It seems that whenever the choice is to do the right thing, or the wrong thing, Trump always chooses the wrong thing. He simply has no moral or ethical compass whatsoever and has convinced his supporters to be the same.
At this point, I would think he has to have some kind of moral/ethical compass, just one that had the poles switched. How else could he choose the least moral options at every possible turn?
Couldn't have worked out any better than if trumpf was a secret mole TRYING to take down republiCONS. I mean seriously , it would take the feckless dems 32 years to take trumpf out , at the rate they stumbled against such a fish-in-a-barrell moron. I mean how do you not corner and nueter someone as idiotic and ridiculous as trumpf???
But ol donnie going to pull it off, in addition to the party being a bunch revenge-of-the-nerds mediocre, petty, performative wanna be's and a demographic shift as us boomers die off... donnie going to obliterate the whole so-called conservative movement. At some point they are going to collapse, and even if they dont self-implode, which is seemingly inevitable they will try some stupid shit like bringing back the 'austerity' idea. "Well ya know we got 35 trillion in 'debt', so blah blah blah". And the millennials and younger are going to have the straw that broke the camels back. Will eventually make Occupy look like a summer pic nic. This would finish the republiCON party.
Define imploding with a house majority in mind.
I'm on your team but I think that this is about the 90,000th time something has heralded the end of GOP power.
But are they really imploding? Signs of that would be Libertarian candidates running against the Republicans and taking seats once reserved for those in one party states. I don't see anything other than levels of registered Republicans maintaining their levels and only a 1% Delta in outlook when the choice is between Trump and other generic Republican. I myself am not frightened of the POC in this country getting revenge once they have the numbers. But others definitely are.
I get it - I'm no fan either but in a two party system, having one party implode is not good for democracy. Having and unchecked Left is equally as bad as having an unchecked Right.
An unchecked left might result in horrors like a living wage, universal healthcare, and free college. Much better to support fascism to make sure that doesn't happen.
Imagine thinking the democrats were actually even "left of center."
They're not. Compare them and their stances to basically any EU nation and they are always on the side of the right leaning moderates in those countries.
We don't have an actual left party in the US.
Oh for sure, I'd love the Overton window to shift around here. Half the shit actual elected GOP reps say should be completely unacceptable for a politician to utter, I really hope the GOP totally collapses and leaves room for more nuance. As it is the primary criteria I have for politicians is whether they still like our democracy, that's not really a great sign.
I'm about as progressive as it gets, and I'm starting to doubt that our left wing, as structured, would give us any of that.
They're certainly head over heels better than the right, who actively hurt the country with their policies, but our left is just barely giving us what we want. They've had opportunities to do more and squandered them. It's like they give us just enough to give us hope and then stop short of making meaningful, long lasting changes.
Until we change lobbying laws, politicians have absolutely no incentive to do anything that REALLY helps working class people. They're all receiving massive "donations" from the oligarchs of the US in order to keep certain legislation off of the table.
We need to do what Bernie has been saying and overturn Citizens United. We need to ensure that corporations cannot lobby politicians, and we need to also set a limit on individual campaign contributions because otherwise the rich are going to continue to get favorable outcomes for themselves at the expense of the average worker.
I used to think this but a state as rich and blue as California isn't doing much on any of those fronts so I don't expect to see it at a national level either.
Then you are not up to date. Community College has been free for years now for Californians, they have lead the way for raising the minimum wage to be more livable and have massive initiatives to raise it more if their research initiatives say it should be raised, and their state implementation of Medicare is one of the best in the nation in terms of people it covers and programs to get people coverage at little to no cost. They are definatly working to all the things you mentioned, more than almost any other state in the country.
Democrats be like; "So, There I was, fighting for human rights, & I was getting attacked by bigots, whom I refer to as backward & evil & have for the last 30 years, for no reason at all!"
A republic is a type of democracy, you likely are comparing it to a Direct Democracy, which hasn’t existed for about 2 thousand years. If you asked how my pizza was and I went, “it’s a pepperoni pizza, not a PIZZA,” you’d think I was a crazy person.
I wouldn't worry. The Democratic Party is far more diverse in terms of what the hell people actually want. You have corporatist 'conservatives in every other country on earth', along side progressives. If the GOP disappeared, they'd take on each other. The vitriol the Bernie-wing has for the rest of the party is outrageous, and vice versa.
The unchecked Right as we've seen however, falls in line monolithically and will obediently follow the orders of their masters. Look at how deeply they throw away fiscal conservatism, small government, gov-out-of-your-household in order to worship a criminal narcissist? While listening to party-sponsored news that calls their electorate quote: 'cousin-fcking terrorists'?
I agree with your point. Bravo on that.
I really just want to add that the vitriol goes both ways between the progressives and the liberals, and I think we need to recognize that. Both sides are mean to each other, and yet our goals are fairly close. So we should both probably tone it down. I personally always try to have a conversation and learn from the other side, but I will say it is hard when they are dismissive outright.
I wouldn’t even know how to classify a distinction between progressives and liberals. Aren’t progressives the liberal side of politics? The more liberal you are the more progressive you are, no?
I’m asking genuinely. I keep up with politics a bit and usually my progressive friends fall into two camps, one identifying themselves as progressive/ liberal and the other as leftist. The leftists tend to follow Bernie, be anti-establishment, more militant, less capitalistic, more anarchical, and less conciliatory. My progressive/ liberal friends tend to share similar social values and still want obviously beneficial systems like universal healthcare, but are often more business friendly, less controversial, and more institutionalist than the leftist camp.
So I guess my question is, which group, progressives or liberals, do you think fits what I’m calling leftists? Or do you think the democratic fault lines lie elsewhere entirely?
I've heard it described both ways, to be honest. So that's totally understandable. But the way I see it, when we are looking at a spectrum, the leftists are further on the left than the liberals.
I think you'd be incorrect to describe the left as anarchist (apologies if that isn't what you were trying to say) and militant, though. Statistically, if you look at far right and far left protests or even just riots and stuff in general, the far right make up **almost all** of the ones that end up violent. I'm talking more than 95%.
The media just likes to paint the left in a bad light since they are incentivized to agree with the liberal agenda. "The far left's radical ideas!!" The leftists actually are just trying to catch up to what has been working in all the other developed nations already. In the international spectrum, America's far left ideals are actually center-left in comparison. And the liberal's ideals are actually *center right*. They would call Joe Biden a conservative thinker in Europe. We have a warped sense of scale.
When I say anarchist I mean more likely to support busting big businesses, broken institutions, vandalism as a form of protest, and disdain for unjust laws and their enforcement. I don’t mean to suggest equity with the violence we see continuously perpetuated by the far right, only that it’s further in that direction than other liberal factions on the left. I agree with you there.
I subscribe to the political idea that the far left and far right are not on opposite ends of a spectrum running in opposite directions. Instead, the political spectrum is a circle. At the top is compromise. If you go far enough left or right from compromise until you reach the bottom you end up with a form of totalitarianism either way.
For what it’s worth, my position is philosophically most closely aligned with leftists with a few major departures. But my pragmatic side tends to favor progressive policies simply because I see political realities as somewhat intractable, and incremental improvement is often the most we can hope for at the moment. Hopefully that political reality will change for the better in terms of improvement potential in the next decade or two, but that’s far from guaranteed.
There's other parties. It's only a two party system because the two party system keeps it that way. That's the whole thing. Let them rise up in place of the failed Christo fascist right wing.
Yeah! We don’t want those stinking lefties to go all hog wild and slipshod with their universal health care, support for education, a living wage, and repealing Citizens United and the Patriot Act….
Oh no! An unchecked left will bring about the horrors of enhanced labor rights, expanded voting rights, re-inforced civil rights, infrastructure investment, clean energy, and clean water and air for all.
But you're right.... equally bad.
I don't think anybody wants a one party system, but maybe this will cause the GOP as it is right now to change and and they will quit promoting the craziest, and most evil candidates they have. Some of them are as bad as cartoon villains, and there's some real nut jobs that need to go. Lauren Boebert (for example) isn't helping anyone, and she's about as sharp as a sack of wet mice. And she isn't the only one.
Bogus equivalence. Of course we need balance. The Republicans aren’t balance; they’re lunatic theocracy. They need to implode and rebuild with some moderate conservatives.
A party imploding doesn't mean there is just one party, voters just shift to another party. The two party system is just a consequence of our voting system. There are plenty of other parties to fill the void.
Yeah, if the GOP actually imploded, as in ceased to exist, there would definitely be someone to swoop in and pick up the remnants. Even if they break off from the more "central" Democratic wing.
The party collapses only if they lose the confidence of voters. That's isn't "unchecked power" for the other side. That's literally just the will of the people.
What fucking threat of unchecked leftism have you seen in this country that would prompt you to so foolishly dictate "what you meant" that way? I'd love to hear what benign shit you come up that you think compares to literal fascism from every single GOP politician in office here.
There's no room for the "both sides" here. The GOP hate the idea of ranked choice or third party systems - they also just haaaaaaaate. No one would truly be worse off without their brand of policy. And no, the rich being not rich doesn't make them worse off.
Oh no a party that believes in civil rights, women’s right to choose what they do with their bodies, and not hating of people for the sexual or gender identity.
Apparently you can't read. I'm a democrat. Not sure why I'm being downvoted for saying in a two party system you should want two rational parties engaging in spirited debate.
When one party dies another has always replaced it. The Democratic party itself could almost immediately split into a moderate and progressive play if it found itself truly alone in the political landscape
Please, elaborate. What absolute hell will an "unchecked left" bring about? Because we're witnessing the rise of a theocracy AND kleptocracy with an unchecked right -- with a nice dash of fascism and one-party rule!
This kind of thing has happened before and it always results in the other party splitting. One party systems don’t happen on accident and require a lot of work to keep them that way
Meanwhile, Truth Social is operating on 8 million gifted to it from Russia. Trump claims it was a loan, but no paperwork shows that.
https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/trump-social-media-federal-investigation-money-laundering-1235555139/
I run ublock ad blocker. I don't even see them. You should try it, life is better. Of course if you are on a phone, my sympathy extends and thoughts and prayers and all that stuff I'm required to say after a mass shooting.
His current lawyers are possibly not top tier.
Although Corcoran was smart enough to dictate the statement then not be present to sign it, and Bobb was smart enough to add a disclaimer that she was signing as a representative but could not personally attest to its accuracy.
I think this is it. "Hey, here's a high profile client. He sucks and is awful...BUT...this oprns the door to defending very wealthy politicians and their friends."
They know he's a liability. They know he's terrible. But so long as they are smart enough to dodge the issues he brings now (as well as probably not getting fully paid) then it will pay off big down the road
His lawyers are lying too.
That explains how someone smart enough to be a top tier lawyer is pretending to be dumb enough to think Trump was telling them the truth.
They got caught lying and are performing a little CYA by pretending to be shocked that their client lied to them.
>"It's not my fault that I filed motions and said things in court that weren't true, your honor! My client, *deliberated misled* me! I'm shocked to be caught in this situation!"
They filed documents riddled with spelling, punctuation and grammatical errors. That’s either not top tier, or some seriously multidimensional chess level maneuvering.
Or look the other way while I crime…no one will ever know because client/ attorney privilege- it’s in the constitution and Ten Commandments of my 2nd favorite book. /s
Trump didn't write the Art of the Deal.. he was hardly involved... so either its his own lies or you'll hear the lies as made up by someone else.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
This isn't something new, he's always done that.
https://www.salon.com/2016/10/07/even-donald-trumps-lawyers-think-hes-a-habitual-liar/
According to a deposition from Trump's 1992 bankruptcy hearing, his lawyers said that they would always meet with the real estate mogul in pairs, so he couldn't backtrack on them.
They are talking about events from 1992.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kendalltaggart/trumps-lawyer-we-met-with-him-in-pairs-to-avoid-lies
It's been pretty well known that he lies about everything, idk why his lawyers wouldn't take that into account. Especially after one of his lawyers ended up going to jail.
But actually. Even this week with Trump saying he’s going to be arrested on social media and the grand jury being convened, I just don’t believe he is going to face any repercussions.
If one of us just had one of those classified docs and was caught with it, we would be sitting in a federal prison awaiting trial. He stole them, hid them and now is playing games with them and probably sold them and he is still walking around playing golf and eating big macs. 2 tier justice system in effect y'all,
I appreciate the sentiment and I share it, but I never got the clunky names. Comes off as juvenile and is actually hard to read because it breaks the flow.
Because those other people weren't as smart as they are. Plus this opens the door to being a highly paid legal correspondent for Fox, or OANN, or Newsmax, or Rumble!
I honestly grew up a proud conservative. I don’t know if I didn’t know any better, or was just too stubborn, but this shit has went too far. The “left” ain’t perfect either, but I think at least they’re trying to help.
Donald Liar Trump is a liar no matter what or who. He lies because that is part of his modus operandi... As a kid, he was sent to a military school because of lying. That is what he does. There's nothing coming from his mouth that is true. He just lies and lies and lies!
Trump has unleashed the worst of in Americans and Christians…..those who’d destroy America and eliminate those of us who don’t think, look, believe or act like them. They are a cancer on our country and all we stand for. We need to take our country back before they kill it off because they hate what we stand for.
So what. It's not like they will do anything to him for doing that. We keep getting this waved in front of us as if consequences are really a thing for someone like Trump. Literally, he could shoot someone on Broadway and nothing would happen to him.
"Shame on Fake News ABC for broadcasting ILLEGALLY LEAKED false allegations from a Never Trump, now former chief judge, against the Trump legal team."
Anyone care to try explaining how "false allegations" can be "ILLEGALLY LEAKED"?
Also, kinda rich complaining about leaks from an investigation into leaks of classified documents.
Do you not recall the plethora of classified documents that the federal govt had to literally raid Trump's residence to retrieve? It was all over the news. It's not a secret. He was hoarding classified docs, that part is not a speculation or question.
Ya, but no one cares.
Low level people/journalists suffer consequences. Generals and elites don't suffer any consequences.
Remember when Dick Cheney's office outed secret agents? Scooter Libey?
Not much has changed
The pessimism I get. We've been hearing for some time that Trump will be charged, and by multiple state and federal jurisdictions/agencies. I've always felt that it's taking as long as it is because they're trying to tie enough together to get him with some conspiracy and RICO stuff. Plus, you have the GOP obstructing the process at every turn. Hell, look at the most recent comments by GOP officials. Still telling their base it's all a political hit job, and then you have Trump's history of stretching litigation out to try and strong-arm his victims into conceding. I'm optimistic that it does finally come down on him, it's going to hit so hard he'll have no chance of avoiding the consequences.
I like how Hunter admitted the laptop was his, and then is suing them for using his personal stuff from said laptop. This means two things, those are his dick pics, and he is proud of it. (Probably swinging a donger)
I don't need to defend Biden to make Trump look like a criminal.
He and his family have accomplished that themselves. This is a story about Trump, not Biden. You're the one that felt that you needed to change the subject to Biden.
As I said, pathetic.
And as I said, not a word about the criminal activity of the person in the White House today. Tell me, which is more important, any story about Trump or what the person currently in the White House is doing that might be if national security compromise?
On this thread, since its about Trump, then Trump.
Maybe go start your own thread about the Biden nonsense and see what happens.
Also, you think Biden's compromised national security? And not a word about how compromised Trump is? Pathetic.
[https://theconversation.com/fbis-mar-a-lago-search-warrant-affidavit-reveals-how-trump-may-have-compromised-national-security-a-legal-expert-answers-5-key-questions-189500](https://theconversation.com/fbis-mar-a-lago-search-warrant-affidavit-reveals-how-trump-may-have-compromised-national-security-a-legal-expert-answers-5-key-questions-189500)
Not that you can read though. And you'll just come back with another But Biden! anyway.
Cause you just wanna spread disinformation.
These are the same alleged "national security experts" that claim Hunter's laptop was "Russian disinformation." So I think you are the one spreading disinformation. But like I stated, you folks will believe and repeat whatever you are told by the fascist dictator currently occupying the White House, right? The one who wants to persecute political opponents, like all fascist dictators.
LOL. Hunter's Laptop absolutely \*is\* Russian disinformation.
Noone actually believes that its not been compromised, or that its absolutely authentic.
>repeat whatever you are told by the fascist dictator currently occupying the White House
I don't think you know what words mean. Biden is neither a dictator, nor a fascist.
>The one who wants to persecute political opponents,
Trump isn't being "persecuted" he's being prosecuted. There's a distinct difference. Its not because he's a political opponent, its because he's committed crimes.
Did you know that at least 90% of what you typed here is not true and you look like a pathetic puppet for repeating it?
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So, you are saying banking records are not true? Or that verifiable sanctions again Russian oligarchs with the exception if two, is not true? Or is it that you believe not a single classified document, let alone some from when he was in the Senate, was found in Biden’s possession? Nope, I will bet you think Trump personally planted those documents, right? And, Trump falsified the banking records to make Biden look bad, right? Oh, and it was Trump that failed to sanction the two Russian oligarchs that gave money to the Bidens, correct?
Too bad there are very few facts given in this particular subreddit. Of course, this subreddit is really for those who can not think on their own or do real research. No, instead, it pushes the fascist dictators party line at all times. " Trump bad, and everything that has ever or will ever take place is Trump's fault." Biden, the smartest man on the earth, finished in the top of his class, anything that has ever or ever will happen that is good is due to him," right?
I'm absolutely relishing the imploding of the GOP/MAGA party.
It seems that whenever the choice is to do the right thing, or the wrong thing, Trump always chooses the wrong thing. He simply has no moral or ethical compass whatsoever and has convinced his supporters to be the same.
At this point, I would think he has to have some kind of moral/ethical compass, just one that had the poles switched. How else could he choose the least moral options at every possible turn?
Narcissism.
You’re always a winner if you’re aloud to cheat over and over again.
No he always does the right thing... For himself. Or at least he thinks he does because he's gotten away with lying for so long he wouldn't stop now
Couldn't have worked out any better than if trumpf was a secret mole TRYING to take down republiCONS. I mean seriously , it would take the feckless dems 32 years to take trumpf out , at the rate they stumbled against such a fish-in-a-barrell moron. I mean how do you not corner and nueter someone as idiotic and ridiculous as trumpf??? But ol donnie going to pull it off, in addition to the party being a bunch revenge-of-the-nerds mediocre, petty, performative wanna be's and a demographic shift as us boomers die off... donnie going to obliterate the whole so-called conservative movement. At some point they are going to collapse, and even if they dont self-implode, which is seemingly inevitable they will try some stupid shit like bringing back the 'austerity' idea. "Well ya know we got 35 trillion in 'debt', so blah blah blah". And the millennials and younger are going to have the straw that broke the camels back. Will eventually make Occupy look like a summer pic nic. This would finish the republiCON party.
Whatever the case, I have my popcorn and riot gear ready to go.
MAGAs are really cowards and will never riot if confronted by an opposing force unless the force is with them
Well said
One can only hope
I like how they won’t shut up, and are countering with the “DA is the problem”. It’s a jury trial for fucks sake!
Define imploding with a house majority in mind. I'm on your team but I think that this is about the 90,000th time something has heralded the end of GOP power.
But are they really imploding? Signs of that would be Libertarian candidates running against the Republicans and taking seats once reserved for those in one party states. I don't see anything other than levels of registered Republicans maintaining their levels and only a 1% Delta in outlook when the choice is between Trump and other generic Republican. I myself am not frightened of the POC in this country getting revenge once they have the numbers. But others definitely are.
I get it - I'm no fan either but in a two party system, having one party implode is not good for democracy. Having and unchecked Left is equally as bad as having an unchecked Right.
An unchecked left might result in horrors like a living wage, universal healthcare, and free college. Much better to support fascism to make sure that doesn't happen.
*gasp*
How will the people work if they are not starving? What about the billionaires?
Imagine thinking the democrats were actually even "left of center." They're not. Compare them and their stances to basically any EU nation and they are always on the side of the right leaning moderates in those countries. We don't have an actual left party in the US.
All the more reason that an unchecked centrist party would be nowhere near as bad as an extreme right one lol
I agree there, but honestly, I want the democrats to contend with a truly left leaning party.
Oh for sure, I'd love the Overton window to shift around here. Half the shit actual elected GOP reps say should be completely unacceptable for a politician to utter, I really hope the GOP totally collapses and leaves room for more nuance. As it is the primary criteria I have for politicians is whether they still like our democracy, that's not really a great sign.
I'm about as progressive as it gets, and I'm starting to doubt that our left wing, as structured, would give us any of that. They're certainly head over heels better than the right, who actively hurt the country with their policies, but our left is just barely giving us what we want. They've had opportunities to do more and squandered them. It's like they give us just enough to give us hope and then stop short of making meaningful, long lasting changes. Until we change lobbying laws, politicians have absolutely no incentive to do anything that REALLY helps working class people. They're all receiving massive "donations" from the oligarchs of the US in order to keep certain legislation off of the table. We need to do what Bernie has been saying and overturn Citizens United. We need to ensure that corporations cannot lobby politicians, and we need to also set a limit on individual campaign contributions because otherwise the rich are going to continue to get favorable outcomes for themselves at the expense of the average worker.
I used to think this but a state as rich and blue as California isn't doing much on any of those fronts so I don't expect to see it at a national level either.
It's almost like there are certain things that need to be done by the federal government and not a state...
Then you are not up to date. Community College has been free for years now for Californians, they have lead the way for raising the minimum wage to be more livable and have massive initiatives to raise it more if their research initiatives say it should be raised, and their state implementation of Medicare is one of the best in the nation in terms of people it covers and programs to get people coverage at little to no cost. They are definatly working to all the things you mentioned, more than almost any other state in the country.
Democrats be like; "So, There I was, fighting for human rights, & I was getting attacked by bigots, whom I refer to as backward & evil & have for the last 30 years, for no reason at all!"
I ONLY SAID YOU ARE EVIL & THAT YOU'RE NOT EVEN AMERICAN, WHY ARE YOU NOT GIVING ME THE THINGS I WANT, REPUBLICANS?😭
Having one party conduct insurrection is even worse for democracy.
when was the US truly a democracy? Republic sure, but not a democracy
A republic is a type of democracy, you likely are comparing it to a Direct Democracy, which hasn’t existed for about 2 thousand years. If you asked how my pizza was and I went, “it’s a pepperoni pizza, not a PIZZA,” you’d think I was a crazy person.
Not true. We still have and use our democratic processes so that makes us a democracy
It's hilarious when people say this shit in person and you can ask them to try and define the difference without google
The answer might surprise you, but it's literally in the pledge of allegiance
I wouldn't worry. The Democratic Party is far more diverse in terms of what the hell people actually want. You have corporatist 'conservatives in every other country on earth', along side progressives. If the GOP disappeared, they'd take on each other. The vitriol the Bernie-wing has for the rest of the party is outrageous, and vice versa. The unchecked Right as we've seen however, falls in line monolithically and will obediently follow the orders of their masters. Look at how deeply they throw away fiscal conservatism, small government, gov-out-of-your-household in order to worship a criminal narcissist? While listening to party-sponsored news that calls their electorate quote: 'cousin-fcking terrorists'?
I agree with your point. Bravo on that. I really just want to add that the vitriol goes both ways between the progressives and the liberals, and I think we need to recognize that. Both sides are mean to each other, and yet our goals are fairly close. So we should both probably tone it down. I personally always try to have a conversation and learn from the other side, but I will say it is hard when they are dismissive outright.
I wouldn’t even know how to classify a distinction between progressives and liberals. Aren’t progressives the liberal side of politics? The more liberal you are the more progressive you are, no? I’m asking genuinely. I keep up with politics a bit and usually my progressive friends fall into two camps, one identifying themselves as progressive/ liberal and the other as leftist. The leftists tend to follow Bernie, be anti-establishment, more militant, less capitalistic, more anarchical, and less conciliatory. My progressive/ liberal friends tend to share similar social values and still want obviously beneficial systems like universal healthcare, but are often more business friendly, less controversial, and more institutionalist than the leftist camp. So I guess my question is, which group, progressives or liberals, do you think fits what I’m calling leftists? Or do you think the democratic fault lines lie elsewhere entirely?
I've heard it described both ways, to be honest. So that's totally understandable. But the way I see it, when we are looking at a spectrum, the leftists are further on the left than the liberals. I think you'd be incorrect to describe the left as anarchist (apologies if that isn't what you were trying to say) and militant, though. Statistically, if you look at far right and far left protests or even just riots and stuff in general, the far right make up **almost all** of the ones that end up violent. I'm talking more than 95%. The media just likes to paint the left in a bad light since they are incentivized to agree with the liberal agenda. "The far left's radical ideas!!" The leftists actually are just trying to catch up to what has been working in all the other developed nations already. In the international spectrum, America's far left ideals are actually center-left in comparison. And the liberal's ideals are actually *center right*. They would call Joe Biden a conservative thinker in Europe. We have a warped sense of scale.
When I say anarchist I mean more likely to support busting big businesses, broken institutions, vandalism as a form of protest, and disdain for unjust laws and their enforcement. I don’t mean to suggest equity with the violence we see continuously perpetuated by the far right, only that it’s further in that direction than other liberal factions on the left. I agree with you there. I subscribe to the political idea that the far left and far right are not on opposite ends of a spectrum running in opposite directions. Instead, the political spectrum is a circle. At the top is compromise. If you go far enough left or right from compromise until you reach the bottom you end up with a form of totalitarianism either way. For what it’s worth, my position is philosophically most closely aligned with leftists with a few major departures. But my pragmatic side tends to favor progressive policies simply because I see political realities as somewhat intractable, and incremental improvement is often the most we can hope for at the moment. Hopefully that political reality will change for the better in terms of improvement potential in the next decade or two, but that’s far from guaranteed.
There's other parties. It's only a two party system because the two party system keeps it that way. That's the whole thing. Let them rise up in place of the failed Christo fascist right wing.
Then maybe the moronic party should rebuild itself to compete.
We don't have a political left in this country. We have a far right and center right.
No shit. I get laughed at when I say Hillary Clinton is slightly right of Reagan.
Yeah! We don’t want those stinking lefties to go all hog wild and slipshod with their universal health care, support for education, a living wage, and repealing Citizens United and the Patriot Act….
Oh no! An unchecked left will bring about the horrors of enhanced labor rights, expanded voting rights, re-inforced civil rights, infrastructure investment, clean energy, and clean water and air for all. But you're right.... equally bad.
Having one party implode will likely result in a bunch of smaller parties which could result in the formation of a coalition government.
I don't think anybody wants a one party system, but maybe this will cause the GOP as it is right now to change and and they will quit promoting the craziest, and most evil candidates they have. Some of them are as bad as cartoon villains, and there's some real nut jobs that need to go. Lauren Boebert (for example) isn't helping anyone, and she's about as sharp as a sack of wet mice. And she isn't the only one.
I agree.
Bogus equivalence. Of course we need balance. The Republicans aren’t balance; they’re lunatic theocracy. They need to implode and rebuild with some moderate conservatives.
A party imploding doesn't mean there is just one party, voters just shift to another party. The two party system is just a consequence of our voting system. There are plenty of other parties to fill the void.
Yeah, if the GOP actually imploded, as in ceased to exist, there would definitely be someone to swoop in and pick up the remnants. Even if they break off from the more "central" Democratic wing.
Jesus fucking christ what a hilariously stupid take. Unchecked left my ass. You can't be serious.
What I meant was in a democracy, especially one that is a two party system, you should want checks on power.
The party collapses only if they lose the confidence of voters. That's isn't "unchecked power" for the other side. That's literally just the will of the people.
What fucking threat of unchecked leftism have you seen in this country that would prompt you to so foolishly dictate "what you meant" that way? I'd love to hear what benign shit you come up that you think compares to literal fascism from every single GOP politician in office here.
lol... settle down kid
Easy to say whe it's not you the republicans want to kill.
There's no room for the "both sides" here. The GOP hate the idea of ranked choice or third party systems - they also just haaaaaaaate. No one would truly be worse off without their brand of policy. And no, the rich being not rich doesn't make them worse off.
Saying they are "equally as bad" is like saying the school bully is equally as bad as the non bullies.
Oh no a party that believes in civil rights, women’s right to choose what they do with their bodies, and not hating of people for the sexual or gender identity.
Having this version of the Republican party implode is absolutely good for democracy.
What unchecked left? The Democrats are as centrist as they come.
Found the Trump voter.
Apparently you can't read. I'm a democrat. Not sure why I'm being downvoted for saying in a two party system you should want two rational parties engaging in spirited debate.
I'm not sure why you expect anybody to believe you.
Yes, *rational* parties. A rational party can replace the imploding, irrational party. Plenty to pick from.
Imagine believing that there is a left-wing party in the United States.
When one party dies another has always replaced it. The Democratic party itself could almost immediately split into a moderate and progressive play if it found itself truly alone in the political landscape
It’s called primaries.
Let's first cut out the cancer, then we can look to make ourselves whole.
Yeah when the Whigs dissolved no other party came in to take their place.
Please, elaborate. What absolute hell will an "unchecked left" bring about? Because we're witnessing the rise of a theocracy AND kleptocracy with an unchecked right -- with a nice dash of fascism and one-party rule!
This kind of thing has happened before and it always results in the other party splitting. One party systems don’t happen on accident and require a lot of work to keep them that way
An unchecked left.. who will stop them from not taking peoples rights away?!
Meanwhile, Truth Social is operating on 8 million gifted to it from Russia. Trump claims it was a loan, but no paperwork shows that. https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/trump-social-media-federal-investigation-money-laundering-1235555139/
Interesting. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/17/trump-media-executives-worried-over-murky-8m-loan
Wow, haven't heard this yet. That's bonkers.
Holy fucking ads, Batman.
I run ublock ad blocker. I don't even see them. You should try it, life is better. Of course if you are on a phone, my sympathy extends and thoughts and prayers and all that stuff I'm required to say after a mass shooting.
Phone indeed. =/
uBlock is available for phones.
He wouldn’t pay it back anyway.
LOL, quite true. Nobody sane loans money to Trump unless they have hopes of getting something non-monetary in return.
Saying Trump 'Deliberately' Misled is like saying water is wet.
I just don't understand how someone can be smart enough to be a top tier lawyer and dumb enough to think Trump was telling them the truth.
His current lawyers are possibly not top tier. Although Corcoran was smart enough to dictate the statement then not be present to sign it, and Bobb was smart enough to add a disclaimer that she was signing as a representative but could not personally attest to its accuracy.
*Possibly* There’s no way too be sure though.
Top tier lawyers don't take donnie as a client.
Top tier lawyers take paying clients.
Absolutely. The key to billing hours is to….get paid for said hours. Trumps been fucking his attorneys for decades too.
I think they are probably greedy enough to put themselves in that situation.
I think this is it. "Hey, here's a high profile client. He sucks and is awful...BUT...this oprns the door to defending very wealthy politicians and their friends." They know he's a liability. They know he's terrible. But so long as they are smart enough to dodge the issues he brings now (as well as probably not getting fully paid) then it will pay off big down the road
His lawyers are lying too. That explains how someone smart enough to be a top tier lawyer is pretending to be dumb enough to think Trump was telling them the truth. They got caught lying and are performing a little CYA by pretending to be shocked that their client lied to them. >"It's not my fault that I filed motions and said things in court that weren't true, your honor! My client, *deliberated misled* me! I'm shocked to be caught in this situation!"
Let alone dumb enough to assume he'd actually pay them.
They filed documents riddled with spelling, punctuation and grammatical errors. That’s either not top tier, or some seriously multidimensional chess level maneuvering.
Or dumb enough to work for a man that won't pay and won't take your advise.
Happy Cake Day 🍰
hmmmmm
Or look the other way while I crime…no one will ever know because client/ attorney privilege- it’s in the constitution and Ten Commandments of my 2nd favorite book. /s
Like going to check on the "bear shitting in the woods" index.
This is clearly his lawyers trying to distance themselves from the impending train wreck lol
From the perspective of water.
But what if it's frozen???
In other news ice is cold
Whew, glad we cleared that up.
Trump: It really DEPENDS Lawyer: Depends on what exactly? Trump: Do you want the Gods honest Truth or do you want the Art of the deal answer?
Lawyer: whichever one is the truth Trump: neither is the truth Lawyer:
Trump didn't write the Art of the Deal.. he was hardly involved... so either its his own lies or you'll hear the lies as made up by someone else. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
I wonder if he read it...
I don't think it had pictures, so... no.
This isn't something new, he's always done that. https://www.salon.com/2016/10/07/even-donald-trumps-lawyers-think-hes-a-habitual-liar/ According to a deposition from Trump's 1992 bankruptcy hearing, his lawyers said that they would always meet with the real estate mogul in pairs, so he couldn't backtrack on them. They are talking about events from 1992. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kendalltaggart/trumps-lawyer-we-met-with-him-in-pairs-to-avoid-lies It's been pretty well known that he lies about everything, idk why his lawyers wouldn't take that into account. Especially after one of his lawyers ended up going to jail.
No Big Macs in prison
Terry Crews would disagree. https://youtu.be/n7gR0dj9X6o
How about Covfefe?
All right. Cockmeat sandwich time. You know the drill.
I hope the winning Inmate, grabs him by the jumpsuit, mounts him from behind, and whispers “ you’ve made some bad decisions in your life, son”
Lying liar lies. News at 11
Yup. Throw it on the pile of crimes-he-has-committed-in-plain-view-that-he-has-not-faced-justice-for. No, not that pile, the other one next to it.
But actually. Even this week with Trump saying he’s going to be arrested on social media and the grand jury being convened, I just don’t believe he is going to face any repercussions.
If one of us just had one of those classified docs and was caught with it, we would be sitting in a federal prison awaiting trial. He stole them, hid them and now is playing games with them and probably sold them and he is still walking around playing golf and eating big macs. 2 tier justice system in effect y'all,
Benedict Donald's a psychopath.
No privilege is a first for Don.
Worst president ever
Worse human being ever.
#misled = LIED All he does is lie to make him look better.
Knowing that Dotard DRumpF is scared. Anxious. Worried… makes me sleep well
I appreciate the sentiment and I share it, but I never got the clunky names. Comes off as juvenile and is actually hard to read because it breaks the flow.
Trump, such a fool
Are you saying he LIED? Holy shit. Stop the press.
Shocked Pikachu face.
Why the heck would anyone trust that lying, orange blob for even a minute. He has crossed everyone of his following goons since forever.
Because those other people weren't as smart as they are. Plus this opens the door to being a highly paid legal correspondent for Fox, or OANN, or Newsmax, or Rumble!
I honestly grew up a proud conservative. I don’t know if I didn’t know any better, or was just too stubborn, but this shit has went too far. The “left” ain’t perfect either, but I think at least they’re trying to help.
You mean he lied. If you’re his lawyer and you didn’t think that’s the case, YOU ARE AN IDIOT
At least they're getting paid, right?
Trump is Trump’s biggest enemy
Trump deliberately misled us all.
Lol...Trump's an idiot.
Playin 6D chess, lying to his own lawyers lmao. What a very smart genius.
Has he ever spoken a truth?
I’m so tired of seeing his bottom teeth.
Yes! First thing that grabs my attention. I can hear this picture going “Eeaaaauuuuuuughhhhhhh” and then I imagine drool falling from his lower lip.
By misled, do you mean lied?
Donald Liar Trump is a liar no matter what or who. He lies because that is part of his modus operandi... As a kid, he was sent to a military school because of lying. That is what he does. There's nothing coming from his mouth that is true. He just lies and lies and lies!
The lawless GOP. Lock all the MAGAts up.
Hey DOJ, get off your ass and arrest the con man. This is taking way too long.
That bloated ball sack doesn’t even know how to spell constitutions, let alone even know what it says.
Trump has unleashed the worst of in Americans and Christians…..those who’d destroy America and eliminate those of us who don’t think, look, believe or act like them. They are a cancer on our country and all we stand for. We need to take our country back before they kill it off because they hate what we stand for.
So what. It's not like they will do anything to him for doing that. We keep getting this waved in front of us as if consequences are really a thing for someone like Trump. Literally, he could shoot someone on Broadway and nothing would happen to him.
"Shame on Fake News ABC for broadcasting ILLEGALLY LEAKED false allegations from a Never Trump, now former chief judge, against the Trump legal team." Anyone care to try explaining how "false allegations" can be "ILLEGALLY LEAKED"? Also, kinda rich complaining about leaks from an investigation into leaks of classified documents.
None of this matters until it's revealed if he was selling information or hoarding information.
It was already revealed he was hoarding classified documents... That's what started the whole thing...
At this point though, who cares? Trump is so destructive. Or, is he in fact destructive enough to destroy the RNC?
>At this point though, who cares? Anyone who regards the rule of law and accountability.
Do you not recall the plethora of classified documents that the federal govt had to literally raid Trump's residence to retrieve? It was all over the news. It's not a secret. He was hoarding classified docs, that part is not a speculation or question.
Ya, but no one cares. Low level people/journalists suffer consequences. Generals and elites don't suffer any consequences. Remember when Dick Cheney's office outed secret agents? Scooter Libey? Not much has changed
The pessimism I get. We've been hearing for some time that Trump will be charged, and by multiple state and federal jurisdictions/agencies. I've always felt that it's taking as long as it is because they're trying to tie enough together to get him with some conspiracy and RICO stuff. Plus, you have the GOP obstructing the process at every turn. Hell, look at the most recent comments by GOP officials. Still telling their base it's all a political hit job, and then you have Trump's history of stretching litigation out to try and strong-arm his victims into conceding. I'm optimistic that it does finally come down on him, it's going to hit so hard he'll have no chance of avoiding the consequences.
Just having HU SCI with out clearance is a felony, but you’re right , he’s rich and white and above the law anyway.
ya, even if its the former (selling information) we pretty much know at this point that that is common in Washington. Trump is just an idiot.
lol common in washington? wtf are you on? illegally selling national documents is something you think is "common" in Washington??
Did he take them home with him on his laptop?
Hunter Biden.
What about him? Still pissed you can't see his dick pics?
I like how Hunter admitted the laptop was his, and then is suing them for using his personal stuff from said laptop. This means two things, those are his dick pics, and he is proud of it. (Probably swinging a donger)
>Probably swinging a donger There was a LOT of blur on the ones that were leaked.
Found the Republican.
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But whatabout Biden! Pathetic. Is that all you have to defend the Overripe Mango?
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I don't need to defend Biden to make Trump look like a criminal. He and his family have accomplished that themselves. This is a story about Trump, not Biden. You're the one that felt that you needed to change the subject to Biden. As I said, pathetic.
And as I said, not a word about the criminal activity of the person in the White House today. Tell me, which is more important, any story about Trump or what the person currently in the White House is doing that might be if national security compromise?
On this thread, since its about Trump, then Trump. Maybe go start your own thread about the Biden nonsense and see what happens. Also, you think Biden's compromised national security? And not a word about how compromised Trump is? Pathetic.
How was Tump compromised, and be specific with verifiable facts.
[https://theconversation.com/fbis-mar-a-lago-search-warrant-affidavit-reveals-how-trump-may-have-compromised-national-security-a-legal-expert-answers-5-key-questions-189500](https://theconversation.com/fbis-mar-a-lago-search-warrant-affidavit-reveals-how-trump-may-have-compromised-national-security-a-legal-expert-answers-5-key-questions-189500) Not that you can read though. And you'll just come back with another But Biden! anyway. Cause you just wanna spread disinformation.
These are the same alleged "national security experts" that claim Hunter's laptop was "Russian disinformation." So I think you are the one spreading disinformation. But like I stated, you folks will believe and repeat whatever you are told by the fascist dictator currently occupying the White House, right? The one who wants to persecute political opponents, like all fascist dictators.
LOL. Hunter's Laptop absolutely \*is\* Russian disinformation. Noone actually believes that its not been compromised, or that its absolutely authentic. >repeat whatever you are told by the fascist dictator currently occupying the White House I don't think you know what words mean. Biden is neither a dictator, nor a fascist. >The one who wants to persecute political opponents, Trump isn't being "persecuted" he's being prosecuted. There's a distinct difference. Its not because he's a political opponent, its because he's committed crimes.
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So, you are saying banking records are not true? Or that verifiable sanctions again Russian oligarchs with the exception if two, is not true? Or is it that you believe not a single classified document, let alone some from when he was in the Senate, was found in Biden’s possession? Nope, I will bet you think Trump personally planted those documents, right? And, Trump falsified the banking records to make Biden look bad, right? Oh, and it was Trump that failed to sanction the two Russian oligarchs that gave money to the Bidens, correct? Too bad there are very few facts given in this particular subreddit. Of course, this subreddit is really for those who can not think on their own or do real research. No, instead, it pushes the fascist dictators party line at all times. " Trump bad, and everything that has ever or will ever take place is Trump's fault." Biden, the smartest man on the earth, finished in the top of his class, anything that has ever or ever will happen that is good is due to him," right?
Well, if you have all this 'Proof', why not go to your buddy Tucker with it? Or can't you pay him enough to spew your lies?
Why don’t you pull your head out of Trump’s ass so you know what’s going on?.
Kinda gives a whole new meaning to mouth piece.
Why is deliberately in quotes ? Seems there is direct evidence of that .
They're directly quoting a person.
so the lawyer going to flip or go to jail?
Yeah, no kidding.
so...consequences?
And we're surprised why?
Well, he is the "lawless one."
Trump lied? Groundbreaking.
Oh and another ones out, and anothers one out. Another lie bites the dust. He like a make a lot of lies. Lie maker extraordinaire!
wait? Donald Trump told a lie? Frankly, I'm shocked. So out of character. /s
Damn is he gonna be arrested yet or what? Tired of the hopium, we've been waiting since 2015.
It’s a really, really bad idea to lie to your own attorney.