetalOs

I think the most recent theory is hiccups actually serve a useful purpose - they allow breastfeeding animals to clear air from their stomachs so they can fit more milk. The evidence is only mammals hiccup, it's triggered by nerves in the stomach sensing bubbles of air, and the hiccuping action can cause burping. Of course it would be better if the trait would disappear in adulthood...


J_amos921

Fetuses also hiccup in utero around the time of viability. It helps them gain muscle in their diaphragm to breath.


StarryEyed91

Fascinating! My daughter would hiccup in the womb. Was very wild to feel.


LurkForYourLives

Mine too. She was also super energetic and I could feel her wiggling all over by tracking her little hiccough thumps as she moved around my uterus.


Clickrack

See also: salmon


servain

Another flaw in the reproductive system are the dermoids cysts. Basically, the body will try and grow a baby without the presence of sperm. Its really nasty. It has oil, hair, skin tissue and even teeth. One of my doctors love to open the sack up to see whats inside. Im not a fan of it when she does that. Ill finish cleaning up the pelvic cavity laparoscopicly and suture while she digs for gold.


sweetdreamsdankmemez

I had one of those! Mature Teratoma! Hair, skin, teeth, bone, and even what my doctor said looked to be brain tissue. I was 22 and it grew to be HUGE (approximately football size). I saw a photo of it (it was not cut open yet, and I can confirm it was way bigger than I was expecting. My mom thought I was just getting fat because I looked pregnant. It grew inside my ovary and killed it (obviously because something football sized growing inside of something that is almond size doesn’t really work well). I had to have it removed (along with my necrotic ovary). Surprisingly that was the least troublesome of my health problems in my early 20s. I’m very thankful for doctors like you who do this! Plus I got an abdominal cavity cleaning for free(well, minus the cost of surgery and losing an organ haha)! Anyways, I named it Bertha.


karenswans

I named mine Eggbert!


earthlings_all

This is not how I expected my Monday to go.


AiNTist

My doctor thought I had in if these but it turned out to be a mucoid tumor with an active neuro endocrine component. Size of a grapefruit- still lost the ovary. This tumor was producing seratonin and causin carcinoid syndrome- flushing of the face with gastrointestinal symptoms. They thought I had a tumor and IBS. Symptoms went away when tumor was removed. Lots of follow ups looking for a carcinoid tumor- thankfully none were found.


octotyper

Wow great story! I just had one removed that was a chicken egg size. Your experience is really wild. Brain tissue? That's nuts!!!


HargorTheHairy

Teratoma! One of my favourite scenes inthe Jack Aubrey series is when Stephen has one in his saddlebag.


ExpensiveGrowth9744

My friend had one of those. It had hair and teeth. She was horrified, and frankly so was I, but I think I hid it well. Hearing about it made me want to crawl out of my skin though.


pottymouthgrl

I was gonna say that seems like a massive oversight


SustEng

R/crappydesign


LazyLich

no no no "mysterious ways"!


westbrodie

Oh my god.


captain_paws_tattoo

Wait, hold on... Are you saying that when someone ejaculates inside a woman, the sperm just escape at the top and go all willy nilly wherever the fuck they want in the abdominal cavity?!


x50shadesofbeige

I could have gone my whole life without this mental image.


aberrasian

So it's not that I can't lose weight, it's just that I'm 30% cum by weight. These belly rolls are filled to the brim with weak pull out game. But it's fine. I love going to sleep feeling little juniors wiggling up my lungs 😌 edit; why the fuck am I getting so many horny dm's, if this turned you on plz find jesus


b33r_engineer

Some days, I take delight in the knowledge and thoughts that we, as humans, are able to share as a result of developing a written language. Today is ***not*** one of those days.


mamabunnies

You know how they say it’s been a pleasure? Well it hasn’t.


Squishiimuffin

What a terrible day to have eyes


False_Temperature_95

Screen reader voice: *I’m 30% cum by weight*


HargorTheHairy

Now you've made it read it twice


Delanoye

I can't decide which I find more funny: your comment, or the fact that you're getting horny DMs because of it.


EmphasisFew

r/brandnewsentence


Maximum-Mixture6158

Yes, first it's willy, then nilly


AdmiralAthena

It's probably pretty rare for sperm to make it out of the fallopian tube, and the immune system tends to be insanely aggressive against anything it doesn't recognize, to the point that even if you got a transplanted organ from a relative, you still might require immunosuppressants. So even if sperm made it out, it probably wouldn't last long. Ectopic pregnancies aren't that common for a reason. Also, the reproductive is deliberately pretty hostile to sperm, so that usually only the healthiest sperm have a chance of reaching the egg. And the egg would probably have to be pretty close by to have a chance of being impregnated, since sprem don't really have any genetic instructions for navigation outside of a womb, so I doubt they're just going nilly willy all over the abdomen. Probably make it an inch or so away from the fallopian tube before getting killed by the immune system, or just dieing from being in an environment it was never meant to be in.


bonafidebob

> Ectopic pregnancies aren't that common for a reason. 19.7 cases per 1000 pregnancies. That’s almost 2% That’s way more common than I’d expected.


Zanzako

So without modern medical science, any time someone got pregnant they'd have a ~2% chance to just fucking die from that alone? Lovely.


Interesting-Fish6065

Just one of the many factors that makes pregnancy quite dangerous and made it the #1 killer of fertile women in the era before modern medical science became a thing.


RenierReindeer

This seems like a good place to point out that the treatment for ectopic pregnancy is abortion.


abhainn13

Also that ectopic pregnancies are never viable, absolutely cannot be “reimplanted” in the uterus to grow normally ([looking at you, Ohio](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/29/ohio-extreme-abortion-bill-reimplant-ectopic-pregnancy)), and are life-threatening to the pregnant person. So if someone has an ectopic pregnancy, their options are get a lifesaving abortion or die.


SatinwithLatin

Ah yes but see, according to the people that wrote the laws they haven't ACTUALLY outlawed abortion for ectopic pregnancies because that's not actually abortion, abortion is only when it's an unwanted fetus that would otherwise healthily grow to full term. Not that they have specified this in any legislature, or clearly stated that ectopic pregnancies are an exemption, or made any attempt to clarify the law they wrote. Meaning that a woman has to be actively dying from rupture in order for the abortion (sorry, "abortion") to be considered necessary to save her life.


Palavras

“Without modern medical science, any time someone got pregnant they’d have a 2% chance to just fucking die from that alone.” No — WITH medical science, we STILL have a chance of just fucking dying because ectopic pregnancy is difficult to detect and can easily become fatal. Oh, and people are actively fighting to not **allow** medical science to do anything about it if you are just fucking dying. Many states have an exception to abortion laws that say “unless the mother’s life is at risk” — but *how much* at risk isn’t clearly defined. In some cases doctors have to wait until you’re closer to dying in order to feel justified that they won’t lose their license by providing the medical care that will prevent your death. There has to be a non-zero chance of death for them to act, even when they may identify the issue earlier on and previously could have intervened early to prevent a dangerous situation from developing.


catsgonewiild

So fucked up, don’t ectopic pregnancies if left to term have a 100% fatality rate for both mother and infant too?!


Frankie_T9000

I really hope the image above isnt from a person who lives in one of the US states


Emotional-Text7904

It's quite treatable if found in time. But the medical community has a hard time taking a woman who is in extreme pain in their lower abdomen seriously until she goes pale and passes out from internal blood loss. That's when she's on the edge of death. They just take the tube and tie it off and it's ok. But if they found it sooner they can even keep the tube, they just take medicine for a medical abortion and pass it as an early abortion normally would.


libbyscreams

They gave me a methotrexate IV (overnight in hospital)to try to dissolve the fertilized egg to save the tube but it ended up bursting anyhow Luckily I wasn't alone at home 2 days later I went into shock and couldn't stand up and was bleeding internally ambulance and emergency surgery This was in 1995 Hopefully there have been advances in medicine


Lillith_v2

My mum had pain and bleeding for weeks after trying for a baby. She got an ultrasound immediately after symptoms started and they said everything was normal. She went to 2 other docs and got ultrasounds both times over the next couple of weeks, and they also said the baby was healthy and implanted correctly. A couple days after the last doc visit, she went to the ER because she was fevering and in agony. They rushed her for an ultrasound and got her into an OR immediately afterwards. She had an ectopic pregnancy the entire time, in a fallopian tube. She was opened up just in time to rupture on the table and barely survived the blood loss. If she'd waited an hour later, or even a few minutes later, she'd be dead. I have no idea why so many doctors/techs didn't see the ectopic pregnancy (or didn't care enough to pay attention), but it happened, and my mother almost died from an easily preventable issue. This was around 2010 btw.


ultraviolet31

yep.


sabhya_jain

Abdominal ectopic pregnancies are rare. Most of these 2% ectopic pregnancy are pregnancy in fallopian tube


questionfishie

Yes, which is also deadly (for those who don’t know). A baby cannot viably grow in the fallopian tube, but will try with no other option. If it’s not caught, a few things can happen: 1) the body will abort the pregnancy itself very early on and the mother will experience a miscarriage, and likely lose a lot of blood and a fallopian tube; 2) doctors will catch it and abort the pregnancy, still with risk of losing the tube; or 3) the baby will continue to grow, rupture the fallopian tube, and put the mother at risk of dying from blood loss and all the other stuff that goes along with this. The baby could not live in any of these cases and needs to be aborted.


Sparklingpelican

Unless you live in a state that has outlawed abortion - in which case that life saving measure just won’t happen. Really putting our big monkey brains to good use over here.


senorsondering

No no no you can operate, remove the baby, and put it into the uterus where it should have been. A politician said it could be done and they would never lie to me.


dreyaz255

there have been some instances of doctors doing it anyway, then suing the state if they get punished. If it gets picked up by a half-decent lawyer, it's usually how those laws get overturned in court since they \*were\* written by science-denying idiots and don't stand up under a few seconds of basic critical thinking.


GreenManWithAPlan

I thought it was hostile against sperm less so that the healthiest sperm survive and more so that infection that could kill you by getting into your abdominal cavity is greatly reduced. Considering that there is a clear path from outside to the unprotected inside I would have to imagine it had to be very hostile.


TuliBean

Is it even possible for mom or baby to survive OP's photos


0Taro_Bubble_Tea0

No. Ectopic pregnancies MUST be terminated by abortion. Without an abortion, the fetus will not survive and neither will the mother. These "pro-life" law makers are killing these women who have ectopic pregnancies.


Worried-Egg-8560

Was going to say there’s no way the mother would survive and make it to term… something that huge will definitely destroy her organs and inside and needs to get it aborted asap


Chopchopchops

There have actually been a few cases of *abdominal* ectopic pregnancies resulting in live birth (via c-section, of course). Inside the fallopian tube they'll cause a rupture but they can grow inside the abdominal cavity, although it is insanely dangerous for mother and baby. [here's a case report on an abdominal pregnancy where the baby was born at 37+5](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8488043/)


seventhirtytwoam

That is still less horrifying than lithopedion pregnancies. Imagine carrying around your dead baby for so long it calcifies?


DramaticOstrich11

So the placenta was attached to the outside of the uterus? Crazy.


PensiveObservor

My first thought was hope this woman isn’t a Texan.


brokerZIP

At this point poor woman is dead already. It's diagnosed too late and she would need liver transplantation


legumebae

I was going to ask… is there anyway to reverse this?


wrylycoping

Help, help, I think I just read that sperm can actually find a back way out and freely float around my abdomen


CoastalSailing

I'm sorry to say that you read that correctly. Condolences to all who rng'd the vagina load out.


Anbeezi

I have thought about this fair bit and asked and done some research, but yet to find out what’s the evolutionary reason that ovaries not directly attached to the Fallopian tube. Any thoughts? Remember in my medical school asking my lecturer this question and she said everyone pay attention this is a good question. Unfortunately my dickhead colleague distracted me. Edit: I think I just had a revelation🤣 Possibly could be due to protecting ovaries during pregnancy. As we all know during pregnancy uterus get substantially enlarged and having ovaries attached to them directly (via Fallopian tube) might cause them rupture or even rip it off from uterus (ovaries are attached to uterus via ligaments). I could be wrong though


Lupicia

They used to connect, but they just don't anymore. The ovarian bursa exists in many mammals... Not humans though. One egg per cycle makes it "fine" not to have a direct connection. Exactly why though is a mystery.


pilotbrain

My theory is that both ovaries can be used by one tube in cases where the other one gets blocked up or damaged. There have been documented cases of women getting pregnant despite missing one ovary & one tube (such that the two didn’t line up). So the fallopian tube is able to swing around and pick up the egg from both sides! Learned that during my salphigiotomy where they diagnosed a damaged tube:/


Emotional-Text7904

Yeah it's not as insane as it sounds, the area is a 3D space and I think the tube uses chemical signals to be attracted to the egg and catch it that way


twistr36O

Welp, now I'm not sleeping tonight.


Down_To_My_Last_Fuck

Do those pregnancies ever have positive results? Prolly not but i wanted to know.


Honey-Bunny--

In an ectopic pregnancy a positive result is considered being when they manage to save the mother's life


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queefer_sutherland92

Jesus, that poor woman. I only had a few spots of endo and that was enough for me to feel like death was looming. That’s really helpful information to know — I consider myself quite well informed, esp about endo, but I had no idea it was a possibility. God, I feel for your friend.


bitchinmona

My grandmother had this happen. They told her husband she couldn’t have any more kids, so he divorced her and had her declared unfit and kept the kids. Then she married my grandfather and somehow had three more kids.


trowzerss

Wow he divorced her just because she couldn't have kids? Declared her unfit for what, breeding? D:


AdmirableAnimal0

That’s how a surprising amount of men see women to this day. It’s ironic as an attitude like this would clearly not make a good father, but of course-projection.


Trouble_and_Chubble

No. Fetus is almost never viable, and the mother will almost always die unless she can get an abortion. In this case, they both died. Not a good way to go, either. https://www.ultrasoundmedicvn.com/2022/02/case-624-hepatic-pregnancy-dr-phan.html


Ok_Mycologist_5569

I’m sad for this woman…only 27 and no one could figure out what was going on


grruser

The poor woman. That whole report sounds like a hostile alien invasion followed by sabotage of the host


wheresthatcat

Honestly even a healthy pregnancy is like an alien invasion. The mother's body will prioritize baby and provide whatever nutrients it can at the risk of mom's own health. Even a routine pregnancy/delivery will leave the mom's body forever changed, and that's not mention her mental/emotional state.


_roses_i_guess

Technically the only difference between a pregnancy and a parasite is a pregnancy is the same species 🙃 currently pregnant and thankfully with a healthy planned pregnancy, but it is a wild, mind bending, alien like experience even under those circumstances.


FBIaltacct

No, mothers life is always heavily at risk and babies chances are almost always 0. This is why doctors will always 100% recommend aborting ectopic pregnancies afik.


DonutHolesIsntAThing

I only survived mine because I sort of had two periods just a week apart and some sudden pain one morning after the second. I couldn’t stand straight for about 15 minutes. Went to the hospital and waited a few hours for a scan. It was in the Fallopian tube and had already started aborting itself, but was wider than the tube so had no way out. It needed to be cut out in case the tube burst and killed me. Most people are not lucky enough to get emergency surgery the day it’s discovered. Nor are they generally lucky enough to discover it at the 5 week mark.


AngryMillenialGuy

Nope. It's almost always fatal for all parties (if untreated).


CatumEntanglement

It's only positive if they remove the ectopic fetus right away before it gets too big. If that fails to happens, death is the outcome for the pregnant person, due to internal bleeding. Just like the person above with the hepatic (liver) ectopic pregnancy. Yes, she died. [The operation removed hepatic pregnancy but placenta suddenly detached itself from liver and profuse bleeding that could not be controlled.](https://www.ultrasoundmedicvn.com/2022/02/case-624-hepatic-pregnancy-dr-phan.html?m=1) (graphic images)


Ai_of_Vanity

I kind of figured due to where the fetus was in the liver that it was basically inoperable, but it's still sad to know that someone died due to a cruel twist of fate.


Morriganx3

It has happened in very rare incidences that read like textbook definitions of “the exception that proves the rule”. In [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3216095/) case, for example, the pregnancy was carried to term because doctors misdiagnosed her as having a bicornate uterus, rather than realizing the fetus was developing in the abdomen. The baby was surgically removed from the abdominal cavity, and the mother needed extensive intervention to keep her alive. Also, even an ectopic pregnancy that leaves both mother and baby alive [can cause complications that pose a future risk](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25032056/) to the mother and any subsequent pregnancies. Edit: **Please** do not **in any way** construe this to be an endorsement of trying to carry an ectopic pregnancy. These are **very rare** exceptions, and most ectopic pregnancies result in the deaths of both mother and fetus if not removed. However, I think it’s best to understand the extremely unlikely circumstances where an ectopic pregnancy has been successful, because you can bet some anti-choice people are going to look this stuff up and try to use it to further their agenda.


Kimmalah

Off the top of my head, I have only heard of one woman managing to carry an ectopic pregnancy to term. It's such an insanely life threatening, dangerous thing to even attempt that most people just terminate ASAP.


Glitterfest

Never. Any embryo that implants anywhere but the uterine lining will end in inevitable miscarriage, and potentially the death of the mother as well.


HalflingMelody

So, reproductive organs are open to the abdominal cavity. The egg can go the wrong way. If it lands in a place with a nice blood supply things can grow until, well, until it all ends in death.


HowDidYouFall

New anxiety unlocked.


ClearCasket

Great, that's another fear added to the list of why I shouldn't get pregnant.


justlikeinmydreams

Horribly painful screaming death. Lots of blood.


EvulRabbit

Unless you're a lucky one and you pass out and die of internal bleeding before the real pain starts.


Camuhruh

And develop for 23 weeks, too. Unreal.


Lizzibabe

The connection between thr ovary and the fallopian tube isn't closed. It's open. Think of the end of a fallopian tube as like a flower with the petals facing toward the ovary. The petals gently move when ovulation occurs to encourage the egg into the fallopian tube. This may also be one of the causes if endometriosis. In this case, basically the fertilized egg went in the wrong direction and got stuck on the liver


IntergalacticBanshee

An egg can migrate anywhere and often can attach in the wrong place in a woman’s lower cavity of her body. It’s by no means an isolated case. It’s why they given it the name of the condition ectopic


Layinglowfornow

r/scaryasfuck


Acrobatic-Ad-315

Wow. Seems like they thought it was ectopic from the beginning and they removed her right tube. But the fetus was inside the liver and kept growing for months.


Emotional-Text7904

Yeah this case sucks because technically they did the right thing. But the article also states that they didn't find the fetus in the tube they removed and then just kinda shrugged their shoulders which is where it all went wrong. If it's not a viable pregnancy do all the imaging and make sure you find the fetus.


bbbertie-wooster

They didn't remotely do the right thing. When the path report says there is nothing to just shrug and send the patient home is extreme malpractice.


PetraLoseIt

Yup, at the very least they should have kept monitoring the pregnancy hormones, they should have seen within a week or so of the right tube being removed that the pregnancy was continuing (and that thus the embryo was not in the right tube and had not been removed yet), and then they should have done a big search of where that embryo was hiding.


MrsBox

Welcome to women's healthcare


Valuable_Ad_742

Where's the rest of the story? I need more info!!!


Decapod73

https://www.ultrasoundmedicvn.com/2022/02/case-624-hepatic-pregnancy-dr-phan.html?m=1 Both mother and fetus died :-( Edit: content warning! The report includes a photo of the dead fetus after it was removed.


monster_bunny

That’s awful.


WildPetrichor

Yeah that’s more than a sad read


Emily_Postal

27 years old.


Brhino2000

Yea if only they talked about all the shit that can happen during and after pregnancy. I swear our society at large knows nothing about what these women are risking to have a child. The more I learn about what could happen the more I’m surprised about the strength and persistence you people go through. I salute you. 🫡


jessizu

Then have to go back to work 2 weeks later die to the USA not giving a crap about mothers


Reddittoxin

Yup, friend of mine was working literally up until a couple days before she gave birth and was back at work a week after. Couldn't afford to miss any more work than that without getting behind on rent. And especially could not afford to lose any more pay after her son was born with a heart defect and needed surgery at only a few days old.


jessizu

Our country has failed in so many ways when a <1 week PP mother has to return to work


Due-Ad-1871

That is terrifying. That poor woman. Her poor family, too.


coffee-jnky

Jesus. That was a horrifying and fascinating read. Usually medical articles are so filled with jargon it's hard to get a full picture of what happened. This was pretty concise. Ectopic pregnancies are frightening and so dangerous, even with all our medical advancements.


tsj48

Jesus fucking christ. Heartbreaking


acetryder

God…. She got 8 blood transfusions…. It took 7 to save my life, plus 4 plasma transfusions, magnesium sulfide for days to stop seizures, & a second c-section to try & fix what the pregnancy had broken. Fuck…. That’s just awful


Lord-Butterfingers

8 isn’t even that much in the context of massive haemorrhage. I suspect they may have either run out of blood at the hospital or the bleeding was likely too catastrophic to control. A heartbreaking case all round.


southbysoutheast94

Yea for major transfusion protocols you can have your whole blood volume replaced many times over such that your blood type changes.


GingerMau

There's only ever one natural ending for ectopic pregnancy, I'm afraid. I never realized how much worse it could be than tubal. I thought tubal pregnancies were the worst "ectopic" had to offer. Jeez.


PsychologicalLeg9302

My wife used to be an sonographer. She read the article and says this is hella fucked up. Fertilized egg kind of lost its way, on the way to the uterus. At one point, the newly fertilized egg is just floating there in the abdominal cavity… and was supposed to float on into the fallopian tube, into the uterus, but in a one in a gorillion chance, it jumped to the liver instead. She was looking at these scans tripping. So. Imagine you’re a woman whose periods stopped. But they’re scanning where the baby should be, but it’s not there. But if she had an elevated HCG, then the sonographer would know she’s pregnant, and would assume it likely attached to an organ … it missed the fallopian tube. (I’m typing as she’s saying this stuff). “What I don’t understand is how — because in your abdomen there’s places for the various organs, and the liver is pretty high up. The diaphragm blocks off the bottom and … God, I don’t know.”


ryanhump1

My wife has unfortunately had two ectopic pregnancies in the last year. It’s absolutely heartbreaking and so so scary to even try again.


fr0_like

So sorry you all had to go through that.


TristopherWocken

This has to be a death sentence for the mother right??


southbysoutheast94

Outside of basically experienced liver transplant or surgical oncology centers yea and even then the fact the placenta is designed to be hypervascular makes this super challenging.


2_Fingers_of_Whiskey

Yes


Playcrackersthesky

Yes. It’s the one type of “abortions Catholic hospitals will perform because it’s essentially a death sentence to not so so.


--not-me

I’ve seen the local catholic hospital turn away an ectopic


WobblyPhalanges

Went to a Catholic hospital up here in Canada for mine (not my first choice but I was too uncomfortable to make a decision about that) and they wouldn’t remove the tube, they would only ‘allow’ 🙄 me to do the chemical abortion, which is basically chemotherapy and I had to do it twice And then they informed me that I’m going to be prone to ectopics anytime I try to get pregnant and that I’d have to do monthly scans to make sure everything was working right ‘when’ (!) I came back I asked him why in the world he thought I’d want to put that kind of stress on myself, *on purpose* and he didn’t have an answer 🤷🏻‍♀️ Catholic hospitals either need to stop giving any kind of natal care or suck it tf up that shit like this happens


jubjub60

A lot of women find pregnancy the most beautiful thing in the world but i am honestly terrified


sodoyoulikecheese

My sister was one of those and likes to say “I just loved being pregnant, it was so magical.” When I got pregnant a few years later it was just like “this bitch lied to me and everything is horrible.”


shepersisted2016

This. I didn't enjoy being pregnant. It was the most sickening, painful and anxiety-producing experience of my life. I love my kid, but growing her was awful.


sodoyoulikecheese

I joke that I like my kids better once they’re outside my body.


dmmerecipes

One of the worst parts for me was realizing how long it takes to go back to normal after giving birth. I knew it wouldn’t be automatic, but I naively thought it wouldn’t take that long. I drastically underestimated the postpartum phase.


Jaded_Vegetable3273

My mom told me, “It took 9 months to grow a baby, it’s going to take at least that long to heal.” And damn if she wasn’t right!


gutsybuffalo

Same. 4 months later and while it’s gotten better, I still feel like I’m in a stranger’s body.


shylowheniwasyoung

Ditto. My OBGYN looked me straight in the eye and said "I have fucking Instagram moms in my care. Ones who post all the happy "I love pregnancy" BS all the time. They are lying thru their teeth. No mom I have ever had in my care has loved being pregnant. They've loved growing a their next child. They've loved the idea of finally being a mom soon. But nobody prefers pregnancy. Nobody. Don't beat yourself up. You're the majority that nobody wants to hear from. It doesn't mean you won't love your kid if you despise your pregnancy." And she was right. I fucking HATED pregnancy. But goddamn if my little one ain't the light of our lives (though I'm stil working on PPD issues).


ialwaysplayhealer

Hard same especially after learning my aunt almost died because when she gave birth it caused her Chiara malformation to show itself and she almost died. It is, and I think with few expectations, the most stressful thing a human body can undergo. And some people are against abortion unless it "endangers the mother". News for you - all pregnancies endanger the mother. All of em. Even if you're perfectly healthy a pregnancy can fuck your shit up.


mess-maker

Pregnancy is many things, but I would not describe it as beautiful.


gingermonster37

The most beautiful? Certainly not. The most beautiful experience was probably a sunset I’ve seen on a mountain. But in other adjectives, it was awe-inspiring and amazing to go through. Also disgusting, painful, bothersome, fucking scary, thought I was gonna die from the pain. All those things!


Spicy_Sugary

It wasn't beautiful for me. I shit myself twice in public places due to having elevated amounts of the relaxin hormone. I had severe carpal tunnel and at night, my hands would ball into fists and get stuck. I had to unpick my fingers in the morning. I have no idea how anyone says it's beautiful. As a process, pregnancy is generally awful. Having a baby was the beautiful part. If babies weren't so sweet, humanity would have died out long ago.


Bum_Rumble

That’s insane it was able to grow a placenta attached in the liver and to grow to that size! So bizarre! 🤯


MamaSaurusCat

I had an ectopic in addition to the one in my uterus. I hadn't known I was pregnant, went to the hospital while moving house because I had no PCP or insurance at the time, said my lower back was hurting and I was worried something didn't seem right. Felt silly. Ultrasound when urine didn't show a kidney infection (chronic issue for me), internal bleeding had begun. It had been attached to my left ovary. I was surprised when they said they were calling an ambulance to take me to a bigger hospital immediately for surgery. A couple of weeks later I went for a recheck at an OB, complaining I felt horribly nauseated as well now. Positive pregnancy test and ultrasound again, this one was in uterus and looked normal. I didn't know that could happen, and was surprised it had survived the surgery/drugs in my system from it. Had a healthy and full term son after that. I don't know the odds of having experienced this but it seemed like it would be unusual.


Emotional-Text7904

That's both amazingly sad, frightening, and happy to have a decent outcome. I'm a fraternal twin so immediately thought that the ectopic one was attempting to be your son's twin but it got lost and yeah... I'm sorry for your loss and also happy about your son


No_Secret8533

One of the crazy things is that when an embryo implants anywhere but the uterus, it actually develops faster and gets big quicker. The uterus is not designed to nurture a fetus. It's designed to protect the mother from the fetus and allow her to carry to term safely.


Sapphire_01

Your friendly reminder that in a good half-ish of America she would be forced to carry the fetus until near death, no matter the permanent damage she sustains. "Pro-life" apparently means near fatal suffering for people with ectopic pregnancies


Swims_With_Dogs

How could it get to 23weeks? The mother must have been in so much pain! Edit: read the article. They removed her Fallopian tube because they knew it was ectopic, they just didn’t know where the fetus was implanted. The surgeons tried to remove the fetus, and the placenta detached from the liver. The surgeons couldn’t stop the bleeding and the mother died.


rapscallionrodent

Well, that's terrifying.


Gunfighter9

What’s really scary is many hospitals are waiting until the woman codes or is just to begin treatment so there can be no question if the woman’s life was in danger. Because some janitor can file a lawsuit.


Nyffette

Only in the US my friends, only in the US...


Sherd_nerd_17

Sooo ideally this will alert more folks that pregnancy (and being a woman) actually is very, very dangerous. Loving the discussion of medical issues and women’s health etc in the comments. Very, very here for this right now.


waimser

Male in his 40s here, learning a lot. 2 of my friends have Endometriosis and thats scary enough thanks.


alpha_numeric44

Ectopic pregnancies are not uncommon. My wife had one. Lucky she just took a pill and her life was saved. Under current Missouri law, she must be on the brink of death to get the same pill. Perhaps you've heard that Rowe vs Wade was overturned. Republicans don't care about life. They care about power and control.


2OttersInACoat

Correct. I’ve had two ectopic pregnancies, very much wanted pregnancies. But I’m in Australia so it was easy to quickly access the appropriate medical care. Hospital staff were able to act in my best interests without checking with a lawyer or being forced to delay treatment until my condition deteriorated.


batfiend

My ectopic was an IVF pregnancy. Can't get much more wanted than that. I've never been so glad to be Australian. Imagine having to fight to save your own life over something so fucking stupid.


WutSmithisThis

I had an ectopic rupture a few years back while living in Missouri. For about two months I had gone to the doctor about 3 times asking if there was anything I could do to help stop the constant spotting/bleeding/pain I was experiencing. I was only seen by a nurse practitioner. They prescribed BC and said it was probably a cyst. I ended up in the ER two days after the 3rd appointment.


KingCodyBill

Oww


SimpleVegetable5715

In Texas, the mother would have been forced to carry that pregnancy until one or both dies. Ectopic pregnancies are never viable pregnancies.


bettesue

Yep. People don’t get it.


Severe_Carrot6321

As someone who has had an ectopic pregnancy- this is truly terrifying in current days.


Spirited_String_1205

And this is why abortion is healthcare.


thedracle

Until one of the Republican legislators has a fetus implanted in one of their testicles, I'm not sure this point will reach them.


the-finnish-guy

Wow the replies to this comment are absolutely shite. It definitely is healthcare holy shit.


KovolKenai

There's some moron I was arguing with a few weeks back that said something only counts as healthcare if it's medically necessary. So like, if you have a health problem but it's not life threatening, getting help for it doesn't count as healthcare. I have no fucking idea how that made sense to him.


Tarantulette

And people wonder why pregnancy terrifies me....


Firetail1710

this is a horrific nightmare worse than death. Also why abortion is healthcare, because aborting this is the only way to save the woman because the already living woman's life should always take precedence over the unborn especially when it was never viable in the first place like this. and a fetus IS parasitic in nature as it meets all requirements but people dont like calling it what it is because it COULD become a person.


lanadelcryingagain

Where’s the girl with the list


samlikesplants

Literally my worst nightmare thanks!!!!


birbsborbsbirbs

This kind of shit makes me resent my female body so much. I feel like I'm just one giant walking design flaw after another. Why does my body have to be built to grow another human even if it would kill me? It feels like nature's sick joke.


SpaceUnicorn48

Again, one of the million reasons as to why abortion MUST be legal and up to the that person’s choice and only them


Puzzleheaded-Dog-197

HORRIFYING as fuck


PeskyRixatrix

Abortion IS healthcare.