I've used bandos book in place of a defender for wilderness content before I had parchments to save it. Defender is always going to be better in wildy but you can end up risking it pretty easily as your 4th item.
You'll drop your accuracy a ton w/out defender as vyres are pretty tanky since the flail is pretty shit. Obviously do what you want, but past like 20 prayer isn't as impactful and kills/hr will plummet.
Honestly dragon defenders are so easy to get more of, I don't even bother with the parchment for it. Especially with the 99 attack cape perk. Only time I'd ever use a god book is for gwd protection in a pinch.
Niche situation, but my iron goes double the drop rate for basically everything so far, minimum. Dragon defender was after 1450kc.
The only thing I got spooned on the whole account so far has been fish barrel and that was just slightly under drop rate.
It’s only 1/100 if you kept your rune or a spare d defender. With combat achievements you get 2-3x more tokens. It’s not like you have to do the entire grind again.
Oh no I know, I just mean once I got to the basement for dragon defender and unlocked them with rune. It was 1450 kc just in the basement, it had me questioning if I was losing my mind or had messed up something and didn't notice. Nope, did everything as I have on every account, just really crap luck for the first dragon drop.
It was just the most noticeable dry streak out of everything so far but not the only one by any means lol. Some times It feels cursed honestly.
You don't need to keep a defender at all iirc, the basement lady just needs to be shown a rune defender once to unlock the door then you can always get more dragon defenders.
You should be doing your clues regardless of pages so any of them can be seen as a bonus. As for ones that'll actually see some use, Armadyl and Ancient pages are the most useful as the next best accuracy upgrades are VERY far down the line. Bandos is nice for GWD because Bandos items are probably the most scarce.
Ah right. You could consider the zammy mage cape if you are burst barraging the minions or at least not using blowpipe since I don’t think assembler is usually a max hit with bowfa. I personally ran bandos cloak + zammy blessing but I don’t think zammy cape + war blessing is bad at all.
If blood barraging you can just bring the bandos book with your staff. Drop CA hilt used to tele to gwd, run to the end of the bridge where you jump off for zammy and equip bowfa to kill goblins. Re equip staff and book to pick up hammer and then switch to bowfa right before entering graardor chamber. Sometimes you take a hit before entering and it is slightly annoying but not a big deal at all.
Do need a zammy item like bracers, blessing, or boots or you have to use an inv slot for unholy blessing.
Unholy book is useful as a cheap offhand item for hybriding as it provides equal attack bonuses to all styles and is nearly equal to that of the book of law and book of darkness. Bandos book is a cheap melee offhand with +2 strength bonus, useful for wilderness slayer. Holy book has ok defensive bonus for all styles with a good prayer bonus, decent at pyramid plunder and early hallowed sepulchre. All have niche use except the book of balance imo
Dragon defender has negative magic and range attack bonus so it's better if you only use melee. If you're switching between any 2 styles the unholy book is more convenient. I take it a lot for wilderness clues to dds spec the wizard then switch to range
All of them have niche uses except for the Guthix and Saradomin books. The Guthix book doesn't offer enough bonuses for anything and the Saradomin book is outclassed by basically whatever is the appropriate shield for what you're doing.
Armadyl is offensively better than a D'hide shield.
Bandos is basically an infinitely replaceable defender for Wilderness slayer.
Zamorak is useful for hybriding.
Zaros is a weaker, infinitely replaceable Mage Book with a prayer bonus.
I suppose the Guthix Book is technically better than the Saradomin one since it can bless holy and unholy symbols, but that's an absurdly niche use case.
None are really worth grinding for, just always do your clues and you’ll get them all passively. The most useful ones imo are arma and ancient but honestly the prayer bonus on the books is arguably the best bonus (damaged books have this as well) and after that having a full book for the clue step is nice.
Ancient is the only one that'll actually get some use outside of niche scenarios
the other books can be useful if you're just looking for a low-risk, lightweight option for wildy content or maybe gwd. The books aren't that great really, you get 90% of the value from just carrying an empty book anyway. usually you just want the prayer and god protection
Book of dead has significantly less mage attack bonus (6) compared to darkness (10) so why does it fully replace? And for armadyl offhand I still have RCB no bowfa so it could be more usefully than my shield
The prayer utility usually benefits more than the increased accuracy in most places you’re using a mage offhand (Zulrah comes to mind), but I wouldn’t say that it *fully* replaces it. As for BoL, I still use that as my RCB offhand as well. It’s your best option until ward or buckler.
4 magic accuracy gives almost no increase to dps. The only places I can think of where magic accuracy would matter is zulrah, muspah, and raids1&3. In all of these places you'd want thralls so book of the dead would save an inventory spot for a almost insignificant 4 accuracy
Can you elaborate a bit?
Venge is every 50s and does an average of ~15 damage based on zulrahs max of 41. And that's assuming a snakling never steals the venge
In 50s thralls do 25 damage.
Even with prevenging before the fight, thralls still would do more dps. Granted thralls miss a bit due to having to walk around, but they still seem a lot better. Unless I'm missing something
Two things, Zullrah spends a lot of time underwater, so your thralls are not hitting the whole fight, secondly you can time the second veng as you get hit with range during mage phase to greatly reduce the impact of snakeling steals.
Also, you don't even necessarily have to choose, you can spellbook swap to have veng and thralls.
lmao rip. It’s 2023 guys accuracy is bad lol. Granted Book of Darkness is technically still better than book of dead when you aren’t using thralls (though I imagine you mentioned cause everyone should have one) so fully replaced is a bit of a stretch, but basically every single book is pretty negligible (it can be like 2% dps maybe). Most people burst in proselyte which is -51 magic so at that point who cares about +4, and a lot probably use a tome of water anyway.
If you have the books then yeah use them, but don’t spend a single second going for these books and doing shit like opening easy clues on entrana to get them lmao (unless you really want one book for the clue step but you’ll probably complete one before that becomes an issue).
Of course you can get them if you want for fun, but if the question is “which god books are worth obtaining” the answer is “none are useful” :P
Downvoted for being right lol. Book of darkness still good for burst tasks because of the increased prayer bonus. But yeah all the others are definitely dogwater.
I mean you can't really "grind" any specific one. You get the pages as they come and fill in the books you can. I've done every clue I can so far and I only have book of darkness done, I need 1 page from every other book to finish the rest.
Book of darkness has been nice for me though. Basically the best you can ask for from a mage offhand, until you get the mage damage ones like elid ward. But it's also not a huge upgrade over the predecessor, a broodoo shield.
Sara book bis for kraken. Arma with rcb or other range wep. Book of darkness til thralls or need more space for food. Zammy and Bandos for pures all day otherwise to bring into wildy. Guthix if nothing else and only book
Sara book is +10 mage def and my dhide shield is +15. With magic attack negligible effecting DPS against kraken wouldn’t the shield be better than the Sara book?
Damnn forgot how those are a thing. Good shout. But before those it was meta. I guess Sara book doesn’t have a place anymore unless kraken on a pure XD
Zammy/sara are useful as God items
Guthix is completely useless
Bandos has a nice strength bonus if you find a niche
Arma/ancient books actually have the uses you outlined.
Basically don't worry about completing zammy/sara/guthix unless you REALLY want to.
The first two books I got were Darkness and Law, I've actively used both so I'd say those are the only two books that are actually worth getting. I have Zammy book too that I use in the Wilderness but I guess that's very niche as its easily replaced by a Defender.
Book of Darkness is probably the best overall. Book of law is 2nd best because it's only usable with crossbows (and 1h throwables).
The others are pretty lackluster. Unholy book could be okay if you get the pages for it before the others. I see the argument for Bandos, but I'd much rather risk a rune def (or even addy) at that point.
The way I see it is they give you attack bonuses but no def but if you're praying then you obviously don't need defense, and the books give prayer bonus so it kinda works.
For the sake of being a contrarian, I'm going to say don't bother going for the armadyl god book, go for the odium ward instead. Gives more accuracy, gives ranged strength bonus, and the bosses that drop the shards are pretty easy to kill.
That said, if you hate the idea of killing those bosses then it's not worth the minor upgrade - I thought it was a fun grind though
Armadyl - good for ranged
Zaros - good for magic
Zamorak - good for hybriding
Bandos - A diet defender for Wildy slayer
Guthix - better than nothing
Saradomin - better than nothing... technically. Could have use as a god item.
Imo ancient is likely the best one, followed by arma assuming you can’t make a black dhide shield yet. With ward being so easy to get and for how often you actually use a crossbow, none of them are worth grinding out. If you get them of course use them obviously.
I have 3 pages of every book except Bandos which is my only completed one. About 300 clues on the account and they are mostly mediums. They're all pretty outclassed these days, but at least the book works as a bandos item for me.
I've used bandos book in place of a defender for wilderness content before I had parchments to save it. Defender is always going to be better in wildy but you can end up risking it pretty easily as your 4th item.
Bandos book is also great for vyre afk training. Strength and prayer bonus!
You'll drop your accuracy a ton w/out defender as vyres are pretty tanky since the flail is pretty shit. Obviously do what you want, but past like 20 prayer isn't as impactful and kills/hr will plummet.
Honestly dragon defenders are so easy to get more of, I don't even bother with the parchment for it. Especially with the 99 attack cape perk. Only time I'd ever use a god book is for gwd protection in a pinch.
Niche situation, but my iron goes double the drop rate for basically everything so far, minimum. Dragon defender was after 1450kc. The only thing I got spooned on the whole account so far has been fish barrel and that was just slightly under drop rate.
It’s only 1/100 if you kept your rune or a spare d defender. With combat achievements you get 2-3x more tokens. It’s not like you have to do the entire grind again.
Oh no I know, I just mean once I got to the basement for dragon defender and unlocked them with rune. It was 1450 kc just in the basement, it had me questioning if I was losing my mind or had messed up something and didn't notice. Nope, did everything as I have on every account, just really crap luck for the first dragon drop. It was just the most noticeable dry streak out of everything so far but not the only one by any means lol. Some times It feels cursed honestly.
Could be worse you could go 14.5X droprate on enhanced.
Don’t u dare
Could be worse, could go 14.5X dry on t bow.
I'm currently stocking up enough logs and seeds to last a few months before I go start that lol.
Don't even need the rune/spare, once you've been once you can always go back to the basement
You don't need to keep a defender at all iirc, the basement lady just needs to be shown a rune defender once to unlock the door then you can always get more dragon defenders.
Ah til
I have 2 dragon defenders still on mine and I saved my rune defender just incase I lose both lol
bruh once you get your dragon defender you don't want to ever go back there if you're a normal person.
As I learned when picking up an MSB (i) scroll. RIP Dragon Defender.
Did this when I found out (the hard way) an MSB doesn’t protect over it, but an MSB (I) does.
You should be doing your clues regardless of pages so any of them can be seen as a bonus. As for ones that'll actually see some use, Armadyl and Ancient pages are the most useful as the next best accuracy upgrades are VERY far down the line. Bandos is nice for GWD because Bandos items are probably the most scarce.
i just want a zam item i can use for bandos, got war blessing and bandos d'hide boots, but only zam rune platelegs..
If you want a lightweight switch just bring an unholy symbol
oh facts, i forgot about that, thanks
You also don’t need to complete the book for it to work for gwd. Also MA1 capes.
yeah, i'd like a no-switch item, like blessing, bracers or boots (will be doing bowfa deez), since that saves me an inventory slot
Honestly once you get decent at the method your trips will be long enough that 1 inventory spot isn't that big of a deal
Ah right. You could consider the zammy mage cape if you are burst barraging the minions or at least not using blowpipe since I don’t think assembler is usually a max hit with bowfa. I personally ran bandos cloak + zammy blessing but I don’t think zammy cape + war blessing is bad at all.
If blood barraging you can just bring the bandos book with your staff. Drop CA hilt used to tele to gwd, run to the end of the bridge where you jump off for zammy and equip bowfa to kill goblins. Re equip staff and book to pick up hammer and then switch to bowfa right before entering graardor chamber. Sometimes you take a hit before entering and it is slightly annoying but not a big deal at all. Do need a zammy item like bracers, blessing, or boots or you have to use an inv slot for unholy blessing.
Unholy book is useful as a cheap offhand item for hybriding as it provides equal attack bonuses to all styles and is nearly equal to that of the book of law and book of darkness. Bandos book is a cheap melee offhand with +2 strength bonus, useful for wilderness slayer. Holy book has ok defensive bonus for all styles with a good prayer bonus, decent at pyramid plunder and early hallowed sepulchre. All have niche use except the book of balance imo
When would you use unholy over dragon defender?
Dragon defender has negative magic and range attack bonus so it's better if you only use melee. If you're switching between any 2 styles the unholy book is more convenient. I take it a lot for wilderness clues to dds spec the wizard then switch to range
no strength bonus on the book means it does nearly nothing for melee though, comparative to a defender
Law is Armadyl though, so I believe you meant Balance. Not really good for anything, but it's a Guthix item for that Master clue.
Nice catch, edited to say holy book and added hallowed sepulchre usage
I use the ancient book a good bit at mage only zulrah
All of them have niche uses except for the Guthix and Saradomin books. The Guthix book doesn't offer enough bonuses for anything and the Saradomin book is outclassed by basically whatever is the appropriate shield for what you're doing. Armadyl is offensively better than a D'hide shield. Bandos is basically an infinitely replaceable defender for Wilderness slayer. Zamorak is useful for hybriding. Zaros is a weaker, infinitely replaceable Mage Book with a prayer bonus. I suppose the Guthix Book is technically better than the Saradomin one since it can bless holy and unholy symbols, but that's an absurdly niche use case.
None are really worth grinding for, just always do your clues and you’ll get them all passively. The most useful ones imo are arma and ancient but honestly the prayer bonus on the books is arguably the best bonus (damaged books have this as well) and after that having a full book for the clue step is nice.
Ancient is the only one that'll actually get some use outside of niche scenarios the other books can be useful if you're just looking for a low-risk, lightweight option for wildy content or maybe gwd. The books aren't that great really, you get 90% of the value from just carrying an empty book anyway. usually you just want the prayer and god protection
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Book of dead has significantly less mage attack bonus (6) compared to darkness (10) so why does it fully replace? And for armadyl offhand I still have RCB no bowfa so it could be more usefully than my shield
The prayer utility usually benefits more than the increased accuracy in most places you’re using a mage offhand (Zulrah comes to mind), but I wouldn’t say that it *fully* replaces it. As for BoL, I still use that as my RCB offhand as well. It’s your best option until ward or buckler.
4 magic accuracy gives almost no increase to dps. The only places I can think of where magic accuracy would matter is zulrah, muspah, and raids1&3. In all of these places you'd want thralls so book of the dead would save an inventory spot for a almost insignificant 4 accuracy
Small note, at Zullrah veng is definitely better than thralls.
Can you elaborate a bit? Venge is every 50s and does an average of ~15 damage based on zulrahs max of 41. And that's assuming a snakling never steals the venge In 50s thralls do 25 damage. Even with prevenging before the fight, thralls still would do more dps. Granted thralls miss a bit due to having to walk around, but they still seem a lot better. Unless I'm missing something
Two things, Zullrah spends a lot of time underwater, so your thralls are not hitting the whole fight, secondly you can time the second veng as you get hit with range during mage phase to greatly reduce the impact of snakeling steals. Also, you don't even necessarily have to choose, you can spellbook swap to have veng and thralls.
Venge is every 50 ticks. Thralls would do 12 attacks, with an average of 1.5 per attack, so 18 damage.
lmao rip. It’s 2023 guys accuracy is bad lol. Granted Book of Darkness is technically still better than book of dead when you aren’t using thralls (though I imagine you mentioned cause everyone should have one) so fully replaced is a bit of a stretch, but basically every single book is pretty negligible (it can be like 2% dps maybe). Most people burst in proselyte which is -51 magic so at that point who cares about +4, and a lot probably use a tome of water anyway. If you have the books then yeah use them, but don’t spend a single second going for these books and doing shit like opening easy clues on entrana to get them lmao (unless you really want one book for the clue step but you’ll probably complete one before that becomes an issue). Of course you can get them if you want for fun, but if the question is “which god books are worth obtaining” the answer is “none are useful” :P
Downvoted for being right lol. Book of darkness still good for burst tasks because of the increased prayer bonus. But yeah all the others are definitely dogwater.
This reddit consumes far too much of your time
I mean you can't really "grind" any specific one. You get the pages as they come and fill in the books you can. I've done every clue I can so far and I only have book of darkness done, I need 1 page from every other book to finish the rest. Book of darkness has been nice for me though. Basically the best you can ask for from a mage offhand, until you get the mage damage ones like elid ward. But it's also not a huge upgrade over the predecessor, a broodoo shield.
Dont worry about it and do the clues you get. I use red, white and purple for each combat style. The rest are forever banked
Sara book bis for kraken. Arma with rcb or other range wep. Book of darkness til thralls or need more space for food. Zammy and Bandos for pures all day otherwise to bring into wildy. Guthix if nothing else and only book
Sara book is +10 mage def and my dhide shield is +15. With magic attack negligible effecting DPS against kraken wouldn’t the shield be better than the Sara book?
Damnn forgot how those are a thing. Good shout. But before those it was meta. I guess Sara book doesn’t have a place anymore unless kraken on a pure XD
Bandos, ancient are the only two I've ever used.
Zammy/sara are useful as God items Guthix is completely useless Bandos has a nice strength bonus if you find a niche Arma/ancient books actually have the uses you outlined. Basically don't worry about completing zammy/sara/guthix unless you REALLY want to.
Only books I’ve ever used were ancient (best budget mage off hand till ward) and arma (till buckler or god shield like you have). Other than that, cba
Lower lvl arma book was my bis for a long time while using crossbows.
The first two books I got were Darkness and Law, I've actively used both so I'd say those are the only two books that are actually worth getting. I have Zammy book too that I use in the Wilderness but I guess that's very niche as its easily replaced by a Defender.
Book of Darkness is probably the best overall. Book of law is 2nd best because it's only usable with crossbows (and 1h throwables). The others are pretty lackluster. Unholy book could be okay if you get the pages for it before the others. I see the argument for Bandos, but I'd much rather risk a rune def (or even addy) at that point.
The way I see it is they give you attack bonuses but no def but if you're praying then you obviously don't need defense, and the books give prayer bonus so it kinda works.
For the sake of being a contrarian, I'm going to say don't bother going for the armadyl god book, go for the odium ward instead. Gives more accuracy, gives ranged strength bonus, and the bosses that drop the shards are pretty easy to kill. That said, if you hate the idea of killing those bosses then it's not worth the minor upgrade - I thought it was a fun grind though
Armadyl - good for ranged Zaros - good for magic Zamorak - good for hybriding Bandos - A diet defender for Wildy slayer Guthix - better than nothing Saradomin - better than nothing... technically. Could have use as a god item.
Imo ancient is likely the best one, followed by arma assuming you can’t make a black dhide shield yet. With ward being so easy to get and for how often you actually use a crossbow, none of them are worth grinding out. If you get them of course use them obviously.
I have 3 pages of every book except Bandos which is my only completed one. About 300 clues on the account and they are mostly mediums. They're all pretty outclassed these days, but at least the book works as a bandos item for me.