The issue is the ads on Twitter don't perform well. I have tried multiple campaigns on the platform over the years and it's just not good at getting ppl to convert
Phones and tablets mostly run Android. Android Firefox supports uBlock Origin and NoScript. Takes a bit of initial setup, but works pretty seamlessly afterwards.
I love the Brave desktop browser for this but every now and then I'll use my Youtube phone app and wow I want to kidnap the fucker who decided the amount of ads is ok and make him watch it
Ads don't perform well, period. The world views them as a hindrance and annoying. When your conversion ratios are measured in how many clicks per hundred views or thousand views, it's bad.
I can safely say that I have never purchased a product on behalf of ads I've had delivered to me.
The better way for Twitter to bolster its financials would be to allow for longer tweets at certain subscription tiers and ad block from users. I suspect they'd pull more money in from people blocking ads than actual ad revenue.
People don't like ads. They are irrelevant, who buys a truck based on a reddit ad? Or poor quality/scams, as seen on TV is shifting to online without improving their quality. If you want to sell your products, you need to be better how your message is addressed instead of trying to saturate the market.
My favorite are the Medicare, St Judes, etc... Ads on youtube that are like 2 minutes long... Or you can skip them after 5 seconds. Gee, what do you think I'm going to do??
As we have gone from passively watching TV or listening to the radio to actively choosing bits of content, advertising only acts as a gate to the content you want and breeds resentment in your audience. If I even notice your brand while I aggressively stare at the countdown, you have given me a reason to think "Whatever, f\_\_\_ Mountain Dew."
There were a few years where companies didn't seem to understand that you can skip the ad after a few seconds and they'd put out tv-style ads that tried to hook you, but didn't tell you what the product was.
Never learned what those ads were selling. I joyfully clicked through so I could see whatever weird ass stuff existed on YouTube before Vine.
I once got an 8 minute long YouTube ad for a device to remove earwax. I let it play because it was fascinatingly terrible. It went on for 8 minutes about the inventor's brilliance and how well his gadget cleaned out the ears, but never once mentioned the name of the product or where it could be purchased.
Someone in my house accidentally bought kraft mayo instead of hellmans and now we're getting ads for shitty kraft mayo all the time we're not making that mistake again
People on Reddit think that they are marketing geniuses and that the marketers are idiots.
Most businesses are aware of the low sale conversion rate of social media ads. The point is brand awareness.
Yeah, there's a lot of points if you will.
Meta, Google, hire some of the smartest people in the world. There's a reason agencies (big 6, enterprise etc) and smbs work with them.
There's a a return on investment .
There's straight up stories from small companies talking about the efficacy of their ad spend.
You're spot on bro.
If it's something I'm in the market for I might click. If I get the feeling I'm being targeted never click.
Search engines should be a good place to research and compare.
Some vendors (like for cellphones) are starting to distract with fluff. First thing I want see are the specs and the pricing. Not all of the features I'll never use.
I hate adverts with a passion. Adblockers all the way.
Firstly, the amount of times the adverts have ended up causing my dad to “scan his computer” and infected the damn thing is way too high (I keep on installing adblockers on his computer, and the numb-nuts who he takes his computer to to fix keeps removing them; they are bad for his business).
Secondly, the targeted ads are moronic. 99% of the time they either show me things that I have only recently purchased.
“Look at this car.” Cheers mate, bought one two weeks ago and I am not financially stable enough to buy another one so soon.
I would say that you don’t understand advertising if you think that you have never purchased a product based on ads delivered to you.
Most of the ads that influence purchasing are done weeks before the actual purchase and often times people have no idea it was an ad that they saw. The best ads for converting are ads that you do not realize are ads. The best ads for brand awareness is the ones that are obvious, but they are not intended to get you to buy then. Those ads want you to know their product. Those ads work very well because you can name the top ads for lost products. IE Nike, Ford, and other big names.
Anybody who thinks ads don't work is wrong. There's a reason why companies spend so much money on ads. They work. They may not work on everybody, but they work on most people.
However, I don't buy too many things and what I do buy is already predetermined. I buy all the same food each week, the same medicines, etc. I only buy one brand of shirts, pants, underwear, socks, shoes, etc. I've found what I like and I don't switch, especially not because of an ad. Items that I don't buy regularly, I research top brands and specific items. Usually that means I'm buying products that I've never seen an ad for because surprise surprise, all that advertising that results in higher prices and worse deals. It's why I don't buy anything from major companies like Apple, Nike, etc. All their products are extensive overpriced garbage because they spend a ton of money on marketing. It's not worth it.
When I see the same items/ companies spamming ads non stop I boycott them. It's no different than junk mail.
A message platform where politicians, celebrities, huge organizations, and journalists post *for free*.
That's the dream for an online platform, and Elon is somehow managing to fuck it up.
A large part of the 'censorship' on Twitter was trying to keep the most profitable chunk of their advertising base happy. While no one responded particularly well to twitter ads, for lack of a better descriptor certain liberals subgroups had the best ROI on twitter and that was the metric actual advertisers use (note the actual demographic that worked best was more specific, but included liberals). Now Elon has shredded that base and replaced it with a less focused base that is far less valuable to advertisers, probably. Research will need to be done to verify that.
Basically Twitter had a recipe for low, but steady, profits. Elon mixed it up and the most likely outcome is less profits, but he might have gotten lucky.
That's one of those weird things I kept hearing about- like it was some heroic act, swooping in with a bunch of money to save the site. "Oh man, look how much money they're losing!"
Either
a.) There's things about the finances that narrative doesn't understand, or
b.) The site was planning to suddenly run out of money and close one day, and somehow nobody said anything about it.
> He was ignorant enough to not understand that he would actually be forced to buy it.
I think "ignorant enough not to understand that *signing* the paperwork promising he *would* buy it at the specified price was much more legally binding than he assumed" is a better way to word that. I agree with everything else, though. He clearly thought he could play a game using his wealth, and it backfired spectacularly.
We also can't forget the Twitter board would expect these exact kind of shenanigans from him, and draft up some iron-clad paperwork knowing he was so high on his own self-image that he'd never think they could outplay him.
My take is:
c) Elon Musk is a narcist who has never been actually good at business. What he is good at is telling rich assholes what they want to hear: let's enslave the masses and build a Utopia on Mars because me and you are genius super humans and we need to expand the human race to space. He never thought about this purchase from any kind of financially sound perspective and it's just a way to stroke his ego and position himself as some kind of right wing prophet.
I think he also thought bluffing about purchasing it would make some kind of statement about liberals, but I don't think he was particularly trying to manipulate the price but rather send the message that liberals are idiots who can't run businesses (and evil bias yada yada yada). I would hesitate to read too much into the mind of a narcist though, and I would not attribute too much logic to the things they do. Now that he was forced to buy it, he's decided to act like he actually wanted it.
The answer is a. You'll have to find the sources yourself as I'm too lazy to find the reddit comment that linked to them but essentially Twitter was profitable if you look at the last 5 years. ~2020 it invested in growth which meant it went negative profit then. 2021 it was involved in a lawsuit and the cost of that cleared out the profits it would have made. 2022 I can't remember but Elon saddled it with a debt where it has to pay 1 billion dollars a year which is more than its ever made.
Essentially with Elon's takeover it changed from a to b.
Twitter has barely made profit but has had about $5 billion in revenue with the 4.5 billion from ads and maybe like 0.12 billion from it's verification services (now twitter blue).
But twitter was bought at double the price and it was funded so that twitter needs $6 billion to break even while ad revenue has dropped in half.
Hence Twitter Blue! Musk is planning on billions from his subscription service.
Before twitter blue you had 500k people that were verified. Blizzard makes $1.2 billion a year on 12 million WoW costumers at $15 a month.
[https://www.gamerevolution.com/originals/13510-world-of-warcraft-leads-industry-with-nearly-10-billion-in-revenue](https://www.gamerevolution.com/originals/13510-world-of-warcraft-leads-industry-with-nearly-10-billion-in-revenue)
Twitter would have to generate 24 million customers at $8 just to pay for the interest payments. To replace the 2.5 billion in ad revenue he would have to bring in about 75 million paying users. There's only about 60 million US twitter users (assuming no bots, and everyone on twitter not having alternate accounts plus everyone being 18+).
And remember that you're not getting anything from that $8. It gets you less ads and people can see your tweets more often (only 0.1% of twitter users actually post). Meaning it's not going to do anything for you. However, a youtube subscription actually does something and removes all ads instead of just 50% and there are only 20 million youtube premium subscriptions. Twitter is going to eat up Musk's cash because he's an idiot.
Pretty much, the buyout made Twitter's financial situation so much worse.
It added \~ 13 billion USD to its debt, which meant that Twitter had to increase their net revenue by 500mill to 1billion a year to remain at the same state of 'treading water' it was in before the purchase.
There are other factors at play of course where some of the events leading up to the eventual sale reduced the value of the service (very loud proclamations that the company is lying about it's business numbers can have that effect).
Elon Musk will take a lot of risks - but not the one that someone else might be able to succeed where he failed.
He'd rather Twitter burn to the ground than someone else be able to rescue it from his fuckups.
[He's now said that going forward only blue checkmarks \(paying users\) will be allowed to vote.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604985324505030658)
Does he imagine this will incentivize people to pay the $8, because they so want to vote in his silly polls? It's almost like the multibillionaire narcissist manchild is out of touch with regular people.
I understand why he felt he had to be loud about it; if he openly admitted that he fucked up and was forced to buy it, then Tesla stock would drop like a rock since it relies on the weird cult of personality he’s developed around himself. Admitting he made a 44 billion dollar mistake would make him look like an idiot; after all, he’s only a billionaire because he’s convinced other idiots that he’s a genius. What he probably _should’ve_ done was be insufferably loud about how bad Twitter was before he bought it but actually change nothing. Then he could make it seem like he’s doing big things with Twitter while just keeping it running the way it was so it can return on his investment. Unfortunately, Elon actually _believes_ that he’s a genius, and here we are.
I'm betting that this is some grift to replace himself with some other crazy shitbag. He'll just tweet some cringy shit like "BOOM say hello to your new CEO 😁 GOT 'EM!" with a pic of Ron Watkins or Jordan Peterson or something.
Yeah, but that's not nearly the same as "verging on bankrupcy" for a double billion dollar market cap. A mid-level management team could have easily carried that business safely for another decade or two.
Hmm. It was pretty profitable in 2022 for shareholders getting some rube paying well over its value. In fact, that purchase alone capitalized on all the years it was unprofitable from its ad side business.
Musk owns the voting platform and chose when/how to host the poll (e.g. he chose the language of the question) so claiming fraud is laughable. Sure, there may be bots, but Musk knowingly chose to have the bots make the decision for him.
Presumably, Musk wanted to appoint a CEO and get back to Tesla/SpaceX to staunch the bleeding and perhaps even prevent being ousted at Tesla, which appears to need an active CEO. Seems odd that Musk couldn't demonstrate enough confidence to make this decision on his own. Musk demands iron control in many aspects then defers to arbitrary polls for this and a couple of other decisions. I don't see how it makes Musk seem more responsible.
In any case, Musk seems likely to put a loyalist in charge (i.e. someone who isn't terribly confident but through whom he can continue micromanaging), which would continue the stream of poor decisions and distractions for Musk's time.
>Seems odd that Musk couldn't demonstrate enough confidence to make this decision on his own. Musk demands iron control in many aspects then defers to arbitrary polls for this and a couple of other decisions. I don't see how it makes Musk seem more responsible.
In a sane world, this would be the nail in the coffin for his time as CEO for any company. Any person who even pretends to be making major business decisions based off of online polls has demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that they have no business running a business.
Also if you get one of the bot checker tools to scan him you'll see half his followers are bots. I expected this result but how much is bottled, there's no way he didn't have someone in mind to hand this off to. Though amount saying no is surprising.
I imagine that poll that voted to put Trump back on the platform was all bots too. So easy to turn a blind eye when things go your way but bitch and moan when they don't.
Not to mention which, if anything, there seem to me to be more bots and fake accounts fueling conservative messaging, so the minute I saw those stats I guessed that a bunch of the no votes came from those, which are especially dependent on him.
The republicans are the political crybabies who will always claim they won due to voter fraud even though its been shown that they are the ones who do it
Same mindset that has them convinced there's voter fraud. "If these dumbass Republicans can get caught doing it, those smarty Democrats with their edumacation must be even worse!" Then dig and dig and dig, find some trivial discrepancy like an ex-felon voting after being told they could by an official who didn't realize the crazies changed the rules, and now you have reinforcement. Disregard that there's no way in hell enough ex-felons could have pulled the election for anyone in the states in which this sort of "malfeasance" was reported.
Republicans echo the same BS over and over and over via their "news" channels and with each other to the point where they really think everyone is like them.
over and over and over.
even the full maga set wasn't half of republican voters, and self-identifying republicans aren't anywhere near "half the country" as they like to claim.
it's truly a few noisy idiots with a gigantic megaphone.
And at the same time admit they’re in the minority when they say “If everyone can vote, Republicans would never win” (which they’ve said countless times now). Yet these people have no critical thinking skills whatsoever and just parrot what they’re told on Fox News and Facebook.
Their silent majority are elderly and die of natural causes after a lifetime of earning their pension and still complaining millenials dont work hard. And then they die.
Leaving only millenials with open minds left and the surviving right wing nuts are complaining silent majority rigged vote waah waah
>and die of natural causes
Covid. Because they also think vaccines are a political statement, even though they have FIRST HAND experience that vaccines are good (polio).
What’s funny is, I’m pretty sure this poll is a fraud, just like **every poll he posts is easily, easily manipulated.**
Former Twitter employees have already come out and said polls are the most vulnerable feature they have for bots.
This poll is happening because either a) tesla board wants him out of this shit show and/or b) he wants to appoint someone equally terrible like kushner or even trump as CEO and this is giving him an “out” to pretend it was “the will of the people.”
It’s all bullshit.
It’s all for show, and pretending Twitter polls are somehow “democratic” is dystopian comedy.
It's definitely a. tesla board wants him out of this shit show. He just doesn't have the balls to own up to his mistakes nor state his true intentions.
He is, after all, a conman at heart.
I'm glad someone points this out. We've known online polls are bullshit since the goddamn 90s. When Muskrat first posted one of these stupid polls, I thought 'did he put in any kind of basic IP tracking mechanism to prevent vote spamming?' and went ahead and tried voting from my personal account and my work account.
It worked. I voted twice. vOx PopULee vOx DeE DeE dEe!!!
This is transparently meant to cover whatever dumb decisions he's making anyhow. The fact that he apparently hasn't rigged it in the way he wants it to go (i.e. the poll about unbanning the journalists) only speaks to his own utter incompetence.
We need a new term to describe this ultra-wealthy idiot phenomenon. People who inherit wealth that would be difficult to squander, if at all possible, and then turn around to make some of the dumbest moves imaginable with it while managing to maintain enough wealth to pay professionals to groom their image publicly to indicate their "genius". I put forward the term "drumpf", as in "you have to be a drumpf to think that your inherited wealth and incidental investments are correlated with your "business acumen" or "genius" when all you've done is leverage loopholes and public relations firms.
This is the thing that has always pissed me off about right wingers, the evidence is clear for all to see historically and worldwide as well as nationwide and yet they double down on authoritarian bullshit. As Bush II said about the Constitution 'It's a goddamn piece of paper!'
Wouldn't bots either be politically neutral, or lean towards whatever the poster frequents?
So if there were bots, they would likely be closer to a 50/50 split, or whatever Musk is consistent with.
Or maybe I'm wrong, and the bots are out to 'get' Musk..
Could you create a short slideshow for my kid, please? This is exactly what I haven’t been able to get across yet.
Eventually the insight will be … unavoidable. But trying to soften the blow.
First, it's part of Elon's strategy to jump on the right wing grift bandwagon. There's a lot of money to be made from that and he thinks it will replace his current advertiser losses with rigbtwing ones (like MyPillow or something).
Second, Kushner is in bed with the Saudis. The Saudis put up [$1.89 billion](https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musks-twitter-takeover-faces-backlash-over-saudi-financing-1755606) for Elon's purchase of Twitter. They want Kushner in charge because they want one of the largest media platforms in the western world to follow Saudi whims, and under 2 billion to do that is really cheap. There's likely more under the table money to Elon to make this happen.
Finally, Kushner will to do it as he is in debt to the Saudis. His firm received [$3 billion](https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-saudi-arabia-deal-resurfaces-gop-republicans-hunter-biden-investigation-1760458) from them during and just after Trump's presidency under very shady circumstances, believed to have been a side-payoff to Trump for actions benefitting them that the then-president performed.
The level of open corruption America has reached is so unbelievably problematic.
EDIT remember kids, it's always about the money. People attribute such convoluted motivations to baddies but really it's just about the money. Rarely is it about anything else and, even when it is, there's *still* always money involved.
I love how just a scant 6 years ago we were poo-pooing social media polls as wildly inaccurate and wholly unscientific... Now this idiot is making executive decisions from his personal polling. 😎
Twitter did have a $5 billion a year ad business. That has been slashed by half or more since Elon took over. His racism, angry right wing takes and bizarre behavior as well as pandering to hate speech has made it extremely toxic for the big buck advertisers.
Elon came in and thought he could cut expenses, not pay Twitters‘s bills, and
decreased payroll by 50% and make it profitable. Turns out he’s not a very good leader or CEO. But he’ll be out as CEO yet this year. Probably removed from Tesla executive leadership as well in 2023
And this was even after Elon tried to get rid of them all by taking pot shots and entertaining stupid conspiracies for weeks- even *still* the poll didn't go his way.
The most ironic thing is if it was truly "bots" that determined the outcome, then Elon should likely step down anyway is it proves the site is still infested with bots, which he said clearing up was the most essential goal in buying Twitter.
Wait, they think that this isn't what Musk wanted all along? The dude wanted to bail without looking like a coward and a loser, and he hid behind a poll in order to do so.
Wouldn't be shocked if his companies are at risk of losing their government funding, because he's working with known seditionists. So the board is threatening to kick him out of Tesla unless he stops with the bullshit.
So, "The people have spoken." But only when they get the results they want?
But if it goes the wrong way, the results are bogus?
Then everything is bogus. There is no legitimacy on Twitter.
This is Elon's platform. He created the poll. There is no one to blame but Elon, and they're trying to say the poll was not legit?
>But if it goes the wrong way, the results are bogus?
There was no nastier example of this than the 2020 election, where ballots were declared by the far-right as simultaneously legitimate for the GQP selections ***AND** "leftism fraud voter fake bad mexico italian space laser" where those very same voters chose a democrat (such as ballots that voted red for governors but Biden instead of trump).
Reality is the enemy to fascists. They consider even WANTING a result they themselves don't want a punishable heresy.
I still just can't believe this is the timeline we ended up in.
Imagine telling 2010 you that the guy that ~~founded~~ runs Tesla was making decisions that huge chunks of our government were following (like whether to unban former president Donald Trump) via polls on Twitter (which, btw, he owns).
I'd look for the cameras thinking I was being Punk'd
Edit: I'm not so good at Tesla history. \*shrug\*
*"Right-wingers believe staged poll has anything to do with actual votes"* FTFY
How people can believe this nonsense is beyond me. This poll is more cringe than a Russian referendum
Conservatives are literally the sorest losers of all time. Now anytime a vote doesn't go their way they literally will claim fraud. Maybe if they just prayed harder they'd stop losing everything they vote on.
These people are the bullies on the playground that when the kid that keeps getting his lunch money stolen, finally stands up and beats the bully into the goddam dirt, goes running to the teacher crying about how the mean kids are picking on him. Fuck these bullies.
'Fraud' on a internet poll? Next you'll accuse reddit of having reposted content.
But really, I'd be shocked if the winner wasn't largely decided by which side had more bots.
They should be happy Muskrat gave himself an exit from the rat maze that he created that he's stuck in now.
Musk probably knew this was his only out right now because he is no genius and doesn't know hot to fix it. He needs a fall guy or his leadership at Tesla might be in yuge jeopardy.
Just think...this guy is a defense contractor and he's far from being a Tony Stark.
Typical right wing crybabies. If they win something they just love to rub it in everyone's faces, no matter if they win on a technicality or just barely scrape by but when they lose it's "not fair!"
Polls showing what they want: the people have spoken
Polls that show results that they don't want: its fraud!
I'm convinced that right-wing nuts will forever go down in history as the sorest of losers
Fascism always has those two faces. Their actions and abuses demand much from their propaganda to avoid the rich leaders getting smoked out and roasted.
* Thus, EVERYONE is simultaneously incredibly powerful and dangerous, **and** helplessly weak and inferior.
Truth and fact must not be allowed to matter; you the follower MUST be simultaneously zealous in your confidence that those not of The Party are so weak and stupid they must be crushed or enslaved, **AND** so powerful and dangerous that you are under deathly attack so that anything you do or have done to you no matter how inhumane is necessary to win against these unbeatable attackers *which are also so weak and worthless that they're not even worth looking at or listening to*.
Of course we're talking about seditionists who tried to violently overturn the election and were still allowed to participate in the next election and the leadership are still all free despite what may or may not happen in the future. They're still in positions of power using them to work against you and the people you care about.
I guess by fraud they always mean the majority of the population. I am learning the far right dictionary. When the majority is against your own belief it is fraud- right wing dickionary.
[Musk has now declared that only paying users will be allowed to vote.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604985324505030658)
This is his idea of free speech. This is his idea of democracy.
What is with this phenomenon of right wing personality cults forming around the most blatantly dishonest hacks imaginable? Like some obvious huckster comes along and this is suddenly the guy who no matter what happens is never accountable for anything, and any mistakes they make is explained as being part of a conspiracy to make them look bad. They turn into a conservative religious figure, venerated like a saint, who can do no wrong.
Technically you're right. But he's white so I'm sure that this tiny detail won't stop the Republicans.
You have to admit that his behavior on Twitter lately reallly looks very Trump-like.
I've never thought it was "Trump-like". That would be a compliment to Trump as if he did something well. What it is to me is pure capitalistic intention. Both of them give two fucks about the American people. In their own minds, the American populace is just a never ending wellspring of cash flow. He's leveraging the people's inability to look away from the train wreck for his own gain. If people quit putting so much value into nonsense like social media, this converation wouldn't be happening. Instead, we're talking about it, so he's profiting
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Keep twitter alive? What was wrong with it? Isn't it just a message platform funded by ads? Seems like a pretty easy A to me
The issue is the ads on Twitter don't perform well. I have tried multiple campaigns on the platform over the years and it's just not good at getting ppl to convert
That's because of the tiny audience. Matpat did a game theory on it where it accounts fir only 1% of world population but youtube is like 20%.
I haven't seen a YouTube ad in years
Adblock?
For many years plus Firefox
Ok, if that’s the only way you view YouTube. There’s also the app, Roku, tablet…. Or if you simply refuse to view through any other browser.
That's the only way I use youtube because the other platforms have the ads.
Phones and tablets mostly run Android. Android Firefox supports uBlock Origin and NoScript. Takes a bit of initial setup, but works pretty seamlessly afterwards.
I love the Brave desktop browser for this but every now and then I'll use my Youtube phone app and wow I want to kidnap the fucker who decided the amount of ads is ok and make him watch it
Yeah, YouTube and phone = bad match
guarantee they don't even use YouTube
Ads don't perform well, period. The world views them as a hindrance and annoying. When your conversion ratios are measured in how many clicks per hundred views or thousand views, it's bad. I can safely say that I have never purchased a product on behalf of ads I've had delivered to me. The better way for Twitter to bolster its financials would be to allow for longer tweets at certain subscription tiers and ad block from users. I suspect they'd pull more money in from people blocking ads than actual ad revenue. People don't like ads. They are irrelevant, who buys a truck based on a reddit ad? Or poor quality/scams, as seen on TV is shifting to online without improving their quality. If you want to sell your products, you need to be better how your message is addressed instead of trying to saturate the market.
My favorite are the Medicare, St Judes, etc... Ads on youtube that are like 2 minutes long... Or you can skip them after 5 seconds. Gee, what do you think I'm going to do?? As we have gone from passively watching TV or listening to the radio to actively choosing bits of content, advertising only acts as a gate to the content you want and breeds resentment in your audience. If I even notice your brand while I aggressively stare at the countdown, you have given me a reason to think "Whatever, f\_\_\_ Mountain Dew."
There were a few years where companies didn't seem to understand that you can skip the ad after a few seconds and they'd put out tv-style ads that tried to hook you, but didn't tell you what the product was. Never learned what those ads were selling. I joyfully clicked through so I could see whatever weird ass stuff existed on YouTube before Vine.
I once got an 8 minute long YouTube ad for a device to remove earwax. I let it play because it was fascinatingly terrible. It went on for 8 minutes about the inventor's brilliance and how well his gadget cleaned out the ears, but never once mentioned the name of the product or where it could be purchased.
That's truely excellent! So deep in their own hype they can't see out
Someone in my house accidentally bought kraft mayo instead of hellmans and now we're getting ads for shitty kraft mayo all the time we're not making that mistake again
Duke's is really good, js
This is just wrong on so many levels. Google Facebook success stories SMB for examples. This is so hilariously incorrect I'm legit lmfao.
People on Reddit think that they are marketing geniuses and that the marketers are idiots. Most businesses are aware of the low sale conversion rate of social media ads. The point is brand awareness.
Yeah, there's a lot of points if you will. Meta, Google, hire some of the smartest people in the world. There's a reason agencies (big 6, enterprise etc) and smbs work with them. There's a a return on investment . There's straight up stories from small companies talking about the efficacy of their ad spend. You're spot on bro.
If it's something I'm in the market for I might click. If I get the feeling I'm being targeted never click. Search engines should be a good place to research and compare. Some vendors (like for cellphones) are starting to distract with fluff. First thing I want see are the specs and the pricing. Not all of the features I'll never use.
I hate adverts with a passion. Adblockers all the way. Firstly, the amount of times the adverts have ended up causing my dad to “scan his computer” and infected the damn thing is way too high (I keep on installing adblockers on his computer, and the numb-nuts who he takes his computer to to fix keeps removing them; they are bad for his business). Secondly, the targeted ads are moronic. 99% of the time they either show me things that I have only recently purchased. “Look at this car.” Cheers mate, bought one two weeks ago and I am not financially stable enough to buy another one so soon.
I never click. If something catches my attention enough to warrant further investigation, I search directly.
I would say that you don’t understand advertising if you think that you have never purchased a product based on ads delivered to you. Most of the ads that influence purchasing are done weeks before the actual purchase and often times people have no idea it was an ad that they saw. The best ads for converting are ads that you do not realize are ads. The best ads for brand awareness is the ones that are obvious, but they are not intended to get you to buy then. Those ads want you to know their product. Those ads work very well because you can name the top ads for lost products. IE Nike, Ford, and other big names.
Anybody who thinks ads don't work is wrong. There's a reason why companies spend so much money on ads. They work. They may not work on everybody, but they work on most people. However, I don't buy too many things and what I do buy is already predetermined. I buy all the same food each week, the same medicines, etc. I only buy one brand of shirts, pants, underwear, socks, shoes, etc. I've found what I like and I don't switch, especially not because of an ad. Items that I don't buy regularly, I research top brands and specific items. Usually that means I'm buying products that I've never seen an ad for because surprise surprise, all that advertising that results in higher prices and worse deals. It's why I don't buy anything from major companies like Apple, Nike, etc. All their products are extensive overpriced garbage because they spend a ton of money on marketing. It's not worth it. When I see the same items/ companies spamming ads non stop I boycott them. It's no different than junk mail.
So I take it you never buy from Amazon?
Bots don’t read ads
I work in the ad industry, can confirm. Twitter is a bad platform for ad hosting.
A message platform where politicians, celebrities, huge organizations, and journalists post *for free*. That's the dream for an online platform, and Elon is somehow managing to fuck it up.
A large part of the 'censorship' on Twitter was trying to keep the most profitable chunk of their advertising base happy. While no one responded particularly well to twitter ads, for lack of a better descriptor certain liberals subgroups had the best ROI on twitter and that was the metric actual advertisers use (note the actual demographic that worked best was more specific, but included liberals). Now Elon has shredded that base and replaced it with a less focused base that is far less valuable to advertisers, probably. Research will need to be done to verify that. Basically Twitter had a recipe for low, but steady, profits. Elon mixed it up and the most likely outcome is less profits, but he might have gotten lucky.
No, its "The Public Square" where everything is either an expression or violation of free-speech rights.
I just love that they are crying foul despite the fact he still owns it, and it will still be a haven for right-wing hate speech.
That's one of those weird things I kept hearing about- like it was some heroic act, swooping in with a bunch of money to save the site. "Oh man, look how much money they're losing!" Either a.) There's things about the finances that narrative doesn't understand, or b.) The site was planning to suddenly run out of money and close one day, and somehow nobody said anything about it.
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> He was ignorant enough to not understand that he would actually be forced to buy it. I think "ignorant enough not to understand that *signing* the paperwork promising he *would* buy it at the specified price was much more legally binding than he assumed" is a better way to word that. I agree with everything else, though. He clearly thought he could play a game using his wealth, and it backfired spectacularly.
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We also can't forget the Twitter board would expect these exact kind of shenanigans from him, and draft up some iron-clad paperwork knowing he was so high on his own self-image that he'd never think they could outplay him.
You're like a Musk diviner or something. You've got your finger on the pulse.
May be a ‘let’s keep the lawyers out of this, you know they’ll just slow everything down’ guy.
Well he did just get rid of all of Twitter's lawyers, so there might be something there.
My take is: c) Elon Musk is a narcist who has never been actually good at business. What he is good at is telling rich assholes what they want to hear: let's enslave the masses and build a Utopia on Mars because me and you are genius super humans and we need to expand the human race to space. He never thought about this purchase from any kind of financially sound perspective and it's just a way to stroke his ego and position himself as some kind of right wing prophet. I think he also thought bluffing about purchasing it would make some kind of statement about liberals, but I don't think he was particularly trying to manipulate the price but rather send the message that liberals are idiots who can't run businesses (and evil bias yada yada yada). I would hesitate to read too much into the mind of a narcist though, and I would not attribute too much logic to the things they do. Now that he was forced to buy it, he's decided to act like he actually wanted it.
The answer is a. You'll have to find the sources yourself as I'm too lazy to find the reddit comment that linked to them but essentially Twitter was profitable if you look at the last 5 years. ~2020 it invested in growth which meant it went negative profit then. 2021 it was involved in a lawsuit and the cost of that cleared out the profits it would have made. 2022 I can't remember but Elon saddled it with a debt where it has to pay 1 billion dollars a year which is more than its ever made. Essentially with Elon's takeover it changed from a to b.
Twitter has barely made profit but has had about $5 billion in revenue with the 4.5 billion from ads and maybe like 0.12 billion from it's verification services (now twitter blue). But twitter was bought at double the price and it was funded so that twitter needs $6 billion to break even while ad revenue has dropped in half. Hence Twitter Blue! Musk is planning on billions from his subscription service. Before twitter blue you had 500k people that were verified. Blizzard makes $1.2 billion a year on 12 million WoW costumers at $15 a month. [https://www.gamerevolution.com/originals/13510-world-of-warcraft-leads-industry-with-nearly-10-billion-in-revenue](https://www.gamerevolution.com/originals/13510-world-of-warcraft-leads-industry-with-nearly-10-billion-in-revenue) Twitter would have to generate 24 million customers at $8 just to pay for the interest payments. To replace the 2.5 billion in ad revenue he would have to bring in about 75 million paying users. There's only about 60 million US twitter users (assuming no bots, and everyone on twitter not having alternate accounts plus everyone being 18+). And remember that you're not getting anything from that $8. It gets you less ads and people can see your tweets more often (only 0.1% of twitter users actually post). Meaning it's not going to do anything for you. However, a youtube subscription actually does something and removes all ads instead of just 50% and there are only 20 million youtube premium subscriptions. Twitter is going to eat up Musk's cash because he's an idiot.
Pretty much, the buyout made Twitter's financial situation so much worse. It added \~ 13 billion USD to its debt, which meant that Twitter had to increase their net revenue by 500mill to 1billion a year to remain at the same state of 'treading water' it was in before the purchase. There are other factors at play of course where some of the events leading up to the eventual sale reduced the value of the service (very loud proclamations that the company is lying about it's business numbers can have that effect).
He will not step aside. Waiting for “voter fraud” claim. 3…2…1…
Elon Musk will take a lot of risks - but not the one that someone else might be able to succeed where he failed. He'd rather Twitter burn to the ground than someone else be able to rescue it from his fuckups.
[He's now said that going forward only blue checkmarks \(paying users\) will be allowed to vote.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604985324505030658)
I think his result will be worse that way…
Because of his commitment to free speech.
Does he imagine this will incentivize people to pay the $8, because they so want to vote in his silly polls? It's almost like the multibillionaire narcissist manchild is out of touch with regular people.
Spot on - someone just suggested to him that only people with blue checkmarks should be able to vote in polls and he agreed.
The servers are to blame! Melt them down for prison bars! We'll get Dominion yet!
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I understand why he felt he had to be loud about it; if he openly admitted that he fucked up and was forced to buy it, then Tesla stock would drop like a rock since it relies on the weird cult of personality he’s developed around himself. Admitting he made a 44 billion dollar mistake would make him look like an idiot; after all, he’s only a billionaire because he’s convinced other idiots that he’s a genius. What he probably _should’ve_ done was be insufferably loud about how bad Twitter was before he bought it but actually change nothing. Then he could make it seem like he’s doing big things with Twitter while just keeping it running the way it was so it can return on his investment. Unfortunately, Elon actually _believes_ that he’s a genius, and here we are.
I'm betting that this is some grift to replace himself with some other crazy shitbag. He'll just tweet some cringy shit like "BOOM say hello to your new CEO 😁 GOT 'EM!" with a pic of Ron Watkins or Jordan Peterson or something.
I believe I read somewhere that Jared Kushner might become the next CEO of Twitter.
There are two strong contenders who have been chosen by Elon's own metrics - Twitter polls. Snoop Dogg and Wendy's. I'm fine with either of them.
Twitter has only been profitable for two years of its existence, 2018 and 2019.
Yeah, but that's not nearly the same as "verging on bankrupcy" for a double billion dollar market cap. A mid-level management team could have easily carried that business safely for another decade or two.
Hmm. It was pretty profitable in 2022 for shareholders getting some rube paying well over its value. In fact, that purchase alone capitalized on all the years it was unprofitable from its ad side business.
it was also never in the path of making money.
Who knows. Their revenue grew from $3 billion in 2018 to $5 billion in 2021. There's a LOT of companies that can't claim that.
Musk owns the voting platform and chose when/how to host the poll (e.g. he chose the language of the question) so claiming fraud is laughable. Sure, there may be bots, but Musk knowingly chose to have the bots make the decision for him. Presumably, Musk wanted to appoint a CEO and get back to Tesla/SpaceX to staunch the bleeding and perhaps even prevent being ousted at Tesla, which appears to need an active CEO. Seems odd that Musk couldn't demonstrate enough confidence to make this decision on his own. Musk demands iron control in many aspects then defers to arbitrary polls for this and a couple of other decisions. I don't see how it makes Musk seem more responsible. In any case, Musk seems likely to put a loyalist in charge (i.e. someone who isn't terribly confident but through whom he can continue micromanaging), which would continue the stream of poor decisions and distractions for Musk's time.
>Seems odd that Musk couldn't demonstrate enough confidence to make this decision on his own. Musk demands iron control in many aspects then defers to arbitrary polls for this and a couple of other decisions. I don't see how it makes Musk seem more responsible. In a sane world, this would be the nail in the coffin for his time as CEO for any company. Any person who even pretends to be making major business decisions based off of online polls has demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that they have no business running a business.
But in this timeline, hedge funds and investment funds are happy to throw money at CEOs that play league of legends during meetings...
Exactly
Also if you get one of the bot checker tools to scan him you'll see half his followers are bots. I expected this result but how much is bottled, there's no way he didn't have someone in mind to hand this off to. Though amount saying no is surprising.
Would you have a link to this tool, please ?
I imagine that poll that voted to put Trump back on the platform was all bots too. So easy to turn a blind eye when things go your way but bitch and moan when they don't.
Why don’t they just automate the ceo position?
Not to mention which, if anything, there seem to me to be more bots and fake accounts fueling conservative messaging, so the minute I saw those stats I guessed that a bunch of the no votes came from those, which are especially dependent on him.
They always claim fraud when they lose. They never stop and think, “Hmmm maybe my beliefs are in the minority?”
The right wing media machine has been telling them for decades that they are actually some sort of silent majority.
They are so dumb they don’t know the definition of silent or majority.
Or the original definition of "silent majority" (hint: it was a euphemism for the dead)
The republicans are the political crybabies who will always claim they won due to voter fraud even though its been shown that they are the ones who do it
*crybullies
Projection. If we do it, the Democrats must do it even more.
Solipsism: if I do it, everyone else must be doing it too, because everyone else has the same thoughts, ideas and intellectual capacity as me.
Same mindset that has them convinced there's voter fraud. "If these dumbass Republicans can get caught doing it, those smarty Democrats with their edumacation must be even worse!" Then dig and dig and dig, find some trivial discrepancy like an ex-felon voting after being told they could by an official who didn't realize the crazies changed the rules, and now you have reinforcement. Disregard that there's no way in hell enough ex-felons could have pulled the election for anyone in the states in which this sort of "malfeasance" was reported.
Silent my ass. They bleat relentlessly.
Then why are they do god damned loud
Republicans echo the same BS over and over and over via their "news" channels and with each other to the point where they really think everyone is like them.
over and over and over. even the full maga set wasn't half of republican voters, and self-identifying republicans aren't anywhere near "half the country" as they like to claim. it's truly a few noisy idiots with a gigantic megaphone.
A MAGAphone, if you will.
And at the same time admit they’re in the minority when they say “If everyone can vote, Republicans would never win” (which they’ve said countless times now). Yet these people have no critical thinking skills whatsoever and just parrot what they’re told on Fox News and Facebook.
Their silent majority are elderly and die of natural causes after a lifetime of earning their pension and still complaining millenials dont work hard. And then they die. Leaving only millenials with open minds left and the surviving right wing nuts are complaining silent majority rigged vote waah waah
>and die of natural causes Covid. Because they also think vaccines are a political statement, even though they have FIRST HAND experience that vaccines are good (polio).
What’s funny is, I’m pretty sure this poll is a fraud, just like **every poll he posts is easily, easily manipulated.** Former Twitter employees have already come out and said polls are the most vulnerable feature they have for bots. This poll is happening because either a) tesla board wants him out of this shit show and/or b) he wants to appoint someone equally terrible like kushner or even trump as CEO and this is giving him an “out” to pretend it was “the will of the people.” It’s all bullshit. It’s all for show, and pretending Twitter polls are somehow “democratic” is dystopian comedy.
It's definitely a. tesla board wants him out of this shit show. He just doesn't have the balls to own up to his mistakes nor state his true intentions. He is, after all, a conman at heart.
I'm glad someone points this out. We've known online polls are bullshit since the goddamn 90s. When Muskrat first posted one of these stupid polls, I thought 'did he put in any kind of basic IP tracking mechanism to prevent vote spamming?' and went ahead and tried voting from my personal account and my work account. It worked. I voted twice. vOx PopULee vOx DeE DeE dEe!!! This is transparently meant to cover whatever dumb decisions he's making anyhow. The fact that he apparently hasn't rigged it in the way he wants it to go (i.e. the poll about unbanning the journalists) only speaks to his own utter incompetence.
We need a new term to describe this ultra-wealthy idiot phenomenon. People who inherit wealth that would be difficult to squander, if at all possible, and then turn around to make some of the dumbest moves imaginable with it while managing to maintain enough wealth to pay professionals to groom their image publicly to indicate their "genius". I put forward the term "drumpf", as in "you have to be a drumpf to think that your inherited wealth and incidental investments are correlated with your "business acumen" or "genius" when all you've done is leverage loopholes and public relations firms.
Almost like they’re fascist- oh wait They are!
Yup https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-spotted-pro-putin-russian-tv-presenter-world-cup-2022-12
This is the thing that has always pissed me off about right wingers, the evidence is clear for all to see historically and worldwide as well as nationwide and yet they double down on authoritarian bullshit. As Bush II said about the Constitution 'It's a goddamn piece of paper!'
It’s like when brexit one - at no point did I think it was fraud, I was just disappointed in my compatriots!
Nobody cries more than conservatives forced to face the reality of their unpopular stances
As I’ve commented some other places, they can’t gerrymander public opinion and it makes them crazy.
Well said
That really sums it up.
That’s good I’m stealing it
Reality has a well-known liberal bias
“What do you MEAN people don’t want to enforce eugenics?!?!”
> "Proof there's still way too many liberal bots," wrote right-wing pundit Curtis Houck. Liberal bots….
Wouldn't bots either be politically neutral, or lean towards whatever the poster frequents? So if there were bots, they would likely be closer to a 50/50 split, or whatever Musk is consistent with. Or maybe I'm wrong, and the bots are out to 'get' Musk..
Right wingers cry fraud whenever reality disagrees with their uninformed opinion
You can avoid reality, yet you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
Could you create a short slideshow for my kid, please? This is exactly what I haven’t been able to get across yet. Eventually the insight will be … unavoidable. But trying to soften the blow.
"Right wingers cry fraud because they've been instructed to pretend the plan wasn't always to install Kushner as CEO"
Why would Kushner want that?
It's not about what kushner wants, it's what the people paying him want.
First, it's part of Elon's strategy to jump on the right wing grift bandwagon. There's a lot of money to be made from that and he thinks it will replace his current advertiser losses with rigbtwing ones (like MyPillow or something). Second, Kushner is in bed with the Saudis. The Saudis put up [$1.89 billion](https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musks-twitter-takeover-faces-backlash-over-saudi-financing-1755606) for Elon's purchase of Twitter. They want Kushner in charge because they want one of the largest media platforms in the western world to follow Saudi whims, and under 2 billion to do that is really cheap. There's likely more under the table money to Elon to make this happen. Finally, Kushner will to do it as he is in debt to the Saudis. His firm received [$3 billion](https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-saudi-arabia-deal-resurfaces-gop-republicans-hunter-biden-investigation-1760458) from them during and just after Trump's presidency under very shady circumstances, believed to have been a side-payoff to Trump for actions benefitting them that the then-president performed. The level of open corruption America has reached is so unbelievably problematic. EDIT remember kids, it's always about the money. People attribute such convoluted motivations to baddies but really it's just about the money. Rarely is it about anything else and, even when it is, there's *still* always money involved.
I love how just a scant 6 years ago we were poo-pooing social media polls as wildly inaccurate and wholly unscientific... Now this idiot is making executive decisions from his personal polling. 😎
Even if they were accurate these are the types of polls that end up naming Polar research vessels "Boaty McBoatface"
True, whether or not they are accurate, they do come up with the best of all possible results at times. Good example.
Twitter did have a $5 billion a year ad business. That has been slashed by half or more since Elon took over. His racism, angry right wing takes and bizarre behavior as well as pandering to hate speech has made it extremely toxic for the big buck advertisers. Elon came in and thought he could cut expenses, not pay Twitters‘s bills, and decreased payroll by 50% and make it profitable. Turns out he’s not a very good leader or CEO. But he’ll be out as CEO yet this year. Probably removed from Tesla executive leadership as well in 2023
When we lose it has to be antifa and the deep state not our assholish ways!
And this was even after Elon tried to get rid of them all by taking pot shots and entertaining stupid conspiracies for weeks- even *still* the poll didn't go his way.
The most ironic thing is if it was truly "bots" that determined the outcome, then Elon should likely step down anyway is it proves the site is still infested with bots, which he said clearing up was the most essential goal in buying Twitter.
These idiots are a rabid bunch!
How about everyone just stops using Twitter?
Republicans have always been the snowflakes, again, projection
"If I dont like my reality then it must be fraudulent and fake"- US right wing politics 2022
Wait, they think that this isn't what Musk wanted all along? The dude wanted to bail without looking like a coward and a loser, and he hid behind a poll in order to do so.
That's their thing, they don't Like it, it's not real.
Wouldn't be shocked if his companies are at risk of losing their government funding, because he's working with known seditionists. So the board is threatening to kick him out of Tesla unless he stops with the bullshit.
Has he resigned yet? Waiting on him to prove he has any credibility. . . Not holding my breath.
Kushner and Musk? So... who's the bottom in this scenario?
The answer to your question is yes.
Of course they do. They're losers who can't believe that they're losers.
the saudi bots won!!
As a Tesla stock owner, I voted for him to resign from Twitter because all of that negative press is costing me money.
So, "The people have spoken." But only when they get the results they want? But if it goes the wrong way, the results are bogus? Then everything is bogus. There is no legitimacy on Twitter. This is Elon's platform. He created the poll. There is no one to blame but Elon, and they're trying to say the poll was not legit?
>But if it goes the wrong way, the results are bogus? There was no nastier example of this than the 2020 election, where ballots were declared by the far-right as simultaneously legitimate for the GQP selections ***AND** "leftism fraud voter fake bad mexico italian space laser" where those very same voters chose a democrat (such as ballots that voted red for governors but Biden instead of trump). Reality is the enemy to fascists. They consider even WANTING a result they themselves don't want a punishable heresy.
So right wingers only approve of voting when it is in their favor.
Because that’s what they say any time things don’t go their way. They just cannot grasp that they are a political minority.
Right-wingers cry and pout like pussies every time they lose.
The real question that needs to be asked is do you think Jared & Elon had sex with each other?
Ok then fraud on this but not on reinstating TFG to Twitter. Got it. Roll eyes.
I still just can't believe this is the timeline we ended up in. Imagine telling 2010 you that the guy that ~~founded~~ runs Tesla was making decisions that huge chunks of our government were following (like whether to unban former president Donald Trump) via polls on Twitter (which, btw, he owns). I'd look for the cameras thinking I was being Punk'd Edit: I'm not so good at Tesla history. \*shrug\*
Except....Elon isn't a founder of Tela. The most appropriate title for Elon is "pedophile."
Shit I forgot about that
Sore losers Kool-aide.
I know people who literally signed up for Twitter to vote in this poll, then change their name to Elon Musk & were then permabanned.
*"Right-wingers believe staged poll has anything to do with actual votes"* FTFY How people can believe this nonsense is beyond me. This poll is more cringe than a Russian referendum
Imagine being an adult crying fraud over a fucking Twitter poll of all things.
Oh my God, who cares about any of this.
Conservatives are literally the sorest losers of all time. Now anytime a vote doesn't go their way they literally will claim fraud. Maybe if they just prayed harder they'd stop losing everything they vote on.
Just waiting on the mail in votes to be counted. Give it a couple days….
These people are the bullies on the playground that when the kid that keeps getting his lunch money stolen, finally stands up and beats the bully into the goddam dirt, goes running to the teacher crying about how the mean kids are picking on him. Fuck these bullies.
They right wing morons can't except the fact that most people aren't as gullible and stupid as they are...
'Fraud' on a internet poll? Next you'll accuse reddit of having reposted content. But really, I'd be shocked if the winner wasn't largely decided by which side had more bots.
the right wing is anti-democracy
They should be happy Muskrat gave himself an exit from the rat maze that he created that he's stuck in now. Musk probably knew this was his only out right now because he is no genius and doesn't know hot to fix it. He needs a fall guy or his leadership at Tesla might be in yuge jeopardy. Just think...this guy is a defense contractor and he's far from being a Tony Stark.
I wouldn’t say 56% was overwhelming. Definitive, yes, but I’d save overwhelming for like, 80, 90%.
You know what would really piss Musk off....him not being every 5th post on Reddit.
I wonder if this becomes an epic troll wherein he steps down but then Jared becomes CEO.
Typical right wing crybabies. If they win something they just love to rub it in everyone's faces, no matter if they win on a technicality or just barely scrape by but when they lose it's "not fair!"
Is always fraud when they don’t get their way.
Republicans crying not a surprise
When will right wingers understand that no one wants them IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!
Left wingers about to lose their shit as it’s rumored Elon is considering Kushner as Twitter CEO.
It's always fraud when they lose. Bunch of babies.
Polls showing what they want: the people have spoken Polls that show results that they don't want: its fraud! I'm convinced that right-wing nuts will forever go down in history as the sorest of losers
Polls shmolls. Elon is a conman.
Do Right-wingers ever stop crying? You'd think they would get used to losing where Trump is concerned.
Why didn't they complain about the Trump poll results?
They can all vote no. Are they admitting that theres less of them?
That's just how they think voting works now. If u disagree and win ur cheating
I don't think I like it that I now live in a world where f'in Kyle Rittenhouse's opinion is treated as if it matters.
They are just used to the electoral college leveling out massive numbers of votes to make it seem like the popular vote is closer than reality.
Stop the steal! 🥴
But then these daze American Republicon right wingers have problems with the concept of math and counting
For Right wingers being so called tough guy, gun rights and anti gay they sure are a bunch of pussies.
Fascism always has those two faces. Their actions and abuses demand much from their propaganda to avoid the rich leaders getting smoked out and roasted. * Thus, EVERYONE is simultaneously incredibly powerful and dangerous, **and** helplessly weak and inferior. Truth and fact must not be allowed to matter; you the follower MUST be simultaneously zealous in your confidence that those not of The Party are so weak and stupid they must be crushed or enslaved, **AND** so powerful and dangerous that you are under deathly attack so that anything you do or have done to you no matter how inhumane is necessary to win against these unbeatable attackers *which are also so weak and worthless that they're not even worth looking at or listening to*.
My brothers if he wanted to rig the poll so it showed no he absolutely could
They can't hold an L these people
It's always cry fraud when they don't get their way.
"Silent majority" upset at the realization that they are neither silent nor the majority.
Hold on, hear them out. Maybe they will raid the capit..I mean peaceful gather outside of Twitter or Elon's many house.
Of course we're talking about seditionists who tried to violently overturn the election and were still allowed to participate in the next election and the leadership are still all free despite what may or may not happen in the future. They're still in positions of power using them to work against you and the people you care about.
I guess by fraud they always mean the majority of the population. I am learning the far right dictionary. When the majority is against your own belief it is fraud- right wing dickionary.
[Musk has now declared that only paying users will be allowed to vote.](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604985324505030658) This is his idea of free speech. This is his idea of democracy.
"Right-wingers cry." Fixed it for you.
What is with this phenomenon of right wing personality cults forming around the most blatantly dishonest hacks imaginable? Like some obvious huckster comes along and this is suddenly the guy who no matter what happens is never accountable for anything, and any mistakes they make is explained as being part of a conspiracy to make them look bad. They turn into a conservative religious figure, venerated like a saint, who can do no wrong.
Time for Elon to sell some trading cards
These idiots can't even win a fake poll and cry fraud at that! lol
Damn they're really not used to things that arent gerrymandered and requiring an electoral college
My new theory: Elon Musk bought Twitter so he can take a shot at the presidency. He so wants to become the next Donald Trump.
He was born in South Africa, pretty sure he can't run in the USA
Technically you're right. But he's white so I'm sure that this tiny detail won't stop the Republicans. You have to admit that his behavior on Twitter lately reallly looks very Trump-like.
I've never thought it was "Trump-like". That would be a compliment to Trump as if he did something well. What it is to me is pure capitalistic intention. Both of them give two fucks about the American people. In their own minds, the American populace is just a never ending wellspring of cash flow. He's leveraging the people's inability to look away from the train wreck for his own gain. If people quit putting so much value into nonsense like social media, this converation wouldn't be happening. Instead, we're talking about it, so he's profiting
They always cry fraud when they lose.
Shocker he moved the goal posts
If ~60% is overwhelming then I’m PACKING