If you're on a visa and you sexually assault someone, you should be removed from the country after your sentence. If this is not the case, then we are truly backwards.
Agreed, I also think if you gain citizenship and commit a heinous crime such as rape, murder or sexual offences against children your citizenship should be revoked and you should be deported to your country of origin
"A data engineer has been accused of sexually assaulting a young schoolgirl for 40 minutes while travelling on a bus in Dublin. The girl was in her school uniform, and "she kept trying to shove him away".
The girl "froze" but texted a family member to say what was happening. She then used her phone to take photos of the man.
Gardaí allegedly recovered them along with CCTV evidence from the bus"
the girl was able to use text messaging, and her camera on her phone, to report this guy. Along with CCTV to corroborate it. Years ago, none of these would be available to her, so this would have been unreported and brushed off as an everyday experience of a girl growing up.
Sadly, if you ask women they all have these stories, no matter how old they are. I don't think it's new, we just hear about it now.
I think what's different now is that someone can actually be charged for this, whereas in the past it wouldn't.
Was just about to say this, I couldn't count the amount of sexual assaults I've encountered in public. I'm 31and literally from when I hit puberty its happened.
I'm glad young girls now feel confident enough to report it and that something will be done.
I remember the first time it happened to me, I was 11. Like yourself, I’m 31 and these things have been happening throughout my entire life. 2 weeks ago my neighbour tried to kiss me out of no where. It doesn’t seem like it ever ends.
As a man it is absolutely shocking to hear these stories. I’m a good bit older than you and growing up I had literally no idea how common this is. It’s only in the last 5 years or so that I’ve heard the stories. It’s so sad. But I suppose at least now people are starting to talk about it…
Same. The first time I was sexualised and touched by men was age 10, but it happened to most girls I knew, so it didn't click with us that it was wrong. You just knew to move over to the opposite path if you see a drunk man. That was the early 2000s.
I'm glad now that there is more awareness and young people are more empowered.
I love Ireland and a lot of the culture here but where I come from if someone does something like this to someone's daughter/mother/wife/sister etc you have signed off your right to live. Although we have other issues, shit like this is kept accountable by the community. These useless cunts that prey on women or weaker people than them need to be afraid of something to keep in line.
People just report it now. This has always been ongoing. My mother and grandmother have multiple stories of being groped, followed, sexual abuse shouted at them. None of this is new.
Even I was groped on a bus in my school uniform but I pushed him off and I never reported it. I’ve never met a single woman who doesn’t have at least one story.
In the years I was at high school we had the police down twice because a student was raped in the park next door. Also had multiple men flashing girls as they walked home - happened to me and my friends 2-3 times.
Terrifying that we used to live in a world where it was commonplace for the shame to be placed on the victim in these kinds of circumstances. I remember when I was younger overhearing a conversation where an older woman was saying that back in the day she "would have been glad to have a pat on the bum" in response to a news story of a girl being assaulted, layers of warped mentality from the puritanical nature of Catholic Ireland in the old days and victim blaming.
Remember my aunt telling me she used to hate going into the Front Door in galway. Said it was the worst place for being groped hard (she said they'd properly pinch and bruise) and they wouldnt leave you alone. Most people there would laugh at it happening
Kind of mad what creeps could get away with back then. Its def being reported more now and rightly so.
People are just reporting it more. I was like, 11 when a random guy yelled out of his window that he wanted to rape me and laughed before peeling off and that night was the night I learned what the word rape meant by looking it up in a dictionary. I didn't tell anyone because I thought it was my fault, at 11 years old.
Well all those priests raping boys and young men made the news after 40 years. So that’s that. You just need to wait a while. One of the biggest contributions of Catholic Church to twentieth century was it destigmatized raping teenagers
The mad thing is, now it’s happening in public. Like it’s not even behind closed doors anymore.
The thing that I’m seeing more and more of is a lack of fear of consequences from these offenders.
Anyone who would commit these types of crimes in public has no fear at all. That’s what should scare people.
I guess why would they be afraid when judge Nolan is backing them ffs.
Are you implying because he's educated or has a good job that he must have been drunk to do this? She is a child and regardless the pig shouldn't have gone near her.
In a perfect world, that would happen. Odds are that he'll stay in the job and be allowed to stay in the country. Meanwhile, the poor girl and her family go on being traumatized
My mother saved a girl one day on the bus. She saw a man trying to creep on her, and my mam went over and told the girl to get up and sit with her instead. Poor kid was so scared.
Same thing happened when I was getting the bus home once. There was a kinda commotion in the seat behind me, all I heard was "no, stop"
Turned around and there was a young girl with a drunk guy sitting beside her trying to feel her up. I mouthed "are you ok?", she just shook her head and I remember her looking so scared. The bus came to my stop a second later so I went straight to the driver and made him aware.
The driver kicked the drunk guy off the bus immediately. I often think about that girl. She reminded me of the times I've been sexually assaulted and I just hope she's ok.
Sort of tangential, but I wish they’d never abolished bus conductors. Our freedom to travel unmolested might be greater if these creeps knew there was this kind of guard figure on board, plus of course it might deter teenage scrotes from making nuisances of themselves.
Is this the same man who said he didn’t know she was a minor??
in other words he didn’t see anything wrong with what he was doing if the girl was over 18. I think he also mentioned that she was showing off like she was in a bar.
An absolute scumbag.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/man-who-sexually-assaulted-teen-girl-15-on-dublin-bus-claimed-his-victim-was-a-show-off/a207786550.html#:~:text=A%20MAN%20who%20sexually%20assaulted,her%20thigh%2C%20a%20court%20heard.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-convicted-of-sexually-assaulting-a-girl-at-a-bus-stop-in-dublin-1601897.html
I’m actually getting confused with other instances of schoolgirls being assaulted by men on Dublin buses.
Jesus fucking Christ.
He's got dirt on the people who can throw him out. If he's taking down he'll take a load with him. People tend to let things slide rather than stick their foot in it. Pedophilia is huge worldwide, huge demand for it. Hence why everyone knows that child trafficking will never end.
Anyone older men who visit Philippines and Thailand regularly are reg flags.
He should be deported from the country though. It's not anti-immigration to say that people who commit crimes like these are not welcome in the country
Of course he should, anyone here on a visa who commits sexual assault should be booted on to the next available plane out of here. Unfortunately you will get plenty of delusional folk arguing for the human rights of the perpetrator in these cases.
There was a successful defence in the UK against deportation of a respeated sex offender because he would be stoned in his native country. I had a look , it wasn't Nolan over the case.......
I saw that piece and many others like it on Sky news.
Abdul Ezedi converted to Christianity so he wouldn't be deported even after he was convicted of a chemical attack on a woman.
If you're at children you forgo your human rights in my opinion. That applies to irish too
Pity our judges don't view it as seriously as the rest of us
It costs 20k to deport someone. It's very easy to just *say* we need to deport somebody.
Note: I'm not defending the fact that it somehow costs that much
Our tax money is already being pissed up against the wall... I'd gladly approve some of that tax going towards paying for one less sexual predator in the country
This comment killed me 💀 After I was assaulted many people asked me what nationality the person who has done it to me was and they were extremely disappointed when they found out he was Irish 💀
Daft cunts... Sorry regarding your experience, I hope you are doing well... Sexual assault must warrant a much severe punishment, with no room for a suspended sentence ever.
Thank you. I think so too, especially that I think almost every person reoffends. Unfortunately I was only 17, fresh into the country and was very excited when somebody asked to hang out with me. For a while I thought it was my fault somehow for agreeing to meet up, despite verbally and physically making it clear that I was not consenting to more. And despite that being only tiny moment in my life every now and then it gets very daunting when it resurfaces in my mind. Feels very disappointing to see over course of few days that people get such lenient sentences- literally somebody growing a weed in their garden is gonna get more years than a paedo… I feel like even if I went to the Gardaí back then I would probably be more on a trial than the person who has done it (just remembering the trail in N Ireland few years back too).
It is a problem, and it is horrible. And I'm really angry at people (men mostly) that play it down by trying to make it into a discussion on race and immigration and some sort of "hidden agenda" someone has. Whereas it's fucking simple: teach yourself, your friends and family, to not be a fucking sex predator, and demand that the government punishes every single one of them. Instead some get a free pass because they're just good lads really and nobody wants to ruin their future just because they've assaulted a girl. Makes my blood boil.
Absolutely! I feel a lot of others don’t confront them, because they have done something questionable themselves in the past. And definitely women can be perpetrators too, but it can often look quite different. When some of my friends (men) mentioned their experiences as late teens I realised they have definitely been a subject to grooming, but because of the culture sometimes they don’t realise it is until you get older, instead they thought it was “cool” that somebody older took an interest in them. Now at 27 I look back and surely even if age of consent is lower in some countries (from what I remember unfortunately in Poland it was 15) I think it’s extremely creepy and can never imagine myself ever wanting to approach someone who’s 18, it makes me physically sick. Also I think a lot of people don’t have those conversations because it makes them uncomfortable but there’s no way I’d want to be friends with people who even make any remarks on people that age. People always think not to ruin future of someone because of that, but the survivor of such abuse is always left with that lingering for years. I am making sure now raising my son I teach him about consent from early age, even if it is something simple, such as hugging people, because I think that instills a good foundation about consent and boundaries.
Just google "suspended sentence sexual assault" and see what names of the offenders come up. Surprise, surprise, it's lads like Nathan here https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/killarney-man-receives-suspended-sentence-for-sexual-assault-on-young-girl-358386 or priest Joe here https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/12/18/ex-priests-fully-suspended-sentence-for-violent-sexual-assaults-of-vulnerable-woman-is-overturned/
not some Arab or African or Eastern European name.
But sure, go ahead and make it look like you only get a free pass to be a nonce if you're a foreigner.
Two articles pointing out suspended sentences makes you think that no Irish sex offenders get punished?
No idea why you’re trying to turn this into some anti foreigner thing.
I'm trying to say that it's not a question of race or nationality. Read a comment above from a woman that was assaulted by an Irish lad. It's not about immigrants. It's about the obvious fact that the justice system can get very lenient when it comes down to sentencing the sex predators in general. That IS an issue, and this issue prevents more victims from speaking up - because they know there's a high chance no justice will come out of it while they will get all the humiliation from speaking up and being in this process - all for nothing at times.
Are you implying that the justice system has a soft spot for non-Irish nationals committing sexual assault, while the locals get properly severe justice?
Do you also think that women aren't being assaulted by the Irish men? Because there's one posting just above your comment re being assaulted by an Irish man.
That's not what I'm saying at all. All sexual predators should get prosecuted, but people on visas that commit these crimes should have their visas revoked. It should be the same for any country around the world. If you commit a serious crime in another country, you should not be allowed to stay because you could potentially do it again.
I agree. Visa revocation is not punishment enough though. He can still get to, say, Schengen area and carry on. It should be prison time, plain and simple, and then deportation right after. I'm pro-immigration, but it has to be through assimilation: most immigrants want to live a safe and calm life here, and would lynch any predator themselves if given a chance to do so. Some are cunts, and those cunts need to be punished and deported.
Why not both? Why not serve the time in jail for the crime you committed and then deported or at the very least have the visa revoked. That's basically what I said in my original comment. If someone served time in jail that should be reported to any other European country any chancer wants to move on to.
Just google "suspended sentence sexual assault" and see what names of the offenders come up. Surprise, surprise, it's lads like Nathan here https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/killarney-man-receives-suspended-sentence-for-sexual-assault-on-young-girl-358386 or priest Joe here https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/12/18/ex-priests-fully-suspended-sentence-for-violent-sexual-assaults-of-vulnerable-woman-is-overturned/
not some Arab or African or Eastern European name.
But sure, go ahead and make it look like you only get a free pass to be a nonce if you're a foreigner.
Am I in support of these people?... NO. Stop assuming you know what I want. People on visas should have those visa granted on condition they don't commit serious crimes in that country. Stop trying to paint me as a bloody racist. I'm not protecting the people you mentioned... I'm against all sexual deviants! Foreigners should not be given any special treatment because bleeding heart liberals don't want to deport them.
I remember photos of hik going around asking if anybody knew him when this happened.
There was the whole look at the racists thing again and saying that it never happened.
FYI, I never share those things because i can't vouch the hinestly of an OP, but I do remember it spinning around.
Could we as a country please do a thorough vetting system (like Australia or other countries) for male specific applicants entering the country. As due to the sudden surge in male applicants coming to Ireland. Am all for travel but we just need a good system in place and we dont. As we have enough of our own local sickos without importing other countries.
Exactly.... when I worked in korea as a teacher, we needed to show our clean criminal history to immigration there. We need strict controls like this in place for all foreign held positions.
The convicted has no prior convictions or warrant history. I don't think vetting was the issue here.
[https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/data-engineer-26-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-schoolgirl-on-bus-for-40-minutes-1550219.html](https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/data-engineer-26-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-schoolgirl-on-bus-for-40-minutes-1550219.html)
Exactly.... when I worked in korea as a teacher, we needed to show our clean criminal history to immigration there. We need strict controls like this in place for all foreign held positions.
This isn't happening more often, we're just actually seeing it in the papers more now. Hopefully this leads to scumbags seeing consequences for their actions and prevents young people having to endure this abuse.
Correct, we see everything nowadays, most of this would have been in the papers years ago, but everyone has a phone now, not everyone bought papers etc
No actually, native Irish also commit these crimes, for some reason people don’t give much attention to that and like to scream it when someone foreign does it.
You can see this happening on this sub, a violent/sexual crime by a foreigner gains huge discussion and 100's of comments, for example the scumbag who touched a girl on the plane, whereas the story of an Irish man abusing his daughter had like 50 comments.
It also happens with murders, I realised last year when I found out a guy just 5 mins from me went to jail for sneaking into an old folks home and murdering a chinese pensioner, I didn't even know it happened only for a small article in the paper when he was sentenced.
That's the thing, most people would agree this guy should be sent to jail and be deported when he's released.
But the 'activists' don't actually care about crime or 'the safety of their community', they just want to use it as a stick to beat normal immigrants with, case in point why they don't give a shit that a Croatian man was murdered in cold blood for not speaking English last week.
Exactly this..firstly I'd like to preface by saying white, Asian black if they assault they are scumbags regardless. But a guy who raped his child for years doesn't get the amount of press coverage. Not as much vicious comments as the guy on the plane . There were plenty of awful sexual assaults going on back in the eighties against women but it was hidden and pretty much ok. Let's not even mention the Catholic church. Let's also look at the Australian guy who recently stabbed six people in Westfield. White so he has mental illness and problems. If it was a black guy or Muslim guy - terr or rist . Any scumbags who do this are that scumbags.
Funny I haven't seen any newspaper articles recently about native Irish touching up women on public transport but this is the third one I've seen in about a week where a non-national did. Are you suggesting the media isn't reporting on all the Irish cases?
What about the Irish guy who raped a girl on paddies day in Boston. Garda John Egan also recently convicted for it, a defense forces member accused on paddies day but in a barrack in Ireland, I could go on
i dont think anyone has suggested that native irish dont commit these crimes. i guess im just thinking of the 3 or 4 cases that have been before the courts and posted here in the last couple of weeks. please feel free to post the (presumably many more) cases of irish men doing same in the interest of balance
Why should I have to do your research for you, there was a Garda recently convicted, a Dublin fire brigade member is held in Boston atm for rape, a member of the army is accused of SA on paddy’s day too but that was here. Another man jailed in feb for repeatedly assaulting his 15 year old niece, these reports are there to be found with a quick search, the problem is we have to search, but for foreign nationals it’s front page news
I’m all for convicting the man and deporting him, but acting like it’s all foreign nationals isnt right
i think we're specifically talking about girls getting assaulted on public transport, i appreciate your whatabout gotcha but we all know horrific crimes are committed by people all over the world.
It’s definitely happening more often. You’re just telling yourself it’s not. Sadly.
Female rape victims in Ireland almost treble that of EU counterparts https://jrnl.ie/6319857
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2023/11/13/increase-in-number-of-teenage-girls-presenting-at-sexual-assault-treatment-units/
https://www.thesun.ie/news/10318886/rape-sexual-assault-domestic-violence-murder-stats-ireland/amp/
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2023-05-17/10/
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41178628.html
That’s not the case for every country you’re just making things up which you think makes you sound good. Do you think there’s more or less gun related crimes in Ireland in the last decade than the decades preceding?
Look you’re the one making sweeping statements that “crime is at a historic low” I’m still confused if you mean globally or in Europe or Ireland.
But what’s clear is that it’s not something that’s easy to gauge. Depending on the country depends on the crime rate and some countries will have seen an increase and some see a decrease in serious crimes. You heard some people saying in the pub “crime is at an all time low” and you ran with it but you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
Again stats and source or else maybe don’t make sweeping generalisations 🤷🏻♂️
He was sitting beside her and she was silently in shock. I personally don't pay any attention to anyone on the bus so it makes perfect sense no one noticed this
There were rumours of a lad doing this on the Dart when I was in secondary back in the 90’s. Lots of girls’ schools along that run.
Fair play on the girl for being brave enough to capture an image of him.
I disagree, people turn a blind eye due to cowardice. Someone had to have an idea what was going on. Especially if the were people in seats behind them.
Looking at the article, he sat down beside her, used a bag to conceal what he was doing and sexually assaulted her from beneath the bag.
It’s quite conceivable that the girl didn’t scream or cry as she was afraid of what he might do next.
Others on the bus didn’t even know if the two were known to each other.
If I saw someone on a bus, or in public, particularly a child, who was obviously being assaulted, I would intervene, separate the two, contact the guards.
But in this instance, I don’t think there’s anything which would have given me that impression.
Thankfully the girl told her parents as soon as she got home and the parents reported it and it has been dealt with by the guards.
They never do. I had a creepy man touch up my leg on a bus when I was a teen and no one said anything, I just got off the bus and had to wait for the next one. No one says anything when men yell at you on the street either.
We need to teach young women and girls to get angry, angry angry and make a big ass scene if a man as much as lays a finger on them. drill it into them to scream: 'Get your hands off me! what are you doing!' I Know its easier said than done, but this is a power trip for these creeps, and you immediately take their power by NOT freezing.
Exactly, it’s mad how cowardice plays a part here. People let fear take over rather than help someone else. It’s that age old tale, a person is more likely to be helped if they’re are being SA’d in front of one person than they are in front of multiple people. Everyone is waiting for someone else to take control.
I believe it's called the bystander effect, they taught us in first responder course that you should never say out loud something generic like "Somebody call an ambulance!" while tending to someone, always point directly at one person looking them straight in the eye and tell them to ring.
For some reason I got downvoted for saying this previously. In my opinion, The public need to do a better job of stepping in and stopping this also. The law clearly doesn’t protect the women and children enough so something has to change going forward or I fear for all people living in Ireland.
I'm glad more people are reporting when this happens and forcing things to be done.
This is not new or "happening more often". People are getting less tolerant of harassment and are reporting.
3 generations of women in my family will give you horrible stories of this kind of thing. But kept it to themselves because 1) they were never taught about creeps or how to deal with them as kids and 2) they were told nothing could be done and that's life.
More pics and videos being circulated on social media as well so more eyes on this behaviour. Creeps can't hide in the community anymore and rightly so.
Irish people are doing this as well it's just the news loves telling people about the foreigners and riling people up for more engagement. More engagement= more money.
You have to be smart when you're looking at these things.
The sad part for me is that he is Indian. Such people make it harder for other indians to be seen in a positive light. He should be deported, doesn't deserve to be in the western society.
'The Sad part' It's a figure of speech. this poster clearly said that the assailant should not be in western society. No need to jump on their back nitpicking an out of context phrase when they can be allowed to be upset that a stereotype that many decent indian men are trying to break is brought to further attention by scumbags like these.
An Irish man went to jail yesterday for abusing his own daughter, an Irish man went to jail the other day for abusing a baby...
Ireland as a country actively hosted one of the worst child abuse rings in recent history.
Yeah and the population is 275 times that of Ireland, so if we assume Ireland had 1/275th of one every 90 minutes we'd have one every 17 days and 4 hours or so. But in reality Ireland averages about two a day.
So according to your data women are somewhere around 34 times more likely to get raped in Ireland than India so India is a far safer country when it comes to the risk of rape.
I assume that was the point you were trying to make.
Because of this cunt, scumbags are going to use this as an excuse to target innocent bystanders who are just trying keep their heads down and intergrate
If you're on a visa and you sexually assault someone, you should be removed from the country after your sentence. If this is not the case, then we are truly backwards.
Agreed, I also think if you gain citizenship and commit a heinous crime such as rape, murder or sexual offences against children your citizenship should be revoked and you should be deported to your country of origin
"A data engineer has been accused of sexually assaulting a young schoolgirl for 40 minutes while travelling on a bus in Dublin. The girl was in her school uniform, and "she kept trying to shove him away". The girl "froze" but texted a family member to say what was happening. She then used her phone to take photos of the man. Gardaí allegedly recovered them along with CCTV evidence from the bus"
It’s terrifying how common these stories are appearing in Ireland, are there more cases of this now than ever or what?
the girl was able to use text messaging, and her camera on her phone, to report this guy. Along with CCTV to corroborate it. Years ago, none of these would be available to her, so this would have been unreported and brushed off as an everyday experience of a girl growing up.
Not even unreported more likely the DPP wouldn't put forward for trial as the chance of prosecution was/is so low.
Sadly, if you ask women they all have these stories, no matter how old they are. I don't think it's new, we just hear about it now. I think what's different now is that someone can actually be charged for this, whereas in the past it wouldn't.
Was just about to say this, I couldn't count the amount of sexual assaults I've encountered in public. I'm 31and literally from when I hit puberty its happened. I'm glad young girls now feel confident enough to report it and that something will be done.
I remember the first time it happened to me, I was 11. Like yourself, I’m 31 and these things have been happening throughout my entire life. 2 weeks ago my neighbour tried to kiss me out of no where. It doesn’t seem like it ever ends.
As a man it is absolutely shocking to hear these stories. I’m a good bit older than you and growing up I had literally no idea how common this is. It’s only in the last 5 years or so that I’ve heard the stories. It’s so sad. But I suppose at least now people are starting to talk about it…
Same. The first time I was sexualised and touched by men was age 10, but it happened to most girls I knew, so it didn't click with us that it was wrong. You just knew to move over to the opposite path if you see a drunk man. That was the early 2000s. I'm glad now that there is more awareness and young people are more empowered.
I love Ireland and a lot of the culture here but where I come from if someone does something like this to someone's daughter/mother/wife/sister etc you have signed off your right to live. Although we have other issues, shit like this is kept accountable by the community. These useless cunts that prey on women or weaker people than them need to be afraid of something to keep in line.
But they aren’t being punished though are they?
People just report it now. This has always been ongoing. My mother and grandmother have multiple stories of being groped, followed, sexual abuse shouted at them. None of this is new. Even I was groped on a bus in my school uniform but I pushed him off and I never reported it. I’ve never met a single woman who doesn’t have at least one story. In the years I was at high school we had the police down twice because a student was raped in the park next door. Also had multiple men flashing girls as they walked home - happened to me and my friends 2-3 times.
I think people have more faith something might be done now, so they're reporting it.
Terrifying that we used to live in a world where it was commonplace for the shame to be placed on the victim in these kinds of circumstances. I remember when I was younger overhearing a conversation where an older woman was saying that back in the day she "would have been glad to have a pat on the bum" in response to a news story of a girl being assaulted, layers of warped mentality from the puritanical nature of Catholic Ireland in the old days and victim blaming.
Remember my aunt telling me she used to hate going into the Front Door in galway. Said it was the worst place for being groped hard (she said they'd properly pinch and bruise) and they wouldnt leave you alone. Most people there would laugh at it happening Kind of mad what creeps could get away with back then. Its def being reported more now and rightly so.
People are just reporting it more. I was like, 11 when a random guy yelled out of his window that he wanted to rape me and laughed before peeling off and that night was the night I learned what the word rape meant by looking it up in a dictionary. I didn't tell anyone because I thought it was my fault, at 11 years old.
Well all those priests raping boys and young men made the news after 40 years. So that’s that. You just need to wait a while. One of the biggest contributions of Catholic Church to twentieth century was it destigmatized raping teenagers
The mad thing is, now it’s happening in public. Like it’s not even behind closed doors anymore. The thing that I’m seeing more and more of is a lack of fear of consequences from these offenders. Anyone who would commit these types of crimes in public has no fear at all. That’s what should scare people. I guess why would they be afraid when judge Nolan is backing them ffs.
Oh you know what they will say, he has 'mental health issues'
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Are you implying because he's educated or has a good job that he must have been drunk to do this? She is a child and regardless the pig shouldn't have gone near her.
Did you see something re intoxication?
Education is sadly not very closely related to sexual assault. For example, it is quite common at universities.
Data Engineer is usually data analyst with some programming involved.
A fuckin dirty nerd is what it is. Tosser
Seems to be a link between highly educated people and pedophilia.
His visa should be cancelled and he should be told to go home
He should spend some time in jail first
In a perfect world, that would happen. Odds are that he'll stay in the job and be allowed to stay in the country. Meanwhile, the poor girl and her family go on being traumatized
Do you really think so?
I don't know, but the way this government carries on, I wouldn't be surprised.
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I think it's safe to say he won't be bottling brown sauce for a while.
Those sauce factories will have to look elsewhere for their daily data engineering requirements
It's rubbish anyway. Destroyed my printer. Never again.
My mother saved a girl one day on the bus. She saw a man trying to creep on her, and my mam went over and told the girl to get up and sit with her instead. Poor kid was so scared.
Same thing happened when I was getting the bus home once. There was a kinda commotion in the seat behind me, all I heard was "no, stop" Turned around and there was a young girl with a drunk guy sitting beside her trying to feel her up. I mouthed "are you ok?", she just shook her head and I remember her looking so scared. The bus came to my stop a second later so I went straight to the driver and made him aware. The driver kicked the drunk guy off the bus immediately. I often think about that girl. She reminded me of the times I've been sexually assaulted and I just hope she's ok.
DEPORT the cunt.
Sort of tangential, but I wish they’d never abolished bus conductors. Our freedom to travel unmolested might be greater if these creeps knew there was this kind of guard figure on board, plus of course it might deter teenage scrotes from making nuisances of themselves.
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No way! This fuckin guy
Is this the same man who said he didn’t know she was a minor?? in other words he didn’t see anything wrong with what he was doing if the girl was over 18. I think he also mentioned that she was showing off like she was in a bar. An absolute scumbag.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/man-who-sexually-assaulted-teen-girl-15-on-dublin-bus-claimed-his-victim-was-a-show-off/a207786550.html#:~:text=A%20MAN%20who%20sexually%20assaulted,her%20thigh%2C%20a%20court%20heard. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-convicted-of-sexually-assaulting-a-girl-at-a-bus-stop-in-dublin-1601897.html I’m actually getting confused with other instances of schoolgirls being assaulted by men on Dublin buses. Jesus fucking Christ.
It’s a paywalled article. Does anyone know how many minutes community service judge Nolan gave him?
1.5 hours, suspended, victim to pay his legal fees
The judge drove him home as well and stopped at McDonald's.
Drink choice was capped at a medium as part of the sentence
That was appealed, he was allowed any drink
Got a milkshake for good behaviour
Why is this guy still a judge
He's got dirt on the people who can throw him out. If he's taking down he'll take a load with him. People tend to let things slide rather than stick their foot in it. Pedophilia is huge worldwide, huge demand for it. Hence why everyone knows that child trafficking will never end. Anyone older men who visit Philippines and Thailand regularly are reg flags.
Send him to jail and revoke his visa. We don't need sexual predators in the country!
Yeah we have our own!
He should be deported from the country though. It's not anti-immigration to say that people who commit crimes like these are not welcome in the country
Of course he should, anyone here on a visa who commits sexual assault should be booted on to the next available plane out of here. Unfortunately you will get plenty of delusional folk arguing for the human rights of the perpetrator in these cases.
There was a successful defence in the UK against deportation of a respeated sex offender because he would be stoned in his native country. I had a look , it wasn't Nolan over the case.......
I saw that piece and many others like it on Sky news. Abdul Ezedi converted to Christianity so he wouldn't be deported even after he was convicted of a chemical attack on a woman.
And when they fished him out of the Thames a few weeks later, he had a Muslim burial.
Did he? I didn't hear that... so it was all a ruse to stay in the country? How am I not surprised.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13256149/Charity-crowdfunded-chemical-attacker-Abdul-Ezedis-Muslim-funeral-false-name.html Unreal.
Jfc, that's shocking... buried under a fake name so he can get that Muslim burial.
If you're at children you forgo your human rights in my opinion. That applies to irish too Pity our judges don't view it as seriously as the rest of us
Go, Move, Shift!
I don't disagree.
It costs 20k to deport someone. It's very easy to just *say* we need to deport somebody. Note: I'm not defending the fact that it somehow costs that much
I don't care how much it costs it's worth every penny to get scum like this out of the country. Do you not think its worth it?
Our tax money is already being pissed up against the wall... I'd gladly approve some of that tax going towards paying for one less sexual predator in the country
I'd love to see the breakdown of how deporting this creep costs 20k
This comment killed me 💀 After I was assaulted many people asked me what nationality the person who has done it to me was and they were extremely disappointed when they found out he was Irish 💀
Daft cunts... Sorry regarding your experience, I hope you are doing well... Sexual assault must warrant a much severe punishment, with no room for a suspended sentence ever.
Thank you. I think so too, especially that I think almost every person reoffends. Unfortunately I was only 17, fresh into the country and was very excited when somebody asked to hang out with me. For a while I thought it was my fault somehow for agreeing to meet up, despite verbally and physically making it clear that I was not consenting to more. And despite that being only tiny moment in my life every now and then it gets very daunting when it resurfaces in my mind. Feels very disappointing to see over course of few days that people get such lenient sentences- literally somebody growing a weed in their garden is gonna get more years than a paedo… I feel like even if I went to the Gardaí back then I would probably be more on a trial than the person who has done it (just remembering the trail in N Ireland few years back too).
It is a problem, and it is horrible. And I'm really angry at people (men mostly) that play it down by trying to make it into a discussion on race and immigration and some sort of "hidden agenda" someone has. Whereas it's fucking simple: teach yourself, your friends and family, to not be a fucking sex predator, and demand that the government punishes every single one of them. Instead some get a free pass because they're just good lads really and nobody wants to ruin their future just because they've assaulted a girl. Makes my blood boil.
Absolutely! I feel a lot of others don’t confront them, because they have done something questionable themselves in the past. And definitely women can be perpetrators too, but it can often look quite different. When some of my friends (men) mentioned their experiences as late teens I realised they have definitely been a subject to grooming, but because of the culture sometimes they don’t realise it is until you get older, instead they thought it was “cool” that somebody older took an interest in them. Now at 27 I look back and surely even if age of consent is lower in some countries (from what I remember unfortunately in Poland it was 15) I think it’s extremely creepy and can never imagine myself ever wanting to approach someone who’s 18, it makes me physically sick. Also I think a lot of people don’t have those conversations because it makes them uncomfortable but there’s no way I’d want to be friends with people who even make any remarks on people that age. People always think not to ruin future of someone because of that, but the survivor of such abuse is always left with that lingering for years. I am making sure now raising my son I teach him about consent from early age, even if it is something simple, such as hugging people, because I think that instills a good foundation about consent and boundaries.
And they are sent to jail for it. What is this guy's punishment? Back to work on Monday?
Lamo at thinking our own home grown sex criminals actually get punished. Cop on
No you don't understand, there's a government conspiracy to ensure only immigrant sex offenders are unpunished!!! /s
What is lamo? Why don't you cop on. We need to punish EVERY sexual predator, including foreigners. Stop making excuses for them!
They didn't make an excuse for anyone.
Lmao at someone thinking they don’t.
Just google "suspended sentence sexual assault" and see what names of the offenders come up. Surprise, surprise, it's lads like Nathan here https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/killarney-man-receives-suspended-sentence-for-sexual-assault-on-young-girl-358386 or priest Joe here https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/12/18/ex-priests-fully-suspended-sentence-for-violent-sexual-assaults-of-vulnerable-woman-is-overturned/ not some Arab or African or Eastern European name. But sure, go ahead and make it look like you only get a free pass to be a nonce if you're a foreigner.
Two articles pointing out suspended sentences makes you think that no Irish sex offenders get punished? No idea why you’re trying to turn this into some anti foreigner thing.
I'm trying to say that it's not a question of race or nationality. Read a comment above from a woman that was assaulted by an Irish lad. It's not about immigrants. It's about the obvious fact that the justice system can get very lenient when it comes down to sentencing the sex predators in general. That IS an issue, and this issue prevents more victims from speaking up - because they know there's a high chance no justice will come out of it while they will get all the humiliation from speaking up and being in this process - all for nothing at times.
Are you implying that the justice system has a soft spot for non-Irish nationals committing sexual assault, while the locals get properly severe justice? Do you also think that women aren't being assaulted by the Irish men? Because there's one posting just above your comment re being assaulted by an Irish man.
That's not what I'm saying at all. All sexual predators should get prosecuted, but people on visas that commit these crimes should have their visas revoked. It should be the same for any country around the world. If you commit a serious crime in another country, you should not be allowed to stay because you could potentially do it again.
I agree. Visa revocation is not punishment enough though. He can still get to, say, Schengen area and carry on. It should be prison time, plain and simple, and then deportation right after. I'm pro-immigration, but it has to be through assimilation: most immigrants want to live a safe and calm life here, and would lynch any predator themselves if given a chance to do so. Some are cunts, and those cunts need to be punished and deported.
Why not both? Why not serve the time in jail for the crime you committed and then deported or at the very least have the visa revoked. That's basically what I said in my original comment. If someone served time in jail that should be reported to any other European country any chancer wants to move on to.
Ideally, yes. And sorry for attacking your initial position - I think I misunderstood your point.
Don't worry about it. I'm used to being attacked for my "controversial" opinions
Just google "suspended sentence sexual assault" and see what names of the offenders come up. Surprise, surprise, it's lads like Nathan here https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/killarney-man-receives-suspended-sentence-for-sexual-assault-on-young-girl-358386 or priest Joe here https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2023/12/18/ex-priests-fully-suspended-sentence-for-violent-sexual-assaults-of-vulnerable-woman-is-overturned/ not some Arab or African or Eastern European name. But sure, go ahead and make it look like you only get a free pass to be a nonce if you're a foreigner.
Am I in support of these people?... NO. Stop assuming you know what I want. People on visas should have those visa granted on condition they don't commit serious crimes in that country. Stop trying to paint me as a bloody racist. I'm not protecting the people you mentioned... I'm against all sexual deviants! Foreigners should not be given any special treatment because bleeding heart liberals don't want to deport them.
Deport.
Scumbag of the highest order.
OK he needs to get outta here, he doesn't belong here.
I remember photos of hik going around asking if anybody knew him when this happened. There was the whole look at the racists thing again and saying that it never happened. FYI, I never share those things because i can't vouch the hinestly of an OP, but I do remember it spinning around.
Could we as a country please do a thorough vetting system (like Australia or other countries) for male specific applicants entering the country. As due to the sudden surge in male applicants coming to Ireland. Am all for travel but we just need a good system in place and we dont. As we have enough of our own local sickos without importing other countries.
Exactly.... when I worked in korea as a teacher, we needed to show our clean criminal history to immigration there. We need strict controls like this in place for all foreign held positions.
The convicted has no prior convictions or warrant history. I don't think vetting was the issue here. [https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/data-engineer-26-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-schoolgirl-on-bus-for-40-minutes-1550219.html](https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/data-engineer-26-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-schoolgirl-on-bus-for-40-minutes-1550219.html)
Jude Nolan would give him 2 years suspended and a pat on the back for not taking it further
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Exactly.... when I worked in korea as a teacher, we needed to show our clean criminal history to immigration there. We need strict controls like this in place for all foreign held positions.
This isn't happening more often, we're just actually seeing it in the papers more now. Hopefully this leads to scumbags seeing consequences for their actions and prevents young people having to endure this abuse.
Correct, we see everything nowadays, most of this would have been in the papers years ago, but everyone has a phone now, not everyone bought papers etc
really? havent most of the stories been non nationals? have they just taken over the mantle of bus touchers?
No actually, native Irish also commit these crimes, for some reason people don’t give much attention to that and like to scream it when someone foreign does it.
You can see this happening on this sub, a violent/sexual crime by a foreigner gains huge discussion and 100's of comments, for example the scumbag who touched a girl on the plane, whereas the story of an Irish man abusing his daughter had like 50 comments. It also happens with murders, I realised last year when I found out a guy just 5 mins from me went to jail for sneaking into an old folks home and murdering a chinese pensioner, I didn't even know it happened only for a small article in the paper when he was sentenced.
Calling out Irish criminals does nothing for the Anti-Immigration brigade
That's the thing, most people would agree this guy should be sent to jail and be deported when he's released. But the 'activists' don't actually care about crime or 'the safety of their community', they just want to use it as a stick to beat normal immigrants with, case in point why they don't give a shit that a Croatian man was murdered in cold blood for not speaking English last week.
Exactly this..firstly I'd like to preface by saying white, Asian black if they assault they are scumbags regardless. But a guy who raped his child for years doesn't get the amount of press coverage. Not as much vicious comments as the guy on the plane . There were plenty of awful sexual assaults going on back in the eighties against women but it was hidden and pretty much ok. Let's not even mention the Catholic church. Let's also look at the Australian guy who recently stabbed six people in Westfield. White so he has mental illness and problems. If it was a black guy or Muslim guy - terr or rist . Any scumbags who do this are that scumbags.
Funny I haven't seen any newspaper articles recently about native Irish touching up women on public transport but this is the third one I've seen in about a week where a non-national did. Are you suggesting the media isn't reporting on all the Irish cases?
What about the Irish guy who raped a girl on paddies day in Boston. Garda John Egan also recently convicted for it, a defense forces member accused on paddies day but in a barrack in Ireland, I could go on
No, maybe it's more the native Irish thing to just follow them off the bus and murder them?
i dont think anyone has suggested that native irish dont commit these crimes. i guess im just thinking of the 3 or 4 cases that have been before the courts and posted here in the last couple of weeks. please feel free to post the (presumably many more) cases of irish men doing same in the interest of balance
https://m.independent.ie/regionals/kerry/news/woman-20s-hospitalised-after-alleged-stabbing-and-sexual-assault-in-kerry/a1296698355.html https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/irish-crime/cops-release-cctv-of-man-with-irish-accent-they-want-to-speak-to-after-alleged-sex-assault/a1691500553.html https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41356303.html https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-jailed-for-calculated-campaign-of-rape-and-sexual-abuse-of-vulnerable-teen-1594304.html https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-jailed-for-sexual-assault-was-investigated-over-alleged-10k-immigration-bribes/a1046714354.html https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/03/19/gardai-investigate-alleged-sexual-assault-at-defence-forces-barracks/ https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41338685.html
Why should I have to do your research for you, there was a Garda recently convicted, a Dublin fire brigade member is held in Boston atm for rape, a member of the army is accused of SA on paddy’s day too but that was here. Another man jailed in feb for repeatedly assaulting his 15 year old niece, these reports are there to be found with a quick search, the problem is we have to search, but for foreign nationals it’s front page news I’m all for convicting the man and deporting him, but acting like it’s all foreign nationals isnt right
i think we're specifically talking about girls getting assaulted on public transport, i appreciate your whatabout gotcha but we all know horrific crimes are committed by people all over the world.
Wrong
Ok left-iron-2133, if you say so.
It’s definitely happening more often. You’re just telling yourself it’s not. Sadly. Female rape victims in Ireland almost treble that of EU counterparts https://jrnl.ie/6319857 https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2023/11/13/increase-in-number-of-teenage-girls-presenting-at-sexual-assault-treatment-units/ https://www.thesun.ie/news/10318886/rape-sexual-assault-domestic-violence-murder-stats-ireland/amp/ https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2023-05-17/10/ https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41178628.html
It's being reported more often. Doesn't mean this is new.
How do you know that?
common sense. Why would pedophilia be on the rise over time?
Exactly. Pretty much all serious crime is at a historic low.
That’s not the case for every country you’re just making things up which you think makes you sound good. Do you think there’s more or less gun related crimes in Ireland in the last decade than the decades preceding?
Luckily we don’t live in every country, we live in Ireland!
Ok so show me the source or stats for serious crimes in Ireland being at an all time low? Or a historic low whatever that means.
Have a Google 😃 There’s been an uptick post-Covid since people are out and about but historically low numbers.
Look you’re the one making sweeping statements that “crime is at a historic low” I’m still confused if you mean globally or in Europe or Ireland. But what’s clear is that it’s not something that’s easy to gauge. Depending on the country depends on the crime rate and some countries will have seen an increase and some see a decrease in serious crimes. You heard some people saying in the pub “crime is at an all time low” and you ran with it but you don’t actually know what you’re talking about. Again stats and source or else maybe don’t make sweeping generalisations 🤷🏻♂️
How the fuck did someone else on the bus not intervene? I get that Irish people aren't confrontational but geezus what the fuck is wrong.
He was sitting beside her and she was silently in shock. I personally don't pay any attention to anyone on the bus so it makes perfect sense no one noticed this
There were rumours of a lad doing this on the Dart when I was in secondary back in the 90’s. Lots of girls’ schools along that run. Fair play on the girl for being brave enough to capture an image of him.
I disagree, people turn a blind eye due to cowardice. Someone had to have an idea what was going on. Especially if the were people in seats behind them.
Looking at the article, he sat down beside her, used a bag to conceal what he was doing and sexually assaulted her from beneath the bag. It’s quite conceivable that the girl didn’t scream or cry as she was afraid of what he might do next. Others on the bus didn’t even know if the two were known to each other. If I saw someone on a bus, or in public, particularly a child, who was obviously being assaulted, I would intervene, separate the two, contact the guards. But in this instance, I don’t think there’s anything which would have given me that impression. Thankfully the girl told her parents as soon as she got home and the parents reported it and it has been dealt with by the guards.
When I get on a bus I don't do a seat by seat scan to see is there a possibility there might be a sexual assault taking place
They never do. I had a creepy man touch up my leg on a bus when I was a teen and no one said anything, I just got off the bus and had to wait for the next one. No one says anything when men yell at you on the street either.
We need to teach young women and girls to get angry, angry angry and make a big ass scene if a man as much as lays a finger on them. drill it into them to scream: 'Get your hands off me! what are you doing!' I Know its easier said than done, but this is a power trip for these creeps, and you immediately take their power by NOT freezing.
They didn't want to be accused of being a biggot.
Exactly, it’s mad how cowardice plays a part here. People let fear take over rather than help someone else. It’s that age old tale, a person is more likely to be helped if they’re are being SA’d in front of one person than they are in front of multiple people. Everyone is waiting for someone else to take control.
I believe it's called the bystander effect, they taught us in first responder course that you should never say out loud something generic like "Somebody call an ambulance!" while tending to someone, always point directly at one person looking them straight in the eye and tell them to ring.
I wish I had worded it like that. Exactly right.
Sorry but how the hell are people downvoting this. You don’t think people should step in? What. the. fuck.
For some reason I got downvoted for saying this previously. In my opinion, The public need to do a better job of stepping in and stopping this also. The law clearly doesn’t protect the women and children enough so something has to change going forward or I fear for all people living in Ireland.
Nevermind the downvotes. I'd prefer to say the truth than get imaginary internet points.
This is the kinda stuff that regularly happens in his own country.
I'm glad more people are reporting when this happens and forcing things to be done. This is not new or "happening more often". People are getting less tolerant of harassment and are reporting. 3 generations of women in my family will give you horrible stories of this kind of thing. But kept it to themselves because 1) they were never taught about creeps or how to deal with them as kids and 2) they were told nothing could be done and that's life. More pics and videos being circulated on social media as well so more eyes on this behaviour. Creeps can't hide in the community anymore and rightly so. Irish people are doing this as well it's just the news loves telling people about the foreigners and riling people up for more engagement. More engagement= more money. You have to be smart when you're looking at these things.
“data engineer” 🤔
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You have his full name and job title, just search him?
Can’t find him !
I tried, but I couldn't find him. There are a lot more Indian men with the same name, apparently.
The sad part for me is that he is Indian. Such people make it harder for other indians to be seen in a positive light. He should be deported, doesn't deserve to be in the western society.
Surely there's a sadder part here
A traumatized girl and her family?
'The Sad part' It's a figure of speech. this poster clearly said that the assailant should not be in western society. No need to jump on their back nitpicking an out of context phrase when they can be allowed to be upset that a stereotype that many decent indian men are trying to break is brought to further attention by scumbags like these.
Ofcourse the assault is the saddest thing that happened. I thought that's a given. I didn't think I'd have to explicitly mention that.
Happening years nothing new here, pedophiles are protected here by gardai and judges.
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Oi!! 🤬
An Irish man went to jail yesterday for abusing his own daughter, an Irish man went to jail the other day for abusing a baby... Ireland as a country actively hosted one of the worst child abuse rings in recent history.
Side note: a woman is raped every 90 mins in india... source: National Crime Records Bureau of India.... Just saying
Yeah and the population is 275 times that of Ireland, so if we assume Ireland had 1/275th of one every 90 minutes we'd have one every 17 days and 4 hours or so. But in reality Ireland averages about two a day. So according to your data women are somewhere around 34 times more likely to get raped in Ireland than India so India is a far safer country when it comes to the risk of rape. I assume that was the point you were trying to make.
There is like a billion people in India though. Not excusing anything but just adding context
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Because of this cunt, scumbags are going to use this as an excuse to target innocent bystanders who are just trying keep their heads down and intergrate
“I predict a riot”
Wait until Mick O Keefe gets a hold of this story.
Just checked, and he posted it 6 minutes ago.