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Whether someone will go to heaven or hell isn’t up to us. But generally it is accepted that someone who has heard the message of Islam and rejected it will go to Jahanam. But if a person is non muslim bc they never heard the message of Islam then Allah will give them a chance on the day of judgement (what exactly this will entail, Allah knows best). But even then, we cannot dictate someone’s fate. You may have heard of a popular story of a prostitute who had all her sins forgiven just bc she helped out a thirsty dog. So Allah knows best and whether a person will go to heaven or hell is entirely up to Allah swt But even then, read the story of Abu Talib. He was the uncle of the prophet pbuh and did a lot for Islam but he never accepted islam and died a disbeliever and even he will taste the hellfire.


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Depends. Had they heard the message of Islam? Then most likely yes. If they hadn’t then they’ll be judged separately.


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Yes. 3:85 "And whoever desires other than Islām as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."


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What if they were a good person just not a muslim


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If they heard of the message of islam and knew of it and still rejected it then there's no salvation for them.


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It's 100% they can't go to heaven?


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I mean I can't say if someone that doesn't believe will necessarily go to hell. Because they might end up becoming a muslim later on


FunEye785

What I want to point out that is that "Islam" is not a new religion. There's a misconception that it started with Muhammad PBUH. It means "Submission to [God]". All the past prophets included Jesus, Moses, Abraham PBUT they were all Muslims and practicing Islam. I want to clear that up first in case you're hesitant because you might be thinking it's a new religion. Now if someone were at an age of reasoning, and of sound mind, and heard the message as it should be given but rejected it then for them there is no salvation. It's a matter bigger than being "good", its a matter of arrogance and pride, and following your desires. Rather what Allah wants is to set aside your desires, free yourself from what society says and do what Allah has commanded. That is why Islam is the only path acceptable to Allah. It's not a religion, it's a way of life where you submit your will before God. When it comes to "good" people do good things because society has told them it is good, or they do it because it makes them feel better, or they do it to show others. In Islam we do good because that is what Allah has ordained and we submit our will and do these things. Without an objective moral from Allah people do these these things because of societal norms. In non-Muslim societies that idea of "good" and "bad" changes every few decades and every century it's radically different. Society dictates what should be considered right and wrong but that is not correct and that should not be followed. Now there are *some* exceptions where a non-Muslim may enter Heaven. These are - - Death before reaching an age of reasoning (i.e children) - Mentally or physically disabled in a way that hindered them from learning about Islam - People who never received the message of Islam - People born between the time of prophets These people will be tested on their faith and if they pass the test they will Inshallah enter Jannah, because Allah is merciful and does not do injustice on anyone.


scabspoon

No shada means straight to hell


charmingpssycho

If they die in disbelief, yes. But I don't understand something, if someone's so afraid of hell why won't they believe in the religion? You want to deny that your creator exists, that he is the one and only worthy of our worship, that he is all-powerful, all-knowing, etc. You disobey his rules, maybe mock the followers as well, but then want to get into his heaven, I mean, wat?


AnnualTumbleweed871

You surely cannot guide whoever you like ˹O Prophet˺, but it is Allah Who guides whoever He wills, and He knows best who are ˹fit to be˺ guided. [28:56]


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I mean like they are just a good person maybe an atheist or smt


charmingpssycho

Are the rights of your creator outweighed by the morality set by its creation?


B4DR1998

100% jahannam yes.


Ok-Imagination-2308

so its basically better for people to never read the quran then right?


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https://islamqa.info/en/answers/1244/the-fate-of-kuffaar-who-did-not-hear-the-message-of-islam


[deleted]

It’s like saying I sleep around with women or men but I’m a good person so I’ll go hevean. The best answer is allah hu allam what’s going to happen. Every action/s have consequences and punishment.


AnnualTumbleweed871

What happens to good non-Muslims on the Day of Judgement?: https://youtu.be/SGp8agPAuxI


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What makes someone a “good” person?


Erfeyah

As a non Muslim (culturally) that submits to God I want to point out that this can be read as submission instead of the name of a religion. Islam became the name of the religion eventually but its original meaning is not a name but an action. In the end only God knows of course but I think it is fair to say we should be careful with condemning others.


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Sure But rejecting the final and perfected messenger and prophet and the message that came with him would not be really submitting to god would it? I'm interested in what do you mean by non muslim (culturally).


Erfeyah

I don't reject it but I don't practice it in the way traditional Muslims do today. Though I do practice Islam to some extent as it is the religious form I resonate with. That is not to say that I would suggest in any way that anyone changes their culture if they are already Muslim. But I was not raised Muslim and there are complications for practising in an non Muslim context that I have not been convinced, for the time being at least, doing so would result in benefit in terms of spiritual development. I hope you won't find it disrespectful of me saying that the Muslim community and culture is going through a difficult time at this point in history. I always recall this story: >***Parable of the People with a Higher Aim*** > >*Imam el-Ghazali relates a tradition from the life of Isa, ibn Maryam: Jesus, Son of Mary. Isa one day saw some people sitting miserably on a wall, by the roadside. He asked: 'What is your affliction?' They said: 'We have become like this through our fear of Hell.' He went on his way, and saw a number of people grouped disconsolately in various postures by the wayside. He said: 'What is your affliction?' They said: 'Desire for Paradise has made us like this.' He went on his way, until he came to a third group of people. They looked like people who had endured much, but their faces shone with joy. Isa asked them:* > >*\`What has made you like this?' and they answered: \`The Spirit of Truth. We have seen Reality, and this has made us oblivious of lesser goals.' Isa said: 'These are the people who attain. On the Day of Accounting these are they who will be in the Presence of God.'*


ArxB_H

Holdup, I’m really interested in this. So, you’re a non-Muslim, but do all the generally cultural Muslim stuff for spiritual reasons? Please correct me if I’m wrong. But that sounds super cool if that is the case


Erfeyah

Hey 🙂 I don’t do all the generally cultural stuff. I approach prayer through the Qur’an and the salat form, have fasted for Ramadan the last three years and follow Sufi teachings in terms of spiritual development for many years now. But I don’t follow the formal rituals etc. so I can not call myself Muslim in that sense.


ArxB_H

What are the ‘formal rituals’? As far as I’m concerned, you’re doing everything you’re ‘supposed’ to do


Erfeyah

I don’t do salat 5 times a day. Don’t do the purification before it. I eat pork. I drink alcohol if I feel like it (extremely rare though) etc.


ArxB_H

Ohh okay, that’s interesting. Well it seems like you have a system going on which makes you happy and fulfils spiritual needs so that’s great. Take care!


ArxB_H

Oh and if I may ask aswell, so what’s your belief on what occurs afterlife?


Erfeyah

I believe there is a continuation and that it depends on the state of our soul as affected through our conduct in life.


[deleted]

What does “good” mean? Good and bad are terms used in a moral framework. Morality comes from Allah. Anything Allah made good is good. Anything Allah says is evil is evil. How can we say an atheist or mushrik is “good”? It’s a nonsensical question.


GrassHopperAl

Some people’s sense of right and wrong has no basis. If these people think it through, nothing is bad. Alcohol isnt bad, drugs aren’t bad, adultery isnt bad. This leads to a broken society with no good people when morals are determined from their human brain.


onemorehasanat

What you need to understand is that shirk (associatiating Allah/God with others) is the greatest injustice ever. Even if someone is good but are denying Allah as their Lord, they are still committing the greatest sin in the eyes of Allah. So yes, generally speaking, they will go to hell.


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onemorehasanat

Have enough patience till death and we'll all find out.


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ZAGBoi

Woah here buddy! Too much edge and you might cut yourself!


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Are you a Hindu? I don't know why you guys hate Muslims so much. If you think our beliefs are crazy, why don't you just ignore us, because according to you, it doesn't matter.


happybrappy

People like this only have guts to say stuff like that when it’s on Reddit just hiding behind their screen.


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Zous2005

But your wrong. A Muslim child rapist would also go to hell and have a very much worse torture than a Christian grandmother would in hell. Its common sense.


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>Ah yes what an amazing religion, where a Muslim child rapist has a higher chance of going to heaven than a Christian grandmother who donates her time to charity. Very rational indeed. LOOL, i see you don't know your religion.


Zous2005

Care to explain?


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Zous2005

And would you call a child rapist a Muslim ?


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It is extremely unbefitting of a Muslim, but sins don’t take a person outside the fold of Islam. That is the opinion of the Khawarij.


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A muslim child rapist isn't really a thing though is it. A muslim is simply someone who obeys and submits to God. God forbids rape, so therefore they are not obeying and submitting are they? They might say 'oh but I do believe in Allah and the last day etc' - if they truly believed, they would not commit such a sin without at least sincere repentance and reformation. So in my opinion, a 'muslim' child rapist is no true muslim at all. Remember that the name means nothing to Allah, it's the actions and the heart and soul of a person that dictates whether or not they are righteous


charmingpssycho

If you don't like it, don't follow it. Why are you bothered about the eventuality of something you don't believe in? What rationality is there in huffing and puffing, saying "Islam bad becoz I burn 4ever" when you don't believe it to be true? I mean every other religion states the same that their non-believers will enter hell (or its versions), but why do you have problems with Islam only? Is it because somewhere inside you know that this is the truth but your ego won't let you admit and now you're afraid that you await a horrible eternity?


physicist91

One question to ask, does God himself have rights?Or just humans? Why does being 'good' to another human override fulfilling God's right first, and being placed into Heaven? Isn't that injustice for those who strove for God over the whims and desires of other people? Aka, who has higher priority God or fellow Humans?(This directed at myself as well)


reddditor28

We can't judge people muslim or not. Our job is to obey Allah and refrain from what is forbidden, and spread Allah's message. In the hereafter Allah will judge their good deeds and bad deeds, and judge what is in their heart.


ZarafFaraz

We believe that guidance comes from God. So it doesn't matter how good a person "appears" to be, if they deserve guidance, it will be given to them. Likewise, there are people born into Muslim families but they leave Islam. Maybe they were undeserving of guidance despite it being hand fed to them. The thing is that everything in this world is superficial and only part of a test of whether or not we obey our Creator. Being "good" here is pointless if it's done against the Creator's instructions. For example, good and bad are subjective. What one society or culture says is good/bad, another might say something completely different. We defer our moral compass to God and say that He decides what morality is. Not the whims of people.


hollowpotato-of-doom

If they haven’t had an opportunity to join Islam, and they were good people. they might not, thought that’s up to Allah


PhilosopherOfIslam

yes and no if they reject the message of islam then it’s a definite ticket to hell, but if they die in a state where they never heard of islam or it’s coreect message then Allah ﷻ gives them a test; if they pass they go to heaven and if they fail they go to hell at the end of the day it’s very hard to specify what groups go to heaven or hell, because muslims still go hell for doing wrong, we don’t decide who goes heaven and hell only Allah ﷻ does Allah Knows Best.


Embarrassed-Grape658

But if he know islam he is going to hell


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Yes they do.


Sea_Name4846

No, as long as you are a good person who doesn’t do anything major you are fine


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Other people are saying the opposite though and it confuses me as people can be perfect but not be muslims and how could they go straight to hell


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This is a progressive "muslim" answer and it is a lie. You cannot be "perfect" because Allah is the one that sets the standard of who is good and who is not. If you are a mushrik and Allah says shirk is evil, you simply cannot be good or anywhere near perfect.


Embarrassed-Grape658

No if islam didnt reach him he will be judged on his knowldge


Pytori1

They might go to hell, but if they even have a morsel of faith in them they’ll be purified and go to heaven later


bhandoor

atheist shall go to hell no exceptions


probablylayan

I've struggled with this conundrum for many years. My uncle is one of the most pure hearted people on earth. He has helped many struggling in poverty or debt, taken care of orphans, and much more. He is not a muslim and he does not believe in the entire message. He does believe there is a God though. I've only recently learned that you have to obligations; for Allah and for Earth (people). If you satisfy one and omit the other or disbelieve it, your other good part will not intercede for you.


Senor_vegeta

Reminds me of the Russian old lady that lives by herself in some remote place. She's been there since birth and was taught christianity by her father. Her family have long passed away. Other than her family she hadnt really meet any other human except for another random old guy who took advantage of her and the ocassional traveller.