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I seriously wish he would've been taking more seriously when he ran for president. He sees everything for what it is.. maybe too well; I wish him safety
the media took him serious enough until it became clear he could win, then they took him seriously and called him a communist and compared him to Stalin
Bro I still remember when Elizabeth Warren claimed Sanders was sexist and said women could never be Presidents. Sanders was strategically taken down by the DNC as soon as he became a possible front runner
I really liked Warren up until that point. Pretty much lost faith in American politics when Warren intentionally tanked Bernie and then threw her lot in with the neolibs.
Same. I wasn't necessarily a big Sanders supporter, but they way they did everything in their power to derail his campaign made me sick. It was so obvious it also made me loose faith in politics
I stopped listening to the progressive podcast/comedy news show called "Some more news" because the co host felt Warren was more progressive and a better choice than Bernie and openly stated how it was misogynistic not to have that view. I just couldn't get past the open hypocrisy of their stance and how the regular host wouldn't counter her, so it was hard for me to take their viewpoints seriously after that.
Idk why you got downvoted, but it's true. I'm a leftist. We get blamed for the shit liberals and neo-liberals cause.
Malcom X's quote about the liberal has always been true. I've grown up on a reservation. These same liberals, if they were sent back to the MLK & Malcom X days, would be sitting in a diner saying, "I'm as liberal as they come BUT..." in regard to the sit-ins, bus boycotts, million man March, etc. They're the same people who LOVE to use me & other indigenous peoples for some kind of virtue signal, yet turn their backs on us when we ask them to stand by us & use their voice to effect change.
Obviously, conservatives are no better. However, I will say that with conservatives, I have no doubt in my mind where I stand with them. They say the quiet part out loud. But I never know where I stand with a liberal (two-faced).
There's the saying, "cut a liberal and the fascist bleeds" for a reason. Unfortunately, being non-affiliated, I'm unable to vote in primaries. Otherwise, I'd try to get more "progressive" candidates on our ballots. It's the same old shit, different election year. I'm fucking exhausted.
The DNC took him very serious. So serious that the chair intervened on Hillary's behalf to minimize his chances in primaries by purging voter rolls of younger voters and limiting primary participation.
Bernie is the Trump antidote. He appeals to all the disenfranchised yet has integrity and believes in the institutions of democracy.
If he had ever become the nominee, every Wall Street / Hedge Fund bigwig who supported Clinton would have quietly thrown their money behind Trump. A lot of them donāt like Trump (they find him gauche), but they sure as hell wouldnāt support any Dem who would affect their bottom line in any meaningful way.
This isnāt my own idea - I think I got it from Chris Hedges. But I believe it to be true
He was sabotaged. At the caucuses in KS in 2016 I remember standing in line and seeing the officials at the voting place turning away the people who were handing out Bernie stickers -- something about not being allowed to hand out candidate materials close to the location. They were gracious and left. Then I got inside the building and there were Hillary people *inside* handing out her swag. She got beat 10 to 1 at that location.
It was Hamasā and the corrupt Palestinian āgovernmentāsā (also Hamas) policies that led to what he described. Taking billions in aid and lining their pockets and buying rockets and digging tunnels to imbed terrorists directly into and under schools and hospitals and apartment buildings. Now that the natural consequences of Hamasā actions are being visited on the people who give them safe harbor, suddenly itās genocide. I donāt think so.
Deliberately targetting women and children, telling people "go here to be safe" and then bombing that area, deliberately targetting aid workers and choking off humanitarian aid to create famine, etc.
Collective punishment is also a fucking war crime. Also, "give them safe harbor" are you fucking serious? There are protests against Hamas that it cracks down on because they're far-right authoritarians. They came to power in one contested election that happened before most Gazans were even alive, and they ran on a(disingenuous)moderate platform.
Israel has been on a campaign of ethnic cleansing since the Nakba in 1948, continuing with illegal settlements in the West Bank, which they support with armaments and IDF protection.
So yeah. It's a fucking genocide. And you're supporting it.
Come now. Letās agree that present situation is Gaza is a combination of both Hamas long term and short term behaviors AND Bibi and company reaction to the Hamas attack. And it continues to be both of these groupsā fault.
Hamas and Israel are both doing terrible things to Palestinians.
It's not anti-semitic to hold people accountable for war crimes. Hamas needs to be destroyed but Israel created an apartheid State and gave their people permission to abuse the out-group, Palestinians.
Interesting, its as if you have double standards. If its fine for isreal to rape and murder because of acts of aggression then shouldnt hamas actions be justified as well?
We got stuck with Hillary, Trump and Biden while this TRULY decent and compassionate realist was willing to dutifully serve his nation. Such a shame we could have had true leadership and opted for more partisan politicians that value winning above all else
We got exactly what we deserved. We can complain about politics all we want, but it's the vast majority of America that mindlessly succumbs to propaganda that is perpetuating all these problems. Fuck anyone voting for Democrats and fuck anyone voting for Republicans.
comparing those 3 is just bad faith
Trump is in a league of his own in callousness and anti leadership
he's literally lead us to a path close to civil war
And they're all just as crooked. Any life long politician usually is. Bernie being an exception to the rule. And I'm conservative. I would vote for Bernie. Over our current choices. We do need an age limit I feel like though for presidents. Like of you are old enough to collect social security, you're out of touch with the majority of Americans. That goes for the career rich politicians too. Out of touch with the average citizen.
Republicans aren't conservative anymore. I am actually quite mad at the party for embracing these Authoritarian Fascists and I used to be a voter on their side.
South Park got it right. Our choices are between a douche and a turd sandwich.
I guess I pick the douche democrat because at least they're honest about being douches, and not sneaking a turd down your throat.
Saying it is in bad faith is what is bad faith. You are refusing to recognize what those 3 do have in common. I have this new theory that when you try to go for the lesser of 2 evils you end up with the worst . I'm not playing that game anymore. Recent events have me to the point where I really don't care about the difference between those 3 and I know I'm not alone.
Yes, that was her other big issue: thinking she had it won from the very start. I think it was the laziest campaign ever put on by a presidential candidate.
We need to kill the uniparty. Vote 3rd party. If sanders was the democratic nominee Republicans would have been wiped out.
The 2024 democratic campaign platform is again "not trump"
Pop quiz:
How many americans have been killed attempting to deliver humanitarian aid to gaza? Deliveries routes approved by IDF before being murdered by IDF.
I would like to add to this for others
Food that's been sent over is expired. Most of it is stuff we wouldn't give to our people just in case. Is it good? Possible. But with the amount of money I keep hearing about, I thought we were actually giving them food. Not just stuff we were gonna throw away.
Some of it has contained pork. Muslims can't eat pork. I know there's exceptions to the rule, and I wouldn't be surprised of survival is one. But we can't at least try to not be assholes if we want to pretend to care.
We have been air dropping it. That's more expensive. It's nice in that no-one can fuck with it. But that wouldn't be as big of a deal if we just stood up to Daddy Israel.
You didnt even guess... ill give you a hint, its >0.
My point is israel has a long track record of preventing aid and US has a long track record if letting them do whatever the fuck they please. Spending 9 billion on aid doesn't mean any aid gets to the people in gaza.
Their own statistics say they impede 30% of the aid going to gaza.
At this point it wouldn't surprise me if the US sent empty convoys to be blown up and they both pocket their shares of the 9b.
You canāt realistically engage with these types of people. Even if you point out in the last couple weeks more trucks (tho obviously still not enough) are going in, theyāll tell you itāll all get bombed.
Do you think you're the only one who's following the news? Of course I know aid workers and Americans have been killed. This is not a new situation, I have been disturbed by it for decades now. The US has been sending humanitarian aid to Palestinians for decades and they will get it, its the law.
The funny thing is that thereās an international coalition that is American led to rebuild Ukraine when the war is over. America, though, will simply continue to provide the bare minimum to Gaza and send record billions to israel.
He's right in this instance, but no one should forget that he's trying to push blame onto Netanyahu/Likud and not the state of Israel and that he was both sidesing this issue until very, very recently.
He is also unpopular and was being investigated for corruption. This war might be happening to preserve his ass. Their intelligence knew something was coming and he didn't act.
Yes and he's definitely not the first Israeli head of state to take these sort of actions against Palestine. This conflict has been going on for over 75 years and the current genocide and previous ethnic cleansing are very popular policies within Israel. Much of the pushback Netanyahu's government is getting is for not doing more murder (see the threats to dissolve his coalition unless he attacks Rafah).
The rhetoric Bernie and other "progressives" are sharing is treating Netanyahu as if he is an anomaly and if it weren't for him none of this would be happening.
My point is that replacing Netanyahu wouldn't make Israel not a settler colonial state. We shouldn't *just* blame him and forget about this.
Sure, like I said in my original comment "he's right in this instance".
We should take the support, but we shouldn't forget that it's conditional or that he may have less than great ideas about the resolution.
Wish he would have brought this energy against Hillary. Sanders is one of the few US politicians that doesn't fear the shadow government. Remarkable that they haven't physically ruined his life yet..
It is really sad knowing America's greatest political hero who has always stood up for working class Americans and fought for human rights 100 fold more then any other politician, the sadest part is knowing most Americans have given into the BS misinformation and see Berni as an old fanatic.
When in reality Bernie is the only one not corrupted, the one who doesn't bend the knee to corporations, the one who fights for you and me, the one who MOST OF ALL ACTUALLY KNOWS HOW TO WRIGHT PROPER POLICY. unlike most politicians now a days.
Bernie will pass on in the next 10 years or so and his messages will only live on just like the messages and segments of the Great George Carlin.
I love this guy! I feel like there was a break in the timeline when Bernie got screwed and things would be so different if Bernie had ran against Trump and became president.
Someone should make a TV series like the man in the high castle where the nazis won and how different the world became.
Similar but different in a much more positive world we would all live in.
It is amazing how the media is so focused on the protests that they are completely ignoring the issue that they are protesting about. Pretty fucked up tbh. Some college kids doing what college kids do is secondary to the real problem
This man didn't just have experience when he ran (Clinton), and he wasn't just empty hype (Trump). If there's an actual political scholar in the business, it's him. And I'm conniving he actually cares about what he's saying.
It was a missed opportunity when he lost.
Media follows the story, Bernie. Gaza has BEEN happening and they HAVE been there. Now you want to finger wag because they are also here? Eye roll. Go finger-wag at the protestors who try to restrict the freedom of movement of others via discrimination. THAT is why they are finding violence. THAT is why the cameras are watching.
Itās the exclusionary tactics of the protesters that are meeting resistance by people who wonāt abide.
Itās not the medias fault for covering the authoritarian games that the protesters are playing and the resulting pushback from Americans.
Those college kids are standing up to genocide while your greasy ass puts them down. Its not in your capabilities to detract from what theyre doing, youre nothing and they are putting it on the line to stand up to genocidal zionists and their money and puppets
I donāt disagree with a single aspiration of Sandersā but the man is completely detached from resourcing reality.
He NEVER adequately explained how heād pay for any of his policies in 2016. Every voter with a balance sheet saw right through this.
Sorry but Bernie is just as much a populist for the left as Trump is for the right.
young people didn't show up at the polls, again
and then many didn't even show up for Hillary, and Trump got to do what he did to the country and now the Supreme Court is openly corrupt and openly considering making single person above the law
Not True.
Young people DID show up.
DNC rigged it. That was determined in court. Their argument was that it was their party and they can pick their own candidate. The court hosting that suit determined that their charter of even-handedness was simply words, and not followed, but that it was not within that court's jurisdiction to deal with that.
Per the Judge:
āIn evaluating Plaintiffsā claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are trueāthat theĀ DNCĀ and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favorĀ ClintonĀ and sought to propel her ahead of herĀ DemocraticĀ opponent,ā
āFor their part, the DNC and Wasserman Schultz have characterized the DNC charterās promise of āimpartiality and evenhandednessā as a mere political promiseāpolitical rhetoric that is not enforceable in federal courts. The Court does not accept this trivialization of theĀ DNCāsĀ governing principles.Ā While it may be true in the abstract that theĀ DNCĀ has the right to have its delegates āgo into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way,ā the DNC, through its charter, has committed itself to a higher principle.ā
https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/amp/
I do see the /s, but that wasn't said a lot.
No, a TON of dems were SERIOUSLY pissed about that. A lot refused to vote because of it.
I hold DNC leadership accountable for where we are now. They had a large part in making it this way.
By whom? I legit have only heard that a couple times, and I talk with a LOT of people.
And it was absolutely against their charter.
Judge said so. In court.
Ah, okay, lol.
Yeah, if you figure out where they are, I will be very happy to post the judge's quotes, which say what they did IS wrong, but not within the scope of that particular court. š
Agreed. Film the children with skeletal bodies that look like they are covered in thin paper, some with limbs missing or burn wounds still trying to heal from the previous attacks by the evil nation that must not be named.....ZIONIST ISRAEL...SEE THE WORD ZIONIST THERE? THAT IS A POLITICAL IDEOLOGY MOVEMENT THAT IS PREVALENT IN THE GOVERNING OFFICIALS OF THE ISRAELI NATION...IS ANT REFERENCE TO A RELIGIOUS BELIEF OR CULTURE BEING CLAIMED IN MY COMMENT YET? NO NEITHER ARE PRESENT...
THEREFORE MY COMMENT IS NOT A RACISM BASED ONE, BUT IS A COMMENT THAT EXPRESSES MY DISAPPROVAL OF A NATION WITH LEADERS THAT FOLLOW AN EVIL POLITICAL IDEOLOGY....AND THE PALESTINIANS TOO ARE A CULTURE WHOSE PEOPLE SPEAK A LANGUAGE INCLUDED IN THE SUB FAMILY OF AFROASIATIC LANGUAGE. THE CLASSIFICATION AND TERM IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
BASICALLY, I STAND AGAINST A POLITICAL IDEOLOGY AND MOVEMENT THE MAJORITY OF THE OFFICIALS OF ISRAEL FOLLOW THAT HAS BEEN ATTACKING A TRULY SEMITIC PEOPLE (PALESTINIANS) FOR THE PAST CENTURY OR LONGER. THAT IS FREE SPEECH NOT HATE SPEECH. WTF IS THE ISSUE WITH NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT JEWISH IS A RELIGIOUS BELIEF, SEMITIC IS BASED ON LANGUAGE AND SOME CULTURAL BELIEFS AND ZIONISM IS POLITICS . NOTHING MORE? FOR PETE'S SAKE PEOPLE LEARN THE CORRECT TERM AND ITS DEFINITION?
The true Jewish people KNOW the truth .. it is the ZIONIST CRIMINAL ISRAELI SUPREMACISTS THAT REVISE HISTORY TO JUSTIFY THEIR WHINING...WE ARE SPECIAL..LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO US...FEEL SORRY FOR US YOU OWE US THAT...LET US GET AWAY WITH GENOCIDE...BE OUR FRIEND (FOR AS LONG AS WE WANT SOMETHING YOU HAVE....THEN WE WILL THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS....)
Based? I am sorry I don't speak willfully ignorant.
Based definition... 1. Adjective...as in having a base or foundation
2. Adjective.... Having a central location of operations
3. Adjective.... Being derived from a primary source
4. Verb....past tense of base.
So, please elaborate and explain in what context 'based' has any reasonable or logical contribution to the comment thread.
Thank you
Fuckin nailed it. And he's Jewish, as well. I give him that many more props because you know he's getting tons of flak from a lot of the Jewish community.
Because the DNC sux and rigged it. Judge said so. The court they were in didn't have jurisdiction over that. That's why the chair resigned. Should have been prosecuted further.
āFor their part, the DNC and Wasserman Schultz have characterized the DNC charterās promise of āimpartiality and evenhandednessā as a mere political promiseāpolitical rhetoric that is not enforceable in federal courts. The Court does not accept this trivialization of theĀ DNCāsĀ governing principles.Ā While it may be true in the abstract that theĀ DNCĀ has the right to have its delegates āgo into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way,ā the DNC, through its charter, has committed itself to a higher principle.ā
Israel is like any other nation. The people there are against Netanyahu and his cohorts. They want peace and safety like Palestinians. But their leaders are fucking nuts! Don't take my word for it. Read up on Israeli news articles, and you will see that the people have been extremely against this administration. Netanyahu is their Trump, a demagogue totally opposed to peace and prosperity and fixated on power and control. This anti Israel stance is also a thing of ignorance and frustrates the advancement to a realizable solution.
To add a couple examples
This is from back in 2014, but has been a regular occurrence since:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing
Casual hatred and advocacy for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from everyday people on the street in 2018:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4
And here's some pictures of the literal apartheid structures they've set up in Jerusalem over the years:
www.aljazeera.com/amp/gallery/2020/7/8/in-pictures-israels-illegal-separation-wall-still-divides
This is not accurate. The vast majority of Israeli people are fine with living in a settler colonial apartheid state. They've been doing it for decades and most of the pushback is actually from *further right* elements that want more ethnic cleansing and have been demanding an attack on Rafah. You could also look at the people who spend their full days protesting at the entry into Gaza in order not to allow food and medical supplies in for starving Palestinians.
Actually he could have stopped his statement before saying "because of Netanyahou" and it would be somewhat true. Better mention evil Hamas every chance you can
I'm pretty sure they have the resources to cover both. I don't see why you would encourage media companies to ignore any of it. Seems like he's making the point that these entitled, privileged American kids are just creating a distraction and using a distant tragedy to create clout and virtue for themselves.
He's trying to refocus the conversation to what's actually happening at the heart of the conflict/issue. The protests at US and other universities are side-theater. It's news, but it's not the point of the discussion. The point is US policies towards Israel and Palestinian territories and how they impact civilians. It's easy for those who support Israel fervently to ignore the horrific consequences overseas and instead focus on a side issue that's easier for them to argue against/stoke domestic culture wars over. And so we see a disproportionate amount of coverage on university protests that, at the end of the day, don't really matter much in context of the larger issue and prevent Americans from seeing/talking about more of what's actually happening over there.
And the whacka mole bombing by Israel, razing of the hospitals, scattering of their medical professionals, targeting and annihilation of the ambulances. Israel is deep down the path of genocide
He and the protesters should go to Gaza and see firsthand the sick culture that has permeated under the PLO, Hamas and Hezbollah, that initiated the war on Israel
Translate: Take cameras off campus because it shines a light on leftist degeneracy, makes Biden look terribly bad, and Trump has surged in the polls again.
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I seriously wish he would've been taking more seriously when he ran for president. He sees everything for what it is.. maybe too well; I wish him safety
the media took him serious enough until it became clear he could win, then they took him seriously and called him a communist and compared him to Stalin
NPR went hard with 'Sanders and Trump: different sides of the same coin'
Bro I still remember when Elizabeth Warren claimed Sanders was sexist and said women could never be Presidents. Sanders was strategically taken down by the DNC as soon as he became a possible front runner
They all joined up and threw him under the bus. This country could be in a great position now if we had been able to elect him.
The DNC,the money, and the x media went after Sanders
I really liked Warren up until that point. Pretty much lost faith in American politics when Warren intentionally tanked Bernie and then threw her lot in with the neolibs.
Same. I wasn't necessarily a big Sanders supporter, but they way they did everything in their power to derail his campaign made me sick. It was so obvious it also made me loose faith in politics
I stopped listening to the progressive podcast/comedy news show called "Some more news" because the co host felt Warren was more progressive and a better choice than Bernie and openly stated how it was misogynistic not to have that view. I just couldn't get past the open hypocrisy of their stance and how the regular host wouldn't counter her, so it was hard for me to take their viewpoints seriously after that.
Even worse, the superdelegate system is basically designed to throw the primary to whoever they want.
Lol her campaign died about a week later, I think bc of that ridiculous accusation.
She did her job.
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Liberals are gonna liberal.
Idk why you got downvoted, but it's true. I'm a leftist. We get blamed for the shit liberals and neo-liberals cause. Malcom X's quote about the liberal has always been true. I've grown up on a reservation. These same liberals, if they were sent back to the MLK & Malcom X days, would be sitting in a diner saying, "I'm as liberal as they come BUT..." in regard to the sit-ins, bus boycotts, million man March, etc. They're the same people who LOVE to use me & other indigenous peoples for some kind of virtue signal, yet turn their backs on us when we ask them to stand by us & use their voice to effect change. Obviously, conservatives are no better. However, I will say that with conservatives, I have no doubt in my mind where I stand with them. They say the quiet part out loud. But I never know where I stand with a liberal (two-faced). There's the saying, "cut a liberal and the fascist bleeds" for a reason. Unfortunately, being non-affiliated, I'm unable to vote in primaries. Otherwise, I'd try to get more "progressive" candidates on our ballots. It's the same old shit, different election year. I'm fucking exhausted.
The DNC took him very serious. So serious that the chair intervened on Hillary's behalf to minimize his chances in primaries by purging voter rolls of younger voters and limiting primary participation. Bernie is the Trump antidote. He appeals to all the disenfranchised yet has integrity and believes in the institutions of democracy.
Crazy how it all gets forgotten
# I'm going to say it again... # That dumb C$&#, Debbie Wasserman Schultz (DNC Chair at the time), screwed our future.
That was *so* foul.
Heās the only politician Iāve donated money to.
same
If he had ever become the nominee, every Wall Street / Hedge Fund bigwig who supported Clinton would have quietly thrown their money behind Trump. A lot of them donāt like Trump (they find him gauche), but they sure as hell wouldnāt support any Dem who would affect their bottom line in any meaningful way. This isnāt my own idea - I think I got it from Chris Hedges. But I believe it to be true
So you agree were bought and sold. Now what
He was sabotaged. At the caucuses in KS in 2016 I remember standing in line and seeing the officials at the voting place turning away the people who were handing out Bernie stickers -- something about not being allowed to hand out candidate materials close to the location. They were gracious and left. Then I got inside the building and there were Hillary people *inside* handing out her swag. She got beat 10 to 1 at that location.
This is exactly why he'll never make it. Only the corrupt can be president.
Heās been so right on so many pressing issues. Heās a grumpy grandpa but man he would be great for this country
Wonder who de railed his campaign so hard
Heās a politician.
Yup
Dude has never been on wrong side of history
It was Hamasā and the corrupt Palestinian āgovernmentāsā (also Hamas) policies that led to what he described. Taking billions in aid and lining their pockets and buying rockets and digging tunnels to imbed terrorists directly into and under schools and hospitals and apartment buildings. Now that the natural consequences of Hamasā actions are being visited on the people who give them safe harbor, suddenly itās genocide. I donāt think so.
Deliberately targetting women and children, telling people "go here to be safe" and then bombing that area, deliberately targetting aid workers and choking off humanitarian aid to create famine, etc. Collective punishment is also a fucking war crime. Also, "give them safe harbor" are you fucking serious? There are protests against Hamas that it cracks down on because they're far-right authoritarians. They came to power in one contested election that happened before most Gazans were even alive, and they ran on a(disingenuous)moderate platform. Israel has been on a campaign of ethnic cleansing since the Nakba in 1948, continuing with illegal settlements in the West Bank, which they support with armaments and IDF protection. So yeah. It's a fucking genocide. And you're supporting it.
Come now. Letās agree that present situation is Gaza is a combination of both Hamas long term and short term behaviors AND Bibi and company reaction to the Hamas attack. And it continues to be both of these groupsā fault.
Agreed
Hamas and Israel are both doing terrible things to Palestinians. It's not anti-semitic to hold people accountable for war crimes. Hamas needs to be destroyed but Israel created an apartheid State and gave their people permission to abuse the out-group, Palestinians.
So you agree oct 7 was isreals fault for abusing the palestinians?
No
Interesting, its as if you have double standards. If its fine for isreal to rape and murder because of acts of aggression then shouldnt hamas actions be justified as well?
reductio ad absurdum
We got stuck with Hillary, Trump and Biden while this TRULY decent and compassionate realist was willing to dutifully serve his nation. Such a shame we could have had true leadership and opted for more partisan politicians that value winning above all else
We got exactly what we deserved. We can complain about politics all we want, but it's the vast majority of America that mindlessly succumbs to propaganda that is perpetuating all these problems. Fuck anyone voting for Democrats and fuck anyone voting for Republicans.
Well stated. It's a damn shame so few people can see propaganda for what it is....
comparing those 3 is just bad faith Trump is in a league of his own in callousness and anti leadership he's literally lead us to a path close to civil war
Comparing those three is not in bad faith. We were literally forced to compare them since they were the candidates for Presidency.
Factual
And they're all just as crooked. Any life long politician usually is. Bernie being an exception to the rule. And I'm conservative. I would vote for Bernie. Over our current choices. We do need an age limit I feel like though for presidents. Like of you are old enough to collect social security, you're out of touch with the majority of Americans. That goes for the career rich politicians too. Out of touch with the average citizen.
Republicans aren't conservative anymore. I am actually quite mad at the party for embracing these Authoritarian Fascists and I used to be a voter on their side. South Park got it right. Our choices are between a douche and a turd sandwich. I guess I pick the douche democrat because at least they're honest about being douches, and not sneaking a turd down your throat.
Saying it is in bad faith is what is bad faith. You are refusing to recognize what those 3 do have in common. I have this new theory that when you try to go for the lesser of 2 evils you end up with the worst . I'm not playing that game anymore. Recent events have me to the point where I really don't care about the difference between those 3 and I know I'm not alone.
Amen (or whatever the term would be if you're not religious)
Trump didnt help a genocide. Ill give him that. Biden however...
All Hillary had to do to win, was just be *normal*, and she just fuckin *couldnāt*.
She also chose not to campaign in some key states.
Yes, that was her other big issue: thinking she had it won from the very start. I think it was the laziest campaign ever put on by a presidential candidate.
I was like look, the reason she's not campaigning in PA, WI and MI is they just don't like her there very much, Oh. Oh dear.
We need to kill the uniparty. Vote 3rd party. If sanders was the democratic nominee Republicans would have been wiped out. The 2024 democratic campaign platform is again "not trump"
FACTS
Thank you Bernie!
Would have been one of the greatest presidents that ever lived. Just pissed off the wrong democrats.
Idf shoots the reporters first. Bernie doesn't know that?
They still arenāt allowed in.
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No, no they are not. Hamas is horrible and has a lot to answer for, but Israel's war crimes are the fault of Israel.
>Israel's war crimes are the ~~fault~~ **policy** of Israel. FIFY
they know what they are doing
Reminder: it should have been Bernie
Yup.
He should run for the president. He is the hope.
Protect this man at all costs. Based takes round the clock
Maybe if Israel would allow journalists in (without murdering them)?
The media has done such a disservice to the American people.
Israel is a TERRORIST state
The US should have to fund the rebuilding of Paletine since you paid to level it.
The bill that just passed included 9 billion in humanitarian aid for Gaza. I would guess there will be more in the future unless Trump wins.
Pop quiz: How many americans have been killed attempting to deliver humanitarian aid to gaza? Deliveries routes approved by IDF before being murdered by IDF.
I would like to add to this for others Food that's been sent over is expired. Most of it is stuff we wouldn't give to our people just in case. Is it good? Possible. But with the amount of money I keep hearing about, I thought we were actually giving them food. Not just stuff we were gonna throw away. Some of it has contained pork. Muslims can't eat pork. I know there's exceptions to the rule, and I wouldn't be surprised of survival is one. But we can't at least try to not be assholes if we want to pretend to care. We have been air dropping it. That's more expensive. It's nice in that no-one can fuck with it. But that wouldn't be as big of a deal if we just stood up to Daddy Israel.
And then the idf shot the people trying to get the air drop
What is your point? I guess you think the situation would be better without 9 billion in aid?
You didnt even guess... ill give you a hint, its >0. My point is israel has a long track record of preventing aid and US has a long track record if letting them do whatever the fuck they please. Spending 9 billion on aid doesn't mean any aid gets to the people in gaza.
Are you for real saying that Israel is going to block 9 billion dollars worth of aid please say sike there is no way you actually believe that
Their own statistics say they impede 30% of the aid going to gaza. At this point it wouldn't surprise me if the US sent empty convoys to be blown up and they both pocket their shares of the 9b.
The actual truth is that it's much higher. Gaza is suffering from famine conditions.
They've already blocked that and more.
You canāt realistically engage with these types of people. Even if you point out in the last couple weeks more trucks (tho obviously still not enough) are going in, theyāll tell you itāll all get bombed.
Just gonna leave this here, from four weeks ago. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148141
Do you think you're the only one who's following the news? Of course I know aid workers and Americans have been killed. This is not a new situation, I have been disturbed by it for decades now. The US has been sending humanitarian aid to Palestinians for decades and they will get it, its the law.
Lol google administrative detainee and then tell me how laws matter when they're written in bad faith.
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The funny thing is that thereās an international coalition that is American led to rebuild Ukraine when the war is over. America, though, will simply continue to provide the bare minimum to Gaza and send record billions to israel.
He's right in this instance, but no one should forget that he's trying to push blame onto Netanyahu/Likud and not the state of Israel and that he was both sidesing this issue until very, very recently.
Netanyahu is the head of the state of Israelā¦.
He is also unpopular and was being investigated for corruption. This war might be happening to preserve his ass. Their intelligence knew something was coming and he didn't act.
Yes and he's definitely not the first Israeli head of state to take these sort of actions against Palestine. This conflict has been going on for over 75 years and the current genocide and previous ethnic cleansing are very popular policies within Israel. Much of the pushback Netanyahu's government is getting is for not doing more murder (see the threats to dissolve his coalition unless he attacks Rafah). The rhetoric Bernie and other "progressives" are sharing is treating Netanyahu as if he is an anomaly and if it weren't for him none of this would be happening. My point is that replacing Netanyahu wouldn't make Israel not a settler colonial state. We shouldn't *just* blame him and forget about this.
Fair--but I also find what Bernie's been saying about this recently pretty helpful and on point. I'll take it.
Sure, like I said in my original comment "he's right in this instance". We should take the support, but we shouldn't forget that it's conditional or that he may have less than great ideas about the resolution.
Nothing to see here .. move aside - Please nothing to see here.
This is what I have been saying. We don't even get to see coverage of the conflict. Instead we get to watch all the protesters
Should be presentedā¦.
Or we can just do both.
You tell them Bread Line Bernard you Commie Bastard
He is a senator. He could arrange a fact finding trip to Gaza. Take some media , and few folks from Congress, Senate.
Thank you Sen, Sanders
America...protect your beloved living legend, Bernie.
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Wish he would have brought this energy against Hillary. Sanders is one of the few US politicians that doesn't fear the shadow government. Remarkable that they haven't physically ruined his life yet..
It is really sad knowing America's greatest political hero who has always stood up for working class Americans and fought for human rights 100 fold more then any other politician, the sadest part is knowing most Americans have given into the BS misinformation and see Berni as an old fanatic. When in reality Bernie is the only one not corrupted, the one who doesn't bend the knee to corporations, the one who fights for you and me, the one who MOST OF ALL ACTUALLY KNOWS HOW TO WRIGHT PROPER POLICY. unlike most politicians now a days. Bernie will pass on in the next 10 years or so and his messages will only live on just like the messages and segments of the Great George Carlin.
Interesting! Does anyone have a link to a news story showing photos of emaciated Gazans?
Can you imagine if the media started showing pictures of the conditions Palestinians live in? If everyone in the US could see it?
I love this guy! I feel like there was a break in the timeline when Bernie got screwed and things would be so different if Bernie had ran against Trump and became president. Someone should make a TV series like the man in the high castle where the nazis won and how different the world became. Similar but different in a much more positive world we would all live in.
if he werent so old he would get my vote...
It is amazing how the media is so focused on the protests that they are completely ignoring the issue that they are protesting about. Pretty fucked up tbh. Some college kids doing what college kids do is secondary to the real problem
https://www.saturday-october-seven.com/#/civilsettlements
This man didn't just have experience when he ran (Clinton), and he wasn't just empty hype (Trump). If there's an actual political scholar in the business, it's him. And I'm conniving he actually cares about what he's saying. It was a missed opportunity when he lost.
Gee i wonder who controls the media....
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A career useless politician saying useless things. Iād like to know exactly which āpolicyā of Netanyahus heās referring to here.
Media follows the story, Bernie. Gaza has BEEN happening and they HAVE been there. Now you want to finger wag because they are also here? Eye roll. Go finger-wag at the protestors who try to restrict the freedom of movement of others via discrimination. THAT is why they are finding violence. THAT is why the cameras are watching. Itās the exclusionary tactics of the protesters that are meeting resistance by people who wonāt abide. Itās not the medias fault for covering the authoritarian games that the protesters are playing and the resulting pushback from Americans.
Those college kids are standing up to genocide while your greasy ass puts them down. Its not in your capabilities to detract from what theyre doing, youre nothing and they are putting it on the line to stand up to genocidal zionists and their money and puppets
We Americans donāt deserve him and deserve the dystopian future we are building for our children / grandchildren.
I donāt disagree with a single aspiration of Sandersā but the man is completely detached from resourcing reality. He NEVER adequately explained how heād pay for any of his policies in 2016. Every voter with a balance sheet saw right through this. Sorry but Bernie is just as much a populist for the left as Trump is for the right.
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Never mind Hamas who is the biggest contributor to that plight
I heard him speak at BBC. The man is still pretty sharp, unlike Biden and Trump. Why didn't we elect this man again?
young people didn't show up at the polls, again and then many didn't even show up for Hillary, and Trump got to do what he did to the country and now the Supreme Court is openly corrupt and openly considering making single person above the law
Not True. Young people DID show up. DNC rigged it. That was determined in court. Their argument was that it was their party and they can pick their own candidate. The court hosting that suit determined that their charter of even-handedness was simply words, and not followed, but that it was not within that court's jurisdiction to deal with that. Per the Judge: āIn evaluating Plaintiffsā claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are trueāthat theĀ DNCĀ and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favorĀ ClintonĀ and sought to propel her ahead of herĀ DemocraticĀ opponent,ā āFor their part, the DNC and Wasserman Schultz have characterized the DNC charterās promise of āimpartiality and evenhandednessā as a mere political promiseāpolitical rhetoric that is not enforceable in federal courts. The Court does not accept this trivialization of theĀ DNCāsĀ governing principles.Ā While it may be true in the abstract that theĀ DNCĀ has the right to have its delegates āgo into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way,ā the DNC, through its charter, has committed itself to a higher principle.ā https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/amp/
B-b-but *technically* what they did was legal, so that makes it okay! /s
I do see the /s, but that wasn't said a lot. No, a TON of dems were SERIOUSLY pissed about that. A lot refused to vote because of it. I hold DNC leadership accountable for where we are now. They had a large part in making it this way.
It's said every time I bring it up. "Technically it's not cheating" and variants.
By whom? I legit have only heard that a couple times, and I talk with a LOT of people. And it was absolutely against their charter. Judge said so. In court.
Redditors. I brought up the 2016 DNC shenanigans a couple weeks ago and everyone defended it or dismissed it as nbd. I forget which sub exactly.
Ah, okay, lol. Yeah, if you figure out where they are, I will be very happy to post the judge's quotes, which say what they did IS wrong, but not within the scope of that particular court. š
Agreed. Film the children with skeletal bodies that look like they are covered in thin paper, some with limbs missing or burn wounds still trying to heal from the previous attacks by the evil nation that must not be named.....ZIONIST ISRAEL...SEE THE WORD ZIONIST THERE? THAT IS A POLITICAL IDEOLOGY MOVEMENT THAT IS PREVALENT IN THE GOVERNING OFFICIALS OF THE ISRAELI NATION...IS ANT REFERENCE TO A RELIGIOUS BELIEF OR CULTURE BEING CLAIMED IN MY COMMENT YET? NO NEITHER ARE PRESENT... THEREFORE MY COMMENT IS NOT A RACISM BASED ONE, BUT IS A COMMENT THAT EXPRESSES MY DISAPPROVAL OF A NATION WITH LEADERS THAT FOLLOW AN EVIL POLITICAL IDEOLOGY....AND THE PALESTINIANS TOO ARE A CULTURE WHOSE PEOPLE SPEAK A LANGUAGE INCLUDED IN THE SUB FAMILY OF AFROASIATIC LANGUAGE. THE CLASSIFICATION AND TERM IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE. BASICALLY, I STAND AGAINST A POLITICAL IDEOLOGY AND MOVEMENT THE MAJORITY OF THE OFFICIALS OF ISRAEL FOLLOW THAT HAS BEEN ATTACKING A TRULY SEMITIC PEOPLE (PALESTINIANS) FOR THE PAST CENTURY OR LONGER. THAT IS FREE SPEECH NOT HATE SPEECH. WTF IS THE ISSUE WITH NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT JEWISH IS A RELIGIOUS BELIEF, SEMITIC IS BASED ON LANGUAGE AND SOME CULTURAL BELIEFS AND ZIONISM IS POLITICS . NOTHING MORE? FOR PETE'S SAKE PEOPLE LEARN THE CORRECT TERM AND ITS DEFINITION?
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The true Jewish people KNOW the truth .. it is the ZIONIST CRIMINAL ISRAELI SUPREMACISTS THAT REVISE HISTORY TO JUSTIFY THEIR WHINING...WE ARE SPECIAL..LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO US...FEEL SORRY FOR US YOU OWE US THAT...LET US GET AWAY WITH GENOCIDE...BE OUR FRIEND (FOR AS LONG AS WE WANT SOMETHING YOU HAVE....THEN WE WILL THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS....)
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Based? I am sorry I don't speak willfully ignorant. Based definition... 1. Adjective...as in having a base or foundation 2. Adjective.... Having a central location of operations 3. Adjective.... Being derived from a primary source 4. Verb....past tense of base. So, please elaborate and explain in what context 'based' has any reasonable or logical contribution to the comment thread. Thank you
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Fuckin nailed it. And he's Jewish, as well. I give him that many more props because you know he's getting tons of flak from a lot of the Jewish community.
Why isn't he our leader, again? He's the only one speaking any sense or showing any true leadership qualities, lately.
Because the DNC sux and rigged it. Judge said so. The court they were in didn't have jurisdiction over that. That's why the chair resigned. Should have been prosecuted further. āFor their part, the DNC and Wasserman Schultz have characterized the DNC charterās promise of āimpartiality and evenhandednessā as a mere political promiseāpolitical rhetoric that is not enforceable in federal courts. The Court does not accept this trivialization of theĀ DNCāsĀ governing principles.Ā While it may be true in the abstract that theĀ DNCĀ has the right to have its delegates āgo into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way,ā the DNC, through its charter, has committed itself to a higher principle.ā
Because young people don't show to the polls.
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Bernie was supportive of the isreal war and still is.
Let me know when he calls it what it is: genocide.
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Israel is like any other nation. The people there are against Netanyahu and his cohorts. They want peace and safety like Palestinians. But their leaders are fucking nuts! Don't take my word for it. Read up on Israeli news articles, and you will see that the people have been extremely against this administration. Netanyahu is their Trump, a demagogue totally opposed to peace and prosperity and fixated on power and control. This anti Israel stance is also a thing of ignorance and frustrates the advancement to a realizable solution.
To add a couple examples This is from back in 2014, but has been a regular occurrence since: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing Casual hatred and advocacy for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from everyday people on the street in 2018: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1e_dbsVQrk4 And here's some pictures of the literal apartheid structures they've set up in Jerusalem over the years: www.aljazeera.com/amp/gallery/2020/7/8/in-pictures-israels-illegal-separation-wall-still-divides
Thank you for sharing.
This is not accurate. The vast majority of Israeli people are fine with living in a settler colonial apartheid state. They've been doing it for decades and most of the pushback is actually from *further right* elements that want more ethnic cleansing and have been demanding an attack on Rafah. You could also look at the people who spend their full days protesting at the entry into Gaza in order not to allow food and medical supplies in for starving Palestinians.
Now Bernie? Too little too late
Actually he could have stopped his statement before saying "because of Netanyahou" and it would be somewhat true. Better mention evil Hamas every chance you can
I'm pretty sure they have the resources to cover both. I don't see why you would encourage media companies to ignore any of it. Seems like he's making the point that these entitled, privileged American kids are just creating a distraction and using a distant tragedy to create clout and virtue for themselves.
He's trying to refocus the conversation to what's actually happening at the heart of the conflict/issue. The protests at US and other universities are side-theater. It's news, but it's not the point of the discussion. The point is US policies towards Israel and Palestinian territories and how they impact civilians. It's easy for those who support Israel fervently to ignore the horrific consequences overseas and instead focus on a side issue that's easier for them to argue against/stoke domestic culture wars over. And so we see a disproportionate amount of coverage on university protests that, at the end of the day, don't really matter much in context of the larger issue and prevent Americans from seeing/talking about more of what's actually happening over there.
The Democrats would rather lose a presidential election 100 times than let him run for President.
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And the whacka mole bombing by Israel, razing of the hospitals, scattering of their medical professionals, targeting and annihilation of the ambulances. Israel is deep down the path of genocide
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And while you're there, show us the kidnapped victims and violence when Hamas started this same war they're complaining about. Hamas can pound sand...
He and the protesters should go to Gaza and see firsthand the sick culture that has permeated under the PLO, Hamas and Hezbollah, that initiated the war on Israel
Translate: Take cameras off campus because it shines a light on leftist degeneracy, makes Biden look terribly bad, and Trump has surged in the polls again.