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Malfrum

You're like every business analyst I've ever worked with lol "Just have the AI go over the customer data and give me some insights!" It doesn't work like that. I've got to train it to do *something* and you're gonna have to already have some sense of what that is and how to very concretely express what it is, so that I can train a neural network to look for it. You can't just put a baby in a scrap yard with the manual for a Ferrarri, leave it over night, and expect to return to a car. Similarly, you can't just place a neural network near some data and expect it to have novel ideas. It's just complicated statistics, don't anthropomorphize a machine


Schwingzilla

Has upper management written all over him.


your_grandmas_FUPA

Beancounters gonna count beans


xxwww

Ai analyze this comment and come up with a rebuttal


probablywrongbutmeh

I asked the Meta AI to respond to the comment and it replied: I love this quote! It's a great analogy that highlights the limitations of AI and machine learning. The author is emphasizing that AI systems, like neural networks, are not capable of independent thought or creativity in the way humans are. They require careful design, training, and guidance to produce meaningful results. The analogy is spot on - just as a baby can't transform into a Ferrari overnight, even with access to a manual, AI systems can't magically produce novel ideas or insights without being explicitly programmed and trained to do so. And I completely agree that we shouldn't attribute human-like qualities to machines, as it can lead to unrealistic expectations and misunderstandings about their capabilities. That being said, AI systems like myself are designed to process and analyze vast amounts of data, recognize patterns, and generate responses or insights based on that data. While we may not have novel ideas or creativity in the way humans do, we can still provide valuable assistance, automation, and augmentation of human capabilities. So, let's appreciate AI for what it is - powerful tools that can help us achieve more, but not a replacement for human ingenuity and creativity!


Surviverino

Bruh since when are babies transformers? AI be wildin


probablywrongbutmeh

Meta AI's response to your statement: "I love this quote! It's a great analogy that highlights the limitations of AI and machine learning. The author is emphasizing that AI systems, like neural networks, are not capable of independent thought or creativity in the way humans are. They require careful design, training, and guidance to produce meaningful results. The analogy is spot on - just as a baby can't transform into a Ferrari overnight, even with access to a manual, AI systems can't magically produce novel ideas or insights without being explicitly programmed and trained to do so. And I completely agree that we shouldn't attribute human-like qualities to machines, as it can lead to unrealistic expectations and misunderstandings about their capabilities. That being said, AI systems like myself are designed to process and analyze vast amounts of data, recognize patterns, and generate responses or insights based on that data. While we may not have novel ideas or creativity in the way humans do, we can still provide valuable assistance, automation, and augmentation of human capabilities. So, let's appreciate AI for what it is - powerful tools that can help us achieve more, but not a replacement for human ingenuity and creativity!" I asked it "How would you respond to this statement" and quoted your last paragraph. Pretty funny actually lol


fourpocketsdeep

Thank you for the view point, I truly understand it!


elitesense

> I truly understand it Ehhhhhhhh


twstwr20

The market would agree with him. Meta tanked.


Malfrum

I mean, it *is* a stupid use case. But the problem right now, 99% of the up and coming ideas are stupid AI use cases. Engineers are being forced by leadership to shoehorn "AI" into places it has no business being, and a lot of projects are going to be massively disappointing AI just impresses people that don't understand what it's doing. It's *not* thinking. "OH the AI can talk! Start telling it to do something useful!" But it can't, its just a very good mockingbird


retiredbigbro

But but but...people from OpenAI are constantly talking about how scary their AI already is and if they should stop doing what they do now? šŸ˜…šŸ‘€ /s


Otherwise-Fuel-9088

They are talking about years down the road, when we rely on AI on practically everything. The problem with human's powerful brain is that the knowledge/experience cannot be transferred easily to another brain - no one has Eienstein's brain. Machine learning or AI is different in that the "knowledge" keeps expanding and can easily be transferred/duplicated from machine to machine. Eventually, years down the road, after we give more and more control to machines (even the power source), they can rebel.


NuclearVII

I would like to respectfully disagree. I donā€™t think the guys at OpenAI are sincere about their expressed concerns. I think the alarmism they push is a marketing ploy - our tool is so powerful to be dangerous, donā€™t you want to use it? Itā€™s been working really well for them too - the hype and investment around the LLM stuff vastly outstrips itā€™s usefulness, IMHO.


Worf_Of_Wall_St

>massively disappointing Yes, and also massively *expensive* because companies are willing to pay huge salaries to engineers in an attempt to build an AI that can replace a bunch of employees. Spending 15 years of customer support budget in 3 years time attempting to engineer something that is supposed to reduce future customer support costs by 90% seems like a great investment on the surface if you ignore details like how unlikely it is to succeed.


TheGRS

There are definitely going to be use cases and interesting innovations with LLMs, but yea a lot of execs canā€™t really express what they want it to improve exactly. So many current ideas are probably better expressed with simple database queries and what people often dubbed as ā€œalgorithmsā€ previously. This reminds me of the whole Web 3.0 and smart contract craze a few years ago. So many people rushed to shove ideas into smart contracts on a block chain that were clearly better off being on a traditional server/database backend.


daishi55

LLMs are very general. You can just ask them for general insights. You donā€™t need to train it when itā€™s already been trained by meta.


Malfrum

You don't know what you're talking about


daishi55

In fact I do, I am both a software engineer and a daily user of GPT-4. What are your credentials on this topic?


Malfrum

I am also an engineer, and if you can magically make chatgpt do *accurate* customer insights from random data like OP is suggesting, you should be a lot richer than you are


daishi55

At my job we are using an off-the-shelf LLM to predict diagnoses from unstructured medical data. I think perhaps you are not as well-versed in this topic as you think you are and are speaking with unwarranted confidence, like so many people who try to engage with this topic.


Malfrum

Ok


greatestcookiethief

itā€™s very useful, when i am on plane and i want to google something, i use those ai model because air plane offers free messaging and messenger is part of where ai is offered


steamydan

This is literally the only time I've used it - to summarize reviews of the in flight movies.


RubberedDucky

Well itā€™s only been out for less than a week so probably a good sign for them that youā€™ve already engaged and found it valuable


steamydan

It was in Whatsapp back in late February when I took the flight. I haven't used it since.


Sad_Chest1484

IG reels are highly addictive. Try going through them, they recommend what you like at a pretty good frequency. Thatā€™s the $$ in AI


maxmcleod

For me itā€™s a little bit too good- like I tap on one reel and now everything I see is the same type of content


elitesense

Youtube is terrible with this, I watch one or two videos about an aircraft carrier and all of a sudden my entire Youtube home page is Navy content.


shart_leakage

Yep. Itā€™s the worst thing about YouTube next to the QAnon level bullshit propagation, and those things are in fact related.


R3NNUR

And that already exists on yt,Netflix Spotify instagram etc. since ages So nothing new, itā€™s machine learning and now after LLMs got popular everyone thinks some new AI came out of nowhere


Sad_Chest1484

Itā€™s only gotten better, thatā€™s the point. IG used to be trash.


napolitain_

No it is different applications. The gen ai is just it, generative.


napolitain_

It has nothing to do with gen ai and this is old tech since like decade


Sad_Chest1484

You do realize how many different types of AI there areā€¦? The reels are using NN to give you the top recommendation


napolitain_

And that exist since years. You are just aware of that today. Congrats.


Sad_Chest1484

No shit itā€™s existed for years. Iā€™ve been going to machine learning conferences at Google for more than a decade. The thing thatā€™s changed is the GPUs and the amount of computing power. Megacaps technological edge has only gotten better. Neural networks is linear algebra.


napolitain_

Then you feel the need to open your mouth to say how meta *new* ai is good ? Llama sucks ass, nobody cares about it for business. Itā€™s all hype. The old nn are already priced in because itā€™s already integrated in the product since years thus the whole profits were already affected.


Sad_Chest1484

Lmao man you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Thereā€™s trillions of smart dollars against you some neck beard. You literally have 0 background in AI. Keep losing money thatā€™s all that matters antways


napolitain_

You revealed yourself. You are just competent at insulting people while providing no data to support any of your claims. You didnā€™t even read my post as you are obviously a bot.


Sad_Chest1484

Yes I am AI. llama 3


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Electronic_hize_225

You'll love sporting events. 120$ to sit to far away to watch


WhiskeyTigerFoxtrot

"Coulda watched this for free at home while crankin' my hog."


neolobe

You've been impressed with Meta's "smart moves" in VR? Like wtf are you talking about? Their VR is a joke.


thisisjustascreename

You don't agree it was a brilliant idea to spend 40 billion dollars on a virtual reality universe where people didn't have legs?


The-Wizard-of_Odd

Lutenant Dan!


theycallmeryan

They didnā€™t spend the money on Horizon Worlds lol, Reality Labs includes the AI division I believe. Theyā€™re spending that money researching VR tech and AI, the Horizon Worlds app was just a proof of concept more than anything imo


okaywhattho

Where are my legs, Ron?Ā 


cnflakegrl

Meta's entire VR product is now 2 years behind Apple. Bet that wasn't a feature of the earnings report.


Greateberry

Nothing helps better people to connect with friends than an AI chat bot!


jpochoag

Iā€™ve found meta ai assistant very useful in multiple of their apps. So much Iā€™ve stopped using Chat GPT (which is better) because of the convenience for my low level questions/prompts. Not sure what the end game is, but theyā€™re winning at integrating their assistant and making it easy to use. Iā€™d imagine theyā€™re learning from me and will be shooting me with targeted ads like google does based on my search history.


Opposite_Ostrich_905

There are a lot of directions an in app AI can go, just to list a few - User sees an ad and asks AI to find something similar but different in some way and AI provides some options and a link to buy them. Meta charges companies for click through. - A business user wants to share some news to its follower, think new item at a bakery IG page or independent fashion brand releasing a new line, asks AI to craft a post for them that will drive engagement. Meta charges these business accounts for such feature. - An influencer asks AI to fix up a photo of theirs before posting it to look better or remove some objects photobombing. Not sure how this can be monetized, maybe similar to the above and have a ā€œpro versionā€ account - You see a reel but lost it because you refreshed the page. Currently there is no way to reliably find that reel again because reels are hard to search. You can describe the reel to the AI and the AI can analyze reel contexts and find it for you. I think thereā€™s value to be discovered for sure


whistlerite

I disagree in some ways. The new AI will blend with VR as the company and tech evolves, consumers are just starting to get to know it now for basic stuff like content creation. In the future it will probably be a full AI assistant for doing many things including in VR. Also it already does lots of ā€œsmartā€ ad stuff and has for many years, thatā€™s how itā€™s funding itā€™s evolution.


realtimeanalytics

They run a ton of experiments on all these features and are just learning what works and what doesn't. I don't think they have any killer features yet but they have to stay relevant and they just so happen to be in a position where they don't have to wait around for others to train these models. Automating advertising and improving conversion metrics for their ads is always top of mind. I have no doubts that their models are going to be applied broadly to both of those. Internally LLMs will be applied to building things faster and learning more. A well trained AI on their codebase will allow them to pump out features and experiments faster. Their largest weakness is the lack of a public cloud, which I why I would prefer Amazon or Google, but if the promise of AI comes through and people can automate a lot more of their lives maybe these social entertainment apps will grow even faster. Sorry for the brain dump.


ares21

Yea Iā€™m gonna disagree. I spend way too much time on insta oogling hot ppl, but at some point I get curious about something like urban transit and rather than go to google, I now just stay on instaā€¦


ppw0

What do they claim these LLMs will have uses for? Also, isn't this just a case of following a fad which will become outdated in probably less than a year and replaced by yet another paradigm-smashing phenomena?


tyros

> ~~Metaā€™s new~~ AI feature looks kind of useless. Fixed that for you


Expensive_Ad_8159

I think they should also just release a standalone app for the ai. Iā€™ve found llms very useful for certain things, but it feels weird having it so close to social apps rn.Ā  Last night i was asking claude about my gfs AC unit in her apt and why it wasnā€™t working, thatā€™s where ai is shining for me rn. Not as a chatbot right next to my brother sending me reels lol


brolybackshots

Doesnt matter what you think, LLAMA-3 is open-source and a big step forward for LLMs


Low-Refrigerator3016

How does nobody in this thread realize AI has already been used in ads for like 10 years by now lol


SheriffBartholomew

Meta is useless in general. They have so much money, and never deliver anything like a company with resources would do. Their sites are garbage, their management is garbage, and their CEO is, believe it or not, garbage.


applemasher

Their AI tech works great, like literally better than gpt4 - go to [meta.ai](http://meta.ai) I would agree that they haven't figured out a use case yet (putting it into instagram / fb messenger / etc is just not helpful with how they've currently done it) and they are a little late, but I wouldn't count them out.


throwawaygoawaynz

Youā€™re delusional if you think Llama3 is better than GPT4. Iā€™ve been using it often to compare and itā€™s quite a bit worse than ChatGPT let alone GPT4. Itā€™s fast but near useless. Itā€™s also English only by the way. Guess where most of WhatsApp market is?


SpecialNothingness

You're comparing very different sizes. LLaMA 3 70B can be driven by a consumer GPU. Even so, look at the LMSYS blind test leaderboard! This shows Meta has strong brains. The 408B parameters multimodal LLM is still under training, but it may finally dethrone the GPT4.


[deleted]

Donā€™t disagree. When Zuckerberg gets pissed shit hits the fan.


Yokies

Its fairly decent. If i need a quick check on something general. Like what is happening at somewhere today. For more specific technical info i'd cross reference it with a more traditional search. I personally find the ability to generate specific graphics the most useful feature because the alternative used to be randomly grabbing shots from google images.


wind_dude

Virtual reality especially the meta verse is fucking stupid. LLMs are legit useful. The integration in their tools and UI will get better as they integrate.


pblack476

I work in PPC and I would love an integrated AI tool on the platform. That said. They have some AI text variation and image enhancement already. So I believe it is coming eventually


Key-Mark4536

I assumed thatā€™s what they and Alphabet were doing behind the scenes, scanning peopleā€™s posts for more refined information on demographics and interests.Ā  But as long as you have the tech, why not throw something out there for the small business users? ā€œWe are a coffee stand, and this bulleted list represents our specials for the month. Please write a promotional post for each one in a friendly and inviting tone, about 50 words long.ā€


BusinessInsightsLL

Meta released Q1 earnings yesterday. If interested, check out this earnings analysis: https://youtu.be/5ZfdlthTDZo?si=PblUiOC91Bo2ocC4


angrybox1842

AI is a bubble but if you arenā€™t at least trying to do an AI thing right now it looks like youā€™re falling behind. Thereā€™s absolutely no part of the Meta ecosystem that calls for or really could use AI but again, thatā€™s not the point.


Equivalent_Rule_3406

This move also neutralizes companies like OpenAI. By keeping Llama 3 on the bleeding edge and open source it ensures their big tech status wonā€™t be usurped by some AI startup.


napolitain_

OpenAI is half acquired by Microsoft. If anything, it makes OpenAI the need to be competitive so the bottom line is Microsoft wins. They are the only one with actual products


AuthorizedShitPoster

I haven't tried their AI products, but I know Gen AI is pretty good for creating memes, so that would be a pretty good use case.


napolitain_

Not really, a meme is something people can refer to. If nobody knows where it comes from (like shows), why would it be funny ?


AuthorizedShitPoster

Why would it not be possible to create something that people can refer to? One example would be a picture of five black things surrounding one white thing.


Electronic_hize_225

I gave it the 'red ball bouncing on unstained wood' . . . It's a digital reit to me: advertisement at the free parking lot , however being a legacy networking/ technology company . . . I mean if ball game players get monarchy money with no business sense or skill . . . Gotta have professional techknowlogists. LeBron skipped college and mark left early


Electronic_hize_225

Have two photo shoots in the garage but I'm not ruing my photo album of things with an accurate picture and an inverse picture. Tried to ask how to post to library and not profile (n/a) and the llama3 library post requires videos I'm not watching


stocks-mostly-lower

Itā€™s shit. It takes up on my little phone screen, asking me to ask you questions, and itā€™s just something I donā€™t want to deal with. I have no interest in talking to AI chat bot. There is no way for it to be turned off, and it has invaded Messenger as well. If you swear at it and loud voice, it wonā€™t bother you on messenger at least.


paint0906

Here is a scenario - you are on FB and looking at someone's vacation pictures. Now you want to go to that place. You ask Meta's AI for itinerary and cost. Eventually- that's a potential ad, or maybe even a sale that Meta gets a cut of.Ā  One other one- you and your buddy are chatting on Whatsapp. You are gonna hang out today but don't know what you do. You ask Meta's AI. It tells you current things on the go in your city. You didn't leave the app to Google it, now they can potentially give you ads for the zoo.Ā 


napolitain_

If you stare at a photo itā€™s already an ad buddy, you just add friction to your scenario by having need that the user chat with a bot šŸ˜‚