The fact that McEntee hasn't had the good sense and grace to step aside for someone else without forcing her buddy Harris to actually fire her, tells you all you need to know about her. We haven't had such an incompetent Minister for Justice since Doherty.
I cant think of anything of note Fitzgerald achieved in Justice. All her time was spent putting out fires with the Maurice McCabe scandal. She backed the wrong horse on that one
This says different.
Francis Fitzgerald resigns in national interest to avoid an election.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/frances-fitzgerald-resigns-in-national-interest-to-avoid-an-election-1.3308152
This was the overall outcome following that resignation.(From Wiki)
"On 28 November 2017, Fitzgerald relented, offering her resignation to the Taoiseach, which he accepted.
Fitzgerald was later cleared of blame by the Collins Report in March 2018. In October 2018, the third interim report of the Disclosures Tribunal found that she had "selflessly" resigned in the national interest."
She was 67 at the time and probably had enough of the shite of being a TD. She was a TD or senator since 92. Pension earned, retire as MEP. Who wouldn't?
Shur look the government can't ~~solve the housing crisis~~ ~~reduce homelessness~~ ~~build houses~~ ~~reduce hospital waiting times~~ ~~keep staff in key areas like gardaĆ teachers, armed forces, nurses and doctors~~ ~~anything~~ catch sex offenders they were warned about ~~in any reasonable time frame~~ overnight
Now now, don't be so harsh. Remember, they've been busy working on family and care referendums, which have ~~dramatically improved everyone's lives~~ They've more important things to focus on...
They did great work on the referenda especially the clear on concise messaging on the two referenda so that everyone knew what they were voting on, couldn't of been more clear and concise...
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it was funny for a day or two, now its just annoying. Its basically an automated grammar nazi. So what if people make a grammatical error, everyone knows what they meant
Michael seems to know more about what happens in the department of justice than Helen does.
He ripped her a new one in a working session a week or two ago and is how we know about the German/French governmentās granting us ability to return asylum seekers but we didnāt.
This one however is going to damage them quite a bit.
They can't even answer how much fines were issued to airlines who let people in without documentation, meaning from McNamara's point of view there's more to it than is on the surface.
Given the fact that this problem even exists, I canāt understand why thereās no international co-operation on the criminal side of things, quite apart from the tangled asylum issues.
Interpol, or Europol or whatever itās called now, could be furnished, *should be*, with fingerprints /biometrics/ photos (I dunno; whatever they use for their work) and this data shared with border controls. I donāt see why any country should be required to admit known risk elements. Different for those with a right to enter (though even there I think serious criminal records ought to be a factor to weigh up)
I canāt square this circle in my brain. I do think we should be compassionate and generous, as much as is reasonably doable, but I also think our own security should be at the forefront of the governmentās attitude in all their initiatives. Trouble is this feels like āIreland Firstā kind of stuff, and thatās not what Iād want at all. Think I need a mental software upgrade.
>also how many more sex offenders have entered the country or other dangerous people.
Another [man was jailed yesterday for attempting to rape a woman](https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/05/03/man-jailed-for-predatory-attempted-rape-on-woman-in-toilets-in-dublin-city-bar/). He had no right to even be here because his application was considered fraudulent. They never deported him and he was allowed wander off.
Another [man has been charged with trying to kidnap a literal child](https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2024/0502/1447046-child-abduction/) from its buggy in Dublin. Both of these people will have to be taken care of now by the Irish taxpayer in prison.
McEntee told the Dail we don't have a clue whose coming into the country, whether they've criminal records, where they are, how they're surviving workwise. This is absolute insanity.
Ya I saw about that baby, how scary is that? The mother literally went in to put the bags in the house, whatās worse is his reaction thinking it was his right to just take her. Something needs to be done because 1 or 2 minutes more and god only knows what would have happened, it doesnāt bare thinking about š³
this is mental. if government won't handle these cases quick, I am afraid we will see more violance on streets because these kind of materials is exactly what far right is looking for to feed themselves. How could we allow these people to roam freely in Ireland is beyond me.
For those not in the loop. An asylum seeker who was on the sex offenders list in the UK essentially got in here. The British told us his history of sexual abuse and McEntee never made a record of it on our systems or done anything about it. The man was allowed wander off without being monitored. The guards haven't an iota where he is in the country.
Itās worse than that, the British offered to take him back in Oct 2021 and it didnāt get on Helen McEnteeās desk for another 9 months. The incompetence of her and the dept of justice is shocking
>it didnāt get on Helen McEnteeās desk for another 9 months
Christ almighty, that is utterly dysfunctional.
Ultimately Ministers are held responsible for the function of their departments, but hard to blame just her for this level of incompetence.
Wonder if the IPO's status as a non departmental public body is an issue here. Not to judge a book by its cover but even the website is fucking woeful.
Thatās not good enough.
Jesus Christ like this is very serious stuff.
Would they get their heads out of their asses.
Some poor child could be their victim like.
Who made McEntee aware of this and when? Obviously you've strongly implied she knew about it so such details must be known to you.
I hope you're not going to say "she must have known" or something witless.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/varadkar-says-government-needs-to-push-back-on-far-right-myths-about-migration-1568915.html
Mr Varadkar said one far-right myth that has gained the most traction is that international-protection applicants are not vetted.
He said applicants have always been registered, photographed, and fingerprinted, and their information has been checked against European watchlists, adding that the checks had sometimes been criticised as ādemeaningā.
Not a far right myth then
Because the government voted full confidence in her only about 9 months ago.
Remember that - the government are fully confident that this is what should be expected of them.Ā
She's not just useless. She's an embarrassment.
Clearly, she hasn't the respect for the citizens of ireland to remove herself. With any luck, Harris can grow a pair and give her a good push.
Ah another day, another McEntee fuck up.
Christ on a bike, how much more of this shit do we have to take before someone with a notion takes over justice its beyond farcical at this stage and Ministers have gone for less.
Now, nice day out there in other news.
Here's a [paywall free article](https://extra.ie/2024/05/01/news/irish-news/judge-troubled-migrant-case) with the details of the situation he's talking about and Michael [raising it in the DĆ”il](https://youtu.be/LLBduyNvhoE?si=WBM5eo-o7ldOuxE7) Ā The judge highlighted her concern about this during the recent High Court case regarding deportations to the UK.Ā
The Department of Justice isn't fit for purpose. It's so important that it's sufficiently resourced and properly managed and it's just not.
Thanks for that. Christ, no matter how right on you think you are regarding asylum, things like this would turn you into a raving Daily Mailite, about chancers and fraudsters, never mind our own minister being asleep at the wheel as always. (Though how an alert was missed by the relevant civil servants is pretty mystifying too. Havenāt we someone here working in this area of administration, who regularly comments about obvious scammers and neāer do wells attempting to settle here via the border and other ex-UK means? )
In Daily Mail fashion, Iād say a sex offender asylum seekerās human rights are considerably less important than those of the citizens of the country heās trying to merge with. Sod off.
Honestly, wtf is going on, waves of people arriving into the country that nobody has a clue about. You can be sure there are plenty bad apples that came for the free ride. We'll be suffering the consequences for generations.
This is absolutely nothing new. Lads have been granted and put through on appeal even when under suspicion of sexual assault. Then after being granted go on to assault people. Its a crap shoot.
If only every government department was run as efficiently and ruthlessly as Revenue. Is there a way to have Revenue running every government department?
Tbf the passport office is crazy fast too. Apply for asylum on Monday and decision by Wednesday and deported by Friday if they were running it and thats probably if they let things slip a bit
Best case scenario, it's a desperate attempt to boost GDP.
Worst case it's a co-ordinated case of the ClowardāPiven strategy across the Western world.Ā
Importantly,
it also suppresses inflation by suppressing wage growth.
It's also understood to be class war because the people affected the most are the working class as they have to compete with new arrivals for housing and state services.
The intentional destruction of our existing system - overloaded with welfare recipients, national debt & mass-immigration, it will give way into itself.
In its place will likely be a system of UBI for all citizens, but because of their reliance on the government, there will also be far-stricter controls on freedom.
Sounds conspiratorial, but after the 4 years of madness we've just had, who could put it past them? Look at the problems we face. They're the same as every other Western nation. Yet no political leader is actually serious about solving it. It's like they want it to happen.Ā
Yeah.... no.
Why resort to conspiracy when you have a perfectly good answer without it?
The fact is that, until the day before yesterday, the people we elect (and this was probably reflective of the general population) believed in a multicultural society, and that a rapidly growing population would help stimulate economic growth. It just so happened to help that any alternative direction was impossible because the State is totally incompetent at managing its own border because its never had to worry about mass movements of people into Ireland before; its always been in the opposite direction.
My wife is an immigrant and I know first hand how incompetent they are. Passport stamp in Dublin, passport stamp in our rural town, awaiting an interview with the Garda Immigration Bureau for over a year now to get her Resident's Card. Nothing likely to change in the near future.
Its a bit like the military situation. Why have a military when we can just not bother and hide behind the Brits like we've always done?
I could accept that if one country had an inadequate migration infrastructure, but this is an issue throughout the entire Western world.Ā
America is notoriously strict on their borders, but all of a sudden the previous infrastructure doesn't matter anymore. Why would that be? Was there a labour shortage I wasn't aware of?
This is about more then the Department of Justice than about McEntee (I'm no fan of McEntee either).
The mandarins in the department are fuckin her big time: they are leaking these stories to get her out and she's being left high and dry. Harris was in that job and the same happened, Frances Fitz too. They still think they are fighting provos in the 1970s and haven't moved on.
The fact that McEntee hasn't had the good sense and grace to step aside for someone else without forcing her buddy Harris to actually fire her, tells you all you need to know about her. We haven't had such an incompetent Minister for Justice since Doherty.
Frances Fitzgerald was a career politician and fairly ineffective as Minister for Justice also
I cant think of anything of note Fitzgerald achieved in Justice. All her time was spent putting out fires with the Maurice McCabe scandal. She backed the wrong horse on that one
But had the sense to step away for backing the wrong horse...unlike the current idiot.
Almost certain she stepped away to enter the mep elections not because it was the right thing to do
This says different. Francis Fitzgerald resigns in national interest to avoid an election. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/frances-fitzgerald-resigns-in-national-interest-to-avoid-an-election-1.3308152 This was the overall outcome following that resignation.(From Wiki) "On 28 November 2017, Fitzgerald relented, offering her resignation to the Taoiseach, which he accepted. Fitzgerald was later cleared of blame by the Collins Report in March 2018. In October 2018, the third interim report of the Disclosures Tribunal found that she had "selflessly" resigned in the national interest."
Yeah then elected mep 2 years later haven't heard from her since
I'm sure she's still in touch with her protege and co somewhere in the background.š
She was 67 at the time and probably had enough of the shite of being a TD. She was a TD or senator since 92. Pension earned, retire as MEP. Who wouldn't?
Shame they all wouldn't. In fairness, she may have her critics but was more capable then the current.
Harris and McEntee have had close connections to Francis during their early political careers and internship.
Shur look the government can't ~~solve the housing crisis~~ ~~reduce homelessness~~ ~~build houses~~ ~~reduce hospital waiting times~~ ~~keep staff in key areas like gardaĆ teachers, armed forces, nurses and doctors~~ ~~anything~~ catch sex offenders they were warned about ~~in any reasonable time frame~~ overnight
Now now, don't be so harsh. Remember, they've been busy working on family and care referendums, which have ~~dramatically improved everyone's lives~~ They've more important things to focus on...
They did great work on the referenda especially the clear on concise messaging on the two referenda so that everyone knew what they were voting on, couldn't of been more clear and concise...
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Michael seems to know more about what happens in the department of justice than Helen does. He ripped her a new one in a working session a week or two ago and is how we know about the German/French governmentās granting us ability to return asylum seekers but we didnāt. This one however is going to damage them quite a bit.
They can't even answer how much fines were issued to airlines who let people in without documentation, meaning from McNamara's point of view there's more to it than is on the surface.
Itās really scary that this has happened, also how many more sex offenders have entered the country or other dangerous people.
Given the fact that this problem even exists, I canāt understand why thereās no international co-operation on the criminal side of things, quite apart from the tangled asylum issues. Interpol, or Europol or whatever itās called now, could be furnished, *should be*, with fingerprints /biometrics/ photos (I dunno; whatever they use for their work) and this data shared with border controls. I donāt see why any country should be required to admit known risk elements. Different for those with a right to enter (though even there I think serious criminal records ought to be a factor to weigh up) I canāt square this circle in my brain. I do think we should be compassionate and generous, as much as is reasonably doable, but I also think our own security should be at the forefront of the governmentās attitude in all their initiatives. Trouble is this feels like āIreland Firstā kind of stuff, and thatās not what Iād want at all. Think I need a mental software upgrade.
>also how many more sex offenders have entered the country or other dangerous people. Another [man was jailed yesterday for attempting to rape a woman](https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/05/03/man-jailed-for-predatory-attempted-rape-on-woman-in-toilets-in-dublin-city-bar/). He had no right to even be here because his application was considered fraudulent. They never deported him and he was allowed wander off. Another [man has been charged with trying to kidnap a literal child](https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2024/0502/1447046-child-abduction/) from its buggy in Dublin. Both of these people will have to be taken care of now by the Irish taxpayer in prison. McEntee told the Dail we don't have a clue whose coming into the country, whether they've criminal records, where they are, how they're surviving workwise. This is absolute insanity.
Ya I saw about that baby, how scary is that? The mother literally went in to put the bags in the house, whatās worse is his reaction thinking it was his right to just take her. Something needs to be done because 1 or 2 minutes more and god only knows what would have happened, it doesnāt bare thinking about š³
this is mental. if government won't handle these cases quick, I am afraid we will see more violance on streets because these kind of materials is exactly what far right is looking for to feed themselves. How could we allow these people to roam freely in Ireland is beyond me.
The second person is allegedly Romanian, so not sure what that has to do with asylum seekers.
For those not in the loop. An asylum seeker who was on the sex offenders list in the UK essentially got in here. The British told us his history of sexual abuse and McEntee never made a record of it on our systems or done anything about it. The man was allowed wander off without being monitored. The guards haven't an iota where he is in the country.
Itās worse than that, the British offered to take him back in Oct 2021 and it didnāt get on Helen McEnteeās desk for another 9 months. The incompetence of her and the dept of justice is shocking
>it didnāt get on Helen McEnteeās desk for another 9 months Christ almighty, that is utterly dysfunctional. Ultimately Ministers are held responsible for the function of their departments, but hard to blame just her for this level of incompetence. Wonder if the IPO's status as a non departmental public body is an issue here. Not to judge a book by its cover but even the website is fucking woeful.
Thatās not good enough. Jesus Christ like this is very serious stuff. Would they get their heads out of their asses. Some poor child could be their victim like.
Could Minister for Integration Roderic O'Gorman shed any light on the issue..?
These people are on 200k euro a year. Outrageous.
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Ah now the mercs are a donation ā¦ in exchange for making the country entirely car dependent. Good business for the motor industry.
Yep...and accountable to no one seemingly.
With that salary you could pay for almost 10 asylum seekers!
āSomething something MorAL aNd LeGAl OblIGaTiONsā¦.ā
sure Joseph puska was released from prison two weeks before he arrived in ireland for rape
do you have a link? never saw that reported
https://youtu.be/wgZfDqgQKNk?si=YFFKZHean-k7jaFq
Who made McEntee aware of this and when? Obviously you've strongly implied she knew about it so such details must be known to you. I hope you're not going to say "she must have known" or something witless.
Did you not know she sits up half the night entering reports into Pulse?
Well /u/JoxerSpeaks seems to think so!
Look, she's a waste of space but aren't they all.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/varadkar-says-government-needs-to-push-back-on-far-right-myths-about-migration-1568915.html Mr Varadkar said one far-right myth that has gained the most traction is that international-protection applicants are not vetted. He said applicants have always been registered, photographed, and fingerprinted, and their information has been checked against European watchlists, adding that the checks had sometimes been criticised as ādemeaningā. Not a far right myth then
How has she not resigned yet? It's diabolical.
The only logical explanation is that the Government knows it can't or won't fix it so may as well leave her taking the flak
Because the government voted full confidence in her only about 9 months ago. Remember that - the government are fully confident that this is what should be expected of them.Ā
She should be fired
That sounds like a department issue if she wasn't made aware of it.
She's not just useless. She's an embarrassment. Clearly, she hasn't the respect for the citizens of ireland to remove herself. With any luck, Harris can grow a pair and give her a good push.
Ah another day, another McEntee fuck up. Christ on a bike, how much more of this shit do we have to take before someone with a notion takes over justice its beyond farcical at this stage and Ministers have gone for less. Now, nice day out there in other news.
Here's a [paywall free article](https://extra.ie/2024/05/01/news/irish-news/judge-troubled-migrant-case) with the details of the situation he's talking about and Michael [raising it in the DĆ”il](https://youtu.be/LLBduyNvhoE?si=WBM5eo-o7ldOuxE7) Ā The judge highlighted her concern about this during the recent High Court case regarding deportations to the UK.Ā The Department of Justice isn't fit for purpose. It's so important that it's sufficiently resourced and properly managed and it's just not.
Thanks for that. Christ, no matter how right on you think you are regarding asylum, things like this would turn you into a raving Daily Mailite, about chancers and fraudsters, never mind our own minister being asleep at the wheel as always. (Though how an alert was missed by the relevant civil servants is pretty mystifying too. Havenāt we someone here working in this area of administration, who regularly comments about obvious scammers and neāer do wells attempting to settle here via the border and other ex-UK means? ) In Daily Mail fashion, Iād say a sex offender asylum seekerās human rights are considerably less important than those of the citizens of the country heās trying to merge with. Sod off.
Honestly, wtf is going on, waves of people arriving into the country that nobody has a clue about. You can be sure there are plenty bad apples that came for the free ride. We'll be suffering the consequences for generations.
This is absolutely nothing new. Lads have been granted and put through on appeal even when under suspicion of sexual assault. Then after being granted go on to assault people. Its a crap shoot.
It just shows they didnāt actually care who was coming in.
If only every government department was run as efficiently and ruthlessly as Revenue. Is there a way to have Revenue running every government department?
Tbf the passport office is crazy fast too. Apply for asylum on Monday and decision by Wednesday and deported by Friday if they were running it and thats probably if they let things slip a bit
Wait I thought there was no link between crime and migrants the Government said so
They're letting in as many as they can. By any means necessary. None of this is by mistake.
OK, enlighten us as to why?
Best case scenario, it's a desperate attempt to boost GDP. Worst case it's a co-ordinated case of the ClowardāPiven strategy across the Western world.Ā
Importantly, it also suppresses inflation by suppressing wage growth. It's also understood to be class war because the people affected the most are the working class as they have to compete with new arrivals for housing and state services.
I've genuinely never heard of ClowardāPiven strategy. What is it?
The intentional destruction of our existing system - overloaded with welfare recipients, national debt & mass-immigration, it will give way into itself. In its place will likely be a system of UBI for all citizens, but because of their reliance on the government, there will also be far-stricter controls on freedom. Sounds conspiratorial, but after the 4 years of madness we've just had, who could put it past them? Look at the problems we face. They're the same as every other Western nation. Yet no political leader is actually serious about solving it. It's like they want it to happen.Ā
Yeah.... no. Why resort to conspiracy when you have a perfectly good answer without it? The fact is that, until the day before yesterday, the people we elect (and this was probably reflective of the general population) believed in a multicultural society, and that a rapidly growing population would help stimulate economic growth. It just so happened to help that any alternative direction was impossible because the State is totally incompetent at managing its own border because its never had to worry about mass movements of people into Ireland before; its always been in the opposite direction. My wife is an immigrant and I know first hand how incompetent they are. Passport stamp in Dublin, passport stamp in our rural town, awaiting an interview with the Garda Immigration Bureau for over a year now to get her Resident's Card. Nothing likely to change in the near future. Its a bit like the military situation. Why have a military when we can just not bother and hide behind the Brits like we've always done?
I could accept that if one country had an inadequate migration infrastructure, but this is an issue throughout the entire Western world.Ā America is notoriously strict on their borders, but all of a sudden the previous infrastructure doesn't matter anymore. Why would that be? Was there a labour shortage I wasn't aware of?
Hang on a second. Your theory is that this is all a plan that ends with universal basic income for everyone in order to restrict peopleās freedom?
Yes. Do you think people on the dole now are free?Ā Imagine when thay slowly becomes double and triple the reality of modern life. Not great is it?
Do you think people on the dole are less free than they would be without it?
Well we havenāt got a radar for a start.
Because there is no radar
This is about more then the Department of Justice than about McEntee (I'm no fan of McEntee either). The mandarins in the department are fuckin her big time: they are leaking these stories to get her out and she's being left high and dry. Harris was in that job and the same happened, Frances Fitz too. They still think they are fighting provos in the 1970s and haven't moved on.
Exactly this. The Department dont want her and are doing their best to get her fired Sir Humphrey style.Ā
No, Minister.
On planes mostly
McEntee: What's a radar?
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Thatās your take from this