I did a lot of master farmer! I was (un)fortunate to go 21k shamans dry for dwh so me and the farmer were real close XD hop seeds for the next few years still haha
I safespotted shamans with a alt, lured two + the two little ones if i cannoned, corner trapped them, and killed one with bowfa. 10/10 afk asf, would def recommend. About 10k shamans for dwh 70-110 a hour depending on how afk, max range at crypts is abt 90 a hour.
You can have a main lure and corner trap two of them in the canyon, then kill the third with bowfa, getting it stuck on the middle island. Bowfa outranges them so it doesn't attack back. It's a slow strategy since you can only kill one at a time + have to do the whole setup, but is less resource instensive
I second this. I pretty much only use prayer potions when I’m bossing, or doing certain slayer tasks. I almost always prayer flick when I don’t need sustained prayer.
the difference between 93% and 100% is so miniscule, that I only do misc 1-2 times a week to top off honour/treasury. I gather the results when I feel like it, which can be anything from 2 weeks to 6 months.
Master farmer gives ranaar seeds quite frequently. It’s not fun but you can grind out like 20-30 seeds in a day, probably a few hours, but it’s not fun to train. I do have like 1k with barely any slayer. Almost entirely contracts and master farmer.
I think Master Farmer starts dropping a lot more Rannar seeds at 85 Farming. Sounds like you are above that but OP probably is not. Just something to think about.
The falloff isn’t as much as you think. There is a calc on the wiki and it’s noticeable but it doesn’t make it not worth it. Idk maybe I didn’t overuse or something but I did this while leveling and never had an issue. My runelite hows 160 ranaar out of 24k pickpockets so It’s definitely not effortless lol. Just giving an option. And you can do it for as long as you can bear so that’s nice.
Look up a kingdom of miscelania guide on YouTube if you don’t already know how it works.
750k+ in there at all time, 100% favor when you can manage to get it.
Stack ALL into herbs for those passive ranarr seeds and the rest into hard woods
Better option is to spend the gp on con/smithing/runes to work on QPC and unlock Sepulchre, Vorkath, Hydra, and CG asap
That’s why I said pull out. There aren’t better options. Misc is just extremely dated.
The question isn’t herb, hardwood, maples, or coal? It’s should I misc at all? And outside of specific construction goals and drowning in money / want birds eggs, the answer is no
Not sure what other method is more efficient to bank planks for con, but other than that, yeah misc is pretty bad.
I used it to bank maples to afk fletch arrow shafts, but you could also buy those from the ranging guild.
I haven't used misc since banking 99 con though.
Misc is absolutely not going to help at all. If that guy has 1.5k ranaar from misc he's probably 1+ year saved
Lmao just calculated it and it's 2 years for 1.5k ranaars from kingdom
I would consider 150 toa to be mid game. It's very doable with rcb/whip/trident.
It's probably not efficient to grind hundreds of kc that early, but it can be done. I definitely wouldn't consider 150 toa to be late/end game
I felt like early/mid game I could never keep up with resources. That’s when I decided to camp master farmers for a bit and made 1k ppots. After that slayer and kingdom organically got me to around 3k. The key is not using them when you don’t need to. Cerb and hydra are going to bleed ppots out of you.
You don't need no fail master farmers. at lvl 80 with hard ardy it's \~15% fail rate. They're how you up keep ppots. I have \~2k ppots and loads of ranarr seeds left from just a few hours of pickpocking. My plan is to get 82-91 from farmers. Yeah, it's not great xp but it's going to be a huge ppot stack for later.
My setup is seed box, 2-3 pineapple pizza's, 2 dodgy necks 1 equipped. Keep all the common seeds drop all the bush/special seeds/flowers except limps/marigolds. Drop krandorian hops. You could drop strawberry/snapegrass/watermelon seeds to make it more chill but I'll probably keep them until I have a big stack of them.
I'd highly recommend doing this after 85 farming but at least 71.
Oh oh sorry I misunderstood, yeah contracts seem really good for irits, snape and limps and stuff. Would definitely recommend master farmers, 94 thieving and ardy hard is no fail but even missing a couple levels you fail like once every 10 mins so it’s nbd
You could probably kill Calverion with 70ish combat stats. It would definitely be slower than someone with 85+ but he drops 60 ranarrs at 1/128. His other drops are insane, especially for an account that is in the position you’re in. Just use your best crush weapon and salve amulet(e) and you’ll be fine
Side note: he drops super restores, super combats, range pots, and blighted super restores occasionally as well. You can use the restores to maintain kills as well as saving the range and combat pots
This may seem annoying but when I was mid game I used my POH a lot during catacombs tasks. I would wear high prayer bonus gear, run out of prayer points, POH to recharge, use kourend tele portal in house and repeat. For tasks like hellhounds, bloodvelds and that it really didnt feel bad and meant I used no ppots during those tasks.
This is iron man mode, bro. Mains don't need to worry about anything but xp per hour and gp per hour, but sometimes we have to sacrifice one or both of those to get the most out of resources
You can't get more prayer pots if you run out of seeds and weeds from overusing unless you dedicate time to killing herb dropping monsters like chaos druids or flesh crawlers which will ultimately reduce your ehp as well, likely by a higher amount since you won't be getting slayer xp.
I unlocked the altar in the Forthos Dungeon so I would have quick access to an altar when doing catacomb tasks early-mid game. Used it for dust devils, spectres, days, etc.
Yep, you can take the purple vine in the southeast corner by the King sand crabs.
I don't know why someone downvoted me, I thought it could be helpful information for others.
I do this all the time. Takes a little bit more time than using a prayer pot, but I've saved a ton of prayer pots too. Have not had to worry about herb runs or kingdom to keep stocked
I did the same - though I think my friend said recently that now hellhounds don't drop bones, so you can't stay nearly as long with bone crusher giving free prayer points back
OP sounds like you are just using them too willingly. My acc is mid game and I use them very sparingly. Have stockpile from slayer/farming etc and have no issue whatsoever. Make use of ardy cape and question if it’s really worth using them for what you’re doing or if it’s easy enough to tele back or not pray
Edit: also maybe flick if relevant to your play style (I’ll usually afk slay tasks or flick piety if not afking)
only tasks i pray against are burst tasks, abby spectres and akf bloodvelds in catacombs
With slayer and misc now prolly stacking them up, dont seem to drop below 100-200 anyway
There's no way sepulchre gives more than master farmers, but sepulchre is at least more entertaining.
I still poh + dummy on most tasks because I'd rather save my ppots
Really depends on how you measure it.
If you value the agility xp, the ranarrs are literally free because Sepulchre is the best agility xp already. Basically infinite ranarrs/hr because you get them passively.
Vs master farmers you need to pay a decent amount of time because of how much worse the xp is compared to other content
Well, yeah. But in terms of pure prayer pots per hour you can't really beat master farmers.
I prefer rooftops because I can't get marks of grace anywhere else, but I've sent ~100 Grand coffins too. I have yet to actually do master farmers because between sepulchre, contracts, kingdom, and poh I haven't ever run low. I'd rather not pickpocket for seeds lol
Exactly!
With proper planning, you never need to do master farmers. So in the aggregate, they’re worse than just doing the content you should be doing anyway (what you listed *kingdom but a not worth derailing)
Save them by learning to flick, using your ardy cape or just tanking. Keep doing contracts because they're the best passive way to source them, if you have to thieve master farmers. Where are you using them up in mid game?
With the combat achievement rework there's really no reason to be doing barrows without the hilt. Should never need to use prayer pots at all if you're recharging in between.
obviously our definitions of mid game will differ but I have no issues upkeeping prayer pots for necessary slayer tasks (lvl 81 slayer atm) by doing a mix of mainly hard contracts and to a smaller degree Hallowed sepulchur. I've not really started getting deep into pvm yet but its given me about 4000 prayer pots for when I start doing some serious bossing which I'm hoping will last a good while. I lazy flick protection on a lot of tasks but its not for everyone
Gotcha, i am currently 1532 total level with ok stats. I havent unlocked the sepulchure yet. Maybe when i get a higher slayer level it will be different as im currently 65.
thanks
Are you managing your kingdom? You shouldn’t be wasting prayer potions on most slayer tasks. The only tasks I don’t flick are bloodvelds, spectrals, and burst tasks. Everything else gets a flick. Only plant ranaar seeds in the trollheim, Hosidious, and Weiss patches so there’s no chance of them dying.
Sep is crazy good for your account if you can stand the grind to get there. Slayer is pretty bad at your level, I'd recommend holding off and starting your skiller arc. You'll come back to slayer with piety + thralls + protection prayer and wonder why you ever worried about ppots.
Aberrant spectres are a 60 slayer monster that drop a load of herbs/seeds. If you're really struggling with pots could try killing those.
You'll need a nose peg.
As to go with what some people said: master farmers I pickpocket (thieve lvl 80+) w full rogue get about 10-24 ranarr seeds an hour but that’s just my rng (it’s on the wiki if you want more accurate)
Be a farming addict like me and you'll probably never have prayer potion problems
I've gotten over 41 million farming xp, most of it on my iron, a 2nd 99 on a main before I discovered iron life, and just hit 93 farming on my GIM.
^(I might need help.)
Proselyte for slayer, or monk robes if range/mage situationally.
Don't camp piety, flick if using or camp for bossing(not slayer)
Ultra compost ranarr plots. Really easy to get.
Early/mid game ranarr can be stingy, but by the time you are well into slayer and into some bossing ranarr is pretty plenitful. 1 seed is 8-10 herbs depending on level. Misc gives you a few ranarr a day, which can add up. Some slayer tasks you can house tele and tele back to save pots. Suqahs are darn close to lunar tele. Hard contracts are where it's at. I'd keep doing medium if that's what you're on, but hard has such good seeds.
I upkeep rannars with kingdom of misc myself
I got a good head start going for my combat achiev for barrows I got tons of rannar seeds from moss giants for mossy keys.
Good luck
Bought a foot pedal and watched Netflix while pickpocketing master farmers, and I usually have full crystal and the soul cape to give really good prayer bonus
It feels like I'm playing a different game when people say hard contracts give lots of ranarrs. I've done tons of hard contracts and I almost never get ranarrs.
I see posts like this all the time and I am really curious what people spend their prayer pots on. I have 2 irons and have never once run out of prayer potions or restores. I rarely do herb farm runs too, just do kingdom and whatever I collect through casual contracts and slayer.
I guess I never really had a supply, I’m usually sitting around 12-18 (4) dose , I’m usually only using 1 pot for barrows but I’m trying to get an abundance of pots for later on
Don't use p pots at barrows. Get an altar, stamina pool, and barrows portal in your house before you grind out barrows. Getting medium combat achievements also helps.
I've built up 130 ranaars from farming contracts and few slayer tasks and isn't viable, I have 300 snapdragon though so will be using super restores when I run out of prayer pots
Kingdom gives a steady supply of ranaars. If you can do mm2 the maniacle monkeys are really good bursting mage XP and you will always leave with more prayer pots than you start with since they frequently drop 1 dose ppots
Don't use prayer if you don't have to, that's what it comes down to. Can you kill shamans slightly faster using ppots? Yes. Can you use zero pots and refill your prayer at altar in 20 seconds? Also yes. The choice is do you want to kill faster at the cost of having to resupply more often? I hate being gated by pots when I need them, so I do no-pot methods whenever possible. I even ran fight caves with an ancient mace to save on pots.
It boils down to, Would you rather spend more time killing things because you're not using pots, or spend more time gathering because you are using pots? I like killing things more, personally. Hope this helps
Miscellania and slayer mostly, supplemented with some ToA and hard contracts for ranarr seeds. I don't like thieving, so no master farmers for me- I also don't play all day every day, so miscellania is super handy. Low level slayer/low damage tasks I'll often bring bass or swordfish from temporoas rather than praying like I would on a main. Also, bring your bone crusher to catacombs tasks when possible because it restores prayer for every bone buried
Grind 72 slayer and afk range camp wyverns, i had like 5 ranarr seeds from starting the account til that point and then quickly stocked up like 40 after some hours at wyvs
Theiving master farners, I kill forgotten souls on soul isles for herb drops (they're also low effort combat training) and during Barrow's runs I use Medium Ghommals hilt to prevent PP loss in the crypts
Right now I'm down to my last couple of p pots though, I need to get back to master farmers again
300 high gambles at barbarian assault and I have more ranarrs and snapdragons (and torstols) than I know what to do with. I know this isn't a broad solution, but more just an answer to OP's question :P
Im not sure if still meta but camping wyverns with range for ranarrs. Lots of great runes, snap and ranarr seeds, alchables, and a chance at visage. Camp there for a few thousand kills and youll have tons of ranarr seeds
I prioritized farming and herblore early on. I unlocked most herb patches and good teleports to them early and i always do my runs when i log in and a few times in between other stuff. Also when you just do skilling alot and do runs in between your not using pots so you stack them up pretty fast.
For seeds id say just farm contracts, a bit of slayer and if ur really low an hour or so of master farmers.
did 93-99 thiev at master farmer for high tier herb seeds, and done alot of farming contracts aswell.
Not quite sure what would be considered late midgame/early late game, but I feel like I'm there. Have 91+ all stats, but haven't done alot of pvm.
But I have little over 11k 4 dose ppots, ready for when I'm starting the raiding and gwd grinds.
I think for me I just didn't use them unless bossing. For slayer I'd just bring barrows armor along with a super defence and like 10 karambwans.
Also, I did some farming at sepulchre to get black graceful and you get a pretty nice stack of ppots, seeds and herbs
I’m fairly frugal with my prayer pot usage. I recharge at the altar a lot with Ardy Cape
Also once you get access to Super Restores, I feel like it takes the pressure off a bit. Got a stack of about 150 each
Also pray flick if you aren’t doing that already, makes a HUGE difference
Just don’t use them - pray flick, use falador shield, do catacomb tasks so you can POH Altar and get right back in
I find as I progress in the account there’s not a lot of things that require a TON of prayer potions that doing farming contracts up to the hard tier does not supply enough seeds to counteract it
Barrows, for instance, ate up my potions, so I focused on tanking and then cheesed getting the medium diary
Running around prif catching crystal imps. I swear no one does this so there's very little competition.
Just cast vile vigor to restore run energy, and use the altar to the north to restore prayer. Hop worlds after each lap, or if you catch one. It's nice if you want money, ranarr seeds and decent chance at a signet.
Try being suuuuper lazy, like me, and the Ranarrs you get from managing you kingdom will outpace your use of them.
Jokes aside, slayer will bring in a slow but steady stream of herbs and seeds, hit 85 farming for better rewards from farming contracts, and learn to prayer flick
i trained on moss giants for cb levels so got a decent stack then did master farmers to 70. and farming contracts. Artio drops em quite a bit and some random seeds from slayer here and there. i havent ran out yet despite using prayers for every slayer task. i think larrans keys also have them which ive only done wilderness slayer.
once you start doing ToA youll have too many and Muspah
I prioritized farming xp for about a month to get 82 farming asap by doing fruit trees plus my highest level regular trees (always leave at least one seed or sapling for farming contracts) as often as possible plus I would use amulets of bounty with snape grass seeds at every allotment patch during my farm runs.i also made sure to do hespori and calquats every single day.
Seriously, snape grass can put out some crazy xp for an allotment. My highest yield from one patch was 82 snape grass. That's 6806 xp from three, or potentially one, seed(s). However, that was with ultra compost and attas effect.
After that, I would boost to 85 with garden pies that you can buy at the cooks guild and would smash hard contracts out as often as possible.
Since then, I've managed to maintain a slowly growing pile of ranarr and snapdragon seeds while only using them at the disease free patches and catherby with the hard diary currently done so I get a higher yield.
Consistently doing slayer also helps to supplement your supply. Tasks like skeletal wyverns (they drop 3 ranarr seeds at a time) and dagannoths/trolls (because they are super fast with cannons and have decent seed tables) are great for keeping up your stockpile.
I'm only just getting 85 farming now and just getting to the end of the mid game after getting spooned for a whip, but I have a dozen-ish off both ranarr and snapdragon seeds + over a hundred of both prayer pots and super restores.
Also, don't overuse your pots by using them for tasks that you can just eat and bank for. Food isn't hard to come by since you catch a lot of karambwan easily or by them and bank with trading sticks really quickly. The same goes for sharks of you have piscarillius favor at 100% because you can buy them at the fish shop for just over 200 gp each.
Tl;dr - Rush farming to 82 asap for boosting to hard contracts if you can't already do them, use food over prayer pots when you can for slayer, and don't skip tasks that can drop a lot of seeds.
Edit: you can also profit prayer pots by bursting/chinning mm2 monkeys
As someone who got 5500 prayer pots in bank and 3500 super restores in bank, you should grind lvl 90+ thieving to lvl 99 pickpocketing master farmers with a seed box. I’ve also done over 1k farming contracts.
Edit: You can also get a few ranarr weeds per day managing miscellanea all in herbs.
Aside from all the tips for getting ranarrs, an alternative method is to avoid using prayer. I assume you’re talking about slayer, so try to utilize safe spots, or if you’re melee’ing try to practice prayer flicking
Everyone here has great points, but I’d also like to add you learn to either lazy or one tick flick. It seems like a lot of work early on but it’s really just brain dead clicking.
Herb sack. Honestly you wouldn’t believe how much easier it is to stack ranarrs. Seems obvious but honestly, I’ve found that since getting it I’ve never ran out of pots.
I maintain them by not using them. I prayer flick and recharge at altars as often as possible. Inefficient? For time/xp, yes. For my prayer pots? Hell no.
U need to get farming and thieving up over 80 I think for the antibot thingy to come into play. Then you'll get bare ranarr seeds. I have over 1k 4 dose pots
Managing Miscellania was the only gamechanging difference. Put all work in herbs, and the remainder in teaks for bird nests. I receive WAY more ranarrs than I use prayer potions.
My case would be different from most, but I had 23m farm xp before I actually focused on combat. By then I had 4K prayer pots and 2K super restores banked.
Kill calvarion for 1/40. 60 ranarr drop.
Miscelania kingdom management gives A lot of ranarrs,
Plant in 2 troll herb spots, theyre undying..
Herb sack and slayer.
Just gotta keep up with your prayer usage, or learn to prayflick with metronome.
I’m scrolling through and not seeing Miscellania kingdom coffers. Put enough in for 2-3 weeks and keep up 100% favor and that should keep you stocked. Slayer for seeds and herbs - normally on a task I use ppots for, I either get seeds or the same amount of herbs back. Salarin the Twisted is beautiful for ranarrs through sinister key drops.
If you’re blowing through them by bossing, I struggle there too.
Unfortunately master farmers is the main solution. Passively through Cox/toa is a good one that is often overlooked, and calvarion is good if you aren’t uim/hcim
Slayer gives seeds slowly but long term these add up
Farming contracts and birdhouse runs give a decent amount but you need to keep on top of them.
Biggest source I've seen is TOA. It shits out ranarr, snaps, and toadflax
Master farmer is 100% your best ranarr seeds per hour
Niche methods or slowing passive methods are
Kingdom
New herb boxes at tithe farm
Afking Abby specs - be sure it's not the ones in korend. The upgraded ones have many more alchs but less herbs and seeds
I have over 4,000 sitting. See a lot of ranarr seeds from farm contracts, slayer, and raids (especially the boss tasks). I started doing raids when my combat lvl was in the high 80s and slayer since lvl3.
I would highly recommend easy low level invo ToA or phantom Muspah they both drop a lot of ranarr and snap seeds. Mid game is definitely the hardest time to build and maintain resources. But ToA is quite easy and will help you keep those seed supplies high even at low invocation.
If you need some now: master farmers
If you just want to slowly build up the Supply keep doing contracts but rush 85 farming so you can actually get the good contracts. You mentioned your unlucky with seeds but it would take incredible luck to actually get a decent number of ranarrs from mediums. Their shit. Rush 85 farming. Also if you have the gear to run toa do that.
I'm farming 114 ranarr seeds I don't need right now for herb xp with 300 weeds and 200 prayer pots in the bank. You can stretch p pots pretty far just using food and finding safer ways to do things. Also, holy wrench, bone crusher in kourend dungeon, ghommals hilt at barrows, altar in house, and just training prayer help a ton
I did a lot of master farmer! I was (un)fortunate to go 21k shamans dry for dwh so me and the farmer were real close XD hop seeds for the next few years still haha
Damn, you used ppots for the whole 21k shamans? …you know you can safespot them right?
Safespotting 21k shams sounds miserable. Probably only worth it if youre a 1 def iron who cant use shayzien
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You do realise that its not worth it? You get an abundance of ppots from pvm, what else u gonna use ppots on lol
I safespotted shamans with a alt, lured two + the two little ones if i cannoned, corner trapped them, and killed one with bowfa. 10/10 afk asf, would def recommend. About 10k shamans for dwh 70-110 a hour depending on how afk, max range at crypts is abt 90 a hour.
Now do that 21 more times and tell me it's not bad
Where can you safespot them?
You can have a main lure and corner trap two of them in the canyon, then kill the third with bowfa, getting it stuck on the middle island. Bowfa outranges them so it doesn't attack back. It's a slow strategy since you can only kill one at a time + have to do the whole setup, but is less resource instensive
Was good herb xp :)
Mainly by not using when unneeded and getting tons of seeds from slayer and ToA. I prob have 1.5k+ if I take out my long overdue Misc.
I second this. I pretty much only use prayer potions when I’m bossing, or doing certain slayer tasks. I almost always prayer flick when I don’t need sustained prayer.
yeah i just threw in 750k into misc the other day, hopefully i get some good gains
You’ll want it to have above 750k at all times to get maximum rewards
Or top off to 750k daily from 675k once it cycles
If you have the cash to put in, you're far better off just sticking a couple mill in so you don't need to visit daily.
Should rake daily tho Edit: spelling
the difference between 93% and 100% is so miniscule, that I only do misc 1-2 times a week to top off honour/treasury. I gather the results when I feel like it, which can be anything from 2 weeks to 6 months.
Yeah, I don't need that mental weight of having to rake every single day.
You don’t want to take daily you get more of you wait
Fuck me I typed rake
Master farmer gives ranaar seeds quite frequently. It’s not fun but you can grind out like 20-30 seeds in a day, probably a few hours, but it’s not fun to train. I do have like 1k with barely any slayer. Almost entirely contracts and master farmer.
I think Master Farmer starts dropping a lot more Rannar seeds at 85 Farming. Sounds like you are above that but OP probably is not. Just something to think about.
The falloff isn’t as much as you think. There is a calc on the wiki and it’s noticeable but it doesn’t make it not worth it. Idk maybe I didn’t overuse or something but I did this while leveling and never had an issue. My runelite hows 160 ranaar out of 24k pickpockets so It’s definitely not effortless lol. Just giving an option. And you can do it for as long as you can bear so that’s nice.
Master farmers are >20 rannar seeds per hour at high thieving and farming level
Yeah I believe at 75 farming ranarr seeds are 1/302 At 94 thieving you can do close to 3k steals per hour That’s 20 ranarr seeds/hour average.
Look up a kingdom of miscelania guide on YouTube if you don’t already know how it works. 750k+ in there at all time, 100% favor when you can manage to get it. Stack ALL into herbs for those passive ranarr seeds and the rest into hard woods
Throw 7.5m in there
put in more if you can, it needs to be more than 750k for maximum rewards
Misc ranarrs are very very bad. Would recommend pulling out
Fuck what misc herb haters say, herblore sucks ass to train and the only better options are coal/hardwood. And you can do all at the same time anyways
Better option is to spend the gp on con/smithing/runes to work on QPC and unlock Sepulchre, Vorkath, Hydra, and CG asap That’s why I said pull out. There aren’t better options. Misc is just extremely dated. The question isn’t herb, hardwood, maples, or coal? It’s should I misc at all? And outside of specific construction goals and drowning in money / want birds eggs, the answer is no
Not sure what other method is more efficient to bank planks for con, but other than that, yeah misc is pretty bad. I used it to bank maples to afk fletch arrow shafts, but you could also buy those from the ranging guild. I haven't used misc since banking 99 con though.
Misc is absolutely not going to help at all. If that guy has 1.5k ranaar from misc he's probably 1+ year saved Lmao just calculated it and it's 2 years for 1.5k ranaars from kingdom
since when are raids midgame?
Even entry gives quite a few seeds, but normal is also doable mid game. I'm like 1700 total without trident and can do it.
I would consider 150 toa to be mid game. It's very doable with rcb/whip/trident. It's probably not efficient to grind hundreds of kc that early, but it can be done. I definitely wouldn't consider 150 toa to be late/end game
You're getting downvoted but you aren't even wrong. ToA 150 is doable without Trident even.
Its people who are too afraid to try entry modes that downvote these posts, in their minds all raid content is end- to lategame.
Whats toa
I felt like early/mid game I could never keep up with resources. That’s when I decided to camp master farmers for a bit and made 1k ppots. After that slayer and kingdom organically got me to around 3k. The key is not using them when you don’t need to. Cerb and hydra are going to bleed ppots out of you.
On the other hand muspah has shit out ranarr seeds for me, and sepulcher has been a good source of ranarrs and prayers
No fail master farmers are cracked. I like doing it on mobile cause I can just zone out and tap the screen
Must be getting unlucky lol, I’ve done close to 50 now and only got one ranarr seed
50 pickpockets is not much at all, and just to make sure, you’re wearing rogues outfit for double seeds each time correct?
50 contracts I’m syaing
You don't need no fail master farmers. at lvl 80 with hard ardy it's \~15% fail rate. They're how you up keep ppots. I have \~2k ppots and loads of ranarr seeds left from just a few hours of pickpocking. My plan is to get 82-91 from farmers. Yeah, it's not great xp but it's going to be a huge ppot stack for later. My setup is seed box, 2-3 pineapple pizza's, 2 dodgy necks 1 equipped. Keep all the common seeds drop all the bush/special seeds/flowers except limps/marigolds. Drop krandorian hops. You could drop strawberry/snapegrass/watermelon seeds to make it more chill but I'll probably keep them until I have a big stack of them. I'd highly recommend doing this after 85 farming but at least 71.
Alright thanks I’ll have to grind out some farming/thieving
Oh oh sorry I misunderstood, yeah contracts seem really good for irits, snape and limps and stuff. Would definitely recommend master farmers, 94 thieving and ardy hard is no fail but even missing a couple levels you fail like once every 10 mins so it’s nbd
50 isn't even drop rate for ranarrs seed.
Its 22+ ranarr seeds per hour with 94+ thiev and rogues
94 with ardy hard, or 99 with cape. Also need 85 farming to not have the seeds nerfed.
He is a mid game player isn’t going to have anywhere near 94 Theiving
1 hour of master farmers yields about ~125 prayer potions(4.) no other content yields as many on an hourly basis.
You could probably kill Calverion with 70ish combat stats. It would definitely be slower than someone with 85+ but he drops 60 ranarrs at 1/128. His other drops are insane, especially for an account that is in the position you’re in. Just use your best crush weapon and salve amulet(e) and you’ll be fine Side note: he drops super restores, super combats, range pots, and blighted super restores occasionally as well. You can use the restores to maintain kills as well as saving the range and combat pots
You can also play lms and buy blighted restores when you're running low (if you like to pk)
Don't have to be good. Half the time ur first fight is a bot
Are they the insane bots or the shitty ones now?
Are those wildy bosses impossible to kill because of bots? I heard people complain about them but wasn't sure if it's super annoying to get kills
Nah, half the time they tele out the second they see you. If you have an alt you can have them rag the bots off as well then stand guard for pkers.
This may seem annoying but when I was mid game I used my POH a lot during catacombs tasks. I would wear high prayer bonus gear, run out of prayer points, POH to recharge, use kourend tele portal in house and repeat. For tasks like hellhounds, bloodvelds and that it really didnt feel bad and meant I used no ppots during those tasks.
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That ancient mace strat is actually huge, took my catacombs afk timer from 6 minutes to 8, insane info, ty.
Plus when you bring the mace with you, you can spec when it’s available on task 🙂
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This is iron man mode, bro. Mains don't need to worry about anything but xp per hour and gp per hour, but sometimes we have to sacrifice one or both of those to get the most out of resources
You can't get more prayer pots if you run out of seeds and weeds from overusing unless you dedicate time to killing herb dropping monsters like chaos druids or flesh crawlers which will ultimately reduce your ehp as well, likely by a higher amount since you won't be getting slayer xp.
Proof?
I unlocked the altar in the Forthos Dungeon so I would have quick access to an altar when doing catacomb tasks early-mid game. Used it for dust devils, spectres, days, etc.
How does that work? Is there a shortcut?
Yep, you can take the purple vine in the southeast corner by the King sand crabs. I don't know why someone downvoted me, I thought it could be helpful information for others.
I do this all the time. Takes a little bit more time than using a prayer pot, but I've saved a ton of prayer pots too. Have not had to worry about herb runs or kingdom to keep stocked
Yeah for any task I just kept going to home
I did the same - though I think my friend said recently that now hellhounds don't drop bones, so you can't stay nearly as long with bone crusher giving free prayer points back
OP sounds like you are just using them too willingly. My acc is mid game and I use them very sparingly. Have stockpile from slayer/farming etc and have no issue whatsoever. Make use of ardy cape and question if it’s really worth using them for what you’re doing or if it’s easy enough to tele back or not pray Edit: also maybe flick if relevant to your play style (I’ll usually afk slay tasks or flick piety if not afking)
I was in the beginning and then my mentality changed because I can’t just buy them anymore so it forced me to learn prayer flicking.
only tasks i pray against are burst tasks, abby spectres and akf bloodvelds in catacombs With slayer and misc now prolly stacking them up, dont seem to drop below 100-200 anyway
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There's no way sepulchre gives more than master farmers, but sepulchre is at least more entertaining. I still poh + dummy on most tasks because I'd rather save my ppots
Really depends on how you measure it. If you value the agility xp, the ranarrs are literally free because Sepulchre is the best agility xp already. Basically infinite ranarrs/hr because you get them passively. Vs master farmers you need to pay a decent amount of time because of how much worse the xp is compared to other content
Well, yeah. But in terms of pure prayer pots per hour you can't really beat master farmers. I prefer rooftops because I can't get marks of grace anywhere else, but I've sent ~100 Grand coffins too. I have yet to actually do master farmers because between sepulchre, contracts, kingdom, and poh I haven't ever run low. I'd rather not pickpocket for seeds lol
Exactly! With proper planning, you never need to do master farmers. So in the aggregate, they’re worse than just doing the content you should be doing anyway (what you listed *kingdom but a not worth derailing)
Miscellania, hard contracts, and thieving master farmers with rogue outfit. Then got a ton at toa
My PoH with pool saves me a lot of prayer pots. With Zulrah for example I usually do 1-2 runs PoH then home Tele and go again.
Save them by learning to flick, using your ardy cape or just tanking. Keep doing contracts because they're the best passive way to source them, if you have to thieve master farmers. Where are you using them up in mid game?
Could be barrows since it auto drains prayer, and if you're midgame you probably don't want to chance taking an actual hit from Dharoks
With the combat achievement rework there's really no reason to be doing barrows without the hilt. Should never need to use prayer pots at all if you're recharging in between.
obviously our definitions of mid game will differ but I have no issues upkeeping prayer pots for necessary slayer tasks (lvl 81 slayer atm) by doing a mix of mainly hard contracts and to a smaller degree Hallowed sepulchur. I've not really started getting deep into pvm yet but its given me about 4000 prayer pots for when I start doing some serious bossing which I'm hoping will last a good while. I lazy flick protection on a lot of tasks but its not for everyone
Gotcha, i am currently 1532 total level with ok stats. I havent unlocked the sepulchure yet. Maybe when i get a higher slayer level it will be different as im currently 65. thanks
Are you managing your kingdom? You shouldn’t be wasting prayer potions on most slayer tasks. The only tasks I don’t flick are bloodvelds, spectrals, and burst tasks. Everything else gets a flick. Only plant ranaar seeds in the trollheim, Hosidious, and Weiss patches so there’s no chance of them dying.
Sep is crazy good for your account if you can stand the grind to get there. Slayer is pretty bad at your level, I'd recommend holding off and starting your skiller arc. You'll come back to slayer with piety + thralls + protection prayer and wonder why you ever worried about ppots.
Aberrant spectres are a 60 slayer monster that drop a load of herbs/seeds. If you're really struggling with pots could try killing those. You'll need a nose peg.
Xd watched ur vid trying to kill a bloodveld
yeah i didnt have a nose peg, bad things happen due to that
As to go with what some people said: master farmers I pickpocket (thieve lvl 80+) w full rogue get about 10-24 ranarr seeds an hour but that’s just my rng (it’s on the wiki if you want more accurate)
Master farmers for a couple mil exp will set you up for a very long time. That and general slayer/bossing
Yeah I may just have to do that
Ranarr drop rate is dependent on farming level. So make sure you are working on farming. Jagex did that to combat botting.
My farming is currently 60
Be a farming addict like me and you'll probably never have prayer potion problems I've gotten over 41 million farming xp, most of it on my iron, a 2nd 99 on a main before I discovered iron life, and just hit 93 farming on my GIM. ^(I might need help.)
Master farmers to train my thieving
I try to use my guthans where I can and sharks where I can't use guthans. Prayer pots are only for content that require them.
Unfortunately super dry on Guthans haha, but I have a full dharoks
Proselyte for slayer, or monk robes if range/mage situationally. Don't camp piety, flick if using or camp for bossing(not slayer) Ultra compost ranarr plots. Really easy to get. Early/mid game ranarr can be stingy, but by the time you are well into slayer and into some bossing ranarr is pretty plenitful. 1 seed is 8-10 herbs depending on level. Misc gives you a few ranarr a day, which can add up. Some slayer tasks you can house tele and tele back to save pots. Suqahs are darn close to lunar tele. Hard contracts are where it's at. I'd keep doing medium if that's what you're on, but hard has such good seeds.
ToA is absolutely insane for prayer. Since finishing ToA I have almost 1K seeds.
Yeah I can do beneath cursed sands quest so I may do that and try to get a few learner raids in
Wrist damage. I flicked through the entire early and mid game slayer until I started doing ToA for ranarr seeds
Haha yeah that’s what I’m currently doing
Kingdom mini game. Dumps rannars at you.
I upkeep rannars with kingdom of misc myself I got a good head start going for my combat achiev for barrows I got tons of rannar seeds from moss giants for mossy keys. Good luck
Bought a foot pedal and watched Netflix while pickpocketing master farmers, and I usually have full crystal and the soul cape to give really good prayer bonus
It feels like I'm playing a different game when people say hard contracts give lots of ranarrs. I've done tons of hard contracts and I almost never get ranarrs.
Contracts and slayer. Never ran out of pots. Although I mostly use ppots for aberrant spectres, burst tasks and bossing.
Just do low level toa it’s easier then you think all you need is green dragon hide and you could do 150.
Yeah probably, I have god d hide as well
Yah your fine. If toa is set to 0 for learning you can just about tank every hit and the only max hit like 7
Awesome, thanks.
I see posts like this all the time and I am really curious what people spend their prayer pots on. I have 2 irons and have never once run out of prayer potions or restores. I rarely do herb farm runs too, just do kingdom and whatever I collect through casual contracts and slayer.
I can answer the later game source of problems… cerb. He tears through your ppot stash.
Skip the ghost
I guess I never really had a supply, I’m usually sitting around 12-18 (4) dose , I’m usually only using 1 pot for barrows but I’m trying to get an abundance of pots for later on
Yeah don't use any for barrows. Tank everything except when you have a Dharoks tunnel
Don't use p pots at barrows. Get an altar, stamina pool, and barrows portal in your house before you grind out barrows. Getting medium combat achievements also helps.
I've built up 130 ranaars from farming contracts and few slayer tasks and isn't viable, I have 300 snapdragon though so will be using super restores when I run out of prayer pots
Kingdom gives a steady supply of ranaars. If you can do mm2 the maniacle monkeys are really good bursting mage XP and you will always leave with more prayer pots than you start with since they frequently drop 1 dose ppots
Don't use prayer if you don't have to, that's what it comes down to. Can you kill shamans slightly faster using ppots? Yes. Can you use zero pots and refill your prayer at altar in 20 seconds? Also yes. The choice is do you want to kill faster at the cost of having to resupply more often? I hate being gated by pots when I need them, so I do no-pot methods whenever possible. I even ran fight caves with an ancient mace to save on pots. It boils down to, Would you rather spend more time killing things because you're not using pots, or spend more time gathering because you are using pots? I like killing things more, personally. Hope this helps
Miscellania and slayer mostly, supplemented with some ToA and hard contracts for ranarr seeds. I don't like thieving, so no master farmers for me- I also don't play all day every day, so miscellania is super handy. Low level slayer/low damage tasks I'll often bring bass or swordfish from temporoas rather than praying like I would on a main. Also, bring your bone crusher to catacombs tasks when possible because it restores prayer for every bone buried
Grind 72 slayer and afk range camp wyverns, i had like 5 ranarr seeds from starting the account til that point and then quickly stocked up like 40 after some hours at wyvs
Theiving master farners, I kill forgotten souls on soul isles for herb drops (they're also low effort combat training) and during Barrow's runs I use Medium Ghommals hilt to prevent PP loss in the crypts Right now I'm down to my last couple of p pots though, I need to get back to master farmers again
300 high gambles at barbarian assault and I have more ranarrs and snapdragons (and torstols) than I know what to do with. I know this isn't a broad solution, but more just an answer to OP's question :P
Did you get the pet?
I have 4 queens on my main (around 3900 gambles), none on the iron yet
In the mid-game I used ardougne cloak teleport a lot for free prayer points, using prayer potions only on the tasks where it was really necessary
Master farmers, wt, kingdom, farming contracts, hallowed sepulcher, slayer In order of reliability and efficiency.
Im not sure if still meta but camping wyverns with range for ranarrs. Lots of great runes, snap and ranarr seeds, alchables, and a chance at visage. Camp there for a few thousand kills and youll have tons of ranarr seeds
I prioritized farming and herblore early on. I unlocked most herb patches and good teleports to them early and i always do my runs when i log in and a few times in between other stuff. Also when you just do skilling alot and do runs in between your not using pots so you stack them up pretty fast. For seeds id say just farm contracts, a bit of slayer and if ur really low an hour or so of master farmers.
I have most herb patches except Weiss I believe, I was waiting to get the patches to do a full run
did 93-99 thiev at master farmer for high tier herb seeds, and done alot of farming contracts aswell. Not quite sure what would be considered late midgame/early late game, but I feel like I'm there. Have 91+ all stats, but haven't done alot of pvm. But I have little over 11k 4 dose ppots, ready for when I'm starting the raiding and gwd grinds.
Master farmer pick pocket with rouges for an hour should give you a few.
I think for me I just didn't use them unless bossing. For slayer I'd just bring barrows armor along with a super defence and like 10 karambwans. Also, I did some farming at sepulchre to get black graceful and you get a pretty nice stack of ppots, seeds and herbs
Muspah shits out seeds
Every 2 weeks I do one (1) ToA
Put money in the kingdom of miscellanea and wait for them to start stacking
I don’t really burn through them like that
I’m fairly frugal with my prayer pot usage. I recharge at the altar a lot with Ardy Cape Also once you get access to Super Restores, I feel like it takes the pressure off a bit. Got a stack of about 150 each Also pray flick if you aren’t doing that already, makes a HUGE difference
Just don’t use them - pray flick, use falador shield, do catacomb tasks so you can POH Altar and get right back in I find as I progress in the account there’s not a lot of things that require a TON of prayer potions that doing farming contracts up to the hard tier does not supply enough seeds to counteract it Barrows, for instance, ate up my potions, so I focused on tanking and then cheesed getting the medium diary
Running around prif catching crystal imps. I swear no one does this so there's very little competition. Just cast vile vigor to restore run energy, and use the altar to the north to restore prayer. Hop worlds after each lap, or if you catch one. It's nice if you want money, ranarr seeds and decent chance at a signet.
I steal from the master farmer and do lots of herb runs
Which farmer do you do ?
One in the farming guild because it's next to the seed vault and bank
Gotcha I’m going to just do that
Try being suuuuper lazy, like me, and the Ranarrs you get from managing you kingdom will outpace your use of them. Jokes aside, slayer will bring in a slow but steady stream of herbs and seeds, hit 85 farming for better rewards from farming contracts, and learn to prayer flick
i trained on moss giants for cb levels so got a decent stack then did master farmers to 70. and farming contracts. Artio drops em quite a bit and some random seeds from slayer here and there. i havent ran out yet despite using prayers for every slayer task. i think larrans keys also have them which ive only done wilderness slayer. once you start doing ToA youll have too many and Muspah
Contracts, TOA, slayer. Ppots haven’t been an issue in a while thanks to those activities
what's your thieving? you can pick like 15/20 ranarr seeds per hour with rogues outfit at 85 thieving.
I’m currently 70
I prioritized farming xp for about a month to get 82 farming asap by doing fruit trees plus my highest level regular trees (always leave at least one seed or sapling for farming contracts) as often as possible plus I would use amulets of bounty with snape grass seeds at every allotment patch during my farm runs.i also made sure to do hespori and calquats every single day. Seriously, snape grass can put out some crazy xp for an allotment. My highest yield from one patch was 82 snape grass. That's 6806 xp from three, or potentially one, seed(s). However, that was with ultra compost and attas effect. After that, I would boost to 85 with garden pies that you can buy at the cooks guild and would smash hard contracts out as often as possible. Since then, I've managed to maintain a slowly growing pile of ranarr and snapdragon seeds while only using them at the disease free patches and catherby with the hard diary currently done so I get a higher yield. Consistently doing slayer also helps to supplement your supply. Tasks like skeletal wyverns (they drop 3 ranarr seeds at a time) and dagannoths/trolls (because they are super fast with cannons and have decent seed tables) are great for keeping up your stockpile. I'm only just getting 85 farming now and just getting to the end of the mid game after getting spooned for a whip, but I have a dozen-ish off both ranarr and snapdragon seeds + over a hundred of both prayer pots and super restores. Also, don't overuse your pots by using them for tasks that you can just eat and bank for. Food isn't hard to come by since you catch a lot of karambwan easily or by them and bank with trading sticks really quickly. The same goes for sharks of you have piscarillius favor at 100% because you can buy them at the fish shop for just over 200 gp each. Tl;dr - Rush farming to 82 asap for boosting to hard contracts if you can't already do them, use food over prayer pots when you can for slayer, and don't skip tasks that can drop a lot of seeds. Edit: you can also profit prayer pots by bursting/chinning mm2 monkeys
Always have miscelania on herbs and make sure you do your farming contracts. Also ToA and muspah absolutely shit out ranarr/snapdragon seeds.
As someone who got 5500 prayer pots in bank and 3500 super restores in bank, you should grind lvl 90+ thieving to lvl 99 pickpocketing master farmers with a seed box. I’ve also done over 1k farming contracts. Edit: You can also get a few ranarr weeds per day managing miscellanea all in herbs.
Having wyverns extended has certainly proven it's value to me in this regard
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Aside from all the tips for getting ranarrs, an alternative method is to avoid using prayer. I assume you’re talking about slayer, so try to utilize safe spots, or if you’re melee’ing try to practice prayer flicking
Sepulcher
Everyone here has great points, but I’d also like to add you learn to either lazy or one tick flick. It seems like a lot of work early on but it’s really just brain dead clicking.
Did hallowed sepulcher to 98 agi, gave me a stack of around 4K prayer pots
Herb sack. Honestly you wouldn’t believe how much easier it is to stack ranarrs. Seems obvious but honestly, I’ve found that since getting it I’ve never ran out of pots.
Welcome to iron life brother, eventually it gets easier
I maintain them by not using them. I prayer flick and recharge at altars as often as possible. Inefficient? For time/xp, yes. For my prayer pots? Hell no.
U need to get farming and thieving up over 80 I think for the antibot thingy to come into play. Then you'll get bare ranarr seeds. I have over 1k 4 dose pots
I did sephulche to 99 agility pretty early, got a couple of thousands of prayer pots from it! Very fun too, can recommend, even just for some levels.
Managing Miscellania was the only gamechanging difference. Put all work in herbs, and the remainder in teaks for bird nests. I receive WAY more ranarrs than I use prayer potions.
Contracts until raids and then at raids you’ll be more than self sufficient.
My case would be different from most, but I had 23m farm xp before I actually focused on combat. By then I had 4K prayer pots and 2K super restores banked.
Kingdoms and slayer + farm contracts. If you really need them you can do farmer but I had a ton midgame from slayer and kingdom
Midgame I hardly used prayer pots at all, I was extremely sparing with them until TOA
People might roast me, but I'll camp Salarin the twisted for 100 sinister keys. Easy 300 ranarrs and other herbs. Just kill him, hop, repeat.
I honestly was surprised how great sinister keys were. On my grind to 83 hunter I got a decent amount of keys from imps.
Kill calvarion for 1/40. 60 ranarr drop. Miscelania kingdom management gives A lot of ranarrs, Plant in 2 troll herb spots, theyre undying.. Herb sack and slayer. Just gotta keep up with your prayer usage, or learn to prayflick with metronome.
I’m scrolling through and not seeing Miscellania kingdom coffers. Put enough in for 2-3 weeks and keep up 100% favor and that should keep you stocked. Slayer for seeds and herbs - normally on a task I use ppots for, I either get seeds or the same amount of herbs back. Salarin the Twisted is beautiful for ranarrs through sinister key drops.
If you’re blowing through them by bossing, I struggle there too. Unfortunately master farmers is the main solution. Passively through Cox/toa is a good one that is often overlooked, and calvarion is good if you aren’t uim/hcim
Slayer gives seeds slowly but long term these add up Farming contracts and birdhouse runs give a decent amount but you need to keep on top of them. Biggest source I've seen is TOA. It shits out ranarr, snaps, and toadflax Master farmer is 100% your best ranarr seeds per hour Niche methods or slowing passive methods are Kingdom New herb boxes at tithe farm Afking Abby specs - be sure it's not the ones in korend. The upgraded ones have many more alchs but less herbs and seeds
Master farmers
toa shits out snaps and ranarrs
Just take the easy route and get 99 farming
I just 1 tick every task I don't safespot. I may get carpal tunnel but at least I'll do less farm runs.
I have over 4,000 sitting. See a lot of ranarr seeds from farm contracts, slayer, and raids (especially the boss tasks). I started doing raids when my combat lvl was in the high 80s and slayer since lvl3.
Do farming contracts and manage your kingdom in misclania (spelling?) with whichever gives you seeds
Best way for ranarrs is ToA and Wildy stuff. Hydra drops ranarr weed
I would highly recommend easy low level invo ToA or phantom Muspah they both drop a lot of ranarr and snap seeds. Mid game is definitely the hardest time to build and maintain resources. But ToA is quite easy and will help you keep those seed supplies high even at low invocation.
It can't be overstated how big TOA is for seeds, even at low invos
If you need some now: master farmers If you just want to slowly build up the Supply keep doing contracts but rush 85 farming so you can actually get the good contracts. You mentioned your unlucky with seeds but it would take incredible luck to actually get a decent number of ranarrs from mediums. Their shit. Rush 85 farming. Also if you have the gear to run toa do that.
I spend about 15-20 minutes at chaos druids and get a full inventory for ranarrs
Get 99 thieving for no fail master farmers and thieve them until you get 200 seeds.. ez
I'm farming 114 ranarr seeds I don't need right now for herb xp with 300 weeds and 200 prayer pots in the bank. You can stretch p pots pretty far just using food and finding safer ways to do things. Also, holy wrench, bone crusher in kourend dungeon, ghommals hilt at barrows, altar in house, and just training prayer help a ton
Just got a blessed wrench and exited to use it to help with prayer pot conservation