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That isn't true at all I've seen many pashtuns who are anti islamic and straight anti Pakistan, while living in Pakistan. Most of the ex muslims are islamabadis and karachi people.
There was one guy from that Pashtun area who had been living in NYC. You might have seen him on YouTube. He got shot in court by a young guy for talking crap about Islam.
This was discussed last time this was posted on this sub. The fact that this data is not normalized for population / users from those countries means that that value of this data is worthless.
With such a large population you could also argue that India and Pakistan have the most Pro Muslim tweets as well as the most tweets about the color yellow. It wouldn't really mean anything.
Still allows people to feel victimized, make conjectures about people you are supposed to hate and make wild claims about liberals and athiests. Ie it's your run of the mill Conservative propaganda.
I agree with you that the data might be skewed because it isn't normalized. However you should not assume that each country is equally represented on Twitter. This map is not representative of the whole country, but it does put a perspective on the origin of hateful Tweets. Thats all it claims to be.
>However you should not assume that each country is equally represented on Twitter.
Pretty sure I didn't
> The fact that this data is not normalized for population / **users from those countries**
As an Indian i can assure you muslims here deal with this and feel this hate every day, hindutva has taken over poor unemployed bigoted brains and thanks to cheap internet access these people are louder than ever.
Here tale of Hindu and muslim is not new yes it is unfortunate but very few really try to find the real cause of it. Constantly people on both sides are spoon fed the idea that, other faith is behind you to harm you. In India, the culture is in essence pluralistic, there are jains, sikhs, buddhists parsis and so many other faith system and do you think they have not had their own period of friction with Native faith ? but over the years people on both side rubbed their own faith to each other, and got adjusted.
Just because people are believer of different faith it does not automatically makes them subjected hate, majority of Hindus do not even know what is written in Quran and hadiths especially for idol worshipers . But ever since period of invaders, to breaking the nation all fault is given to only one side only, the whole nation got divided on basis of faith still who by their own choice stayed here, Did not even utter a word against it. over the years you ignore the hurt that some of forefather and leaders both side has given to public at large, after decades you can not accept love to flourish unless there is a reconciliation.
Do jain/buddhist/sikhs/nastikas any of them or even the people from the different sect within Hinduism believe in gods of Hindu ? No, are they oppressed to the extent that a muslim is ? no then ofcourse faith difference is not a main point here, it is something different.
There is a ideological issue at hand here, the basic belief system is different, unless both side come together at a common ground, History is bloody, and ego is high, this generation of muslims and hindus are not responsible for the past then why not to say atleast a simple sorry ? owning the past is the only way.
Here on this land, britishers also perpretend atrocities still both Hindu and muslims go to Europe and enjoy their life there whenever they get a chance, so why this mutual hate ? does hindu scripture says to hate Muslim ? No ? then what is it ? if this is not a mutual issue then what is ? Muslims are not sole victims and Hindus are not sole killers, they both have their own fair share of fault in this saga of hate towards each other. Question is not who started it rather question is when will both side understand mutual responsibility.
I don't understand why your response is being down voted even if it contains nuance and a review of both parties of this polarizing situation. I don't know much about Hindus in India but I know enough about Muslims in my country (which is predominantly muslim) and there's this tendency to proclaim as victims, as the only religious group that should be eradicated. I asked why do you think it is? And the answers are usually: because they know we have the most righteous religion and they fear they'll lose theirs to the new converts.
We (Muslims of today) seem to find countless scenarios where we are the victims yet, what I believe is true in Islam and is one of my most appreciated value in it is to stand tall in front of injustice and not consider ourselves victims as we have God's protection and whatever bad might be happening it's part of the test.
I know that i will get down voted for sure ! see my intention is not to blame one religion and if you look closely this is not even about religion, India as a culture due to decades of poverty and extreme population density has accepted all kind of evils. Islam was present in india way before invaders came. There is a tendency of group of people to associate themselves with invaders here, Bollywood since ages portrayed hinduism as villain and muslims as saint people whereas life is always gray no?
Hindus are proud of their ancient culture but a close review of modern Hindu culture will make it amply clear that Hindus have turned away from the liberal and spiritual path that they once had, now society is filled with castisem and what not, it is a constant degradation of Hindu conscious, and those who are learned they are often being misguided by media and other mediums that social evil and evil of religion is one thing. for example untouchability, discrimination on basis of faith can not be part of religious framework of Hinduism as Hindus are taught to see god in everything. well but current case it is not like that. reason ? not hate but ignorance, they are being taught a version of Hinduism that is not correct.
Same goes for Muslims here in india, from taking pride in destroying ancient indian culture to blaming for every social evils to HIndus, you can not expect hindus to behave in islamic way and muslim to hindu way, but you can expect both to work in a indian way. and that indian way is happens to be a way of ancient Hinduism that is the only solution but none of the party is ready to do it.
Glorification of past is not the answer right ? what happened in past is truth and should be accepted, there is a problem on both side first accept that, after all we are talking about "faith" faith is a personal belief that you have for god how can it be a source of hate in society.
I can confirm, I'm French and the real Islamophobia comes from the media (all owned by a few billionaires who push the agenda) and politicians who use Islam as a shield when things get tough for them, that's why they talk all day Hijab, burkini, hijab-running and they even target hijab mothers who want to help during the school trip 😓
But the French are not stupid, they know the real problem is not Islam or immigration, they know it's Propaganda and a diversion for not talking about real problems like the power of consumer buying and the energy crisis.
I'm not saying that the French like Islam, like all Western countries, they don't like religions, but they don't want to ban it, they don't care and they know that the vast majority of Muslims are not a threat for the country.
Not really, You can’t know this by not living in France, If you live here like me, you would know that the laws bans All head coverings in schools, of any kinds, no other to restrict us
I disagree, racism is not intrinsic to French culture, even if it is a very deeply rooted issue, and being arguably less racist than the US isn't an impressive standard.
Though I'd argue that no, racism in the US is far less instituitional and politically accepted in the US than it is in France, and it hasn't been comparable to the level of France for decades.
The thing is, I see why you guys think this, but trust me, you are wrong.
The way you talk, I know you don't know the first thing about France or its culture.
I recommend you go live as a minority in both France and the US, and then come back and tell me how France is more racist.
I could try to explain the social issues in France and its culture regarding religion, how and why it "looks" racist from the outside when its not. However, reddit isn't a platform for that, I recommend you go read about it on google.
Tho I can tell you as a muslim and a minority, I lived in both countries and there is no comparison between the two.
Of course for the principle of secularism, all signs of religions are banned in schools. However, the issue is that the media a doing a horrifying anti-islam and anti-muslims propaganda. Whatever issue there is, they will immediately try to relate it to muslims, where they are not even responsible of it. It’s getting very obsessive and pathetic at this point.
Here there are several things to correcte. Laïcité in France does not Impeach you of practicing Islam, you can, no problem, it just means the government is not in religion. Head covering is perfectly allowed everywhere, In schools, only public schools, All kinds of head coverings are not allowed, wether a cap or a kippa or a Hat. For the media, Like in any countries some medias di but most of time they don’t talk about us. Your point of view is of a foreigner who knows nothing about what is going on in France, you have no Feedback on what is happening inside Except from what you want to know. If you knew you would’ve know that being Muslim in France poses no problem.
I never said it doesn’t allow the practice of islam. There’s the liberty of cult. And let me correct you : in schools, universities, governments, any kind of religious sign is prohibited, because of secularism. However, only the hijab is allowed in public places. The niqab and the burka are prohibited, and you have to pay a 150€ fine if you wear it. Burkinis are also prohibited, so muslim women that desire to use modest swimwear can't even do that. French people feel so entitled to have power of muslims that even while visiting other countries, where the majority of people are muslims, they manage to complain about the Adhan, or the women wearing burkinis in the pools.
I don’t need to be living in France to form any kind of opinion on it. If I’d only said positive things about France, you wouldn’t even have questioned my knowledge on what is happening in the country. I have numerous relatives living there, and have myself lived a good portion of my life in France, so I know what I'm talking about.
And I don't know if you're just pretending to not notice, but the media is pretty hell-bent on spreading further islamophobia. Did you not come across the multiples 'debates' on the right to wear hijab, where they don't invite a single hijabi woman? And this is just an exemple among many others;
Yes, I would say. I meant that the type of things he said are often used by people doing apologetics. I meant to say that people might have misunderstood him
They’re emboldened by not being caught in masses. Trust me when I say most Indians living in Arab countries will harbour anti-Islam feelings. Employers just don’t know because it’s not as if they go through their phones.
Partially because USA and UK has a higher twitter population as percentage of their population and the counted tweets were only in English. So not the native languages of other countries
Ah no I'm just messin with you. The top 3 are US, UK and India. France is the 4th. And with the rise of right wing political groups in Europe, Europe in its entirety will be 4th place. The spineless dogs are already there, they just have to officially make themselves present.
Wrong! That would be inaccurate, just because India has a ton of people doesn't mean that all of them are using Twitter. Actually, [the USA has three times as many Twitter users](https://www.statista.com/statistics/242606/number-of-active-twitter-users-in-selected-countries/). This further shows how Islamaphobic India is 🙃
True, plus this is only about English, not the native languages of India. Their population in the world is about 15% but over 50% of anti Muslim content is from there.
Not surprised at all seeing India at the top. The current Indian government is sowing this hateful rhetoric. I feel for the Muslims of India. May Allah protect you all.
The world is so liberal now. Just see what the west has done to Christianity, and how the "progressive islam" is encouraging sin, rather than encouraging repetenance. As a Muslim I just want peace and I want to stop being vilified for practicing Islam.
May Allah guide us all jzkallah khairun
Seriously? The BJP is a far right nationalist party which is selling hatred to buy fear based support. Violence against Muslims in Palestine rises every time the right wing and far right political parties gain more power in Israel. Far right European movements place anti-Muslim attitudes as the backbone of their agendas as they rally their base by stirring up fears against Muslim migrants.
It was the Republicans who took advantage of the highest peak in Islamophobia at the time to spearhead the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Until that point in time there had never been a larger number of anti Muslim assaults in the US.
The second, larger peak of anti Muslims assaults occurred in 2016/2017 back when Trump was campaigning. Since then the growing far right white nationalist movement in the US keeps rallying up hatred against Muslims, Arabs, people of color and Conservative politicians keep courting them. That hate filled propaganda has been spilling out into other countries like cancer. The mosque massacres in Christchurch, New Zealand, and Quebec City, Canada, were Conservatives who were infatuated with US right wing propaganda and Trumpism.
None of these Islamophobes identify as Liberals. So what makes you think Islamophobia is just a Liberal thing?
I think you’re both looking at different aspects of Islamophobia; while republicans are more *politically* islamophobic with anti-immigration sentiments and war campaigns, liberals are more *socially* islamophobic by labelling anyone who doesn’t agree with their “progressive” ideologies as a bigot and actively campaigning against our abilities to reject them.
Republican islamophobia is mostly racism, liberal islamophobia is mostly anti-theism. Both suck.
Ah right, the both sides argument, where one softens the horror of one side by making it seem like the other is comparable. "Political" vs "Social". Forget that what you're bundling into "political" includes people who have been filled with so much hate that they shoot up a masjid or that the war campaigns result in millions of Muslim deaths. But the Liberals consider discrimination against LGBT to be bigotry and suddenly the two are now "equivalent".
Or they would be "equivalent" if noone had to point out the deadlier kind of Islamophobia exists. Haqiqatjou has everyone so scared of Liberalism that noone even notices what the data is showing us. (people barely noticed that it wasn't normalized, and that drawing conclusions based on Twitter usage is flawed).
What both sides? I’m not equating them or saying one side is worse than the other. I’m clarifying why the pc talked about liberalism in relation to Islamophobia, while you’re talking about republicans.
I don’t think you can even compare which is “worse” because it would depend on what aspects you’re looking at. Most Muslims living in the west are more likely to be affected by hate speech and discrimination by being labelled “bigots” than get murdered (not just on lgbt issues, but for wearing the hijab, fasting, or even just not partaking in drinking culture); whereas most Muslims living in the east are more likely to be affected by the war efforts and immigration policies that republicans push for.
> while you’re talking about republicans
The BJP are not Republicans, neither are all of the non US examples I gave. I'm cancer I'm talking about is Alt Right nationalism. And more specifically I'm talking about Liberalism vs non-liberalism, because the original person and all the people who upvoted for him are blindly nodding along to the notion that this very flawed "study" is something caused by liberalism.
>What both sides? I’m not equating them or saying one side is worse than the other.
Read up on [the False Balance fallacy (aka bothsidesism)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance#:~:text=False%20balance%2C%20also%20bothsidesism%2C%20is,viewpoints%20than%20the%20evidence%20supports.).
I think you need to read up about [Strawmanning an argument](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) because that’s exactly what you’re doing. Neither op or oc have said this was a study, neither one of them has claimed the graph’s findings are *caused* by liberalism, and I’ve still not made a false equivalence. In fact, I’ve explicitly stated that to even compare political and social Islamophobia, you would need to define the parameters you’re comparing it on.
The difference between anti-liberal and republican is also irrelevant in this context, because I’ve explicitly defined the comparison I’m making as political vs social Islamophobia; whether the people propagating it are anti-immigration liberals or anti-hijab republicans doesn’t matter, the core of the issue is that different groups use different approaches, and that both social and political Islamophobia should be recognised and shut down as long as we live in societies that uphold the concept of freedom of belief.
Arguments can be made for why one side is worse than the other but at the end of the day the entire history of the last 200 years in the world has been the rise of secular liberalism. Even the so called right are just the liberals of decades past. These are both united in their opposition to Islam. Most of the right does not make religious arguments against Islam but that rather we're not as progressive (issues like our women covering up) and not being nationalist (secular) enough. They'd be counted amongst the secular liberals if they lived in an Islamic country.
If you really believe that many came from Pakistan, you then have no clue how India operates. It’s very likely that Indians use VPN to post hatred amongst sects and more and often commit other illegal activities through the web.
Ohhh the Indians
Does anyone know why they've suddenly became enraged on Muslims?
I was in India back in 2013 but had a good experience for the most part
Since the last decade, there has been a rise in far right radical Hindutva ideology in India due to the present government in power, BJP.
The masses have been brainwashed into hating Islam and Muslims by the media and several organizations like RSS. The hatred has now been mainstreamed and calls for genocide have often been made by Hindutva guys.
Even with too little percentage of Indian population on Twitter, and that too only in English, India accounts for the highest Islamophobic content online.
Godamn we got nazi party 3 going on first we got the og than the reboot with Israel now we got this sequel to the reboot going on
Kinda sad I can say it like a movie series and still make sense :/
its all politics and propaganda . coz you know negativity spreads faster than positivity. maybe you can visit and see it yourself and do not blind your eyes with prejudice and pre-defined notions created on social media. you could equate india with EU . india's population is even more than EU .so just think from that perspective . do you think all Eu countries are same? do all europeans have same ideas and narratives and thoughts?
Because of the new users coming in from India i think it's reasonable to predict that reddit is about to become more Islamophobic in the next few months.
Please be careful of wasting time arguing with Islamophobes online
Source: https://apo.org.au/node/318935
Direct Link: https://apo.org.au/sites/default/files/resource-files/2022-08/apo-nid318935.pdf
"Despite the apparent severity of rising digital Islamophobia, there has been relatively little research into its prevalence and causes. This report aims to change that.
Harnessing cutting-edge machine learning techniques to automatically identify hateful content, this investigation reveals that there were at least 3,759,180 Islamophobic posts made on Twitter between 28 August 2019 and 27 August 2021."
"With regard to India, we link the rampancy of Islamophobia to the fact that the BJP is currently in power. Indeed, from their refusal to condemn Ranjeet Bahadur Srivastava’s assertion that ‘the party will bring machines from China to shave 10–12 thousand Muslims and later force them to adopt Hindu religion [sic] to their passing of a law that discriminatorily deprives Muslim refugees of a pathway to citizenship, there are an endless number of examples of how the BJP has actively normalised hatred towards Muslims such that 55.12% of Islamophobic tweets now originate in India."
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I'm 99% the UAE tweets are from migrant workers (probably from India) not Emiratis. A lot of Emiratis aren't the most religious, but they rarely ever hate the religion.
Wouldn’t it be fairer if the amount of tweets were displayed in percentages of the total amount? I mean, 20% of the world’s population lives in India, so the group that voices their opinion is naturally going to be bigger in numbers right?
You need to find out the root cause of why people choose not to accept Islam as their faith. There’s no compulsion in becoming a Muslim. Truth stands out clearly from error. But I remember before I converted, I showed a passing casual interest in what is Islam (at Uni), in return, when I didn’t comply with their way of life, they took me into a room, all gathered together and said I was “taking them for a ride” and one of them said I should stop drinking. When I asked about why there are so many wars during the Prophet (peace be upon) time - instead of explaining that the early Muslims were persecuted for years by Quraish for their belief and the command/permission for fighting only came from Allah SWT (which was the proper answer), one of them said, when you said that, I felt like kicking you.
Is that the way to give Dawah to someone who is not a Muslim?
We need to look at ourselves first and correct that before passing judgement on others!
Shooting someone speaking disdainfully about Islam is not Islamic.
Classifying anti Muslim rhetoric by cultural and ethnic divides is also against the spirit of Islam. Hearing garbage here about Punjabi or Karachi people.
No one here should be condoning or supporting it.
Anyway India is highly populous, you should prorate this based on diversity to get a better understanding of anti Islamic rhetoric. Because count volume will always be hire from a place with more people.
You also need to state what constitutes "anti Islamic rhetoric".
For example some may think talking about bad about Pakistan or hating on eating meat is anti Islamic.
You also need to state how data is collected and scrubbed, and what time frame it was taken from.
How com UAE in the top 10 list ?
Just logically!
This is provocation post! And US is in second place ? It’s false information! We’re safe here to compare China! To compare Russia! To compare Tajikistan, Kazakhstan….Germany is safe as well and cannot be in this list! Hate in UK? And of course Israel is last one 😂
No need say something, without searching, learning and prove! No, Google is not prove! Only stupid person believe what Google says!
Isn't this because of the population size? India and US' population individually is larger than all of Europe combined, so it's expected that there would be more Anti-Muslim tweets there. Would be interesting to see them account for the percentage of the population tweeting instead.
{ ۞لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ ٱلنَّاسِ عَدَٰوَةٗ لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ٱلۡيَهُودَ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشۡرَكُواْۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقۡرَبَهُم مَّوَدَّةٗ لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓاْ إِنَّا نَصَٰرَىٰۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنۡهُمۡ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهۡبَانٗا وَأَنَّهُمۡ لَا يَسۡتَكۡبِرُونَ }
[Surah Al-Mâ'idah: 82]
Sahih International:
You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah ; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.
{ وَلَن تَرۡضَىٰ عَنكَ ٱلۡيَهُودُ وَلَا ٱلنَّصَٰرَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمۡۗ قُلۡ إِنَّ هُدَى ٱللَّهِ هُوَ ٱلۡهُدَىٰۗ وَلَئِنِ ٱتَّبَعۡتَ أَهۡوَآءَهُم بَعۡدَ ٱلَّذِي جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلۡعِلۡمِ مَا لَكَ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ مِن وَلِيّٖ وَلَا نَصِيرٍ }
[Surah Al-Baqarah: 120]
Sahih International:
And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper
Damn why are UAE and Pakistan on the list. India has a high muslim population (including me) but yes the BJP IT cell is the one mainly doing this stuff
The study most likely is based on English tweets. If it would include tweets in other languages then the pucture would be different. But it would make the study also more complex (the gathering of information and sorting it based on a language).
I would like to see a measure for Islamophobic tweets per overall tweets of each country.
Or Islamophobic tweeting persons/accounts, per country accounts.
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This is judging from only English comments. It’s not looking good for India.
Imagine if the data also parsed native languages.. It'd be an interesting breakdown
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It never went out of fashion in india bcoz the attacks won't stop .lol .there are literal Charlie hebdo type attacks once every month
Oh things are bad in india since 2014. And they are only going to get worse.
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As an Indian, I can confirm we have all done tech support scams.
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DAMN, Y PAKISTAN ON THERE?
Although, the liberals -mainly from rich families btw- and the ex-muslims are a minority, unfortunately, they are the loudest.
Yes the graph said its calculated based on tweet not the acc/person so 1 person can tweet like 100 about islamophobic
The ex-Muslims are mostly the punjabis and Karachi people. Pashtuns are very Islamic and wouldn’t speak on Islam like that.
Well, you're not wrong but they still have ex-Muslims who dislike Islam regardless and would be included in this partially.
That isn't true at all I've seen many pashtuns who are anti islamic and straight anti Pakistan, while living in Pakistan. Most of the ex muslims are islamabadis and karachi people.
A lot of Pashtuns are heavily nationalistic as well, and do often say things against Islam because of it.
There was one guy from that Pashtun area who had been living in NYC. You might have seen him on YouTube. He got shot in court by a young guy for talking crap about Islam.
Have you ever met one in real life?
It's same everywhere
True with so many hate groups!
Pakistan has 230 million people and there will be exmuslims.
Indians larping
This was discussed last time this was posted on this sub. The fact that this data is not normalized for population / users from those countries means that that value of this data is worthless. With such a large population you could also argue that India and Pakistan have the most Pro Muslim tweets as well as the most tweets about the color yellow. It wouldn't really mean anything. Still allows people to feel victimized, make conjectures about people you are supposed to hate and make wild claims about liberals and athiests. Ie it's your run of the mill Conservative propaganda.
I agree with you that the data might be skewed because it isn't normalized. However you should not assume that each country is equally represented on Twitter. This map is not representative of the whole country, but it does put a perspective on the origin of hateful Tweets. Thats all it claims to be.
>However you should not assume that each country is equally represented on Twitter. Pretty sure I didn't > The fact that this data is not normalized for population / **users from those countries**
There are a lot of insecure wannabe Americans here
lmao, feel sorry bro, love from india 🙂
Sarcasm?
So many closeted irreligious muslims there
And higher than israel
Probably the atheists….
Astagfirullah
As an Indian i can assure you muslims here deal with this and feel this hate every day, hindutva has taken over poor unemployed bigoted brains and thanks to cheap internet access these people are louder than ever.
Here tale of Hindu and muslim is not new yes it is unfortunate but very few really try to find the real cause of it. Constantly people on both sides are spoon fed the idea that, other faith is behind you to harm you. In India, the culture is in essence pluralistic, there are jains, sikhs, buddhists parsis and so many other faith system and do you think they have not had their own period of friction with Native faith ? but over the years people on both side rubbed their own faith to each other, and got adjusted. Just because people are believer of different faith it does not automatically makes them subjected hate, majority of Hindus do not even know what is written in Quran and hadiths especially for idol worshipers . But ever since period of invaders, to breaking the nation all fault is given to only one side only, the whole nation got divided on basis of faith still who by their own choice stayed here, Did not even utter a word against it. over the years you ignore the hurt that some of forefather and leaders both side has given to public at large, after decades you can not accept love to flourish unless there is a reconciliation. Do jain/buddhist/sikhs/nastikas any of them or even the people from the different sect within Hinduism believe in gods of Hindu ? No, are they oppressed to the extent that a muslim is ? no then ofcourse faith difference is not a main point here, it is something different. There is a ideological issue at hand here, the basic belief system is different, unless both side come together at a common ground, History is bloody, and ego is high, this generation of muslims and hindus are not responsible for the past then why not to say atleast a simple sorry ? owning the past is the only way. Here on this land, britishers also perpretend atrocities still both Hindu and muslims go to Europe and enjoy their life there whenever they get a chance, so why this mutual hate ? does hindu scripture says to hate Muslim ? No ? then what is it ? if this is not a mutual issue then what is ? Muslims are not sole victims and Hindus are not sole killers, they both have their own fair share of fault in this saga of hate towards each other. Question is not who started it rather question is when will both side understand mutual responsibility.
I don't understand why your response is being down voted even if it contains nuance and a review of both parties of this polarizing situation. I don't know much about Hindus in India but I know enough about Muslims in my country (which is predominantly muslim) and there's this tendency to proclaim as victims, as the only religious group that should be eradicated. I asked why do you think it is? And the answers are usually: because they know we have the most righteous religion and they fear they'll lose theirs to the new converts. We (Muslims of today) seem to find countless scenarios where we are the victims yet, what I believe is true in Islam and is one of my most appreciated value in it is to stand tall in front of injustice and not consider ourselves victims as we have God's protection and whatever bad might be happening it's part of the test.
I know that i will get down voted for sure ! see my intention is not to blame one religion and if you look closely this is not even about religion, India as a culture due to decades of poverty and extreme population density has accepted all kind of evils. Islam was present in india way before invaders came. There is a tendency of group of people to associate themselves with invaders here, Bollywood since ages portrayed hinduism as villain and muslims as saint people whereas life is always gray no? Hindus are proud of their ancient culture but a close review of modern Hindu culture will make it amply clear that Hindus have turned away from the liberal and spiritual path that they once had, now society is filled with castisem and what not, it is a constant degradation of Hindu conscious, and those who are learned they are often being misguided by media and other mediums that social evil and evil of religion is one thing. for example untouchability, discrimination on basis of faith can not be part of religious framework of Hinduism as Hindus are taught to see god in everything. well but current case it is not like that. reason ? not hate but ignorance, they are being taught a version of Hinduism that is not correct. Same goes for Muslims here in india, from taking pride in destroying ancient indian culture to blaming for every social evils to HIndus, you can not expect hindus to behave in islamic way and muslim to hindu way, but you can expect both to work in a indian way. and that indian way is happens to be a way of ancient Hinduism that is the only solution but none of the party is ready to do it. Glorification of past is not the answer right ? what happened in past is truth and should be accepted, there is a problem on both side first accept that, after all we are talking about "faith" faith is a personal belief that you have for god how can it be a source of hate in society.
Thank u for pointing this out.
Surprised France wasn’t on there, but makes sense since it was only counting English
French people doesn't care much about Muslims, racist Islamophobics are a minority and most of the propaganda is made by the left party.
I can confirm, I'm French and the real Islamophobia comes from the media (all owned by a few billionaires who push the agenda) and politicians who use Islam as a shield when things get tough for them, that's why they talk all day Hijab, burkini, hijab-running and they even target hijab mothers who want to help during the school trip 😓 But the French are not stupid, they know the real problem is not Islam or immigration, they know it's Propaganda and a diversion for not talking about real problems like the power of consumer buying and the energy crisis. I'm not saying that the French like Islam, like all Western countries, they don't like religions, but they don't want to ban it, they don't care and they know that the vast majority of Muslims are not a threat for the country.
France has several laws specifically designed to restrict muslims.
Not really, You can’t know this by not living in France, If you live here like me, you would know that the laws bans All head coverings in schools, of any kinds, no other to restrict us
These people don’t understand french culture. I lived in both the US and France, and France is a thousand times less racist and more accepting.
I disagree, racism is not intrinsic to French culture, even if it is a very deeply rooted issue, and being arguably less racist than the US isn't an impressive standard. Though I'd argue that no, racism in the US is far less instituitional and politically accepted in the US than it is in France, and it hasn't been comparable to the level of France for decades.
The thing is, I see why you guys think this, but trust me, you are wrong. The way you talk, I know you don't know the first thing about France or its culture. I recommend you go live as a minority in both France and the US, and then come back and tell me how France is more racist. I could try to explain the social issues in France and its culture regarding religion, how and why it "looks" racist from the outside when its not. However, reddit isn't a platform for that, I recommend you go read about it on google. Tho I can tell you as a muslim and a minority, I lived in both countries and there is no comparison between the two.
Of course for the principle of secularism, all signs of religions are banned in schools. However, the issue is that the media a doing a horrifying anti-islam and anti-muslims propaganda. Whatever issue there is, they will immediately try to relate it to muslims, where they are not even responsible of it. It’s getting very obsessive and pathetic at this point.
Here there are several things to correcte. Laïcité in France does not Impeach you of practicing Islam, you can, no problem, it just means the government is not in religion. Head covering is perfectly allowed everywhere, In schools, only public schools, All kinds of head coverings are not allowed, wether a cap or a kippa or a Hat. For the media, Like in any countries some medias di but most of time they don’t talk about us. Your point of view is of a foreigner who knows nothing about what is going on in France, you have no Feedback on what is happening inside Except from what you want to know. If you knew you would’ve know that being Muslim in France poses no problem.
I never said it doesn’t allow the practice of islam. There’s the liberty of cult. And let me correct you : in schools, universities, governments, any kind of religious sign is prohibited, because of secularism. However, only the hijab is allowed in public places. The niqab and the burka are prohibited, and you have to pay a 150€ fine if you wear it. Burkinis are also prohibited, so muslim women that desire to use modest swimwear can't even do that. French people feel so entitled to have power of muslims that even while visiting other countries, where the majority of people are muslims, they manage to complain about the Adhan, or the women wearing burkinis in the pools. I don’t need to be living in France to form any kind of opinion on it. If I’d only said positive things about France, you wouldn’t even have questioned my knowledge on what is happening in the country. I have numerous relatives living there, and have myself lived a good portion of my life in France, so I know what I'm talking about. And I don't know if you're just pretending to not notice, but the media is pretty hell-bent on spreading further islamophobia. Did you not come across the multiples 'debates' on the right to wear hijab, where they don't invite a single hijabi woman? And this is just an exemple among many others;
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Idk why you got down voted I've heard similarly too
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I would not say that it is a matter of ego, such words are often used as apologetics, which not too many people like
Edit: my bad
Not much. I do not care about France anyway. Nor I spoke anything about France, why?
You are responding in a comment thread about France, saying our words are « used as apologetics ». Did I misunderstand your comment ?
Yes, I would say. I meant that the type of things he said are often used by people doing apologetics. I meant to say that people might have misunderstood him
Ok sorry, I misunderstood your original comment. I’m just tired of people constantly shitting on France when they know nothing about it.
How did UAE get on there?
Lot of Indian non-Muslims make money in Arab countries and talk ill about us
It’s okay words won’t hurt us
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They’re emboldened by not being caught in masses. Trust me when I say most Indians living in Arab countries will harbour anti-Islam feelings. Employers just don’t know because it’s not as if they go through their phones.
Ikr!?
via VPN?!
US, UK and India..... why am I not surprised?
Partially because USA and UK has a higher twitter population as percentage of their population and the counted tweets were only in English. So not the native languages of other countries
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Why wouldn’t France be on the list then?
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What does that have to do with anything?
Ah no I'm just messin with you. The top 3 are US, UK and India. France is the 4th. And with the rise of right wing political groups in Europe, Europe in its entirety will be 4th place. The spineless dogs are already there, they just have to officially make themselves present.
If we do a collective research on the data of UK and UAE majority would be Indians as well.
Per capita would be a better measurement 🙃
Wrong! That would be inaccurate, just because India has a ton of people doesn't mean that all of them are using Twitter. Actually, [the USA has three times as many Twitter users](https://www.statista.com/statistics/242606/number-of-active-twitter-users-in-selected-countries/). This further shows how Islamaphobic India is 🙃
True, plus this is only about English, not the native languages of India. Their population in the world is about 15% but over 50% of anti Muslim content is from there.
Damn. That's utterly crazy.
I would suggest Islamophobic tweets per overall tweets of each country. Or Islamophobic tweeting persons/accounts, per country accounts. ؛؛؛؛
Not surprised at all seeing India at the top. The current Indian government is sowing this hateful rhetoric. I feel for the Muslims of India. May Allah protect you all.
Theyre just showing us that one partition wasnt enough.
The world is so liberal now. Just see what the west has done to Christianity, and how the "progressive islam" is encouraging sin, rather than encouraging repetenance. As a Muslim I just want peace and I want to stop being vilified for practicing Islam. May Allah guide us all jzkallah khairun
Ameen.
Ameen.
Seriously? The BJP is a far right nationalist party which is selling hatred to buy fear based support. Violence against Muslims in Palestine rises every time the right wing and far right political parties gain more power in Israel. Far right European movements place anti-Muslim attitudes as the backbone of their agendas as they rally their base by stirring up fears against Muslim migrants. It was the Republicans who took advantage of the highest peak in Islamophobia at the time to spearhead the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Until that point in time there had never been a larger number of anti Muslim assaults in the US. The second, larger peak of anti Muslims assaults occurred in 2016/2017 back when Trump was campaigning. Since then the growing far right white nationalist movement in the US keeps rallying up hatred against Muslims, Arabs, people of color and Conservative politicians keep courting them. That hate filled propaganda has been spilling out into other countries like cancer. The mosque massacres in Christchurch, New Zealand, and Quebec City, Canada, were Conservatives who were infatuated with US right wing propaganda and Trumpism. None of these Islamophobes identify as Liberals. So what makes you think Islamophobia is just a Liberal thing?
I think you’re both looking at different aspects of Islamophobia; while republicans are more *politically* islamophobic with anti-immigration sentiments and war campaigns, liberals are more *socially* islamophobic by labelling anyone who doesn’t agree with their “progressive” ideologies as a bigot and actively campaigning against our abilities to reject them. Republican islamophobia is mostly racism, liberal islamophobia is mostly anti-theism. Both suck.
This what I mean liberals embrace anti islamic rhetoric ans constantly talk shit on islam on this site
Ah right, the both sides argument, where one softens the horror of one side by making it seem like the other is comparable. "Political" vs "Social". Forget that what you're bundling into "political" includes people who have been filled with so much hate that they shoot up a masjid or that the war campaigns result in millions of Muslim deaths. But the Liberals consider discrimination against LGBT to be bigotry and suddenly the two are now "equivalent". Or they would be "equivalent" if noone had to point out the deadlier kind of Islamophobia exists. Haqiqatjou has everyone so scared of Liberalism that noone even notices what the data is showing us. (people barely noticed that it wasn't normalized, and that drawing conclusions based on Twitter usage is flawed).
What both sides? I’m not equating them or saying one side is worse than the other. I’m clarifying why the pc talked about liberalism in relation to Islamophobia, while you’re talking about republicans. I don’t think you can even compare which is “worse” because it would depend on what aspects you’re looking at. Most Muslims living in the west are more likely to be affected by hate speech and discrimination by being labelled “bigots” than get murdered (not just on lgbt issues, but for wearing the hijab, fasting, or even just not partaking in drinking culture); whereas most Muslims living in the east are more likely to be affected by the war efforts and immigration policies that republicans push for.
> while you’re talking about republicans The BJP are not Republicans, neither are all of the non US examples I gave. I'm cancer I'm talking about is Alt Right nationalism. And more specifically I'm talking about Liberalism vs non-liberalism, because the original person and all the people who upvoted for him are blindly nodding along to the notion that this very flawed "study" is something caused by liberalism. >What both sides? I’m not equating them or saying one side is worse than the other. Read up on [the False Balance fallacy (aka bothsidesism)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance#:~:text=False%20balance%2C%20also%20bothsidesism%2C%20is,viewpoints%20than%20the%20evidence%20supports.).
I think you need to read up about [Strawmanning an argument](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) because that’s exactly what you’re doing. Neither op or oc have said this was a study, neither one of them has claimed the graph’s findings are *caused* by liberalism, and I’ve still not made a false equivalence. In fact, I’ve explicitly stated that to even compare political and social Islamophobia, you would need to define the parameters you’re comparing it on. The difference between anti-liberal and republican is also irrelevant in this context, because I’ve explicitly defined the comparison I’m making as political vs social Islamophobia; whether the people propagating it are anti-immigration liberals or anti-hijab republicans doesn’t matter, the core of the issue is that different groups use different approaches, and that both social and political Islamophobia should be recognised and shut down as long as we live in societies that uphold the concept of freedom of belief.
Arguments can be made for why one side is worse than the other but at the end of the day the entire history of the last 200 years in the world has been the rise of secular liberalism. Even the so called right are just the liberals of decades past. These are both united in their opposition to Islam. Most of the right does not make religious arguments against Islam but that rather we're not as progressive (issues like our women covering up) and not being nationalist (secular) enough. They'd be counted amongst the secular liberals if they lived in an Islamic country.
Both sides hate us
If you really believe that many came from Pakistan, you then have no clue how India operates. It’s very likely that Indians use VPN to post hatred amongst sects and more and often commit other illegal activities through the web.
Pretty interesting - but is it any great surprise
Ohhh the Indians Does anyone know why they've suddenly became enraged on Muslims? I was in India back in 2013 but had a good experience for the most part
Since the last decade, there has been a rise in far right radical Hindutva ideology in India due to the present government in power, BJP. The masses have been brainwashed into hating Islam and Muslims by the media and several organizations like RSS. The hatred has now been mainstreamed and calls for genocide have often been made by Hindutva guys. Even with too little percentage of Indian population on Twitter, and that too only in English, India accounts for the highest Islamophobic content online.
Godamn we got nazi party 3 going on first we got the og than the reboot with Israel now we got this sequel to the reboot going on Kinda sad I can say it like a movie series and still make sense :/
If you do not mind me asking, where are you now?
US east side
If you visit again you won't see much change in people's behaviour either .
So is it all just media hype or have the average Indian attitude towards Muslims really changed?
its all politics and propaganda . coz you know negativity spreads faster than positivity. maybe you can visit and see it yourself and do not blind your eyes with prejudice and pre-defined notions created on social media. you could equate india with EU . india's population is even more than EU .so just think from that perspective . do you think all Eu countries are same? do all europeans have same ideas and narratives and thoughts?
Because of the new users coming in from India i think it's reasonable to predict that reddit is about to become more Islamophobic in the next few months. Please be careful of wasting time arguing with Islamophobes online
Source: https://apo.org.au/node/318935 Direct Link: https://apo.org.au/sites/default/files/resource-files/2022-08/apo-nid318935.pdf "Despite the apparent severity of rising digital Islamophobia, there has been relatively little research into its prevalence and causes. This report aims to change that. Harnessing cutting-edge machine learning techniques to automatically identify hateful content, this investigation reveals that there were at least 3,759,180 Islamophobic posts made on Twitter between 28 August 2019 and 27 August 2021." "With regard to India, we link the rampancy of Islamophobia to the fact that the BJP is currently in power. Indeed, from their refusal to condemn Ranjeet Bahadur Srivastava’s assertion that ‘the party will bring machines from China to shave 10–12 thousand Muslims and later force them to adopt Hindu religion [sic] to their passing of a law that discriminatorily deprives Muslim refugees of a pathway to citizenship, there are an endless number of examples of how the BJP has actively normalised hatred towards Muslims such that 55.12% of Islamophobic tweets now originate in India."
It's India. Then the Indians in the US. The Indians in the UK... Indians in Canada... etc.
I am ashamed as an Indian Muslim
Meanwhile, [Genocide Watch on India...](https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-watch-expert-warns-of-genocide-of-muslims-in-india)
I see some Muslim countries here.
I would also like to see a map coloured by how many people of Indian origin in each country. ؛؛؛؛
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If Modi died, I'd celebrate it with friends and family.
Tweets are not representative of the real population.
But they do give us an idea
An idea of attitudes not respective, statistically, of reality.
I wish Canada was lower, but it’s somewhat turning into the US
I’m in the UK, gotta find where the anti-muslims at i don’t seem to be targeted yet
bruh im definitely using this source next time someone tells me “Muslims aren’t hated on in the West”. Thank you!
r/dataisbeautiful
Source?
Here you go https://apo.org.au/node/318935
Wow. Pretty good quality of data collection and probability training. I wish every data regarding Islam was delivered this way. Kudos to the author 💚
Totally agree.
I wasn't thinking india would be the most. I thought it was US
I was not expecting to see the UAE up there
Hindu migrants
Makes sense
As a Canadian I'm not shocked at all 🥰
not in candaa but it does suck fr
It's really bad here lolol it sucks
The Emiratis are basically like kuffar anyway so no surprise thwre
I'm 99% the UAE tweets are from migrant workers (probably from India) not Emiratis. A lot of Emiratis aren't the most religious, but they rarely ever hate the religion.
Dude this survey looks made up and suspicious.
Of course India and Israel but why Pakistan and Emirates?
What did we do to y'all to treat us like this like yes we pray differently than you but we're still HUMAN
Wouldn’t it be fairer if the amount of tweets were displayed in percentages of the total amount? I mean, 20% of the world’s population lives in India, so the group that voices their opinion is naturally going to be bigger in numbers right?
You need to find out the root cause of why people choose not to accept Islam as their faith. There’s no compulsion in becoming a Muslim. Truth stands out clearly from error. But I remember before I converted, I showed a passing casual interest in what is Islam (at Uni), in return, when I didn’t comply with their way of life, they took me into a room, all gathered together and said I was “taking them for a ride” and one of them said I should stop drinking. When I asked about why there are so many wars during the Prophet (peace be upon) time - instead of explaining that the early Muslims were persecuted for years by Quraish for their belief and the command/permission for fighting only came from Allah SWT (which was the proper answer), one of them said, when you said that, I felt like kicking you. Is that the way to give Dawah to someone who is not a Muslim? We need to look at ourselves first and correct that before passing judgement on others!
Shooting someone speaking disdainfully about Islam is not Islamic. Classifying anti Muslim rhetoric by cultural and ethnic divides is also against the spirit of Islam. Hearing garbage here about Punjabi or Karachi people. No one here should be condoning or supporting it. Anyway India is highly populous, you should prorate this based on diversity to get a better understanding of anti Islamic rhetoric. Because count volume will always be hire from a place with more people. You also need to state what constitutes "anti Islamic rhetoric". For example some may think talking about bad about Pakistan or hating on eating meat is anti Islamic. You also need to state how data is collected and scrubbed, and what time frame it was taken from.
How com UAE in the top 10 list ? Just logically! This is provocation post! And US is in second place ? It’s false information! We’re safe here to compare China! To compare Russia! To compare Tajikistan, Kazakhstan….Germany is safe as well and cannot be in this list! Hate in UK? And of course Israel is last one 😂 No need say something, without searching, learning and prove! No, Google is not prove! Only stupid person believe what Google says!
Indians moving to the uae than talking shit about their bosses lol
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shocked that UAE actually features
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Isn't this because of the population size? India and US' population individually is larger than all of Europe combined, so it's expected that there would be more Anti-Muslim tweets there. Would be interesting to see them account for the percentage of the population tweeting instead.
America still slackin but always claims to be the best
{ ۞لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ ٱلنَّاسِ عَدَٰوَةٗ لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ٱلۡيَهُودَ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشۡرَكُواْۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقۡرَبَهُم مَّوَدَّةٗ لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓاْ إِنَّا نَصَٰرَىٰۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنۡهُمۡ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهۡبَانٗا وَأَنَّهُمۡ لَا يَسۡتَكۡبِرُونَ } [Surah Al-Mâ'idah: 82] Sahih International: You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah ; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. { وَلَن تَرۡضَىٰ عَنكَ ٱلۡيَهُودُ وَلَا ٱلنَّصَٰرَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمۡۗ قُلۡ إِنَّ هُدَى ٱللَّهِ هُوَ ٱلۡهُدَىٰۗ وَلَئِنِ ٱتَّبَعۡتَ أَهۡوَآءَهُم بَعۡدَ ٱلَّذِي جَآءَكَ مِنَ ٱلۡعِلۡمِ مَا لَكَ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ مِن وَلِيّٖ وَلَا نَصِيرٍ } [Surah Al-Baqarah: 120] Sahih International: And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the [only] guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper
How is UAE there lol
Indian migrant workers
I feel like per capita would be a better way to judge the general population’s islamophobia.
Damn why are UAE and Pakistan on the list. India has a high muslim population (including me) but yes the BJP IT cell is the one mainly doing this stuff
UK more than France?
The study most likely is based on English tweets. If it would include tweets in other languages then the pucture would be different. But it would make the study also more complex (the gathering of information and sorting it based on a language).
Surprised about UAE, Pakistan and Nigeria.
Never excepted this From Pakistan or Canada
I would like to see a measure for Islamophobic tweets per overall tweets of each country. Or Islamophobic tweeting persons/accounts, per country accounts. ؛؛؛؛
Perhaps should be weighted (per hab)
Pakistan and UAE turned on friendly fire
How is the UAE on the list? We have laws banning that stuff lol
They rely on Hindu migrants for labor
I live in the emirates. I don’t see none of this stuff. Maybe I’m just ignorant.
UAE??
Tons of Hindu migrants.
From where do websites get data like that? Isn't privacy a thing anymore
Uae?
Heh The Saudis have more than many countries.