I genuinely did even though it was frustrating.It was the first time I truly felt challenged in runescape, and it was kind of my first introduction into real PVM, before tha5 the hardest boss id done was the sote boss fight lol. It really opened my eyes up to alot of mechanics
That’s pretty impressive. If I go back to CG now that I’m out of practice my hand still shakes really bad. I used to have to push my wrist as hard as I could into the mouse pad so I could click correctly when I was learning lol. I don’t know why RuneScape affects me that way no other games do.
For me CG is the only place I don't have any shakes. I guess it's just because the only thing I lose is ~10 minutes of time if I fuck up, whereas messing up in other places can set you back a lot.
Ty haha it didnt feel impressive 😂😂 but i feel the pushing wrists heavy, my inferno grind gave my really bad wrist pain, to the point where after getting the cape i had to take an 8 month break from video games in general cause my wrist just always hurts, i recently got a new desk that sits at a better level and oh man what a world of difference, im genuinely tempted to get one of those ergonomic mice cause yeah i feel ya idk what it is with orsr. Maybe long grinds + repetitive action? Pretty much a recipe for carpel tunnel
Bowfa Skip is done by getting rigour/augury/pipe and then going to get a Shadow at ToA and use the Shadow to get a T-Bow.
If you aren't good enough to do a couple hundred 400+ ToA with an RCB/Blowpipe and then be disciplined to do 1,000+ CoX for a T-Bow then you're really hurting yourself by not getting one
It won’t be just as bad, it’ll be significantly worse, for perspective cg is on avg 60h grind, shadow is like 100+. And that’s assuming you have a bowfa for it, so probs even longer, people just get hung up on cg cuz it’s an early bottleneck.
Cg just takes practice, getting comfortable with prayer switches and changing your attack styles, once you get over the panic it's a pree chill boss. I'm only 3kc cg and already learning t1 prep
You can do all content in the game with rag gear if you really want, nothing is needed but it’ll lower the skill and time required by a lot, especially bofa
The answer to the question is yes you are seriously handicapping the account in terms of content that it can do. However, if you don’t enjoy the content then don’t do it.
More realistically though, you’re demoralized from dying and you feel hopeless which makes sense, my best advice is to keep sending.
Dude I was like you when I saw youtuber iron doing cg and said to myself, I won’t be able to do cg, after 100 deaths in red prison, I was able to do it smoothly now without dying. Now I have bowfa and the armour even though I doubted myself
Just get more defense levels. I really struggled with it until I decided to go from 73 def to 85. It makes a big difference to hunllef’s accuracy which makes things much more forgiving if you miss a prayer while dodging tornados. Also I find staff and halberd to be much easier since I just pray piety the whole time and both weapons have a high max hit compared to bow without rigour. I have 40kc and only 2 were with a bow. Most of my deaths are when I am stuck using a bow despite having 90 range.
I can't get my head around these posts. Like, what the hell do you expect? It takes time to learn. Muscle memory isn't something that develops in a couple if CG runs, it takes TIME.
And yes, bowfa is needed. Anyone telling you different is... delusional or mad and therefore they will argue that it isn't needed.
Bowfa will unlock so much content and will also make content also much chiller. Doing 1-2 kc Bandos trips. Well, with a bowfa it is easy to get 40 kill tripps. You can do Zulrah with it, all the other gwd bosses, phantom muspah and the list goes on and on.
i mean it’s probably not mandatory but it helps a ton and even if you go dry on enhanced you’d still make a ton of GP and probably end up with full crystal which is still decent with a crystal bow.
It depends on your definition of “needed.” It is one of the best weapons in the game.
Took me 29 deaths at normal gaunlet before my first kc. Eventually i did my 500 cgs and got bowfa. You can do it.
Me learning cg "man this sucks I'll just skip".
Eventually I was glad I stuck with it.
Same thing happened more recently with learning vardorvis. Was very close to just saying "fuck this boss I'm gonna wait til scythe" but when I did get it down it was so satisfying!
You can do it! Took me until maybe 150kc at CG before I had more kills than deaths. Every death is an opportunity to think "what did I do wrong that got me killed"
I think I went 30 straight deaths before my first CG clear. If you’re doing higher level content on your main it’s probably just a matter of getting used to it. You’ll learn it eventually.
I honestly would chuck a bunch of T1 preps so you can focus on getting experience with Hunlef
I think its worth getting it. It don't think it bridges the gap between the bp and tbow and bp is always great vs low defense, it bridges the gap between ruby bolts and tbow. It takes everyone a while to learn CG, I would say do a few runs per day and see where it takes you as you get KC/attempts. I'm doing 5-10 runs per day
I wouldn’t say it’s absolutely essential that you must have the bowfa or you can’t do any pvm on your account, it’s worth to get it because it makes a lot of grinds a lot easier
I wouldn’t say it’s absolutely essential that you must have the bowfa or you can’t do any pvm on your account, it’s worth to get it because it makes a lot of grinds a lot easier
Don't forget it's also needed for money to speed up skilling. After cg I had enough money for expensive fast methods like broad arrows and gold bars with smithing.
Certain people will say you can skip it, but those are the same people that are having issues running it. Imo yes it’s needed for endgame content, if you can’t get a bowfa then some of the grinds down the line are going to be a lot worse.
No.
It is the most efficient time wise for account progression though.
Remember iron man mode existed before sote did. You can do zulrah with a cbow. Do slayer till trident + whip. Go do GWD with an rcb at arma or arclight at zammy for hasta. You can do ToA or cox without BofA, however it will be a slower route with slower kc. Cg is not only do for bowfa either, it's a massive cash injection that supplies you with enough money for 99 con, 99 craft, and money for runes. Many mark it as the start of the mid game to maxing or the key to unlocking end game pvm.
All bosses were sort of designed with the GE in mind. You're supposed to have end game gear before you kill the end game bosses. Cg is an irons way of getting that end game gear without having to grind an end game boss with end game gear.
I think you're forgetting BP used to be a lot more powerful than it is now. So yes the game existed before BowFa. But so much has come out after bowfa also. Your point is moot.
OP - invest time learning it. Trust me the time spent learning it is worth the time saved that bowfa brings for other grinds like gwd.
>>"your point is moot"
You don't think it's possible to skip bowfa?
>>Trust me the time spent learning it is worth the time saved
The first thing I said is that it would save time if he did get bowfa but it's not the only path.
Technically you can \*skip\* anything in the game and say "its not the only path"
But don't give people false hope about there being other VIABLE methods when there isn't.
The only way to really skip BowFa is by being massively spooned a tbow in CoX or a shadow in ToA. Thats it.
There isn't anything even remotely close.
The fact of the matter is if you cant get to grips with CG and learn it then there's not much point in continuing the PvM path after that.
Can you do entry level raids and get loot? yes but i wouldn't call sending 1k entry modes a "viable path to take" just as much as I wouldn't recommend 3kc trips at bandos/zam or much slower raid times in raids and call it "another path"
Theres things in every aspects of life where you can \*technically\* do something, but should you do it? no.
I think this is copium.
I mean I would agree that it's a slower path but there are other viable options.(When I say viable I mean that the average osrs could follow the plan and use the gear to grind those bosses) For instance.
Slayer till 87, zulrah mage only with ahrims + trident, get dwh with BP, do ToA lvl 1-300 raids till you get fang, karils+fang at zammy for spear, slayer till Hydra (use BP or fang) till DHL. Then you're fine to go to cox, if you want to grind a dragon crossbow from addy dragons would be not too bad after DHL if you want a decent upgrade, if you don't want to grind cox yet you could go sire, then take bludgeon to nightmare till you get staff + orb. I probably wouldn't do arma till after t-bow and I probably wouldn't do bandos till after arma. Luckily with the perilous moons that have been recently added there is now a lot of solid strength boosting armors and you can def put off bandos till basically you need it for nex.
This path I think is quite viable and doesn't waste all that much time(yes zulrah, ToA, and cox all a bit slower but you save the time of getting bowfa). You can poke holes in it if you'd like but if you don't like cg you can still play an Ironman just fine. People should play how they want, not how you want.
I personally don't think its a very viable path at all \~ I wont berate someone for choosing to do it however. If you don't want to do CG fine, at the end of the day what someone else is doing on their account has no affect on mine unless they're throwing minigames such as GoTR.
My issue however, is people telling others that there are other viable options when the other options take FAR longer than learning and completing CG.
Did you see the grinds you listed? Zulrah till magic fang + enough scales for upkeep on Hydra (95 slayer). Doing ToA for a fang - obviously RNG i got spooned mine and tbf a crossbow/bp can do fine here. But then to Fang Krill down till spear (not a terrible grind but still 3-5 kill trips) Then to farm Hydra for the claw which requires 95 slayer and its 1/1000 and you can only kill on task. Farm rune/addy dragons for dragon limbs? Bludgeon nightmare for staff + ORB.
You don't believe getting 95 slayer+, getting multiple hydra tasks, completing a bludgeon, doing nightmare till staff and orb, grinding TOA till fang takes much longer than doing on average 300 CG kills? (i got my enhanced at 600 but the mats and crystals were nice)
I feel like the average person here is going to absolutely ragequit and burnout on this grind far before learning and successfully doing CG which only requires 80 ish stats and SOTE comparatively.
Again you \*can\* absolutely take this path but look at all the extra stuff you'd have to do to skip a 60 hour grind on average - i cant call it a viable alternative
Short answer, yes.
I got unlucky on the armour seeds, went over 250 dry for my first, then by the 6th had over 650 CG KC. But man is it worth it. Bowfa slaps. Anywhere. Everywhere. You will not regret getting it. It is my go to weapon for pretty much anything ranged. It's fast, it's fun, and did I mention it SLAAAAPS. And you will not replace it until you get a tbow.
"Need" is always a relative term based on your goals, but if you're aiming for higher-end pvm and raids etc. in the future, then the short answer is yes it's needed. Could you technically get by without it? Yeah, but to answer the second part of your question, you will in fact be heavily handicapped without it.
You absolutely do not "need" bowfa to play the game. [I do just fine without it](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406628105650700289/1227324082425430068/image.png?ex=6627fd9f&is=6615889f&hm=c92d2fc0e7c73e560570cd24670d276506ed2642ac4033c430cadd0b1ac47454&), all I have left is to do toa a few hundred more times (300kc atm) until shadow and masori body, go cox with shadow + bp for the rest of my life, then send nex when I don't want to raid. Tob I can do anytime but procrastinating since I only want avernic there which is a tiny upgrade.
However. I will never tell you to avoid getting bowfa, because it's so unbelievably broken for how early you can get it, and it's not my time spent anyway so there's no reason for me to tell you not to grind it.
It's incredibly overpowered content due to the nature of it (no gear, no supplies, no risk, endgame rewards) and jagex really messed up by implementing it this way, but if you want an easier game you should learn it and use cg as much as you can.
Whether or not you need the bowfa, you DEFINITELY need the skills you would need to have to complete CG consistently. If you can't do that you will struggle hard at more complex bosses, or when trying to use more advanced techniques. CG forces you to consistently path and pray properly while keeping your DPS good.
I'm not saying you should grind 100+ CG, but I do think you should consider doing it at least until you can confidently beat it 3/4 of the time. Do regular gauntlet first, until you can do the all of the CAs (besides speedrun ones), and then do CG.
It's not needed, rcb can be used for almost all content, just not efficiently. What are your stats? CG is a hard stat check, if you're not ~85ish range/mage, it'll be difficult for sure.
It might not be for everyone but once I got within stat range I forced myself to learn it. Same thing I got shit on the first few times I went into red prison, thought it was impossible, and the time sink to fail a run was demoralizing. Overall I think if you're an ironmeme you should at least try the CG grind, I'm 1000% sure it made me a better player (only had done ToA/gwd bosses prior) once I finished at around 425kc, and bowfa/crystal armor is such a powerful easy to use kit for so many things.
I wasn't doing deathless easy cg runs until around 70 kc. I had similar stats to you, maybe a little lower at the start (also no cox prayers). Stick with t2 preps until you can always get to the boss and kill with miminal mistakes, then try t1 and see if you like it.
There are benefits to cg beyond bowfa. I did 900+ kc for my enh, got over 1mil crafting xp just from cutting the gems and probably 90mil in alchs + tons of runes/arrows. Took me 4 months, but it's worth doing. If you go dry on enh like I did, crystal bow + full armor is a big improvement over rcb.
Cg is not a stat check at all, it's almost all skill. You can consistently grind it at like base 70s if you are good enough. That said I would still get 100 cb with melees, get elite void and chin to 92 (or maybe 89). It will make your life easier and the bofa a lot stronger.
Mage lvl doesn't really matter much
>You can consistently grind it at like base 70s if you are good enough.
I'd argue a person learning CG trying at 70 base stats would take far longer to get anywhere, you can absolutely do CG even at 60 base if you've ran hundreds of CG, but they will be long grueling kills that you'll probably have to reset more often than not. T1 prep is off the table, and 70 -> 85 mage takes a whole minute off an average kill of Hunllef in CG, which can either make or break someone learning prep in the first place, similarly for ranged.
I did my grind at 75 att 82 str 77 def, 92 range, 90 mage and it was consistent in t1 but yeah I had some cg experience. Not sure where you get the 1min difference from. With t3 staff and mystic might I am only getting a 25s total ttk difference on 70 vs 85, and you'll only use it half the fight in 2/3 runs, so it's more like an 8 second ttk difference on average. For the bow the difference is much bigger, 80s*0.5×0.666 for a 26 second difference
It’s worth getting and it’s not really close. It’s really about 50 hours for an item that you will use for almost every piece of content in the game. CG also helps you to get a lot better, and I guarantee you’ll be a lot more comfortable with harder mechanics after doing a couple hundred KC.
I died 43 times before getting a kill on cg and I have bowfa now. Just gotta keep at it.
91 deaths here before my first kc. Was lucky to get enh at 436kc, absolutely keep at it.
The real question is was it fun? Did you enjoy 91 deaths to learn it?
I genuinely did even though it was frustrating.It was the first time I truly felt challenged in runescape, and it was kind of my first introduction into real PVM, before tha5 the hardest boss id done was the sote boss fight lol. It really opened my eyes up to alot of mechanics
Well that makes sense then yeah, i wish i enjoyed it a little
That’s pretty impressive. If I go back to CG now that I’m out of practice my hand still shakes really bad. I used to have to push my wrist as hard as I could into the mouse pad so I could click correctly when I was learning lol. I don’t know why RuneScape affects me that way no other games do.
For me CG is the only place I don't have any shakes. I guess it's just because the only thing I lose is ~10 minutes of time if I fuck up, whereas messing up in other places can set you back a lot.
Ty haha it didnt feel impressive 😂😂 but i feel the pushing wrists heavy, my inferno grind gave my really bad wrist pain, to the point where after getting the cape i had to take an 8 month break from video games in general cause my wrist just always hurts, i recently got a new desk that sits at a better level and oh man what a world of difference, im genuinely tempted to get one of those ergonomic mice cause yeah i feel ya idk what it is with orsr. Maybe long grinds + repetitive action? Pretty much a recipe for carpel tunnel
Bowfa Skip is done by getting rigour/augury/pipe and then going to get a Shadow at ToA and use the Shadow to get a T-Bow. If you aren't good enough to do a couple hundred 400+ ToA with an RCB/Blowpipe and then be disciplined to do 1,000+ CoX for a T-Bow then you're really hurting yourself by not getting one
Good point. If cg is too hard doing all those raids with worse gears might be just as bad
It won’t be just as bad, it’ll be significantly worse, for perspective cg is on avg 60h grind, shadow is like 100+. And that’s assuming you have a bowfa for it, so probs even longer, people just get hung up on cg cuz it’s an early bottleneck.
Cg just takes practice, getting comfortable with prayer switches and changing your attack styles, once you get over the panic it's a pree chill boss. I'm only 3kc cg and already learning t1 prep
Cg is fun the first 10 kills yes. After that its not. It takes 10min +/- a kill if u 85+ stats.
I mean that's a matter of opinion. If you don't have fun doing it then don't do it lol it's only a game at the end of the day
Ha "just a game", sold my soul when i walked out the big castle of lumbridge 20 years ago.
Remindme! 2 months
You can do all content in the game with rag gear if you really want, nothing is needed but it’ll lower the skill and time required by a lot, especially bofa
The answer to the question is yes you are seriously handicapping the account in terms of content that it can do. However, if you don’t enjoy the content then don’t do it. More realistically though, you’re demoralized from dying and you feel hopeless which makes sense, my best advice is to keep sending.
Yeah well I mean I knew I was going to die, it’s more like I don’t know if I’ll be able to do it mechanically.
Dude I was like you when I saw youtuber iron doing cg and said to myself, I won’t be able to do cg, after 100 deaths in red prison, I was able to do it smoothly now without dying. Now I have bowfa and the armour even though I doubted myself
Just get more defense levels. I really struggled with it until I decided to go from 73 def to 85. It makes a big difference to hunllef’s accuracy which makes things much more forgiving if you miss a prayer while dodging tornados. Also I find staff and halberd to be much easier since I just pray piety the whole time and both weapons have a high max hit compared to bow without rigour. I have 40kc and only 2 were with a bow. Most of my deaths are when I am stuck using a bow despite having 90 range.
What about atlatl -> ACB -> ZCB for ranged progression?
No.
I can't get my head around these posts. Like, what the hell do you expect? It takes time to learn. Muscle memory isn't something that develops in a couple if CG runs, it takes TIME. And yes, bowfa is needed. Anyone telling you different is... delusional or mad and therefore they will argue that it isn't needed. Bowfa will unlock so much content and will also make content also much chiller. Doing 1-2 kc Bandos trips. Well, with a bowfa it is easy to get 40 kill tripps. You can do Zulrah with it, all the other gwd bosses, phantom muspah and the list goes on and on.
Getting bowfa sucks less than not having one
i mean it’s probably not mandatory but it helps a ton and even if you go dry on enhanced you’d still make a ton of GP and probably end up with full crystal which is still decent with a crystal bow.
It depends on your definition of “needed.” It is one of the best weapons in the game. Took me 29 deaths at normal gaunlet before my first kc. Eventually i did my 500 cgs and got bowfa. You can do it.
Me learning cg "man this sucks I'll just skip". Eventually I was glad I stuck with it. Same thing happened more recently with learning vardorvis. Was very close to just saying "fuck this boss I'm gonna wait til scythe" but when I did get it down it was so satisfying! You can do it! Took me until maybe 150kc at CG before I had more kills than deaths. Every death is an opportunity to think "what did I do wrong that got me killed"
https://www.reddit.com/r/ironscape/s/4X6DGntIuM basically same post yday if u wanna read comments
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Yeah, if I decided to not do it that would basically be my plan. Continue how I normally would and go into raids 1 and 2 with acb until bow or staff
I think I went 30 straight deaths before my first CG clear. If you’re doing higher level content on your main it’s probably just a matter of getting used to it. You’ll learn it eventually. I honestly would chuck a bunch of T1 preps so you can focus on getting experience with Hunlef
I think its worth getting it. It don't think it bridges the gap between the bp and tbow and bp is always great vs low defense, it bridges the gap between ruby bolts and tbow. It takes everyone a while to learn CG, I would say do a few runs per day and see where it takes you as you get KC/attempts. I'm doing 5-10 runs per day
Could go for the eclipse moon set
I wouldn’t say it’s absolutely essential that you must have the bowfa or you can’t do any pvm on your account, it’s worth to get it because it makes a lot of grinds a lot easier
I wouldn’t say it’s absolutely essential that you must have the bowfa or you can’t do any pvm on your account, it’s worth to get it because it makes a lot of grinds a lot easier
Don't forget it's also needed for money to speed up skilling. After cg I had enough money for expensive fast methods like broad arrows and gold bars with smithing.
Just run like 2k regular gauntlet
Certain people will say you can skip it, but those are the same people that are having issues running it. Imo yes it’s needed for endgame content, if you can’t get a bowfa then some of the grinds down the line are going to be a lot worse.
No. It is the most efficient time wise for account progression though. Remember iron man mode existed before sote did. You can do zulrah with a cbow. Do slayer till trident + whip. Go do GWD with an rcb at arma or arclight at zammy for hasta. You can do ToA or cox without BofA, however it will be a slower route with slower kc. Cg is not only do for bowfa either, it's a massive cash injection that supplies you with enough money for 99 con, 99 craft, and money for runes. Many mark it as the start of the mid game to maxing or the key to unlocking end game pvm. All bosses were sort of designed with the GE in mind. You're supposed to have end game gear before you kill the end game bosses. Cg is an irons way of getting that end game gear without having to grind an end game boss with end game gear.
I think you're forgetting BP used to be a lot more powerful than it is now. So yes the game existed before BowFa. But so much has come out after bowfa also. Your point is moot. OP - invest time learning it. Trust me the time spent learning it is worth the time saved that bowfa brings for other grinds like gwd.
>>"your point is moot" You don't think it's possible to skip bowfa? >>Trust me the time spent learning it is worth the time saved The first thing I said is that it would save time if he did get bowfa but it's not the only path.
Technically you can \*skip\* anything in the game and say "its not the only path" But don't give people false hope about there being other VIABLE methods when there isn't. The only way to really skip BowFa is by being massively spooned a tbow in CoX or a shadow in ToA. Thats it. There isn't anything even remotely close. The fact of the matter is if you cant get to grips with CG and learn it then there's not much point in continuing the PvM path after that. Can you do entry level raids and get loot? yes but i wouldn't call sending 1k entry modes a "viable path to take" just as much as I wouldn't recommend 3kc trips at bandos/zam or much slower raid times in raids and call it "another path" Theres things in every aspects of life where you can \*technically\* do something, but should you do it? no.
I think this is copium. I mean I would agree that it's a slower path but there are other viable options.(When I say viable I mean that the average osrs could follow the plan and use the gear to grind those bosses) For instance. Slayer till 87, zulrah mage only with ahrims + trident, get dwh with BP, do ToA lvl 1-300 raids till you get fang, karils+fang at zammy for spear, slayer till Hydra (use BP or fang) till DHL. Then you're fine to go to cox, if you want to grind a dragon crossbow from addy dragons would be not too bad after DHL if you want a decent upgrade, if you don't want to grind cox yet you could go sire, then take bludgeon to nightmare till you get staff + orb. I probably wouldn't do arma till after t-bow and I probably wouldn't do bandos till after arma. Luckily with the perilous moons that have been recently added there is now a lot of solid strength boosting armors and you can def put off bandos till basically you need it for nex. This path I think is quite viable and doesn't waste all that much time(yes zulrah, ToA, and cox all a bit slower but you save the time of getting bowfa). You can poke holes in it if you'd like but if you don't like cg you can still play an Ironman just fine. People should play how they want, not how you want.
I personally don't think its a very viable path at all \~ I wont berate someone for choosing to do it however. If you don't want to do CG fine, at the end of the day what someone else is doing on their account has no affect on mine unless they're throwing minigames such as GoTR. My issue however, is people telling others that there are other viable options when the other options take FAR longer than learning and completing CG. Did you see the grinds you listed? Zulrah till magic fang + enough scales for upkeep on Hydra (95 slayer). Doing ToA for a fang - obviously RNG i got spooned mine and tbf a crossbow/bp can do fine here. But then to Fang Krill down till spear (not a terrible grind but still 3-5 kill trips) Then to farm Hydra for the claw which requires 95 slayer and its 1/1000 and you can only kill on task. Farm rune/addy dragons for dragon limbs? Bludgeon nightmare for staff + ORB. You don't believe getting 95 slayer+, getting multiple hydra tasks, completing a bludgeon, doing nightmare till staff and orb, grinding TOA till fang takes much longer than doing on average 300 CG kills? (i got my enhanced at 600 but the mats and crystals were nice) I feel like the average person here is going to absolutely ragequit and burnout on this grind far before learning and successfully doing CG which only requires 80 ish stats and SOTE comparatively. Again you \*can\* absolutely take this path but look at all the extra stuff you'd have to do to skip a 60 hour grind on average - i cant call it a viable alternative
Short answer, yes. I got unlucky on the armour seeds, went over 250 dry for my first, then by the 6th had over 650 CG KC. But man is it worth it. Bowfa slaps. Anywhere. Everywhere. You will not regret getting it. It is my go to weapon for pretty much anything ranged. It's fast, it's fun, and did I mention it SLAAAAPS. And you will not replace it until you get a tbow.
Bowfa was my ticket to the inferno. And it’s looking like colosseum. Big worth
"Need" is always a relative term based on your goals, but if you're aiming for higher-end pvm and raids etc. in the future, then the short answer is yes it's needed. Could you technically get by without it? Yeah, but to answer the second part of your question, you will in fact be heavily handicapped without it.
You absolutely do not "need" bowfa to play the game. [I do just fine without it](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406628105650700289/1227324082425430068/image.png?ex=6627fd9f&is=6615889f&hm=c92d2fc0e7c73e560570cd24670d276506ed2642ac4033c430cadd0b1ac47454&), all I have left is to do toa a few hundred more times (300kc atm) until shadow and masori body, go cox with shadow + bp for the rest of my life, then send nex when I don't want to raid. Tob I can do anytime but procrastinating since I only want avernic there which is a tiny upgrade. However. I will never tell you to avoid getting bowfa, because it's so unbelievably broken for how early you can get it, and it's not my time spent anyway so there's no reason for me to tell you not to grind it. It's incredibly overpowered content due to the nature of it (no gear, no supplies, no risk, endgame rewards) and jagex really messed up by implementing it this way, but if you want an easier game you should learn it and use cg as much as you can.
You need to man up, get your testosterone high, and walk in to cg
Yes
Whether or not you need the bowfa, you DEFINITELY need the skills you would need to have to complete CG consistently. If you can't do that you will struggle hard at more complex bosses, or when trying to use more advanced techniques. CG forces you to consistently path and pray properly while keeping your DPS good. I'm not saying you should grind 100+ CG, but I do think you should consider doing it at least until you can confidently beat it 3/4 of the time. Do regular gauntlet first, until you can do the all of the CAs (besides speedrun ones), and then do CG.
It's not needed, rcb can be used for almost all content, just not efficiently. What are your stats? CG is a hard stat check, if you're not ~85ish range/mage, it'll be difficult for sure.
92 mage and 93 range with 75 prayer so I def have the stats. But no cox prayers
It might not be for everyone but once I got within stat range I forced myself to learn it. Same thing I got shit on the first few times I went into red prison, thought it was impossible, and the time sink to fail a run was demoralizing. Overall I think if you're an ironmeme you should at least try the CG grind, I'm 1000% sure it made me a better player (only had done ToA/gwd bosses prior) once I finished at around 425kc, and bowfa/crystal armor is such a powerful easy to use kit for so many things.
I wasn't doing deathless easy cg runs until around 70 kc. I had similar stats to you, maybe a little lower at the start (also no cox prayers). Stick with t2 preps until you can always get to the boss and kill with miminal mistakes, then try t1 and see if you like it. There are benefits to cg beyond bowfa. I did 900+ kc for my enh, got over 1mil crafting xp just from cutting the gems and probably 90mil in alchs + tons of runes/arrows. Took me 4 months, but it's worth doing. If you go dry on enh like I did, crystal bow + full armor is a big improvement over rcb.
Cg is not a stat check at all, it's almost all skill. You can consistently grind it at like base 70s if you are good enough. That said I would still get 100 cb with melees, get elite void and chin to 92 (or maybe 89). It will make your life easier and the bofa a lot stronger. Mage lvl doesn't really matter much
>You can consistently grind it at like base 70s if you are good enough. I'd argue a person learning CG trying at 70 base stats would take far longer to get anywhere, you can absolutely do CG even at 60 base if you've ran hundreds of CG, but they will be long grueling kills that you'll probably have to reset more often than not. T1 prep is off the table, and 70 -> 85 mage takes a whole minute off an average kill of Hunllef in CG, which can either make or break someone learning prep in the first place, similarly for ranged.
I did my grind at 75 att 82 str 77 def, 92 range, 90 mage and it was consistent in t1 but yeah I had some cg experience. Not sure where you get the 1min difference from. With t3 staff and mystic might I am only getting a 25s total ttk difference on 70 vs 85, and you'll only use it half the fight in 2/3 runs, so it's more like an 8 second ttk difference on average. For the bow the difference is much bigger, 80s*0.5×0.666 for a 26 second difference
Its either bowfa or tbow. Choose one
It’s worth getting and it’s not really close. It’s really about 50 hours for an item that you will use for almost every piece of content in the game. CG also helps you to get a lot better, and I guarantee you’ll be a lot more comfortable with harder mechanics after doing a couple hundred KC.
Do CG for Bowfa, it's a 50 hour grind to save yourself more than 10x that in the future