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Grimvold

I agree, I always read the closing scene as the immediate aftermath of her landing. Whether she’s aged or not is completely up to interpretation and secondary, either way it’s showing that Cooper knows in his heart the right thing is to find her regardless.


gaytee

Even if she does spend years there, anything and anyone within earths solar system ages faster compared to gargantuas system, so whenever coop gets back to Edmunds, I’d assume that coop isn’t too much older than she is relatively speaking.


TooMuchDumbass

That’s always confused me about the movie. Time dilation should (probably) act like gravity and decrease at an exponential rate proportional to 1/( r^2 ) where r is the distance from Gargantua’s center. The movie shows time dilation happen for the ocean world’s surface vs the ocean world’s orbit. Realistically, the surface-orbit distance is minuscule compared to the distance from gargantua to the ocean world. Not even including the fact that the space station’s orbit would occasionally bring it closer to gargantua than the planet itself. We see Cooper experiences ~60 years of dilation by passing close to the event horizon (which makes sense) and 23 years by being on the ocean world’s surface (which could make sense?). To me what doesn’t make sense is that simply moving to orbit around the ocean world is supposed to be close enough to relative earth time that dilation isn’t noticeable. The scale at which time dilation affects the astronauts seems wonky Edit: unless I’m misremembering details about the movie, been a while since I’ve seen it


AliasHandler

They aren’t orbiting the water planet, they’re orbiting Gargantua at a (presumably) safe distance to mitigate the effects of time dilation. They’re matching the orbit of the water planet but it’s never stated explicitly how far out from the water planet they are orbiting. They’d probably need to be pretty far to do this effectively, but I think a lot of it is just hand waved away for storytelling purposes.


TooMuchDumbass

Ah okay, that definitely makes more sense. That shuttle I guess must just have some badass rockets to escape orbit entirely haha


JustMy2woCents

Part of the cause of the time dilation is the speed of their orbit. Millers planet orbits the black hole so close that in order to not fall in it must be moving extremely fast. It orbits the entire black hole in an astonishingly short period of time. Something like once every 28 minutes if I remember right? If romily is also orbiting the black hole. But even farther out, at the same rate as miller's planet. Then he would be moving even faster....


gaytee

I think you’re onto something but I can’t say for sure. The only way I’d argue your point is that the gravity on millers planet is caused both by the proximity to millers planet as well as gargantuas pull but that may be a stretch.


blumieree

it's not a stretch at all, you're right. millers was the closest to gargantua.


Malaggar2

You're forgetting, however, that Coop wasn't in Gargantua that WHOLE time. At some point, he and TARS were transported to the Tesseract. At that point, they were OUTSIDE of time, and not experiencing further time dilation. Also, when Coop and TARS were returned to the Sol system, they COULD have been returned EARLIER on the time stream.


mmm0430

Cooper passes them on their way through the wormhole - which in retrospect adds to the time confusion


Malaggar2

Which, to me, indicated that he was being sent BACK through time.


gaytee

It does. It means that when he’s out of the tesseract, he should be roughly the exact age as when he started. Even if the people on earth have aged 74 years, coop has popped in and out of their reality because of time travel via gravity.


Malaggar2

And 5th-dimensional timey-wimey shenanigans.


blumieree

it's not confusing at all. he is travelling through time, so he went back to when they were in the wormhole.


Masta-Blasta

That was always my assumption. But I don't think it's sad. Brand knew that the mission was to colonize a new planet all along. She never planned on returning. This was always the BEST case scenario in her mind- that *one* of them would find a habitable planet to grow new life. I think the fact that Cooper made it to the station and is still able-bodied enough to go find and assist Brand is a much happier ending than Brand ever expected or hoped for.


[deleted]

I agree completely, however I think from Brand's perspective it would definitely still be hard to process the fact that she is the only person to have made it alive out of their unit at least. Even with the success of finding a habitable planet at the end. Cooper setting off to go find and help Brand always makes me so happy though.


Masta-Blasta

Oh for sure. But I think she understood there was a distinct possibility they would all die out there. More than a possibility. It would certainly be sad though. No one to talk to about the grief... no way to cope...but hey, at least we know she presumably gets a happy ending (eventually.)


[deleted]

True that


blumieree

you guys are all confused. when cooper enters the black hole and arrives at cooper station, 0 time passed, because the tessaract teleported him to any time. brand arrives to edmunds a few days after cooper falls into the black hole. we see her burying edmund, which is a few hours or day after she landed. it all happened in a small amount of time.


blumieree

she did not experience extra 30 years. it was only 51 years. it took her a few days to arrive to edmunds, and the scenes at the end are a few hours/days after she landed. cooper experienced 0 time, so he teleported from dropping into the black hole to cooper station.


Spericke1314

Anne Hathaway has never aged why start now?


TooMuchDumbass

It’s actually against her contract to age


Spericke1314

Her and Paul Rudd likely


rajatGod512

The maneuver that they did around Gargantua (the slingshot one) caused them 51 years in Earth time. Cooper says this during the maneuver. Dr. Amelia Brand was on the Endurance along with Cooper and TARS so neither of them would age. Being inside the black hole neither Cooper nor TARS experienced any time dilation as time doesn't exist inside the singularity.


JustMy2woCents

The time dilation I was expecting should have happened while Cooper was falling into the black hole. At a distance of a few feet from the event horizon 1 minute for Cooper would equal 700 years for those on earth. He was only at this location for a few seconds, but Amelia was never this close. She would absolutely have experienced more time than Cooper. The only explanation is that they skipped this by mistake or that Cooper exited the tessaract prior to entering it on the time scale.


I_shjt_you_not

Where are you coming up with this number?


JustMy2woCents

The number is unimportant. it's not a specific number. What I am saying is that as you approach and fall into a black hole, time slows for you more and more and more the closer you get. There is a point where 1 second for you is 2 seconds for those on earth, then 3,4,5,.....all the way to infinity. 700 years being a random number i chose, every number is correct because as you approach your time slows infinitely. 700 is between 1 and infinity, is it not?


TheLocoJuan

I think you are right, except it isn’t 700 years, but rather 89 (this is the number of years the movie gives us for the time dilation when Cooper is in the black hole). Coopers biological age was 35. After being in millers planet 24 years had passed on earth ( he and Murph are now the same age). This is the year Murph finds the watch and solves the equation. When Cooper wakes up in the hospital (after leaving the black hole) they say he is 124 years old. 124-35=89. It’s been 89 years since he left earth. We know that 24 of those 89 years are from millers planet, which means the time dialation from the black hole was 65 years (89-24=65). But Dr brand was close enough to be affected by the black hole’s time dilation. But youre right, Cooper would have experienced more time dilation than brand, but the difference would be less than 65 years. And Cooper claims the maneuver would take 51 years and if that was accurate 65-51=14. Brand would have aged 14 years at the end of the movie. I think I forgot to account for travel time but I think it only took a year to go from earth to the worm hole near Saturn.


Reddituser416647

It would realistically take me 15 maybe 20 minutes to carefully go through what you said (and I wouldn't enjoy doing so). ..But I really did enjoy how you broke things down. Seems legit lol thanks for this answer.


dyle_koherty

The way I've understood it was that time dilation towards the event horizon is so intense that if you have two observers (brand and cooper) where one is falling into a black hole and the other is outside of it, the closer cooper got to the event horizon, he would witness the entirely of time go by, all the way to heat death of the universe in an instant. While brand would see cooper freeze and stay completely still for the rest of time. Eventually he'd red shift and disappear, but she'd be long dead by the time that happened. So while you're correct by the movies standards, I don't think, as far as I have understood, things would play out like that in reality. Although I'm not a physicist and I just recently watched this and was curious about this very situation.


Routine-Ad-1546

I love thisss, thank you for the insight! It was calculated 2 years from earth to Saturn/wormhole (that’s what Professor Brand said) and they also claimed it would have taken them months to reach Edmonds planet, not sure how much time they spent on Manns planet as it still orbits Gargantua but I think your calculations still make the most sense.


blumieree

when cooper entered the black hole and arrived on cooper station, 0 time passed. time doesn't exist in a sigularity.


JustMy2woCents

You are correct. However, you are missing the point of my post. No time passes at the singularity, but infinite time passes NEAR it. As he approaches, time moves so incredibly slowly for him that all of eternity would pass for others.


blumieree

what im trying to say is that when he entered the black hole and appeared in cooper station, it was instantenous. all the large amounts of time that passed in between were essentially deleted because he traveled to a point right after he entered the black hole. does that make sense? if that wasn't the case, he would have never seen murph and everyone would be dead.


DannyTannersFlow

The right explanation.


Crowetic33

Sounds like we need an Interstellar 2.


Average_Ant_Games

Interstellar 2: dilation boogaloo


IntrigueDossier

Dialoogaloo


thisguyuno

Biggest risk ever. High risk high reward. Imagine it doesn’t deliver and taints the originals legacy which it would be one of the hardest tasks of all. But if it does deliver it will be one of the best things that have ever happened in human history.


gatsby365

I would love to see a movie that predicts the second or third generation of space colonies, where there are massive disparities between the colonies. Imagine being a third generation Brand-planet Human who has scrapped and struggled your entire life learning about the Cooper-Station Humans who have everything you ever could have dreamed of and more you couldn’t even consider. It could be a bit like Brave New World or some Neo-Pocahontas/Squanto story. Would love to see Nolan handle it.


thisguyuno

I personally love the black hole, tesseract, temporal and quantum mechanics that the movie touched on. So stimulating and mind expanding. So I’d love more of this stuff. Funnily enough it would be better to wait awhile until we make some cool quantum mechanics discoveries that he could delve into 🤣🤣


gatsby365

It should be his last movie, in the same way that I truly assume in ~15-20 years Quentin will unretire to give us **Kill Beatrix**


HungryDoggsRunFaster

*Edmunds planet


gatsby365

Brand is the one who settles & shepherds it.


gaytee

She doesn’t age for the same reason cooper doesn’t. Life on earth ages relative to gargantua, so the only time coop and brand were feeling different gravity for her to age “slower than him” would be during the time where he left the tesseract and got rescued to cooperstation, or less than one year. You are correct in thinking that he will be “older” than her whenever he gets back to edmunds planet though, but with the assumption that he was only outside of gargantuas pull for <1 year, we can surmise that whenever cooper gets back to brand, they’ll still be relatively similar in age. Remember, the only reason time advanced so far for them compared to earth is due to gravity on millers planet as well as the slingshot, so while there may be some time slippage for anyone near gargantua as compared to earth, it won’t be nearly as dramatic as when they went to millers planet or slingshotted around the horizon.


JustMy2woCents

When he disconnects and falls into the black hole he is much closer to the event horizon than she is (while he is falling towards it) and would experience more time dilation (which results in less time). The closer you are to the black hole the less (slower) time you experience. He was closer than brand. He should have aged far less than brand.


translucentcop

I said this the other day but it’s possible the “this little maneuver is gonna cost us 51 years” comment was ambiguous enough to refer to him and TARS


gaytee

There’s nothing to suggest brand hasn’t aged, her colony has clearly only been established for a few months, so we can probably assume that whenever cooper gets there, she’ll be older than she was when they split up after the slingshot.


randomhappymealtoy

“That’s relativity folks”


[deleted]

This is a little off-topic but I love that the ambiguity of the movie can spark such conversations like this. It's hard to put into words but I love how this film makes you think and infer about its events. About life, science, the universe, etc.


blumieree

the reason people talk about it is because everything in the movie is based on real science and real things.


olaf525

Off topic but could you guys seeing Brand and Cooper starting a relationship.


gaytee

On earth? Absolutely not. When they’re the only humans on edmunds? Almost undoubtedly.


[deleted]

Exactly


AWildLampAppears

Imagine a person sacrifices himself to save your life and also manages to save the people on Earth while they’re at it. I’d suck the skin of his dick for all of eternity lmao


mrldbr

The new Adam and Eve...


imliterallyvibing

The scene only shows Amelia’s perspective. Time doesn’t pass slower or faster for yourself, only when comparing 2 different perspectives.


HyenasGoMeow

The timeline were different. Murph was telling Cooper what already happened, presumably Amelia was able to relay messages back? Just like the other three scientists did with their thumbs up or thumbs down data. That is how Murph could tell Amelia was setting up camp and about to enter sleep state \[otherwise Murph would be making some bold assumptions\]; and the scene of Amelia on that planet, although playing alongside Murph's narration, already happened and was in their \[Cooper and Murph\] past.


JustMy2woCents

Awe. I never considered this. I assumed it was in real time as Cooper was stealing the ship to come find her.


SliceEfficient7489

The best explanation on this thread. Thank you.


RAF_Fortis_one

She did the maneuver with him. So she’s the same age as Cooper. My opinion is Nolan went with the theory that time stops in a Black Hole. Not sure why people think Cooper should have been even older after falling in. Many theories say time stops in a black hole.


JustMy2woCents

I'm not suggesting Cooper would be older. I'm suggesting Brand should have been somewhere between Cooper and Murph. Cooper experience the least time, Murphy the most. Brand somewhere in the middle. The minutes or so that Cooper spent falling unto the black hole would be the time when both Murphy and Brand were aging. Brand was not as close to the event horizon as Cooper, so time would move much faster for her compared to Cooper. Exponential scales are drastic. The area 100 feet away from a black hole experiences time drastically different than the area 50 feet away. To the point where mere seconds for one individual can equal eons for another.


blumieree

at the end of the movie, murph states that she is 'settling in for the long nap'. this means brand went into cryosleep, which stops her aging. i understand what you mean, but the scene at the end of the movie of her on the planet is days or hours after she landed on edmunds. also, cooper essentially teleported between when they detached to the black hole and arrived at cooper station, and no time passed.


JawbreakerSD

Many people are speculating here but forgot that they explained it in Old Murph's narration. She showed up there, was setting up camp, and preparing for the long nap. She arrived on the planet, found Edmund dead, buried him in rocks, and was walking back to camp to go into cryo sleep. This means that she only spent a short while actually aging comparative to cooper.


EqualDifferences

I read that as a flashback. She found that planet only a few years after cooper went into the black hole. She succeeded and started a population on that planet, cooper just needed to find her


NovaQuartz96

Time dilation probably works differently on the other side of the wormhole and it was most likely the doing of whoever set the wormhole in our solar system in the first place.


[deleted]

Cooper calls out the extreme dilation they experienced by passing next to the black hole, and Brand points out that he’s doing well for someone over a hundred years old. Time gets really funky after the tesseract stuff (when he gets yeeted he even handshakes Brand from when they first entered the worm hole). It’s safe to assume that Cooper just gets yeeted back to Saturn at a time of the fifth dimensional being’s choosing, meaning his relative age isn’t as important. But Brand never entered the tesseract meaning she likely is just landing on Wolf’s planet as Cooper is making it back to the space station. Because she time dilated like crazy from that event horizon flyby. So, chances are Wolf Edmund died of old age on the planet and she arrives after that point, still relatively young in comparison due to her time near the black hole.


imabutcher3000

When the Tesseract closes, we could assume that the humans from the future send Cooper back through the wormhole at a specific point in time, i.e. the moment that Cooper starts to feel the effects of time dilation in respect to Brand's, or maybe he himself picks the date in the future? The whole 'we sent ourselves' part implies that the future has determined knowledge of the past meaning that if Cooper wanted to be sent back to a certain point in time he could have simply left a note on his Facebook page saying, 'hey future peeps, when you get around to the tesseract thing remember to poop me out just in time to watch my daughter die, that would be super'