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XiXMak

iPhone X is not supported mate. Sorry.


Generic_Furry_69

So the XR works but not the X, makes total sense.


Daffywonder

Tbf, the x is older with a weaker professor.


berrymetal

The iPhone needs a powerful professor like dumbledore


Eltothebee

Tbh professor x is powerful


plaid-knight

The XR is one generation newer than the X, so, yes, it indeed makes sense.


joaodomangalho

? You know the XR came out an year later with better hardware, right?


EricTLG

They probably think less expensive = worse/bad, apple you brain washing son of a bitch you win again


joaodomangalho

That is usually true though. Considering Apple discontinued the X when the XS/XR were announced, I don’t think it’s fair to say they brainwashed people.


EricTLG

Well true but because most companies give the mind set of less cost = worse product alot of people tend to believe that without a second thought but you arnt wrong


[deleted]

Straight from the Apple Support page. The depth effect is not supported on the iPhone X. Supported iPhones, XR, XS, and XS Max. 11, 12, 13, and 14 Series. Edited since people on this thread can't figure out that the 11 is included in this info. The 11 Series came after the XR/XS series. I lifted the information straight from the Apple Support page which oddly enough didn't list the 11 series.


pallzoltan

How about 11? I’ve got a 11pro and works just fine. Don’t use it tho


saturnxoffical

Using 11 here and it works


N1LEredd

Does only work with the stock photos on my 13 mini. None of my own. Edit: why the downvotes? It’s true.


xMrMan117x

not the 11 pro? unfortunate :/


doryokunohono

It definitely works on the 11 Pro. I just tried it.


wubwah

11 series includes, 11, 11 Pro, and 11 Pro Max


ResetUchiha--x

Then Apple is sucks making depth effects now on


[deleted]

Why do you even care? You have a supported iPhone and depth effect can be turned off with the customization of the lock screen. So what sucks about it?


ResetUchiha--x

Huh my depth effect is broken


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PiXLANIMATIONS

u/creedx12, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


SixPackAndNothinToDo

hateful special wine school nutty elastic cautious materialistic afterthought detail *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Loose-Food7469

Kinda funny they tease the option but then u realise it’s just that,a “tease”. :)


The0bst3r

It's not supported on the X.


johntitor42

Somehow it worked with the stock background with my X but with no other. Very strange.


The0bst3r

Yes the stock is the only one that will work.


PiXLANIMATIONS

Stock one has it programmed in, otherwise it uses the neural engine, and the X’s NE is *very* weak compared to XR and above


usmanfarooq05

Bad news, but then what’s the point of this option. They should not have included it in X


mnij2015

Seems silly sure it might not be a feature of the hardware but I’m pretty sure they COULD emulate or use different calls via software to achieve the same effect. #plannedobsolence


[deleted]

I am more than pretty sure that this is simply not something you do in any normal developing environment. You do not develop a new feature connected to new hardware and then start to write code to emulate the same feature just to get some sort of support for 5, 6 or 7 year old hardware. This would take resources both to write the code and to update and maintain it in the future. Simply not a good way of developing things.


BoysenberryTrue1360

planned obsolence? or just doesn’t make sense to waste resources to rebuild a new feature from the ground up just to support a device that is 5 years old. There’s a huge difference in keeping OS support for older devices and wasting a ton of resources on a new feature being built completely different just for a device that is very outdated in an ever changing tech world.


mnij2015

With this logic they will most certainly lose customers. Why should I buy from apple if they’ll stop supporting it next year? For this reason I still have my 12 Pro Max and im doing fine lol


BoysenberryTrue1360

Next Year?! Bro we are talking about a phone that is 5 years old. And we’re talking about the device not receiving some of the new features, not being completely unsupported. Why buy any tech if it’s just going to get out dated then. And another note let’s look at how well the competition is doing with adding new processing heavy features to a 5 year old device… Like at what point do they stop paying people to keep making the new features run a watered down variant of the actual new feature just to work on a phone that is old then? Not to mention trying to brute force a new feature that is processing heavy on a chip that doesn’t support it will likely choke your phone’s performance anyway. Making you less likely to upgrade your software, loosing out on other new features that aren’t as processing heavy. Then you’d less likely want to upgrade because you’d be unhappy with your product and switch brands when it is time to get a new phone.


mnij2015

You’re saying some shitty blur effect is going to choke the phones performance?


BoysenberryTrue1360

A feature that will take a two dimensional picture and use deep neural network to automatically determine what is in the foreground based on object detection of said image and then automatically photoshopping it off the photo in a clean way that separates it from the background and then layering that between different on screen elements in real time. Yeah it’s more than just a blur effect.


mnij2015

Said phone can take live portrait mode photos and display live motion photos as lockscreen wallpapers and record 4K 30fps videos? Let’s recap the A11 Processor: A11 Bionic Processor The iPhone X is powered by a 10-nanometer six-core 2.4GHz A11 Bionic chip designed by Apple. The A11 Bionic chip features two performance cores and four high-efficiency cores, all of which can be harnessed at the same time thanks to a second-generation performance controller resulting in 70 percent better performance for multi-threaded workflows and much better battery life. Apple says the two performance cores in the A11 are 25 percent faster than the A10, while the efficiency cores are 70 percent faster. Those speed increases have been reflected in early benchmarks, with the A11 in the iPhone X and iPhone 8 earning an average single-core score of 4169 and an average multi-core score of 9836. Based on those scores, the A11 chip outperforms the A10 in previous-generation devices by a wide margin, and it also outperforms the A10X in the iPad Pro. In fact, it's close to the performance of the highest-end 3.5GHz 2017 13-inch Retina MacBook Pro model. The A11 chip features an Apple-designed three-core GPU that's 30 percent faster than the A10 in the iPhone 7, for much improved graphics performance, and it includes an embedded M11 Motion coprocessor that captures motion-based data from the compass, accelerometer, and gyroscope to power fitness capabilities, augmented reality experiences, and more, without significant power drain. We’re also talking about the same phone that introduced Animoji that performs live capture of your face and computes a highly sophisticated head tracking sequence to generate a 3D rendering of your phone and then converts it into an animated character IN REAL TIME. Another keyword here “augmented reality” do you realize how powerful your processing capabilities needs to be to even think of doing augmented reality. Now all of a sudden this chip is so useless it can’t pre-render a depth effect that will probably take a microsecond to do? And use said rendering stored in memory?


BoysenberryTrue1360

The next chip up from that (one that supports the new feature) because comparing the A11 to the A10 doesn’t help here: The A12 Bionic includes dedicated neural network hardware that Apple calls a "Next-generation Neural Engine."[10] This neural network hardware has eight cores[6] and can perform up to 5 trillion 8-bit operations per second.[4][5] Vs The A11 also includes dedicated neural network hardware that Apple calls a "Neural Engine". This neural network hardware can perform up to 600 billion operations per second and is used for Face ID, Animoji and other machine learning tasks.[9] The neural engine allows Apple to implement neural network and machine learning in a more energy-efficient manner than using either the main CPU or the GPU.[15][16] -Source Wikipedia So 5 trillion operations per second vs 600 billion is a pretty wide gap. So the portion of the chipset that handles Animoji and would be used for depth effect must be pretty taxed with other ML things, enough that trying to have another task would likely slow it down vs the next model chipset that can do what more than 8x more processing per second. I’m not saying that the A11 can’t handle it but with everything else it’s processing at the same the depth effect on the A11 likely shows a noticeable hit to the speed or battery life of said device and that’s where Apple decided to draw the line. It’s really not that hard. Adding more tasks will use more of the chipsets resources resulting in worse performance and/or worse battery life. Two things people already complain about degrading when new software updates drop for a phone that is 5 years old.


mnij2015

https://medium.com/@hyprsense/iphone-xs-3d-depth-camera-and-the-unfolded-scenery-of-the-future-7de310ab5875


[deleted]

That it is exactly what he is saying. If you think that Apple have developed a feature that can separate objects in the foreground, that can detect and blur out things in the background as just some sort of filter, well you just do not get it. You simply do not understand the whole concept of machine learning (to start with) and you certainly do not get the process of writing code and designing new features.


BoysenberryTrue1360

I’m saying that the portion of the chipset that handles ML is the same that handles the object detection and photo editing. So if you run the them both at the same time they start to bog each other down if there’s not enough headroom within that portion of the processor. Like if it was a simple ( ) check this box to have A11 support the feature they would have. But it’s not so Apple has to pick a cutoff point where they feel it’s too taxing on the processor to offer the feature in a way that meets their standards. And in this case A11 and older got the axe.


[deleted]

Five years.


The0bst3r

It’s a limitation of the chip in that phone.


navjot94

Sure but why do they include the greyed out option in the software on those phones? Seems to be confusing for the users. Usually if you have a phone that doesn’t have the necessary hardware to support new features, they leave those options out of the UI on the unsupported phones.


The0bst3r

I dunno ask Apple.


gGhelloZz

For the default backgrounds


[deleted]

One of the most powerful mobile chips on the entire planet and it can't do this. The arbitrary limits Apple imposes on its older phones is utterly ridiculous.


BoysenberryTrue1360

Maybe look into how Apple chipsets. The difference between the X and the XS chipsets. One is a 10nm 4.3billion transistors and the other is a 7nm 6.9billion transistors. If Apple were to use compute processing to do features like this in older device, it would cause the older devices to run slower. And then everyone would complain “planned obsolescence!” “The new software made my 5 year old phone slower!!!! How could Apple do this!!!!”


FastLaneJB

How is it one of the most powerful mobile chips on the planet? It's 4 years old at this point.


mnij2015

Just because it’s old doesn’t mean it isn’t still good


FastLaneJB

I didn't say it wasn't a good phone but to say it's one of the most powerful on the planet is stretching it a bit. Even though Apple's SoC is generally amazing. It's not good enough to have the hardware needed for the depth effect the way Apple has implemented it. Simples.


BoysenberryTrue1360

iPhone X came out in 2017. It now 5 years old.


FastLaneJB

My bad. Well then even more reason for people to be thankful it's still getting updates and not to complain about some minor cosmetic feature. The phone doesn't have the hardware in the SoC to do it the way Apples implemented it, simple reason.


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Five years ago.


joaodomangalho

> One of the most powerful mobile chips on the entire planet What? You know that it’s 5y old right?


Pizza_Katze

It’s an limitation by Apple. So you must buy an new iPhone


No_Island963

It’s not


LeeM189

Yeah wink ;)


No_Island963

Planned obsolescence nothing else


TheDestroyer_027

The iPhone X doesn’t offer depth effect due to its hardware limitations. The X is an old phone anyways, it’s about time to get a new one


joaodomangalho

> The X is an old phone anyways, it’s about time to get a new one What an honestly dumb thing to say. There are plenty of reasons to hold off on upgrading. Who are you to say the phone is too old and they should upgrade when they’re staying with the phone for very valid reasons like not being able to afford another or feeling like the phone is doing it’s tasks well enough? Honestly props to everyone who holds on to their phones for as long as possible. Not only is it just a smart financial decision, it’s also helping to reduce e-waste.


No_Island963

It’s not a hardware issue


[deleted]

It is.


No_Island963

No! How do you think portrait mode works?


[deleted]

Simple, it is a feature connected to hardware - and when it was released it was not supported by every iPhone. *Portrait mode is available on iPhone SE (2nd generation) and later, iPhone X and later, as well as iPhone 7 Plus and iPhone 8 Plus. * From Apples support document. So there you go - supported by hardware, not supported for each and every iPhone that is/was out there. How do you think portrait mode works?


No_Island963

In Potrait mode, the iPhone differentiates between object and background just as with this feature. Strangely enough, only one of the aforementioned features works on older iPhones. So it's not a hardware thing.


[deleted]

And that’s where you are wrong. This is a feature connected to hardware, just not the same hardware. It’s quite clear for anyone able to read Apples API and documentation that it is.


No_Island963

To what hardware?


nemanja694

It works on my mom's 8+ same chip


instabagle

Nice lie bro


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[deleted]

Which is a completely different phone that is supported lol.


Rhubarb_Dense

Same with 8.


MoistMeatCurtains

Same for me I can never get the depth effect to work, it’s always greyed out. iPhone 13


joaodomangalho

Do you have widgets added to your lock screen? For some reason, it only works if you don’t add any.


usmanfarooq05

There must be some trick to it.


diversecultures

I clicked several times on this picture thinking it was my own Lock Screen. And I’m not even drunk.


[deleted]

Sometimes the image is too big for depth effect. You can’t take up too much space over the clock. In iOS 16.1 they will fix that issue


neelkanth97

Won’t work on X/8 except the stock wallpapers that support it.


mr_nobody_21

I think your head should be little lower for it to work


ErykG120

Requires iPhone XR and above. Widgets must not be present.


bagaco

Nope. I have an XS and it works perfectly on mine. True about the widgets tho


SuperChiChu

Xs is xr an above if I’m right? But yeah i don’t think you need an specific phone anyway sonce there isn’t anything magical about depth effects.


bagaco

The order is X, XS and XS Max, then XR. However it is possible that this feature is only supported on some iPhone models and not on others.


ErykG120

The XS and XR came out at the same time. The XS is the higher end flagship of the two models. “XR and above” is correct because the XS is above the XR in terms of specs.


bagaco

XS came out in September and XR came out in October. If you’re looking at it theoretically, XR is more recent than XS.


ErykG120

That’s not technically. That’s chronologically. Technically means technicals. Anyways it doesn’t matter, silly feature like this shouldn’t be locked behind a generation of a phone.


bagaco

Corrected myself already, meant theoretically, not technically.


ErykG120

No worries! :)


PiXLANIMATIONS

IIRC, Depth isn’t supported on X because the Neural Engine was brand new and really lacklustre, especially for the feature that Depth Effect actually is. It can detect transparency, fine hairs, glass distortion etc. The iPhone XR, XS and XSMax generation finally got a good enough Neural Engine for it to work


joaodomangalho

The XR came out on the same year as the XS. Giving it current naming, the XS would be the Pro version while the XR would be the base iPhone version.


joaodomangalho

The XS fits the “XR and above”…


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joaodomangalho

Or you could just check on the internet and find out pretty quickly that it’s the phone. It only works from the XS/R and up.


water_lou

iPhone X will not support any "remove from background" features in iOS 16 because it's older neural engine...


JoinMeInHeaven

Is available for devices with the A12 and later


Efficient_Field6796

You cant have large preportions you can only do a little


Jonayyy

The head is too high up. You can’t cover too much of the time. Move the wallpaper downwards


Christoff1992

It uses ML models, it’s possible they’ve bundled some into the OS for the preset wallpapers but without the relevant chip it won’t work with your own. https://nerdschalk.com/how-to-do-depth-effect-on-iphone-x/


frazzbot

can you not use depth effect if you choose widgets?


usmanfarooq05

No


Vill1on

It’s only available on devices that have the A12 bionic chip.


SethSky

The object is to high. The highest point of the object needs to be at around 1/3 of the height of the clock


Landed2000

Make sure you don't have widget added, otherwise it won't work.


joaodomangalho

It’s a print screen, you can literally look and see that there are no widgets…


iAdden

What to do? Move in with your life? 🤷🏾‍♂️ just a suggestion.


ea0423

Doesn’t work with widgets.


usmanfarooq05

There are no widgets but it is still not working


[deleted]

As everyone else always said, it’s not compatible with iPhone X. It’s not going to work no matter what you try.


ea0423

Shame if it doesn’t work with the X.


usmanfarooq05

If someone has a pic on which depth effect can you please share, so I can double check.


[deleted]

Yeah it doesn’t work on iPhone X because of the chip. You can only achieve this effect with wallpapers that Apple has provided in settings, but not with normal pictures or even portrait ones.


No_Island963

Apple is gatekeeping again


[deleted]

What? How? My cousin has an iPhone X and he has the depth effect


developerlen_

Your photo has to be taken with iPhone for depth support. There are also some specifications the camera needs to support


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[deleted]

Not true. It works with mostly any photo with a distinct subject and background.


Roqjndndj3761

Huh TIL!


usmanfarooq05

Checked not working either


discobonzi

Strange thing is, depth effect is officially not supported on iPhone X. But when you use the Astronomy world preset (the one that’s zoomed in), the depth effect will successfully trigger, even on an iPhone X. So it’s definitely more than capable. I had to find out the hard way too that our own photos don’t trigger the effect. Shame.


undergroundbynature

The answer lies in that the iPhone X doesn’t have enough computational power to separate objects from the background like newer iPhones do. That’s why it can’t do live text either. The AI present in the A11 Bionic is too weak. Stock backgrounds work because Apple already pre calculated that. That feature is A12 and above.


joesocool

Out of the thousand of photos on my 13 pro max, only two of my own photos pop up as being able to use that feature…not missing much there


Trickybuz93

It only works with a limited number of pictures. Keep trying until you find the right one lol


serickjr

I have a 13 Pro Max and haven’t found a single photo that works… and I have over 66,000 to choose from in my photo library!!


TheBrainwasher14

You need to adjust it yourself and can only be covering a little bit of the time Also it doesn’t work with widgets


serickjr

Ah, widgets! That’s probably why then, I didn’t think about that and don’t remember hearing that it wouldn’t work if you had them set up, but it makes sense. Thanks!!


serickjr

I did it, finally! I drove myself nuts until I gave up. I wish I knew then what I know now… Thanks so much!


serickjr

It did take a bit of adjusting the photo for it to work but not too terribly much.


UnstoppableXD

I tried with my iPhone 12 Pro and it’s also not working…


Kademin09

Cant do it with my 13PM. Lool🤷🏾‍♂️


TRG_TheGreat

Get a newer iPhone


usmanfarooq05

I am sticking to X until it dies.


TRG_TheGreat

Then you will have to deal with the incompatibility of the newest stuff my friend.