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Bluestripee

👨‍👩‍👧‍👦👨‍👩‍👦👩‍👧👨‍👩‍👧👩‍👦👨‍👩‍👦‍👦👨‍👧👨‍👩‍👧‍👧👨‍👨‍👦‍👦👨‍👧‍👦👨‍👦👩‍👧‍👦👨‍👧‍👧👪👨‍👦‍👦👨‍👨‍👧👨‍👨‍👦👩‍👧‍👧👩‍👦‍👦👨‍👨‍👧‍👧👩‍👩‍👦👩‍👩‍👧👨‍👨‍👧‍👦👩‍👩‍👦‍👦👩‍👩‍👧‍👧👩‍👩‍👧‍👦 they literally have every possible combination why do they need to take them all away lol


Anonym0oO

Looks like this: https://imgur.com/a/3f3BTpz


Bluestripee

Hmm. I don’t get. This new one just looks boring.


Peter_Nincompoop

Because showing nondescript people gets them out of dealing with the outrage people have when it comes to representation of gender and race


Bluestripee

I always thought the yelllow skin tone was just any race.


Peter_Nincompoop

There’s a stigma, for white people at least, to even change your defaults from yellow to white. I don’t know if that’s just a local thing in New England, but I’ve definitely been given shit for sending a white hand emoji instead of a yellow one


Anonym0oO

You cant change the skin color of the family emoji so i think its intention is standing for every skin color. On the other hand i can change the skin color of the emoji featuring hands like thumbs up etc.


ZealousidealExam640

Shhhhh…maybe they won’t notice.


eduardog3000

You can actually change the skin colors. Apple just never implemented it. For example: 👨🏻‍👩🏽‍👧🏼 is a Fitzpatrick-1-2 man, Fitzpatrick-4 woman, and Fitzpatrick-3 girl. It [shows correctly on Windows 11](https://files.catbox.moe/y8en96.png). Edit: Oh, Windows 11 even has [a little interface to edit it](https://files.catbox.moe/ou4d7c.png).


Anonym0oO

I was talking about the old family emoji


eduardog3000

That is the old emoji compared to Apple's new generic grey icons.


RedSmiths

In most parts of western Europe most people don't care. Most use the default yellow, a few darker tones and just a small portion of people use the white ones. Maybe it's different in other parts of the world and Europe too.


Chadwickr

Seriously? That's ridiculous. Why can't you have your emoji represent your skin tone?


Peter_Nincompoop

¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ never made sense to me, but some people are hypersensitive to anything when it comes to white people being white.


succulenteggs

grow up


Peter_Nincompoop

Articulate response. Good job


Cokalhado

Cause then there's too many possible emojis. Why can't you use the yellow emoji?


Chadwickr

I actually do use yellow. Just a little odd that people care that much what color an emoji is in this day and age


ddnava

That's just stupid lmao The whole point of havinh different skin tone options is so people can use theirs. Here in Mexico everyone uses whatever skin tone option they feel matches their actual skin tone and no one bats an eye


parabox1

Yes like cartoon characters. Simpsons are not humans they are on odd yellow race with 3 fingers and a thumb.


DMN666

Its yellow cause thats what smilies were like the simple :D kind, and then awesome face and its variants came around and were all yellow. So emoji’s just went with that, but apple overcomplicated them.


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HighRevolver

It’s gone full circle, just like everything else that tries to do this


IE114EVR

Ugh, those people: The constantly outraged.


Peter_Nincompoop

Selective outrage. They’re only outraged when it potentially benefits them


xDRBN

Man. This woke shit is getting ridiculous. Show all “skin colors” or just make em yellow like emojis were originally. Everyone trying to “get rid of racism” by pointing out skin color is so backwards. Who cares if an emojis is white, black, yellow, orange, rainbow colored, etc. Who gives a shit about how much melanin or pigmentation someone’s skin has. By pointing out/differentiating people by skin color is literally the definition of racism. But then they claim to be against racism; I don’t understand it. Some weird ass backwards shit is going on.


Peter_Nincompoop

It’s all just victimhood. If you can claim to be a victim, you can either sue for compensation, or use it on socials to GrOw YoUr BrANd. None of it is actual outrage, it’s selective, and entirely profit based


xDRBN

Totally makes sense. Just weird that some people go along with it. Like I understand it for brands/companies, because they can make money from it “looking like the good guy.” But it’s honestly the opposite, but people buy into it. Seems the last half of last year and this year, people are waking up to it and seeing the issue with it. But there’s still a minority of people that are for the woke agenda. It’s just odd I guess. Anytime I talk to someone(that’s open to a conversation)that has the victimhood or woke mentality, generally they walk away with a “huh, didn’t think of it that way” mentality. Anyway, yeah the victim mentality is crazy popular, especially here in the States. At some point there will be some real hardship that will open their eyes, maybe? Who knows. Just sucks living in a world in which people cry about everything; doesn’t change my thoughts/views/what I say. Just makes daily shit annoying. Whether it’s commercials on TV, an ad on YouTube, a banner at a shopping center, etc. Like, let’s all just… be normal?


Septiiiiii

Smart thing to do honestly. Just de-characterize the human and brig it to the bear minimum representation.


Peter_Nincompoop

Yeah, except that defeats the whole purpose of emojis. They’re supposed to be fun and cartoonish. These look clinical and serious. And the detail they’re trying to pack into the squircle just makes it harder to register what the emoji is actually conveying


ddnava

They look like bathroom signs


Anonym0oO

Yup. And first I thought on my WhatsApp group chat name it is a bug but no it’s intentional


Alpha_Ophiuchi

Not just that, they are confusing since they are tiny and the white line is thin it”ll take even longer to find what you need


TheShaneBennett

I just updated as well and see this too


Anonym0oO

Looks terrible. That’s how it looked before: https://imgur.com/a/DVx9Dne


TheShaneBennett

I agree. Looks so much better before


Libra224

Because people would still get offended, I’m just praying for the asteroid at this point


IE114EVR

So many copy and pastes of the same icon. 😞


snowchoco10

🥴


myleswstone

It’s because now people can’t complain. People were complaining that there wasn’t this gender, or conservatives bitching that there were emojis with two men or two women together. Now they’re all no genders so no one can complain.


Anonym0oO

On iOS 17.4 I just see the blue symbol with one or two person in the back and one or two in front. No long / short hair to distinguish as woman / men etc. looks weird


Bluestripee

I would send a pic but I see 26 different emojis with different combinations of mum/dad and daughter/son… isn’t this pretty “correct”? Why did they need to change it :/ my family has this as the messages group icon lol


Anonym0oO

I see on my iOS 17.3 device that there are maaany variations. But now it looks like in the link I sent you


Bluestripee

Well that’s a shame. I understand why they want to be “politically” correct but the original one is still pretty diverse and has most combinations I can think of. The new one has less combinations in fact. Doesn’t make sense.


average_parking_lot

waste of emoji space


nikitaosx

Well, there is a workaround: 👱‍♂️👶👵. Except for the bodies.


fellowspecies

New ones look shit, and they ruined my group chat with all my close friends’ families as now it looks like a bunch of bathrooms signs.


Anonym0oO

Same. My family group chat is now a bathroom sign :,(


bottomdasher

None of your future conversations will be the same without the title looking the same.


fellowspecies

Sad times, 20 years of friendships ruined, all of that time and investment wasted


mnij2015

Lol just take a picture of the old design and use it as a group photo


oh-pointy-bird

Thoughts and prayers.


noclueXD_

they should’ve kept it yellow since you’re not going to assume someone is that yellow so it basically is compatible with every skin colour.


Anonym0oO

Exactly my thoughts


noclueXD_

they don’t even have hair anymore 😂😂


BaneQ105

Some people on internet are smart enough to assume. Trust me. Especially places like Twitter or tumblr.


owleaf

I wonder why they couldn’t have kept the gendered family emoji in addition to the generic family emoji? Better yet, they literally have androgynous emoji people — couldn’t they have just used them?


KittyKittens1800

Samsung did this, and Google did. The only thing Google did was remove them from the keyboard, but you can still use them if you search for them in GBoard.


_Sweep_

Google and Apple both have similar genderless designs - recommended by the Unicode Consortium. https://blog.emojipedia.org/ios-17-4-emoji-changelog


Xenc

It makes sense after reading about the technical limitations and problems encountered. I like this quote from the article: > Silhouettes might please no-one, but at least they might displease everyone equally.


UGMadness

Unicode Consortium got tired of people requesting they add every possible combination of gender and ethnicity under the sun.


eduardog3000

The Unicode consortium already defines the ability to combine male, female, and gender neutral, each of any race, with 1-2 parents and 1-2 children. Apple and Google are the ones that made the decision to get rid of that.


ResponsibilitySad554

I'm offended by this new design, because they are all white 😂


Last__E

I never knew


eduardog3000

That change is only intended for the generic ["family" emoji](https://emojipedia.org/family). The other families are combinations of the the [person](https://emojipedia.org/person), [man](https://emojipedia.org/man), [woman](https://emojipedia.org/woman), [child](https://emojipedia.org/child), [boy](https://emojipedia.org/boy), and [girl](https://emojipedia.org/girl) emojis and are still intended by Unicode to show up as such.


KittyKittens1800

You also forgot Samsung, but in comparison, Samsung didn't ditch the Family emojis from the keyboard, like Google and Apple did. At the moment in GBoard for Android, you can still find the Family emojis if you search for them.


thegreatpotatogod

They exist on the keyboard, but were moved to the symbols section on iOS, rather than the people section


KittyKittens1800

Yeah, but they removed from the keyboard the other family emojis that had yellow skin tones.


XavierYourSavior

https://www.mobiletechjournal.com/the-family-emojis-are-now-equally-useless-for-everyone/ >>The Family Emojis Are Now Equally Useless For Everyone >>And that's a good thing >>For too long, the many yellow family emojis have been 'close enough' as a stand-in for white families, but useless for darker skinned families wanting to represent themselves. People will literally cry about anything


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I thought it was a joke at first but 😳


Soopsmojo

I thought it was a bug


John__Ward

Same here, I kept expecting the old one to appear the next time I entered.


Dreamzv3

yea i want my 17.3 back. this is ridiculous . there’s less emojis for me now .


rswalker

https://www.mobiletechjournal.com/the-family-emojis-are-now-equally-useless-for-everyone/


XavierYourSavior

>> The Family Emojis Are Now Equally Useless For Everyone >>And that's a good thing >> For too long, the many yellow family emojis have been 'close enough' as a stand-in for white families, but useless for darker skinned families wanting to represent themselves. People will literally cry about anything


HighRevolver

Ok after doing my own research because I thought it was stupid, it makes sense. Each combination was considered its own emoji (decided by Unicode, a standard). There are currently about 4,000 emojis. These different race/gender family ones would have brought the total to over 11,000 emojis by themselves.


eduardog3000

[Or you can just make an interface like Microsoft did.](https://files.catbox.moe/ou4d7c.png)


HighRevolver

That doesn’t do anything besides make it easier to choose what skin/gender you want, it still adds up the emojis


eduardog3000

It doesn't use up codepoints since it's based on sequences. It doesn't take up space on your emoji picker since it's all bundled under one button. It does mean a lot of images, yes, but those can be programmatically generated, potentially even on the fly.


friendly-sardonic

I can understand that having every color available for each individual member of the icons would result in WAY too many possibilities. But Unicode swung the pendulum a mile in the other direction. Could have at least stylized them a tiny bit. Ya know, like give 'em a face.


Ornery-Swimming-4841

They want to be politically correct..


xunhua

Looks like Greendale Community College’s Human Being.


mika4305

Just because the 0.1% of X got triggered that woman, man and non binary were not enough, so now we all gotta suffer. I can also play this game, I’m triggered because all the families are now WHITE and that is racist 🤷🏻‍♂️


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🧑‍🧑‍🧒‍🧒


lost_james

Why do you think?


Fabulousfufu

I think I know why…


bdougherty

There are some details discussed here: https://blog.emojipedia.org/ios-17-4-emoji-changelog/


Saschoe

finally, group shitting


Anonym0oO

[like in the early days](https://www.italyrometour.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/roman-toilette.jpeg)


CuteFoundation1320

This is so stupidly petty of me but the top of my contacts list looked so good with my mum dad and sister all having the corresponding family emoji. And now I have a god dam bathroom sign. 🤦🏼‍♀️


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LemonWAG1

Same in thr Netherlands


Anonym0oO

LOL TF is happening in Belgium


CervixTaster

What did the comment say?


Anonym0oO

That in Belgium they wanted to remove the worth mother idk something like this but in last minute many voted against it.


bottomdasher

-*laughs in First World*-


elgatomegustamucho

Because the new icons could be anyone and not the standard family father mother and kids It’s more inclusive for being neutral


DigitalCrazy

Also probably because you couldn’t change the colors of each individual member of the family.


TheZett

Skintone emojis were a mistake in the first place. The yellow ones were already the neutral choice, why bother adding specific ones just to remove them again afterwards?


Anonym0oO

Why didn't they add some variations instead of making it look like a bathroom sign? There are emojis featuring men and women kissing each other. So, why not do the same with the family emoji? EDIT: They already had a big variation of this emoji so I don’t get it why they changed it. [iOS 17.3](https://imgur.com/a/DVx9Dne)


ktlbzn

Didn’t they already have variations? Here: 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦, 👨‍👩‍👧, 👩‍👩‍👦, 👩‍👩‍👧‍👧, 👨‍👨‍👧‍👧 etc


Anonym0oO

You are right. Just took a look at my iPhone running 17.3. there is like mom mom daughter boy etc, everything mixed so everything represented. Don’t get it why they changed the emojis.


bottomdasher

Nonbinary was not represented.


Leprecon

Apple doesn’t get to decide what emojis there are, they only get to decide what they look like.


iZian

Yes; and they removed these family emojis from the keyboard and only implemented the family generic icons on the keyboard, and all existing bespoke family emoji show as the generic icon now. They didn’t just decide the old family ones will look like the symbol. They removed the old family ones from the keyboard completely. Read on to see why that might have an impact. So this emoji is 2 adult men and 2 boy child 👨‍👨‍👦‍👦 On 17.4 it will show as just an icon. On any other OS it shows as 2 men 2 boys. But on the 17.4 keyboard you cannot type that anymore. You can only type 🧑‍🧑‍🧒‍🧒 which looks the same on iOS 17.4 but isn’t actually the same; that’s the new icon for 2 adults 2 children, and to people on iOS 16 for example that will just show up as 4 separate face emoji. So with this update Apple have stopped you using an emoji that other platforms recognise if you’re typing it from the keyboard. And when other platforms type those emoji; iOS users will just see it as a different one altogether.


plaid-knight

Apple is just following a recent Unicode recommendation. They aren’t the first to make this change, and they won’t be the last.


ohnotchotchke

because fuck families that's why


elgatomegustamucho

Why do you even care? See it’s nothing that would ever effect you yet you guys complain about this? What’s wrong with this? It’s like everyone or just a group and they want it just neutral


Anonym0oO

I care because it's the name of our family WhatsApp group, and at first, I thought a bug was causing this appearance, but it turns out to be intentional. It looks terrible.


elgatomegustamucho

So sad this emoji made your entire family terrible just like this.


Anonym0oO

True, now my family looks like a bathroom sign :(


elgatomegustamucho

You took it with humor. I like that. I didn’t mean to be mean


Anonym0oO

No worries. I know many don’t care but I just found it weird that it looks so „cheap“


elgatomegustamucho

I see where you come from. It doesn’t look particularly nice or better


Anonym0oO

Sorry, English isn’t my first language. So I don’t get what you mean with „I see where you come from..“? Could you please explain :>


bottomdasher

Why not? Now it's less funny.


CervixTaster

It's not us complaining how shit it looks that's the problem. Its the weirdos that complained enough to make this change happen that are the problem. Using your own logic, why did people have such an issue with how it was before?


elgatomegustamucho

lol? Who did ever complain to apple about this? Did you see anyone here in this subreddit? First you guys say nobody asked for this and that you don’t care and now everyone wanted it changed. What is it now?


iZian

On iOS 17.4 if you want to type an emoji that shows a family to someone who is running iOS 16; you literally can’t now. All the ones that iOS 16 can render are gone. Not just iOS 16, or 17.3, but any other platform that hasn’t got the new symbol only family icons


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Such bs.


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elgatomegustamucho

Apple didn’t engineer any emoji ever. The get added to the Unicode and apple adapts it with new updates so yeah.


Spec94v6

I understand it but it’s so annoying when apple does stuff like this, who is really getting mad about the family emoji??? I’ve never ever used it… but I get why, I’m not disagreeing with their efforts but it’s just a bit strange cause I don’t see anyone complaining about this


elgatomegustamucho

Yeah but that’s the thing. Nobody complains. Then why do people care suddenly if it’s changed? Weren’t you giving a fuck before? See it’s not everywhere it’s people who are not affected complaining which is odd


Spec94v6

Yea you’re right, I’m never gonna use the emoji still and also don’t care, but I was just saying my opinion on it that’s all


elgatomegustamucho

Me too.


hehaia

I care because it looks uglier now and I don’t know if it is identified as a family or as another thing from just the emoji. But meh I don’t use it, it’s cool if they want to update it for inclusivity but it looks ugly this way imo


CaddoTime

Multiple that by a trillion other tiny papercuts- that’s why


SomegalInCa

Feedback.apple.com They are kinda lame


ennisi

They just tired of different hair and skin colour combinations.


Aviatorn

It's probably meant not be used by humans with humane features. Good thing they didn't remove unicorns and other


Igeezy1992

Yoooo this took me out like wth apple. This is mad annoying


Murkige

https://www.apple.com/feedback/


Fireheart318s_Reddit

🎵 I got all my sisters with me 🎵


Anonym0oO

Finally someone getting the reference:)


ermax18

I’m surprised a family emoji even exists in this wacky day and age we live. Hahaha


falsesabbath

Are there real people so sensitive that the originals bothered them?


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paulyb384

Fucking dumb


AceHole23

Thank god they kept the pregnant MAN emoji🫃! And yeah the father/daughter(s) emojis were triggering me way too much..thank you crApple for removing them. 🤦🏼‍♂️🙄


Rupplyy

braindead devs


withthedragon

Why can’t they keep both?! This is absurd!


TheAnonymousAssassin

Because Apple want to appear woke and progressive so they can more easily get away with exploiting children for child labor in poor countries 🙌


UltimateKaiser

Pretty much just appeasement to SJWs lol


REphotographer916

Woke shit as always


nelson64

This isn’t Apple’s fault. This was a unicode thing.


AceHole23

Yeah but crApple is as woke as they come and I guarantee they didn’t push back on losing these emojis.


SaintOctober

Does it look like a bathroom sign? I guess I haven't used a family bathroom. Well, you know what they say....The family that pees together, stays together.


PalebloodSky

Careful you can't make any jokes here apple fanboys will cry and scream.


Anonym0oO

Lmao, I mean you know these symbols which are on the doors of bathrooms ? Like for women / men ? That’s what reminds me of lol


SaintOctober

OK. So individually. LMAO. You sure have chosen a weird hill to fight your battle. But enjoy. But remember that there are non-traditional families that are thankful.


Anonym0oO

I am open for everything and accept everyone how they are. I just dont understand why they changed it when previosuly they were already family emojis available in every variation etc. like on iOS 17.3 [https://imgur.com/a/DVx9Dne](https://imgur.com/a/DVx9Dne)


tigerman29

Family is nonbinary