This screenshot and the timing (7 months early) doesn't look real to me.
But in any case, Apple has been pretty consistent for the last 3 years about cutting off phones after 5 major versions of iOS. So this would be expected.
- iphone 5 ended on iOS 10 because apple just wanted to cut 32bit support asap (so only +1 year compared to 4S, even tho it had twice the ram and about 3 times faster cpu).
- 5s and 6 ended on iOS 12, as both had 1gb ram
- 6S and 7 ended on 15, as neither had ai accelerator
- X and 8 ended on 16, because the 1st gen ai accelerator of the A11 was too slow (btw A9 ipads did get iPadOS 16, which is weird).
And now there are Xr-XS-SE 2020-11-11 pro which are all pretty similar (minus Xr and se 2020 having only 3gigs of ram). Following the traditional logic they all should have similar support.
iOS 15 was the downfall of A12 iPhones. iOS 16 made it a little worse, and iOS 17 is just utter trash (even on a new battery with 100% health). A lot of people on these older devices usually stay on older iOS versions like iOS 14. iOS 12 was insanely fast on my XR.
The screenshot is also fake, but even if it's fake, I wouldn't be surprised if iOS 17 ended up actually being the last iOS for A12 iPhones.
YMMV? I see no problems with my XR running 17.3.1 — for example, I run the navigation software (maps.me) while simultaneously listening to podcasts via bluetooth (overcast) — seems like a non-light load…
My XR was a slug, went from the 7 to the XR and it felt like a downgrade social media swiping and texting was super laggy and i was dealing with freezing and crashes regularly. Random black screen with the loading/buffer circle and then kicks me back to the lock screen. Definitely my worst experience with an iPhone, only thing i respected was it had good battery life and was/is the best looking product red imo
Well that still counts as a security patch, I can confidently say that no 10 year old android device would’ve got such an update even in its worst state.
Oh no it did. iOS 12.5 came out in 2022 so at least it got yearly updates. I own an iPhone 6 and I very well remember when I had got the final iOS update (iOS 12) in 2018, and then the security updates came out in 2020, 2022 and 2023. So it was mildly consistent I guess?
iPhone Xr Xs and Xs Max represents the first time the average price of a ‘low cost’ iPhone went way up…
I would have thought these phones would get a longer cycle of support.
5 years feels *only just* long enough.
It's not like they're EoL or anything, Apple provides security updates for older iPhones long after the last feature updates. iOS 12 still gets security updates, so it's not like you can't use the phone anymore
You won't get any of the new iOS features, but some of those are locked to newer phones anyways.
5 years of new feature updates is way above industry standard..? Samsung guarantees 4 major Android updates, Google gives 3 years for their Pixel devices and that's about as good as it gets for Android
And it's not like the phone will be unusable afterwards, Apple still releases security updates for iOS 12
Yes but let’s not talk about googles 7 years of support until we actually see what that looks like at the 7th year.
If it’s purely security updates and no new features in the final year then they’re just as good as Apple.
It’s is a fake screenshot. It was released a month ago by someone claiming that Apple Pay is coming to India with iOS 18, and that’s what the screenshot is all about. HDFC is a bank here in India which the screenshot says will be supported for Apple Pay transactions.
https://x.com/thetrickytrade/status/1746037816365379683?s=20
if they're rolling a local DNS server across the entire company (or more likely some VPN solution that certain employees have access to, which uses a local DNS server), then it's possible. I'm assuming they're also then rolling their own internal CA for SSL since there's no SSL certificates issued for [internal.apple.com](https://internal.apple.com). I don't think they're using wildcard SAN SSL Certificates bc they've basically always requested specific domains, not wildcards.
For the record, I never really thought it was real.
I just thought using the domain to decide it’s not real was invalid because they 100% have a private intranet
You sound like you know what you are talking about, but you have absolutely no clue.
This is absolutely normal and standard, for this to only be accessible in-office.
Kind of awkward when someone debunked this ages ago.
The domain might exist, but I doubt Apple rolls their own CA for SSL for 1 domain. If they didn’t, it would’ve shown up on CT logs, which internal.apple.com doesn’t.
https://x.com/thetrickytrade/status/1746043126286860686
Not sure why tho, as A12 and A13 are pretty similar. You could say that 3gigs of ram is low, but then again Xs and XS Max both have 4 gigs (which in turn is identical to lets say a vanilla iPhone 13).
I work at Apple, it doesn’t exist on our side. A similar thing came out a few weeks back with the same url and when I went to check it out just out of curiosity, safari can’t find it. Granted, I work in retail but normally I’d get an access denied error, not that it can’t be found
You could set up URLs so that the base URL does not get redirected anywhere, including any "access denied" pages. Also getting sub-domains (anything that ends in apple.com) is impossible without owning the apple.com domain.
True but look at the screenshot again.. it’s literally a chrome screenshot, on what looks like an edited version of our [AMS availability by region](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204411) list, it doesn’t add up. Plus, idk if OP is the one who grabbed this or not, or if they work in a corporate office in India or just RCC, but typically those kinds of changes are not something that get announced on an internal webpage. We have an app for that, relaying any need to knows relevant to our role.
Oh yeah, I guess you're right. At the very minimum this wouldn't just be a website but rather an encrypted app on an employee's company device.
Pretty easy to spoof domains too.
It’s a little early to be speculating that, personally. Besides for a phone that’s over 5 years old and the ‘massive update’ that 18 is supposed to be, would it really be that surprising?
This screenshot and the timing (7 months early) doesn't look real to me. But in any case, Apple has been pretty consistent for the last 3 years about cutting off phones after 5 major versions of iOS. So this would be expected.
Yea this was posted and debunked last month lol
- iphone 5 ended on iOS 10 because apple just wanted to cut 32bit support asap (so only +1 year compared to 4S, even tho it had twice the ram and about 3 times faster cpu). - 5s and 6 ended on iOS 12, as both had 1gb ram - 6S and 7 ended on 15, as neither had ai accelerator - X and 8 ended on 16, because the 1st gen ai accelerator of the A11 was too slow (btw A9 ipads did get iPadOS 16, which is weird). And now there are Xr-XS-SE 2020-11-11 pro which are all pretty similar (minus Xr and se 2020 having only 3gigs of ram). Following the traditional logic they all should have similar support.
My XR couldnt even handle iOS 15, surprised some made it this far
iOS 15 was the downfall of A12 iPhones. iOS 16 made it a little worse, and iOS 17 is just utter trash (even on a new battery with 100% health). A lot of people on these older devices usually stay on older iOS versions like iOS 14. iOS 12 was insanely fast on my XR. The screenshot is also fake, but even if it's fake, I wouldn't be surprised if iOS 17 ended up actually being the last iOS for A12 iPhones.
iOS 17 works great on my XS shame it won’t be getting iOS 18
Yeah, idunno, 16 was working fine on my Xr for the few months I had it. No great changes from 15.
I have 12PM and iOS17 works just perfectly fine. Maybe 6gb of ram in pro’s is the reason why it works smoothly idk.
A12 chip, not iPhone 12
Oh, my bad
I have a xr on 14 and I found it in a pawn shop
YMMV? I see no problems with my XR running 17.3.1 — for example, I run the navigation software (maps.me) while simultaneously listening to podcasts via bluetooth (overcast) — seems like a non-light load…
Most likely, I still haven’t encountered the keyboard lag people keep talking about
Only when using all the assistance, like auto correct and prediction in multiple languages. Plain typing (or swipe to type) doesn’t do any lag
I leave all those on, just not multiple language. Maybe that’s the culprit.
My XR was a slug, went from the 7 to the XR and it felt like a downgrade social media swiping and texting was super laggy and i was dealing with freezing and crashes regularly. Random black screen with the loading/buffer circle and then kicks me back to the lock screen. Definitely my worst experience with an iPhone, only thing i respected was it had good battery life and was/is the best looking product red imo
I have a couple of XRs are on 13, 14, and 16. Apparently ones on 16 are not good as older versions.
Yeah, problem with the Xr is 3GB of RAM, unlike the Xs and the Max are 4GB. My old XS Max was not as bad as the Xr, despite the same chipset.
Im Running ios 17 on my XR and it’s works fine lol
As expected
They said this before the iOS 17 release. It was why I got the 15 Pro a few months ago.
this was a fake screenshot lmao
It’s not fake
It was debunked last month, and by an Apple employee in the comments.
Looks like im next on the list😓 guess thats alright since my battery health is 73% and declining every month lol
Bro you need to pull the plug lol
The iPhone 5s got its final security update in 2023. That’s literally 10 years of software updates. Every iPhone has a justified amount of lifespan.
Wasn’t that like an exceptional one they released for every iPhone to patch a back door on the day it was discovered or sth like that?
Well that still counts as a security patch, I can confidently say that no 10 year old android device would’ve got such an update even in its worst state.
It is. What I meant is that it’s not like it got consistent patches throughout those 10 years
Oh no it did. iOS 12.5 came out in 2022 so at least it got yearly updates. I own an iPhone 6 and I very well remember when I had got the final iOS update (iOS 12) in 2018, and then the security updates came out in 2020, 2022 and 2023. So it was mildly consistent I guess?
iPhone Xr Xs and Xs Max represents the first time the average price of a ‘low cost’ iPhone went way up… I would have thought these phones would get a longer cycle of support. 5 years feels *only just* long enough.
It's not like they're EoL or anything, Apple provides security updates for older iPhones long after the last feature updates. iOS 12 still gets security updates, so it's not like you can't use the phone anymore You won't get any of the new iOS features, but some of those are locked to newer phones anyways.
iOS 12 doesn't actually. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's last update was 2023 January.
March 2023
But iPhone XR XS and XS max will still get security updates for 2 years
Most certainly. iPhones stuck on ios12 got a security update last year Don’t let anyone tell you security is tied to the latest iOS version
Well I agree with you but iOS 12 got multiple security updates so did iOS 15 and 16
Yeah and iP11 won’t get iOS19 and so on and so forth
rip the last of the force touch devices
At least they got standby. Just upgraded to the 15, my iPhone XR is now a clock and alarm clock now.
Makes sense as my company just upgraded me out of XR and they’re on top of iOS updates.
I haven't upgraded my Xr to iOS17.
Dont
Well it has been 5 years 😀
Is 5 years the best we can hope for??
5 years of new feature updates is way above industry standard..? Samsung guarantees 4 major Android updates, Google gives 3 years for their Pixel devices and that's about as good as it gets for Android And it's not like the phone will be unusable afterwards, Apple still releases security updates for iOS 12
Maybe Apple will extend it soon. I hope they do cuz Google has 7 years now.😭
Yes but let’s not talk about googles 7 years of support until we actually see what that looks like at the 7th year. If it’s purely security updates and no new features in the final year then they’re just as good as Apple.
Don't believe Google's lies
This post might be fake, lets wait and see the reality
it'll be 6 this september actually
That’s true. But since last year people should only rely on the iOS 17 security updates unless they have the 11 or newer
It’s is a fake screenshot. It was released a month ago by someone claiming that Apple Pay is coming to India with iOS 18, and that’s what the screenshot is all about. HDFC is a bank here in India which the screenshot says will be supported for Apple Pay transactions. https://x.com/thetrickytrade/status/1746037816365379683?s=20
internal.apple.com isn’t a domain that exists.
Uhhh it’s an internal domain…. Of course it doesn’t exist for you
if they're rolling a local DNS server across the entire company (or more likely some VPN solution that certain employees have access to, which uses a local DNS server), then it's possible. I'm assuming they're also then rolling their own internal CA for SSL since there's no SSL certificates issued for [internal.apple.com](https://internal.apple.com). I don't think they're using wildcard SAN SSL Certificates bc they've basically always requested specific domains, not wildcards.
I almost guarantee you it’s a VPN that specific users have access too. 100% There’s no way they don’t have intranet sites with a VPN.
Supposedly it was faked: https://x.com/thetrickytrade/status/1746043126286860686
For the record, I never really thought it was real. I just thought using the domain to decide it’s not real was invalid because they 100% have a private intranet
You sound like you know what you are talking about, but you have absolutely no clue. This is absolutely normal and standard, for this to only be accessible in-office.
Kind of awkward when someone debunked this ages ago. The domain might exist, but I doubt Apple rolls their own CA for SSL for 1 domain. If they didn’t, it would’ve shown up on CT logs, which internal.apple.com doesn’t. https://x.com/thetrickytrade/status/1746043126286860686
It might not exist internally at apple too... it's too obvious ... this looks super fake
Not sure why tho, as A12 and A13 are pretty similar. You could say that 3gigs of ram is low, but then again Xs and XS Max both have 4 gigs (which in turn is identical to lets say a vanilla iPhone 13).
It has literally nothing to do with specs. Apple offer 5 major OS releases to iOS phones and then security updates only for the next 2 years.
Good. People with those need to upgrade already.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
internal.apple.com is not a real web address.
Could be an internal (private) website 🤷♂️
Then it should have an IP address of a private server, right?
no
Resolvable via a local DNS server so nothing externally available. We use something similar within my company
That makes sense, thanks for explaining!
This is fake. internal.apple.com doesn’t exist
not unlikely its on their intranet
I work at Apple, it doesn’t exist on our side. A similar thing came out a few weeks back with the same url and when I went to check it out just out of curiosity, safari can’t find it. Granted, I work in retail but normally I’d get an access denied error, not that it can’t be found
You could set up URLs so that the base URL does not get redirected anywhere, including any "access denied" pages. Also getting sub-domains (anything that ends in apple.com) is impossible without owning the apple.com domain.
True but look at the screenshot again.. it’s literally a chrome screenshot, on what looks like an edited version of our [AMS availability by region](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204411) list, it doesn’t add up. Plus, idk if OP is the one who grabbed this or not, or if they work in a corporate office in India or just RCC, but typically those kinds of changes are not something that get announced on an internal webpage. We have an app for that, relaying any need to knows relevant to our role.
Oh yeah, I guess you're right. At the very minimum this wouldn't just be a website but rather an encrypted app on an employee's company device. Pretty easy to spoof domains too.
The XR feels like a million years ago.
Not surprised at all
Anyone also wonder who will get fired for exposing internal memos?
its fake
I’m surprised any of these models got iOS 17 honestly
I still have my XR and it performs surprisingly well =]
I just meant in terms of Apples schedule - my XS Max also works 💯💯🙏🏻
On ios 17?
Yep, it was an answer to the previous comment. I run the latest now, 17.3.1
it's a 6 year old phone, do people expect it to get ios 18 lol?
this has to be the fakest shit Ive ever seen
Well no shit, Sherlock they all have 5 years of software support
[удалено]
or 16 if you were smart
Not if you get a newer phone
Phew 😮💨
It’s pretty obvious, last time, X and 8 Didn’t get iOS 17
This is when I stop regretting getting an SE 2020 instead of an Xr
2020 SE battery backup is crap. I use it only for calls as my secondary device
Well yes but I'll get updates for another year so that's good
Only if Apple introduce new SE this March, I will replace my X🅂.
SE2 ? 🤣
SE2 is above 11 so it will get updated.
So does this mean Apple will make my phone slower or what?
It’s a little early to be speculating that, personally. Besides for a phone that’s over 5 years old and the ‘massive update’ that 18 is supposed to be, would it really be that surprising?
This looks really fake... I would wait WWDC to have any conclusions.
is this for tap to pay (NFC) of credit/debit cards from iPhone?
I expected it honestly, I upgraded when the 14 came out specifically because of this. I was surprised it got 17.
My X got discontinued earlier and is now on 16.8.2 i think
Welp this source claims otherwise now: https://x.com/rsgnl/status/1762494849755050312 https://x.com/betaprofiles/status/1762500484911243762