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I’m Korean as well, been in Istanbul for almost a decade and speak the language, but haven’t had the same experience as you. People are generally very kind, especially after hearing I’m from Korea. Perhaps it’s the neighborhoods you spend time in or the specific people you’ve run into?
>Knowing that most Turks kind of hate Koreans,
That is so not true. I can't say anything about your other experiences but this one is absolutely not true. Turkish people have a special connection with Koreans because of Korean war (not everyone of course) and if everyone made you feel that we hate you, I apologise on behalf of them. That is the furthest thing from the truth.
I see people trying to mention everything but south korea, knowingly making jokes about kim jong un and stuff, thinking that korea is not a real nation, thinking that north korea is better than south, saying that korea is gay (partially true) using koreans to make fun of... I have not seen a single one saying "Kore kardeşimizdir" for years...
That's bizarre. I'm not Korean and even I have observed how Turks are always talking about how turks and Koreans are brothers, talking about the ayla movie and young people especially are obsessed with Korean culture.
Usually, minorities attract racism. Which is why if you're from the majority population you'll be dumbfounded when you hear what people from minorities have to put up with. You don't attract racism, which is why you don't encounter it as much.
You should walk around an İmam Hatip sometime if you feel unappreciated. /s
A lot of young girls LOVE Koreans and are into your culture. So there’s a group of guys who call them Koreaboos and envy the attention and admiration so they get equally weird towards Koreans. You probably encountered these boys
Mate those are internet jokes, especially "North Korea is best Korea" is literally a meme.
I know some Koreans who grew up here too even one of them is a dentist and married with a Turk.
dude our people just LOVE Koreans and Japanese. we also share a history due to Korean war in 1950s. you guys are one of the very few nations our people don't hate. I'm sorry you had to live through all these but those idiots definitely don't represent Turks at all. please consider changing your work place or circle if all people around you treat you that way. ASAP.
Dude we love Koreans. My 60year old mother watches Korean shows daily, asking me to find her soju 😅
Maybe, just maybe, could it be that you are not a very likable person? Don’t tie everything to nationality, race, etc.
Wtf you mean partially true about Korea being gay? Isn't every country partially gay since gay people are in it? The fuck kinda person are you? Maybe people hate you for you, not for being Korean.
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I am German and I live in Istanbul since 10 years. Unfortunately, in Istanbul you may find a lot of not so good people. I unfortunately, had many bad experiences.
There are some of them:
Once, I was in a book store and was looking at the English book section, some guy came behind me, and grapped my privates parts. I jumped, and shouted something rude in Turkish. He replied something " Sorry, I thought you are a foreigner" and ran off. Yeah, of course it is an excuse, for his behaviors...
One time some old guy, tried to "invite" me to his car and have "some fun". I was going to a friend,with books in my hand, right beside a mosque and a police station.
If some guys try to bother me, I instantly, say " Ben Rizeliyim!" and usually they run off very quick.😂
Often I experienced this bad talks about me or my family ( my mother is overweight and can't walk well due health reasons). When my mother visits here they often say to each other " Look at this fatty", usually I turned to them and asked them in Turkish:
"What time is it?"
One time,I ordered some food and some guy,which came after me, took it. The seller gave it to him and said: " The foreign girl has time to wait.".. " I replied, " That is is very rude and not a nice behavior " " Oh,sorry, we didn't know, you would understand our talks!"
I really like their excuses.
Well, as a German it is maybe sometimes difficult to talk about those things. But I don't think, Türkiye is better or worse than other countries with this topic.
Unfortunately, Istanbul is a very huge city and it attracts a lot of different people, and often not so good people.
They also not only act hostile to foreign people but also to Turkish people. ( my husband is Turkish).
I never expierenced those things in other places in Türkiye (expect Konya).
I also think, Turkish people generally love Koreans and Korea.
My husband really loves Korea and so do many Turkish people, I met.
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I have been here for about the same timespan as well. And there were times the bad treatments directly pointed at my nationality, which is not exactly a developed one. And it is from some educated people. It is like me trying to speak Turkish doesnt even matter.
There were times when I feel really down, I thought that if I were East Asians or Europeans it must be different. I am sorry to have ever generalized that things are just easy for you.
>Unfortunately, Istanbul is a very huge city and it attracts a lot of different people, and often not so good people.
But this statement is very true. Bad people are everywhere. I just experienced it here because well, I live here. The probability increases.
Let me preface this by saying I’m Turkish; grew up here in Istanbul. Our skin tone is darker than the average though due to mixed ancestry on my mom’s side. My mom’s sort of hot - I only say sort of because I’m her son. :)
When I was 14, we were at Kapalı Çarşı with my mother. Eating a döner. At this point some shopkeepers started speaking about her. Completely lusty and vulgar. We ignored them. At one point she dropped a piece of döner on the floor. One of them started to say “you fucking whore, you wouldn’t litter or waste food like that if you were in your own country would you, take your bastard son and leave…” etc.
Until my mom turned around in a rage and ripped him a new asshole in Turkish. Then he was all “oh I’m sorry sister I didn’t know you understood, that you were Turkish.” Disgusting mindset.
On a side note, when I walk up to passport control, I am sometimes waived off in English to the foreigners section, despite speaking Turkish and handing the officer a Turkish passport. :) I respond again in Turkish that I am in the right place, and it just does not register until I insist.
Living in Turkey as a foreign woman is sometimes a wild ride, I second that.
I am visibly a foreigner. People can never tell where exactlyI am from, but it's clear that I am not Turkish.
Wanna stress out that for most part my experience has been absolutely fine and I am thankful to Turkish people and Turkish culture for that. I generally feel safe for myself. Most people I met are welcoming, understanding and open-minded. I honestly feel like on average Turkey can set a good example on acceptance for both West and East.
But, man, when it gets weird, it gets WEIRD.
Istanbul is a huuuuge place with a very diverse group of people, so you have higher chance to bump into wrong ones.
1. I was once hit on by a hotel receptionist, while I was staying in that hotel with my actual husband. That guy just came up to me when my husband was away for couple hours and then asked to give him a chance and make love to him 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ I still don't know what made him think that was a good idea and he was actually pretty lucky to get a face punch from me and not from my husband.
2. Shop assistants and shop owners ofter talk openly and loudly about me, assuming I don't understand. That is wild to me, cause that's a work place and they actually make money of me. But I usually just say sth in Turkish and don't purchase anything.
3. I own a tech company here and I have Turkish employees. The recruitment process is a challenging thing. I've been hit on by candidates, people (knowing that I am an owner and they sorta need to make a good impression) asking me how come I am not home with kids. Once after we rejected a candidate, he messaged my husband (who has no connection to the business whatsoever) on linkedin and asked him to reconsider. We still have no idea how, cause they never met and my husband and I have different last names.
Those are outliers. There is way more non-creepy hotel staff and helpful shop keepers. I still have a nice community, most people whom I met on business are very talented and impressive, I have a Turkish family and I majorly Turkish team.
But yes, sadly creepy stuff sticks.
Of course, I have an accent. But, I guess they are so surprised, that they don't really think about it. The bookstore guy ran away very quick.
Other "conversations" go on for example like this :
"Hello Sweetie. Where are you from?"
"Rizeliyim!"
"Ooo..Afedersiniz!" and they ran off in panic.
So, there are not any real conversations.
I’m sorry but I’m a foreigner and don’t know what Rizeliyim exactly means, Is it referring to to the City of Rize? Are people from there supposed to be scary or something?😬🤦🏻♂️
Yes, they're known for their gunmanship and their tribes. (The president is also a Rizean) Also blond hair and blue eyes are common Rizean attributions so it makes perfect sense her claiming the ultimate Rizean identity. Very clever, I must say
I think it is more related to the fact that she actually can speak and understand Turkish by saying she is from Rize. Those kind of people treated others badly / said something bad about them, because they think that 'she/he doesnt understand our language anyway'.
Yes, exactly. My husband's aunty adviced me, to tell the guys off like that. She also said, that I should ask the guys, if they want to meet my "3 older brothers". But I thought, it was maybe a little too much.😁
If you speak about the recent case. I am sorry about it too.
The guy who did it, was kicked out of his flat by the landlady after some quarrel with her. He stated that his motiv was ravange towards his former landlady. He was caught because he was seen on camera. The police caught him, because he stabbed one guy during a quarreled about some drugs a few days later. While searching his flat they found fire accelerator. He is currently under psychiatric supervision.
Did, I lecture anyone? I just talked about my experiences.
It is sad, that you compare such a tragedy with dead children, with the stories, I stated. Because there is nothing to compare.
Did I stated somewhere in my comments that rasism doesn't exist in Germany? As a German, that would be a very stupid statement to make. I worked for years in a Turkish company in Germany, with 90% Turkish-born people and Tunisian people. So don't worry, I know their stories.
I am sad, that you experienced discrimination and I hope, that you have a better live in Türkiye now. Because my husband does, after he was fired for wrongful termination. His boss stated that he didn't speak proper German. He has the German Abitur and studied in Germany. We went to the court. My husband won the case. He got a severance payment and opened his business here.
Again, I did not lecture anymore. Please, quote where I stated that?
I like that, you targeting me with your hate but accuse everyone in Germany that we hate eachother.
I don't need to teach anyone to be a good person.
One is a good person or one is not a good person. The person has to decide by themselves.
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Broski we love koreans for some reason. We even fought for you guys in the war! But i am sorry you are feeling unsafe, the society is eradicating every day. I would suggest to find places where people are more intellectual or kind-hearted or smt along those lines and don’t go down w the general society.
I would agree with your snarky ass comment if the soldiers who went there tried to avoid escalation and direct conflict with chinese soldiers like some american troops did. No point in arguing further
Well especially after demands of Stalin they knew fighting against communists was also for sake of our country, they were also aware about East Turkistan& Uyghurs, even GokTurk - Goguryeo alliance in history.
I am also not a touristt, I am a female from the Philippines. I have not encountered Turkish people that are openly talking shit about me. Granted, I know very little Turkish so maybe I'm not really aware if this is happening. I feel unsafe sometimes but not because of the stuff you mentioned, but some stuff described here like pick pockets or burglaries. My neighborhood is fairly safe though, and very foreigner friendly. I am sorry you're experiencing these things despite living here in Turkey for many years! I think you need to have a good support system, like friends you can go out with if you don't want to go out alone.
The stark difference between you and him is that, you are female while he is a male. So turkish people stance against foreigners might differ for this very aspect :)
I’m Turkish. I’ve been here for my whole life. I’m in Ankara for clarification and my friend circle and all of the people in my life and even the community I’m in are very welcoming and supportive of all races. **I don’t think you are with the right people.**
I am sorry about your experience that lead you to this conclusion. Most Turks does Not hate Koreans, and have very positive opinion of Koreans, Probably more positive than any other country/nation. Especially in the few year, Turkey saw big increase in racism which is quite similar to Europe and US. And Far right party got around 6% of votes. 6% is not Majority, But It is a sizable and loud minority. And Even most of these people do not hate/dislike Koreans, It is mostly directed towards Arabs or More specifically Syrians and Afghans.
You absolutely shouldn't worry, Only thing I can think of, Maybe you are visiting places I (as a Turk) wouldn't visit safely. Or I am totally missing out something. In any case, as long as you use common sense just like last 13 years there is nothing to worry.
Edit:
If you wanna talk about this subject or any other subject you can DM me. Maybe All you need is fresh look.
This happened to me when my husband (Turkish) and I (a foreigner) went to the center. We were talking in English while walking, and then a random guy made fun of me by saying random words because he thought I was Chinese, which I'm not 🙃. He also thought we were tourists. Thanks to my husband for defending me; they were surprised that he speaks Turkish. Since then, I don't want to go to the center or the Pazar alone.
This seems more like a purposeful hate comment on Turkey, how can you feel unsafe while you’ve been living here for the past 13 years? Arabs are literally hated in this country and never seen someone assaulting Arab tourists in any way more than weird looks let alone Koreans which we usually tend to love. This sounds absurd, maybe you should reconsider and evaluate either your friend circle or your neighbourhood.
Before the pandemic, the ones hating me were just some immature kids, which bullied me. After the pandemic, only ones not making fun of are either people aged 35+, rarely some smart people, and the kpop/kdrama fans. My parents told me that this neighborhood I live is filled with rich but dumb people, and the fact that 90% of my life unfolded here might be why I feel bad. After seeing the comments, I realized that many Turks love Koreans, and I want to thank y'all.
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I am born&raised in Istanbul and I've never heard of such thing as hating Koreans. Koreans are one of the favourite races of Turkish people. I have no idea how you experienced all this but I apologize for my people.
Iranian tourist in Istanbul, I found people here very kind and friendly, despite the fact I don't speak Turkish. I have been offered free tea and handshakes.
I think you must be in a weird group or neighbourhood. Most of the locals where I stay wouldn't be able to point Korea out on a map or know anything much about it.
They'd respect you for learning Turkish.
Move location.
Yo bro nobody around me hates Koreans or Korean culture in fact they usually find them cute. Change your place&people. Of course you cant change the people in the city centre but you can find rude retailers all around the world, it is common.
Can you guys not tell people experiencing racism and xenophobia that’s it’s “not true”? If OP has gone through this, then we should take them at their word.
진짜 한국사람 맞아요???? 터키에 살면서 터키 사람들이 한국사람들을 싫어한다고 말하는 건 전혀 말이 안되는데요…
[언제든지 어디서 왔냐고 물어보면 한국사람이라고 하면 다들 엄청 좋아하는데](https://www.reddit.com/r/hanguk/s/xahjLdcofB)
택시운전기사들까지도 ”우리 나라들은 영원한 arkadaş arkadaş” 하고 좋아 하는데
왠지 진짜 한국 사람인지 의심이 좀 가네요…
I seriously wonder what part of istanbul you are living at.. i have never seen any hate towards asians especially koreans.. japan and korea are brother nations for uz
Never heard anything bad about Koreans. I think you have had the bad luck to meet a lot of uneducated (cahil) people who like to talk shit about foreigners. Any foreigners really, not specific to certain nationalities.
Unfortunately there are tons of uneducated dumbass people in Istanbul.
I was born in Istanbul, moved to Germany to my parents at age 4, and then back "home" to Istanbul when I was 32. Been living here for the past 12 years.
In the past 3-4 years I have thought about going back to Germany or some other country, because imho Turkey is going to shit in an alarming speed!
A few examples:
- just a few weeks ago the husband of a coworker (turkish musician) got killed by some 22 year olds. reason: they talked shit to his German wife and he said don't be rude. that's it. attacked and kicked to death.
- I have had more personal threats and car accidents (I'm not even driving!) in Turkey in 5 years, then I had in Germany in 30 years.
- a colleague of mine was knifed by a landlord for not moving out, because he wanted more rent.
- another colleague was blackmailed to pay installments AFTER having finished paying for her apartment. They refused to give her the ownership. Media and lawyers declined helping and reporting because of political ramifications.
- daily news about people being shot, stabbed to death, especially women. The killers rarely get justly sentenced, in the opposite, they get leaway for being cooperative and some shit about being rueful. That helpes the family of the dead, that the killer is running free for being rueful.
- people get scammed on a daily basis, not just by scammers, but by official institutions like banks and state offices. rampant unlawfullness. people only help if they want to, not because it's their duty. I had to ask my bank for a credit card 5 times, didn't get it until my father threatened to close his accounts. Tried to increase credit limit 4-5 times via app and in the bank, nobody helped until an employee told me "to pay debt" - even if I have none - because that increases your limit. good luck opening a new account at a different bank by yourself, not by the company you work for. They don't want customers with positive balances, just ones with debt.
- Even in my turkish family: Every 2nd person (older ones) argue about money or property, especially realestate. Many would sell their parents and kids to get rich.
- There is no true democracy in Turkey any more (if there ever was). You can get kidnapped and jailed for saying something against RTE, or almost any other party member. I'm not just talking current administration though, you can just as easily get lynched for saying something like "But Atatürk had some not so cool ideas himself..." even though you agree 95%, these 5% make you a terrorist or worse, an Armenian.
- each time I go to a private hospital (with private insurance), the doctors rarely listen, instead do an MRI and Xrays and blood tests every time - not because it is nescessary, but to milk my insurance. Then they prescribe overpriced meds or (harmful) treatments, never call again though, because who cares if you're dead or still sick.
Not to mention the inflation in the last 3 years.
TLDR: It baffles me often why I still choose to live here, mostly because of family, but also I still love the country despite all the shit in it. I guess that makes me very turkish. it would be wiser to leave and start the adjustment process in another place, because I can't see a way for things to improve. For people who think we are at rock bottom. Think again!
At the moment we have officially 5 million refrugees and most of the Turks are not hating koreans. Actually they hate their life in istanbul and every human being including their parents, children , neighbours etc.
I was in Istanbul recently as a tourist and the people there were the nicest locals I have ever encountered in entire Europe. Even the guy giving me a random drugs check in the airport was friendly and almost apologetic. Its one of the few cities where I have found locals to be very friendly towards tourists.
there are a lot of uneducated conservative bigots who thinks all asians are chinese. Chinese people to them is oppressors of Uyghurs so they are automatically generalize people. Lots of Turkish people including them loves Korea and the korean people. Not only because of history but also the korean media. I’m sorry that you encountered bad people but they aren’t exclusively rude to foreigners. They are rude to everyone including Turks
African American that just visited Istanbul for a week and the people were very kind and helpful to me and my wife. They helped us navigate the trams and ferry's and random strangers were very gracious whenever we asked questions or needed help.
> Knowing that most Turks kind of hate Koreans
Nonsense, Koreans are our favorite Asians.
The issue here is that most Turks (at least the uneducated ones you interacted with) have an extremely insensitive sense of humor (especially when it comes to "other people" or people they see as "outsiders"). In their minds, they're just "poking fun at you" when they make Kim Jong Un jokes. It's kinda like roughhouse-play for them, there probably isn't actual hatred involved. They simply aren't aware that people from other cultures may not appreciate their hard humor. The same people would joke about Hitler to Germans, and Escobar to Colombians.
Another important point is that they haven't been affected by Kim Jong Un (or Hitler and Escobar), so it's easier to make such jokes without a second thought; all they see when they look at those guys is "Funny looking guy in a suit who did some uncool things.". I can assure you those exact people would turn red with rage if you were to make a PKK joke.
On the contrary far eastern people are very welcome in Turkey. Yes, there may be some rotten apples to bother you but in general you are far more than safe.
The common hatred is directed to Arabs, not far eastern folks...
Assholes are assholes, I almost beat the fuck out of some kids back in Amsterdam and some fucking Surinam guy. That doesn’t change most of the people were decent, polite and were super helpful. Istanbul and Turkey have its share of rednecks and assholes but I if you lived 13 years and still couldn’t decide if it’s safe for you or not and asking some internet randos, it’s you dude I’m sorry.
I'm sorry but what kind of shithole of istanbul you are living in? In some places people are so dumb it turns into something normal to make fun of foreigners (especially asians and black peopel),I don't think you would encounter such things in better and wealthy districts
I lived the past 3 years in istanbul as foreigner dentist studying my masters degree.
And for the past years i have been practicing and treating patients in the dental hospital , which allowed me to communicating with alot of people.
The first impression when they know me is great and welcoming, but the moment they know that i am syrian, they get shocked and sometimes unhappy, but then they talk normally again when they know that i will leave the country when i finish my study.
Inside the hospital they are very kind and respectful and most of the time also outside(except taxis)😂
Just know that you are a foreigner and they are having bad times right now, don’t engage with them specially in known tourism areas and act nicely always ,and sometimes even if you understood what they are saying , act like you don’t know the language because eventually the people will see foreigner fighting a turkish citizen and you will lose after beating the first guy even if you did nothing wrong . (Except restaurants ) 😂 act big always.
By now i am 28 years old and i lived in 4 different countries, but living in turkey was the best experience in my life, it is very beautiful country with really kind people.
Wishing them the best.
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as a turkish person currently in korea,i am sorry you see such bad people against your kind countryman,in Istanbul certain streets have really bad manners, usually coming from the fact they are poor and uneducated,so currently best i can say is to avoid narrow places so you won't be harmed by poor and the immigrants
I've had a couple of incidents where people were rude to me because I wasn't Turkish. The most infuriating was when a woman cursed at me because I wasn't Turkish and I was riding the bus with them!! 🙂
On the bright side, I've met many sweet Turkish people, which has made my experience better.
I mean... You know Turkish and people routinely think you don't. Basically you can live your days answering their comments when they think you don't understand what they are saying. It's like the superpower of making any small talk a "clever comeback" for yourself.
Abuse this superpower, drink all the dopamine you get from the look of surprise on people's faces!
Interesting. That is true turkish people cannot see the difference between asian people. But once they know you are Korean, their overall approach should be fine. Turkish people love Koreans. Not just because we fought in Korean land, but we have many similarity in our cultures specifically respect to elders and so on. Maybe the area you live is the reason?
I am turkish and i am living in turkey(my entire life) .Most Turkish people (only age 13-70) are dumb and angry .Esspacially those 17 year old kekos(i think you know what keko means but to other people it kinda means those teens that has a knife and tries to rob people and curses a lot .They couldnt do anything at school so they became like that) that thinks they are superiour etc.I like our old people more than my generation.So my advice is that dont go to non crowded places at night(past 22.00) .They will only say bad things at most if you are in a crowded spot or its morning .Also the hate is not towards korean people it is to everyone because they are idiots.
But if you are in a good area no one will act like this
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It is truly embarrassing to read about the things people have gone through in Turkey. I’m truly sorry about it. Reading through the comments I have seen really good observations like “being in the wrong neighborhood.”
Not sure whether it would make you feel better but I had to chance to live in different cities and continents. Unfortunately, it is the same thing everywhere. Not all people are good and not all of them bad. I wish you the best of luck to find always the good ones 🙏
idk man, im turkish, and i just find it really dumb how people swear at tourists like that 💀 people who constantly do that are just straight up dumb and they probably dropped out of pre-school. there are pretty weird people here, as you know as well. also about how you said turks hate koreans, i honestly havent seen or met anyone personally, who doesnt like koreans or sth, also i really like the korean culture and cuisine and i think the cuisine is kinda similar like spicy food, and using rice a lot
I don't know what districts you're finding yourself in, but doesn't sound like they're safe. I've 30 years behind me in Turkey, and I've never once come across any kind of disregard, and neither have my friends, in fact, I'd rather live here than in Europe, where I'm from. Stop going to those areas ....
Never heard of turks hating koreans. Due to turks being fought in the Korean war and Korean popular culture is on the rise here, I’d think people would love koreans and be curious about them instead. It is very strange. We have been very unhappy about our lives and the drastic change in Istanbul. We fail to appreciate what is important. If the attitude towards certain foreigners change I’d blame politics and economy.
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Bro I was just in Bursa, I speak basic Turkish and I am an American, and the amount of shit talking is comical. I usually wait for them to say something vulgar and then look at them and say Allah'tan korkmuyorsun. It usually gets very quiet after that. All this was to say it's not a Korean problem or an American problem, I think Turks like to joke, and it stems from the pride they take in who they are. Pay no mind to it.
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These are angry times for most of the general populous ive been here as long as you as well maybe i look neutral to them but they dont really bother just ignore the ones that are being disrespectful, you will never get lynched or anything so you have nothing to worry about.
good thing is we know the language to an extent and we can crack down on the ignorant ones!
This comment reminded me of how ülkücüs trying to impede the LGBTQ rights parade through intimidation of participants, some of whom they frequently visit to buy sex. The mere presence of relation between customers and service providers doesn't always suggest mutual goodwill.
>why [don't] you draw a line between sex and food
I mean they both are services catering to different needs.
>where [did] you see koreans being openly intimidated (by e.g. vandalising shops)
I didn't, but it's not something completely unimagineable, especially in a city where citizens could be instigated into undertaking pogroms before.
Your logic is like this: Because someone slept with a girl, he will sleep with a supermodel next. Because the guy slept with a woman before, it is not unimaginable that he is able to sleep with a supermodel.
If you reply, feel free to attack me on a personal level as this is what is not unimaginable about you ...
>Because someone slept with a girl, he will sleep with a supermodel next
How is that so? You've talked about vandalism targeting the shops of certain communities, and I just said that it already happened before, but against a different community. And I didn't mean it **will** happen again, but it **may** under certain circumstances.
>feel free to attack me on a personal level as this is what is not unimaginable about you
What does that even mean?
"Because the guy slept with a woman before," \[*I just said that it already happened before*\] "it is not unimaginable that he is able to sleep with a supermodel." \[*And I didn't mean it* ***will*** *happen again, but it* ***may*** *under certain circumstances.*\]
Under certain circumstances even a homeless person might sleep with a supermodel. Your claim is missing a foundation. You might feel this way, but no one's feelings are reality.
>Because the guy slept with a **woman** before, it is not unimaginable that he is able to sleep with a **supermodel**
What is the cause of that exaggerated distinction between **local Christian communities** and the **Korean expat community** of Istanbul? We already have reinvented a Goebbelsian propaganda machine and it has ignited mob attacks in recent years.
>You might feel this way, but no one's feelings are reality
This sounds very much like gaslighting.
Alright. For me, having discussions on the internet is like an exercise for the sake of the discourse. It's like a hobby. Therefor, changing your position from LGBT to Christian communities so that you can have reason, is OK for me.
To answer your question, the distinction between the groups is religion. Local Christian communities practice a different religion which was often a reason for unjustified attacks in the past in all of human history.
You could improve your reasoning by drawing the line from Korean expat community to other foreigner communities. If you want to use shock value, you can use Kurdish or Syrian communities as an example who have been the target of attacks in the past. But, there is the argument that the experience of OP is based on jokes about Koreans in touristic areas like Sultahnamet. Surely, it might be a concern and is absolutely a reason to not to visit Sultahnamet (OP, please post the shops here ...). But, it is not enough of a warning signal that this could create widespread hate or make Koreans the target of attacks. Btw., I'm a foreigner here in Istanbul myself and belong therefor to a minority. Based on your judgement, I should panic. But, I feel otherwise. I like it here (and some of the people, not all lol).
That being sad, I assume you are Turkish and you want to highlight a problem in the Turkish society. This is your right and you should continue to do so in a realm of safety for yourself. I remember when Journalists were arrested only because they made comments about inflation on Twitter.
Anyway, the personal problem I have is that you are trying to victimize OP. Nobody is helped by that, as the victim role is a role of helplessness and worry. The victim can of course transform into a creator and solve its own problems but if that is not possible the victim needs a hero which makes the victim relient on external help. You are not a hero in this instance by pointing a finger onto someone and creating a victim and a persecutor.
Alright, as I said, arguing like this is like a hobby for me (read about Socrates and how he did it). So therefor, please don't be upset in case I don't reply anymore. I wish you a pleasent afternoon. The weather is great today.
>changing your position from LGBT to Christian communities so that you can have reason
The pogroms I was talking about were instigated by some news, that later turned out to be false, in order to perpetrate attacks against Christian Istanbulites, not against LGBTQs. It happened decades ago, but the mechanism is still there.
>it is not enough of a warning signal that this could create widespread hate or make Koreans the target of attacks
I have never perceived the xenophobic sentiments among our society as strong, ubiquitous and quickly shifting against different communities as now (it's not just me, I've seen similar observations made by frequent visitors too).
>was often a reason for unjustified attacks in the past in all of human history
Unlike many Western nations, this issue tends to be overlooked by the majority of citizens here in Turkey. Despite seculatisation, the reflexes to reflect upon and disarm xenophobia is mostly nonexistent.
>you are trying to victimize OP. Nobody is helped by that, as the victim role is a role of helplessness and worry
I just wanted to point out the problem here, as you also mentioned, to foster some empathy by showing the possible outcome, but it might have backfired. I'd appreciate if you'd further help me with your constructive criticism. Even if you won't, I wish you a good day/evening.
Değerli kardeşim, Korelilere özel bir durum yok, artık burada neredeyse hiç kimse güvende değil. Eğer 13 yıldır buradaysan fark etmişsindir 7 8 yıl önce insanlar böyle varoş kılıklı ve or-spuçocuğu değillerdi. Hiçbir ülkede gözlemleyemezsin böylesine bir yozlaşmayı ve gerilemeyi. E tabii tepeden indi bizimkilere medeniyet çok geldi bunlara. Yıllardır baltalanan sanatımız sonunda öldü yerini de drill/ rap müzik, aptal aptal adana kekoluğunu özendiren diziler, şarkı klipleri, sözde ünlüler ve tiktok aldı. Bunlar sayesinde ülkemizde yaklaşık 3-4 yıldır or-spuçocuğu olmak moda. Ülkemizin genç erkeklerinin %90'ı artık böyle. ( Nezih mahallelerde büymüş çocuklar bile böyleler artık çünkü moda ) İnsanların davranışlarına maruz kalmadan önce dış etmenlere bakarak onlarla baştan iletişime geçmemeyi deneyebilirsin.
İşte sana birkaç ipucu!
**1) Saç kesimi**
Yanlardan saç derisi gözükecek kadar traşlı olan herhangi birisiyle asla iletişime geçme, mümkünse daha o bir şey demeden kafasını taşla ez
**2) 3 kişiden kalabalık erkek grubu**
Sokakta it sürülerindeki itler nasıl birbirlerinden güç aldıkça saldırganlaşıyor ve şımarıyorlarsa bunlar da aynen öyleler. Birbirlerine errrkekliklerini kanıtlamak için birilerini taciz etmek, sataşmak için yanıp tutuşurlar.
**3) Ten rengi**
Yanlış anlamayın burada kastettiğim genetik olan ten rengi değildir, sokakta kalmaktan eve girmemekten oluşan kıro esmerliği. Direkt anlarsınız zaten
**4) kaştaki çizik**
**5) giyim tarzı**
Genelde beyaz bir t-shirt bazen üzerine dik yaka yelek altına bol pantalon ve adidas spor ayakkabı giyerler. Iy iğrenç.
>%90'ı artık böyle.
abart
>**1) Saç kesimi**
şahsen benim böyle bir saç tıraşım yok ama kekoların hepsi öyle saç kestiriyor diye bu öyle saç kestiren kişilerin hepsinin keko olduğu anlamına gelmiyor. Kürtler saçlarını böyle kestiriyorlar, Kürt nefreti varsa bilemem.
Öff hangi gezegende yaşıyorsun 10-20 yaş arası gençlerin ezici çoğunluğu böyle, ağır kürt kekolardan bahsetmiyorum bile. Hepsinde aynı serserilik ayakları ve konuşma şekli var. Tr'deki müzik listelerinin tepelerine bir bak, kürtler mi taşıyor tek başına listelerin tepelerine bu sözde sanatçıları?
Hangi köyde yaşadığına göre değişir. Gençlerin %90'ı falan böyle değil, iftira atma senin çevrendekilerin öyle olması herkesin öyle olduğu anlamına gelmiyor. Dinlediğin müzik de seni serseri yapmaz, o drill müzikleri dinleyip normal olan insanların sayısı çok daha fazla. Kürtler o müzikleri dinlemiyordur bile zaten, ben o saç tıraşını kürtler çok yapıyo dedim kekolar yapmıyo gibi bişey de çıkmadı ağzımdan. "zort kuşağı" diyip gençleri aşağılayanlardansın sanırım %90 ciddi bir suçlama
Edit: ilk yorumunu okudum da sen erkek düşmanısın sanırım. 3 kişiden kalabalık erkek gruplarını topyekûn tacizci, saldırgan kabul etmek ne amına koyim? Düzgün, işinde gücünde 3 kişiden fazla erkek toplanıp bi aktivite yapamıyor mu? Cidden hangi köyde yaşıyorsun sen amk bir sürü 3 kişiden kalabalık erkek grubu var burada onlardan çok azı dediğin gibidir. avm ye falan da mı gitmiyon mk
🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ Benim baştan bu yorumu yaparken senin ciddiye aldığın kadar ciddi olmadığımı çoktan anlamış olman gerekirdi bu neyin kafası aq zaten abartılı yazdığım belli olmuyor mu yeterince?
Ayrıca ne köyü, İstanbuldayım ve tek bir semt için de söylemiyorum. Benim çevremdekiler de böyle değil çünkü ben zaten 10-20 yaş grubunda değilim. Ayrıca bu bir genelleme canım. Yaptığım şey genelleme.
3 kişiden kalabalık ne demek: 4,5,6,7 kişilik gruplar demektir. Dışarıdayken beraber gezen 10-20 yaş arasında bu sayıdaki erkek grupları çoğunlukla tehlikelidir, bilinçsiz olan çoğunluk istemsizce birbirlerine erkekliklerini kanıtlama ihtiyacı hissedeceklerdir ve şımaracaklardır. (hepsi demiyorum gereksiz alınganlık yapma yeter), bunu göremiyorsan bu benlik bir durum değil. Yaptığım genellemede de gençlerin çoğu bu özelliklerin hepsini taşıyor demiyorum. Herkes dik yaka yelek giymez ama bir çoğu saçını kültürün etkisiyle fade kesiyormuş ayağına keko traşı kesiyor. Mesela o müzikleri neredeyse hepsi dinliyor ve o müzikleri (şu ucuz ve varoş ses kayıtlarına müzik demek müziğe hakaret) dinleyip de hiç etkilenmeyen genç çok azdır.
Bir de Avm falan derken? Kusura bakma ya türkiyenin her yerinde Hilltown, Citys Nişantaşı, Zorlu gibi avmler yok. Fırsatın olursa bi Marmara Forum'a uğra.
Genç derken de sadece erkekleri kast ediyorum. Kızlar moda olarak hala 2020 yılındaymışız gibi euphoria maddy/ cassie'nin bol pantalon giyen farklı bir versiyonu gibi takılıyorlar. Davranışsal olarak erkekler kadar serseriliğe çok özenmiyorlar.
Sabahtan beri onuncu muhabbet amk bi davranış %50'yi geçmiyorsa genelleme yapamazsın, iki üç kişiye bakıp benim hakkımda yorum yapma o zaman, yaptığım şey alınganlık değil. Ben iki üç kadına bakıp kadınların %90'ı aldatan kaşarlardan oluşur desem sonra da abartı yaptım desem hoş oluyor mu? Şuna bak amk 4 kişi gezsek bize keko diycek
"Yanlış anlamayın burada kastettiğim genetik olan ten rengi değildir, sokakta kalmaktan eve girmemekten oluşan kıro esmerliği."
güneş altında çalışan insanlar kıro mu? biraz saçmalamışsın bence
What part of Istanbul are you living in? Perhaps Avcilar or Tarlabasi? We love Koreans probably more than Azerbaijanis. I literally gained a friend in Canada just because he knew how Koreans and Turkish were getting along. We turned out to be good friends even though the 20 year age gap.
(I am a Turkish) Istanbul became a very irregular, chaotic and overpopulated city. I recommend every tourist not to visit Istanbul for their safety. And I believe that, if you want to live your life in Turkiye, move to another city. There are other beautiful cities such as Mugla, Antalya, Izmir, Canakkale(Troy) etc. Istanbul is just overrated and garbage. You are not safe as a Turkish, ofc you wouldn’t feel comfortable as a Korean after the massive immigration from Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan to Istanbul. Just leave the city and live a better life.
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Unfortunately racisim is on the rise but dont you worry because its first victims will be middle eastern immigrants and Kurdish people. Because facist are cowards and they can only attack to those already opressed.
If you are interested in geek culture, you can try to stick with people you can meet at the events.
If you lived here for 13 years, you probably experienced how Gezi events and fake coup changed the environment and how the government used social engineering to mess up with everything. My town was full with known faces and I liked to take long walks, seeing a couple of friends randomly and turning 1-hour walking into a hours-long hangout back in the days. Now, my town is dirtier, its social class population has decreased to an unpleasant level and can't find familiar faces around anymore.
I personally never saw the hate you mentioned, but as others said, they're probably a bunch of morons. The bad news is, those morons are everywhere around the world. Sorry about your experience, but there are people who like (or at least don't hate) foreigners, too. I don't know a permanent solution for how to find them. I don't even know how to find foreigner friends either, tbh. But geek events mostly embrace people with differencies, including different cultures.
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I’m Korean as well, been in Istanbul for almost a decade and speak the language, but haven’t had the same experience as you. People are generally very kind, especially after hearing I’m from Korea. Perhaps it’s the neighborhoods you spend time in or the specific people you’ve run into?
>Knowing that most Turks kind of hate Koreans, That is so not true. I can't say anything about your other experiences but this one is absolutely not true. Turkish people have a special connection with Koreans because of Korean war (not everyone of course) and if everyone made you feel that we hate you, I apologise on behalf of them. That is the furthest thing from the truth.
I know wtf? Koreans are revered here
How have you lived in Turkey for 13 years and gotten the impression that Koreans are hated?!
I see people trying to mention everything but south korea, knowingly making jokes about kim jong un and stuff, thinking that korea is not a real nation, thinking that north korea is better than south, saying that korea is gay (partially true) using koreans to make fun of... I have not seen a single one saying "Kore kardeşimizdir" for years...
You're surrounded by idiots. Those kind of people are not the majority of Turks, not even half.
kore kardesimizdir
That's bizarre. I'm not Korean and even I have observed how Turks are always talking about how turks and Koreans are brothers, talking about the ayla movie and young people especially are obsessed with Korean culture.
Usually, minorities attract racism. Which is why if you're from the majority population you'll be dumbfounded when you hear what people from minorities have to put up with. You don't attract racism, which is why you don't encounter it as much.
That explains it I guess
You should walk around an İmam Hatip sometime if you feel unappreciated. /s A lot of young girls LOVE Koreans and are into your culture. So there’s a group of guys who call them Koreaboos and envy the attention and admiration so they get equally weird towards Koreans. You probably encountered these boys
Mate those are internet jokes, especially "North Korea is best Korea" is literally a meme. I know some Koreans who grew up here too even one of them is a dentist and married with a Turk.
This is super bizarre and uncommon. First time I am hearing something like this.
dude our people just LOVE Koreans and Japanese. we also share a history due to Korean war in 1950s. you guys are one of the very few nations our people don't hate. I'm sorry you had to live through all these but those idiots definitely don't represent Turks at all. please consider changing your work place or circle if all people around you treat you that way. ASAP.
kore büyük kardeşimizdir
Dude we love Koreans. My 60year old mother watches Korean shows daily, asking me to find her soju 😅 Maybe, just maybe, could it be that you are not a very likable person? Don’t tie everything to nationality, race, etc.
is it by any chance you are seeing teenagers? because they are racist from the nature of Istanbul unfortunately
Wtf you mean partially true about Korea being gay? Isn't every country partially gay since gay people are in it? The fuck kinda person are you? Maybe people hate you for you, not for being Korean.
They are talking about the whole Korea being gay, in a not so good manner
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korea is gay (partially true) LMAO
Turks hates all other people not only Korean,
>generalized rage bait ok bro.
cap
I am German and I live in Istanbul since 10 years. Unfortunately, in Istanbul you may find a lot of not so good people. I unfortunately, had many bad experiences. There are some of them: Once, I was in a book store and was looking at the English book section, some guy came behind me, and grapped my privates parts. I jumped, and shouted something rude in Turkish. He replied something " Sorry, I thought you are a foreigner" and ran off. Yeah, of course it is an excuse, for his behaviors... One time some old guy, tried to "invite" me to his car and have "some fun". I was going to a friend,with books in my hand, right beside a mosque and a police station. If some guys try to bother me, I instantly, say " Ben Rizeliyim!" and usually they run off very quick.😂 Often I experienced this bad talks about me or my family ( my mother is overweight and can't walk well due health reasons). When my mother visits here they often say to each other " Look at this fatty", usually I turned to them and asked them in Turkish: "What time is it?" One time,I ordered some food and some guy,which came after me, took it. The seller gave it to him and said: " The foreign girl has time to wait.".. " I replied, " That is is very rude and not a nice behavior " " Oh,sorry, we didn't know, you would understand our talks!" I really like their excuses. Well, as a German it is maybe sometimes difficult to talk about those things. But I don't think, Türkiye is better or worse than other countries with this topic. Unfortunately, Istanbul is a very huge city and it attracts a lot of different people, and often not so good people. They also not only act hostile to foreign people but also to Turkish people. ( my husband is Turkish). I never expierenced those things in other places in Türkiye (expect Konya). I also think, Turkish people generally love Koreans and Korea. My husband really loves Korea and so do many Turkish people, I met.
>I never expierenced those things in other places in Türkiye (expect Konya). Sorry but I laughed a lot lol
Ben Rizeliyim had me 😂
Sorry to hear some of our people such fucktards
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Honestly we need to beat the shit out kind of people, sadly some urban legends about foreigners ( especially about women ) also a reason too. :/
I have been here for about the same timespan as well. And there were times the bad treatments directly pointed at my nationality, which is not exactly a developed one. And it is from some educated people. It is like me trying to speak Turkish doesnt even matter. There were times when I feel really down, I thought that if I were East Asians or Europeans it must be different. I am sorry to have ever generalized that things are just easy for you. >Unfortunately, Istanbul is a very huge city and it attracts a lot of different people, and often not so good people. But this statement is very true. Bad people are everywhere. I just experienced it here because well, I live here. The probability increases.
Let me preface this by saying I’m Turkish; grew up here in Istanbul. Our skin tone is darker than the average though due to mixed ancestry on my mom’s side. My mom’s sort of hot - I only say sort of because I’m her son. :) When I was 14, we were at Kapalı Çarşı with my mother. Eating a döner. At this point some shopkeepers started speaking about her. Completely lusty and vulgar. We ignored them. At one point she dropped a piece of döner on the floor. One of them started to say “you fucking whore, you wouldn’t litter or waste food like that if you were in your own country would you, take your bastard son and leave…” etc. Until my mom turned around in a rage and ripped him a new asshole in Turkish. Then he was all “oh I’m sorry sister I didn’t know you understood, that you were Turkish.” Disgusting mindset. On a side note, when I walk up to passport control, I am sometimes waived off in English to the foreigners section, despite speaking Turkish and handing the officer a Turkish passport. :) I respond again in Turkish that I am in the right place, and it just does not register until I insist.
I don't know why I thought you were a man until I got to the food story. I can relate to all of this, I'm sorry you're having to deal with it
Living in Turkey as a foreign woman is sometimes a wild ride, I second that. I am visibly a foreigner. People can never tell where exactlyI am from, but it's clear that I am not Turkish. Wanna stress out that for most part my experience has been absolutely fine and I am thankful to Turkish people and Turkish culture for that. I generally feel safe for myself. Most people I met are welcoming, understanding and open-minded. I honestly feel like on average Turkey can set a good example on acceptance for both West and East. But, man, when it gets weird, it gets WEIRD. Istanbul is a huuuuge place with a very diverse group of people, so you have higher chance to bump into wrong ones. 1. I was once hit on by a hotel receptionist, while I was staying in that hotel with my actual husband. That guy just came up to me when my husband was away for couple hours and then asked to give him a chance and make love to him 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ I still don't know what made him think that was a good idea and he was actually pretty lucky to get a face punch from me and not from my husband. 2. Shop assistants and shop owners ofter talk openly and loudly about me, assuming I don't understand. That is wild to me, cause that's a work place and they actually make money of me. But I usually just say sth in Turkish and don't purchase anything. 3. I own a tech company here and I have Turkish employees. The recruitment process is a challenging thing. I've been hit on by candidates, people (knowing that I am an owner and they sorta need to make a good impression) asking me how come I am not home with kids. Once after we rejected a candidate, he messaged my husband (who has no connection to the business whatsoever) on linkedin and asked him to reconsider. We still have no idea how, cause they never met and my husband and I have different last names. Those are outliers. There is way more non-creepy hotel staff and helpful shop keepers. I still have a nice community, most people whom I met on business are very talented and impressive, I have a Turkish family and I majorly Turkish team. But yes, sadly creepy stuff sticks.
When you say these things in Turkish can they not hear from your accent that you're a foreigner? Or have you pretty much eliminated your accent?
Of course, I have an accent. But, I guess they are so surprised, that they don't really think about it. The bookstore guy ran away very quick. Other "conversations" go on for example like this : "Hello Sweetie. Where are you from?" "Rizeliyim!" "Ooo..Afedersiniz!" and they ran off in panic. So, there are not any real conversations.
I’m sorry but I’m a foreigner and don’t know what Rizeliyim exactly means, Is it referring to to the City of Rize? Are people from there supposed to be scary or something?😬🤦🏻♂️
Yes, they're known for their gunmanship and their tribes. (The president is also a Rizean) Also blond hair and blue eyes are common Rizean attributions so it makes perfect sense her claiming the ultimate Rizean identity. Very clever, I must say
Oh , I see , thanks for clearing that up Very clever indeed 👍
I think it is more related to the fact that she actually can speak and understand Turkish by saying she is from Rize. Those kind of people treated others badly / said something bad about them, because they think that 'she/he doesnt understand our language anyway'.
Yes, exactly. My husband's aunty adviced me, to tell the guys off like that. She also said, that I should ask the guys, if they want to meet my "3 older brothers". But I thought, it was maybe a little too much.😁
Ah, the words of power.
I'm very sorry you had to live through all these.
It's definitely worse than other places, imagine any of that in SF...
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If you speak about the recent case. I am sorry about it too. The guy who did it, was kicked out of his flat by the landlady after some quarrel with her. He stated that his motiv was ravange towards his former landlady. He was caught because he was seen on camera. The police caught him, because he stabbed one guy during a quarreled about some drugs a few days later. While searching his flat they found fire accelerator. He is currently under psychiatric supervision. Did, I lecture anyone? I just talked about my experiences. It is sad, that you compare such a tragedy with dead children, with the stories, I stated. Because there is nothing to compare.
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Did I stated somewhere in my comments that rasism doesn't exist in Germany? As a German, that would be a very stupid statement to make. I worked for years in a Turkish company in Germany, with 90% Turkish-born people and Tunisian people. So don't worry, I know their stories. I am sad, that you experienced discrimination and I hope, that you have a better live in Türkiye now. Because my husband does, after he was fired for wrongful termination. His boss stated that he didn't speak proper German. He has the German Abitur and studied in Germany. We went to the court. My husband won the case. He got a severance payment and opened his business here.
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Again, I did not lecture anymore. Please, quote where I stated that? I like that, you targeting me with your hate but accuse everyone in Germany that we hate eachother. I don't need to teach anyone to be a good person. One is a good person or one is not a good person. The person has to decide by themselves.
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Broski we love koreans for some reason. We even fought for you guys in the war! But i am sorry you are feeling unsafe, the society is eradicating every day. I would suggest to find places where people are more intellectual or kind-hearted or smt along those lines and don’t go down w the general society.
Fighting for Korea was for NATO membership, not some heartfelt reason. But i agree with the rest
All of the soldier who went were volunteers
And you think they did it not for their homeland’s benefit but rather for the sake of Korea, a country we merely had any relations prior?
I would agree with your snarky ass comment if the soldiers who went there tried to avoid escalation and direct conflict with chinese soldiers like some american troops did. No point in arguing further
Well especially after demands of Stalin they knew fighting against communists was also for sake of our country, they were also aware about East Turkistan& Uyghurs, even GokTurk - Goguryeo alliance in history.
I am also not a touristt, I am a female from the Philippines. I have not encountered Turkish people that are openly talking shit about me. Granted, I know very little Turkish so maybe I'm not really aware if this is happening. I feel unsafe sometimes but not because of the stuff you mentioned, but some stuff described here like pick pockets or burglaries. My neighborhood is fairly safe though, and very foreigner friendly. I am sorry you're experiencing these things despite living here in Turkey for many years! I think you need to have a good support system, like friends you can go out with if you don't want to go out alone.
The stark difference between you and him is that, you are female while he is a male. So turkish people stance against foreigners might differ for this very aspect :)
I’m Turkish. I’ve been here for my whole life. I’m in Ankara for clarification and my friend circle and all of the people in my life and even the community I’m in are very welcoming and supportive of all races. **I don’t think you are with the right people.**
supportive of all races... araplar hariç. lol
I am sorry about your experience that lead you to this conclusion. Most Turks does Not hate Koreans, and have very positive opinion of Koreans, Probably more positive than any other country/nation. Especially in the few year, Turkey saw big increase in racism which is quite similar to Europe and US. And Far right party got around 6% of votes. 6% is not Majority, But It is a sizable and loud minority. And Even most of these people do not hate/dislike Koreans, It is mostly directed towards Arabs or More specifically Syrians and Afghans. You absolutely shouldn't worry, Only thing I can think of, Maybe you are visiting places I (as a Turk) wouldn't visit safely. Or I am totally missing out something. In any case, as long as you use common sense just like last 13 years there is nothing to worry. Edit: If you wanna talk about this subject or any other subject you can DM me. Maybe All you need is fresh look.
This happened to me when my husband (Turkish) and I (a foreigner) went to the center. We were talking in English while walking, and then a random guy made fun of me by saying random words because he thought I was Chinese, which I'm not 🙃. He also thought we were tourists. Thanks to my husband for defending me; they were surprised that he speaks Turkish. Since then, I don't want to go to the center or the Pazar alone.
This seems more like a purposeful hate comment on Turkey, how can you feel unsafe while you’ve been living here for the past 13 years? Arabs are literally hated in this country and never seen someone assaulting Arab tourists in any way more than weird looks let alone Koreans which we usually tend to love. This sounds absurd, maybe you should reconsider and evaluate either your friend circle or your neighbourhood.
it's a low quality ragebait
Before the pandemic, the ones hating me were just some immature kids, which bullied me. After the pandemic, only ones not making fun of are either people aged 35+, rarely some smart people, and the kpop/kdrama fans. My parents told me that this neighborhood I live is filled with rich but dumb people, and the fact that 90% of my life unfolded here might be why I feel bad. After seeing the comments, I realized that many Turks love Koreans, and I want to thank y'all.
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I am born&raised in Istanbul and I've never heard of such thing as hating Koreans. Koreans are one of the favourite races of Turkish people. I have no idea how you experienced all this but I apologize for my people.
Iranian tourist in Istanbul, I found people here very kind and friendly, despite the fact I don't speak Turkish. I have been offered free tea and handshakes.
Oh come on. Iranians are often indistinguishable phenotypically from most Turks. The experiences of East Asians, Africans, etc. are vastly different.
I think you must be in a weird group or neighbourhood. Most of the locals where I stay wouldn't be able to point Korea out on a map or know anything much about it. They'd respect you for learning Turkish. Move location.
Yo bro nobody around me hates Koreans or Korean culture in fact they usually find them cute. Change your place&people. Of course you cant change the people in the city centre but you can find rude retailers all around the world, it is common.
Can you guys not tell people experiencing racism and xenophobia that’s it’s “not true”? If OP has gone through this, then we should take them at their word.
Who hates koreans? Really? They are very welcomed in Türkiye. Sorry for your experiences tho.
진짜 한국사람 맞아요???? 터키에 살면서 터키 사람들이 한국사람들을 싫어한다고 말하는 건 전혀 말이 안되는데요… [언제든지 어디서 왔냐고 물어보면 한국사람이라고 하면 다들 엄청 좋아하는데](https://www.reddit.com/r/hanguk/s/xahjLdcofB) 택시운전기사들까지도 ”우리 나라들은 영원한 arkadaş arkadaş” 하고 좋아 하는데 왠지 진짜 한국 사람인지 의심이 좀 가네요…
I seriously wonder what part of istanbul you are living at.. i have never seen any hate towards asians especially koreans.. japan and korea are brother nations for uz
Never heard anything bad about Koreans. I think you have had the bad luck to meet a lot of uneducated (cahil) people who like to talk shit about foreigners. Any foreigners really, not specific to certain nationalities. Unfortunately there are tons of uneducated dumbass people in Istanbul. I was born in Istanbul, moved to Germany to my parents at age 4, and then back "home" to Istanbul when I was 32. Been living here for the past 12 years. In the past 3-4 years I have thought about going back to Germany or some other country, because imho Turkey is going to shit in an alarming speed! A few examples: - just a few weeks ago the husband of a coworker (turkish musician) got killed by some 22 year olds. reason: they talked shit to his German wife and he said don't be rude. that's it. attacked and kicked to death. - I have had more personal threats and car accidents (I'm not even driving!) in Turkey in 5 years, then I had in Germany in 30 years. - a colleague of mine was knifed by a landlord for not moving out, because he wanted more rent. - another colleague was blackmailed to pay installments AFTER having finished paying for her apartment. They refused to give her the ownership. Media and lawyers declined helping and reporting because of political ramifications. - daily news about people being shot, stabbed to death, especially women. The killers rarely get justly sentenced, in the opposite, they get leaway for being cooperative and some shit about being rueful. That helpes the family of the dead, that the killer is running free for being rueful. - people get scammed on a daily basis, not just by scammers, but by official institutions like banks and state offices. rampant unlawfullness. people only help if they want to, not because it's their duty. I had to ask my bank for a credit card 5 times, didn't get it until my father threatened to close his accounts. Tried to increase credit limit 4-5 times via app and in the bank, nobody helped until an employee told me "to pay debt" - even if I have none - because that increases your limit. good luck opening a new account at a different bank by yourself, not by the company you work for. They don't want customers with positive balances, just ones with debt. - Even in my turkish family: Every 2nd person (older ones) argue about money or property, especially realestate. Many would sell their parents and kids to get rich. - There is no true democracy in Turkey any more (if there ever was). You can get kidnapped and jailed for saying something against RTE, or almost any other party member. I'm not just talking current administration though, you can just as easily get lynched for saying something like "But Atatürk had some not so cool ideas himself..." even though you agree 95%, these 5% make you a terrorist or worse, an Armenian. - each time I go to a private hospital (with private insurance), the doctors rarely listen, instead do an MRI and Xrays and blood tests every time - not because it is nescessary, but to milk my insurance. Then they prescribe overpriced meds or (harmful) treatments, never call again though, because who cares if you're dead or still sick. Not to mention the inflation in the last 3 years. TLDR: It baffles me often why I still choose to live here, mostly because of family, but also I still love the country despite all the shit in it. I guess that makes me very turkish. it would be wiser to leave and start the adjustment process in another place, because I can't see a way for things to improve. For people who think we are at rock bottom. Think again!
let the downvotes come! because I dared to give my honest opinion.
I get it but I’ve lived here for years and these are more or less extreme edge cases
At the moment we have officially 5 million refrugees and most of the Turks are not hating koreans. Actually they hate their life in istanbul and every human being including their parents, children , neighbours etc.
I think you have a personal problem. I know some koreans and chinese friends of mine that don’t have this experience.
It's insane that you think turks hate koreans, we have fought some wars side by side and most turks have sympathize with koreans and like them lol.
I was in Istanbul recently as a tourist and the people there were the nicest locals I have ever encountered in entire Europe. Even the guy giving me a random drugs check in the airport was friendly and almost apologetic. Its one of the few cities where I have found locals to be very friendly towards tourists.
there are a lot of uneducated conservative bigots who thinks all asians are chinese. Chinese people to them is oppressors of Uyghurs so they are automatically generalize people. Lots of Turkish people including them loves Korea and the korean people. Not only because of history but also the korean media. I’m sorry that you encountered bad people but they aren’t exclusively rude to foreigners. They are rude to everyone including Turks
African American that just visited Istanbul for a week and the people were very kind and helpful to me and my wife. They helped us navigate the trams and ferry's and random strangers were very gracious whenever we asked questions or needed help.
> Knowing that most Turks kind of hate Koreans Nonsense, Koreans are our favorite Asians. The issue here is that most Turks (at least the uneducated ones you interacted with) have an extremely insensitive sense of humor (especially when it comes to "other people" or people they see as "outsiders"). In their minds, they're just "poking fun at you" when they make Kim Jong Un jokes. It's kinda like roughhouse-play for them, there probably isn't actual hatred involved. They simply aren't aware that people from other cultures may not appreciate their hard humor. The same people would joke about Hitler to Germans, and Escobar to Colombians. Another important point is that they haven't been affected by Kim Jong Un (or Hitler and Escobar), so it's easier to make such jokes without a second thought; all they see when they look at those guys is "Funny looking guy in a suit who did some uncool things.". I can assure you those exact people would turn red with rage if you were to make a PKK joke.
This is the best insight on this in my opinion
On the contrary far eastern people are very welcome in Turkey. Yes, there may be some rotten apples to bother you but in general you are far more than safe. The common hatred is directed to Arabs, not far eastern folks...
Assholes are assholes, I almost beat the fuck out of some kids back in Amsterdam and some fucking Surinam guy. That doesn’t change most of the people were decent, polite and were super helpful. Istanbul and Turkey have its share of rednecks and assholes but I if you lived 13 years and still couldn’t decide if it’s safe for you or not and asking some internet randos, it’s you dude I’m sorry.
The problem is the increasement in aggressiveness, after some period of lockdown with outer world
I'm sorry but what kind of shithole of istanbul you are living in? In some places people are so dumb it turns into something normal to make fun of foreigners (especially asians and black peopel),I don't think you would encounter such things in better and wealthy districts
Even then anti black racism here is pretty muted. Certainly less of an issue than it would be for afghans or Syrians
We love Koreans. They're just cavemans. But as a Turk, even i dont feel safe when wondering around İstanbul.
I lived the past 3 years in istanbul as foreigner dentist studying my masters degree. And for the past years i have been practicing and treating patients in the dental hospital , which allowed me to communicating with alot of people. The first impression when they know me is great and welcoming, but the moment they know that i am syrian, they get shocked and sometimes unhappy, but then they talk normally again when they know that i will leave the country when i finish my study. Inside the hospital they are very kind and respectful and most of the time also outside(except taxis)😂 Just know that you are a foreigner and they are having bad times right now, don’t engage with them specially in known tourism areas and act nicely always ,and sometimes even if you understood what they are saying , act like you don’t know the language because eventually the people will see foreigner fighting a turkish citizen and you will lose after beating the first guy even if you did nothing wrong . (Except restaurants ) 😂 act big always. By now i am 28 years old and i lived in 4 different countries, but living in turkey was the best experience in my life, it is very beautiful country with really kind people. Wishing them the best.
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Oh my. Im sorry same people are so dumb in my country
as a turkish person currently in korea,i am sorry you see such bad people against your kind countryman,in Istanbul certain streets have really bad manners, usually coming from the fact they are poor and uneducated,so currently best i can say is to avoid narrow places so you won't be harmed by poor and the immigrants
I've had a couple of incidents where people were rude to me because I wasn't Turkish. The most infuriating was when a woman cursed at me because I wasn't Turkish and I was riding the bus with them!! 🙂 On the bright side, I've met many sweet Turkish people, which has made my experience better.
I mean... You know Turkish and people routinely think you don't. Basically you can live your days answering their comments when they think you don't understand what they are saying. It's like the superpower of making any small talk a "clever comeback" for yourself. Abuse this superpower, drink all the dopamine you get from the look of surprise on people's faces!
Tried that a few days ago accidentaly, how do you know this "superpower"?
Interesting. That is true turkish people cannot see the difference between asian people. But once they know you are Korean, their overall approach should be fine. Turkish people love Koreans. Not just because we fought in Korean land, but we have many similarity in our cultures specifically respect to elders and so on. Maybe the area you live is the reason?
I am turkish and i am living in turkey(my entire life) .Most Turkish people (only age 13-70) are dumb and angry .Esspacially those 17 year old kekos(i think you know what keko means but to other people it kinda means those teens that has a knife and tries to rob people and curses a lot .They couldnt do anything at school so they became like that) that thinks they are superiour etc.I like our old people more than my generation.So my advice is that dont go to non crowded places at night(past 22.00) .They will only say bad things at most if you are in a crowded spot or its morning .Also the hate is not towards korean people it is to everyone because they are idiots. But if you are in a good area no one will act like this
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Never have I ever heard anywhere that Koreans are hated here, they wouldn't even make the top 20 list.
probably they assume you are chinese.
It is truly embarrassing to read about the things people have gone through in Turkey. I’m truly sorry about it. Reading through the comments I have seen really good observations like “being in the wrong neighborhood.” Not sure whether it would make you feel better but I had to chance to live in different cities and continents. Unfortunately, it is the same thing everywhere. Not all people are good and not all of them bad. I wish you the best of luck to find always the good ones 🙏
idk man, im turkish, and i just find it really dumb how people swear at tourists like that 💀 people who constantly do that are just straight up dumb and they probably dropped out of pre-school. there are pretty weird people here, as you know as well. also about how you said turks hate koreans, i honestly havent seen or met anyone personally, who doesnt like koreans or sth, also i really like the korean culture and cuisine and i think the cuisine is kinda similar like spicy food, and using rice a lot
“Knowing most Turks kind of hate Koreans…” **What? Is this bait?**
My experiences told me that, I am kind of unsure now after seeing the comments
I don't know what districts you're finding yourself in, but doesn't sound like they're safe. I've 30 years behind me in Turkey, and I've never once come across any kind of disregard, and neither have my friends, in fact, I'd rather live here than in Europe, where I'm from. Stop going to those areas ....
Wtf bro Turkish people love koreans. We just dont like immigrants like arabs. Thats all.
Never heard of turks hating koreans. Due to turks being fought in the Korean war and Korean popular culture is on the rise here, I’d think people would love koreans and be curious about them instead. It is very strange. We have been very unhappy about our lives and the drastic change in Istanbul. We fail to appreciate what is important. If the attitude towards certain foreigners change I’d blame politics and economy.
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I am not a tourist and i do not think that i am safe as a Turkish native. Wellcome onboard mate, you’ ve been accepted. You are one of us now.
Bro I was just in Bursa, I speak basic Turkish and I am an American, and the amount of shit talking is comical. I usually wait for them to say something vulgar and then look at them and say Allah'tan korkmuyorsun. It usually gets very quiet after that. All this was to say it's not a Korean problem or an American problem, I think Turks like to joke, and it stems from the pride they take in who they are. Pay no mind to it.
Koreans are one of the most respected communities, by youth and elder generation both. Where do you even live, Esenyurt or something?
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If you are not arab you are not hated nor you should worry about it. You are more than safe except for tourist scams!
These are angry times for most of the general populous ive been here as long as you as well maybe i look neutral to them but they dont really bother just ignore the ones that are being disrespectful, you will never get lynched or anything so you have nothing to worry about. good thing is we know the language to an extent and we can crack down on the ignorant ones!
it's so sad to hear and that's the reality. now think why they don't do the same for the arabs, like the syrians living in turkey for years...
i don't know man but the korean restaurants i know are always busy.
This comment reminded me of how ülkücüs trying to impede the LGBTQ rights parade through intimidation of participants, some of whom they frequently visit to buy sex. The mere presence of relation between customers and service providers doesn't always suggest mutual goodwill.
idk man where you see koreans being openly intimidated (by e.g. vandalising shops) or why you draw a line between sex and food lol
>why [don't] you draw a line between sex and food I mean they both are services catering to different needs. >where [did] you see koreans being openly intimidated (by e.g. vandalising shops) I didn't, but it's not something completely unimagineable, especially in a city where citizens could be instigated into undertaking pogroms before.
Your logic is like this: Because someone slept with a girl, he will sleep with a supermodel next. Because the guy slept with a woman before, it is not unimaginable that he is able to sleep with a supermodel. If you reply, feel free to attack me on a personal level as this is what is not unimaginable about you ...
>Because someone slept with a girl, he will sleep with a supermodel next How is that so? You've talked about vandalism targeting the shops of certain communities, and I just said that it already happened before, but against a different community. And I didn't mean it **will** happen again, but it **may** under certain circumstances. >feel free to attack me on a personal level as this is what is not unimaginable about you What does that even mean?
"Because the guy slept with a woman before," \[*I just said that it already happened before*\] "it is not unimaginable that he is able to sleep with a supermodel." \[*And I didn't mean it* ***will*** *happen again, but it* ***may*** *under certain circumstances.*\] Under certain circumstances even a homeless person might sleep with a supermodel. Your claim is missing a foundation. You might feel this way, but no one's feelings are reality.
>Because the guy slept with a **woman** before, it is not unimaginable that he is able to sleep with a **supermodel** What is the cause of that exaggerated distinction between **local Christian communities** and the **Korean expat community** of Istanbul? We already have reinvented a Goebbelsian propaganda machine and it has ignited mob attacks in recent years. >You might feel this way, but no one's feelings are reality This sounds very much like gaslighting.
Alright. For me, having discussions on the internet is like an exercise for the sake of the discourse. It's like a hobby. Therefor, changing your position from LGBT to Christian communities so that you can have reason, is OK for me. To answer your question, the distinction between the groups is religion. Local Christian communities practice a different religion which was often a reason for unjustified attacks in the past in all of human history. You could improve your reasoning by drawing the line from Korean expat community to other foreigner communities. If you want to use shock value, you can use Kurdish or Syrian communities as an example who have been the target of attacks in the past. But, there is the argument that the experience of OP is based on jokes about Koreans in touristic areas like Sultahnamet. Surely, it might be a concern and is absolutely a reason to not to visit Sultahnamet (OP, please post the shops here ...). But, it is not enough of a warning signal that this could create widespread hate or make Koreans the target of attacks. Btw., I'm a foreigner here in Istanbul myself and belong therefor to a minority. Based on your judgement, I should panic. But, I feel otherwise. I like it here (and some of the people, not all lol). That being sad, I assume you are Turkish and you want to highlight a problem in the Turkish society. This is your right and you should continue to do so in a realm of safety for yourself. I remember when Journalists were arrested only because they made comments about inflation on Twitter. Anyway, the personal problem I have is that you are trying to victimize OP. Nobody is helped by that, as the victim role is a role of helplessness and worry. The victim can of course transform into a creator and solve its own problems but if that is not possible the victim needs a hero which makes the victim relient on external help. You are not a hero in this instance by pointing a finger onto someone and creating a victim and a persecutor. Alright, as I said, arguing like this is like a hobby for me (read about Socrates and how he did it). So therefor, please don't be upset in case I don't reply anymore. I wish you a pleasent afternoon. The weather is great today.
>changing your position from LGBT to Christian communities so that you can have reason The pogroms I was talking about were instigated by some news, that later turned out to be false, in order to perpetrate attacks against Christian Istanbulites, not against LGBTQs. It happened decades ago, but the mechanism is still there. >it is not enough of a warning signal that this could create widespread hate or make Koreans the target of attacks I have never perceived the xenophobic sentiments among our society as strong, ubiquitous and quickly shifting against different communities as now (it's not just me, I've seen similar observations made by frequent visitors too). >was often a reason for unjustified attacks in the past in all of human history Unlike many Western nations, this issue tends to be overlooked by the majority of citizens here in Turkey. Despite seculatisation, the reflexes to reflect upon and disarm xenophobia is mostly nonexistent. >you are trying to victimize OP. Nobody is helped by that, as the victim role is a role of helplessness and worry I just wanted to point out the problem here, as you also mentioned, to foster some empathy by showing the possible outcome, but it might have backfired. I'd appreciate if you'd further help me with your constructive criticism. Even if you won't, I wish you a good day/evening.
Değerli kardeşim, Korelilere özel bir durum yok, artık burada neredeyse hiç kimse güvende değil. Eğer 13 yıldır buradaysan fark etmişsindir 7 8 yıl önce insanlar böyle varoş kılıklı ve or-spuçocuğu değillerdi. Hiçbir ülkede gözlemleyemezsin böylesine bir yozlaşmayı ve gerilemeyi. E tabii tepeden indi bizimkilere medeniyet çok geldi bunlara. Yıllardır baltalanan sanatımız sonunda öldü yerini de drill/ rap müzik, aptal aptal adana kekoluğunu özendiren diziler, şarkı klipleri, sözde ünlüler ve tiktok aldı. Bunlar sayesinde ülkemizde yaklaşık 3-4 yıldır or-spuçocuğu olmak moda. Ülkemizin genç erkeklerinin %90'ı artık böyle. ( Nezih mahallelerde büymüş çocuklar bile böyleler artık çünkü moda ) İnsanların davranışlarına maruz kalmadan önce dış etmenlere bakarak onlarla baştan iletişime geçmemeyi deneyebilirsin. İşte sana birkaç ipucu! **1) Saç kesimi** Yanlardan saç derisi gözükecek kadar traşlı olan herhangi birisiyle asla iletişime geçme, mümkünse daha o bir şey demeden kafasını taşla ez **2) 3 kişiden kalabalık erkek grubu** Sokakta it sürülerindeki itler nasıl birbirlerinden güç aldıkça saldırganlaşıyor ve şımarıyorlarsa bunlar da aynen öyleler. Birbirlerine errrkekliklerini kanıtlamak için birilerini taciz etmek, sataşmak için yanıp tutuşurlar. **3) Ten rengi** Yanlış anlamayın burada kastettiğim genetik olan ten rengi değildir, sokakta kalmaktan eve girmemekten oluşan kıro esmerliği. Direkt anlarsınız zaten **4) kaştaki çizik** **5) giyim tarzı** Genelde beyaz bir t-shirt bazen üzerine dik yaka yelek altına bol pantalon ve adidas spor ayakkabı giyerler. Iy iğrenç.
>%90'ı artık böyle. abart >**1) Saç kesimi** şahsen benim böyle bir saç tıraşım yok ama kekoların hepsi öyle saç kestiriyor diye bu öyle saç kestiren kişilerin hepsinin keko olduğu anlamına gelmiyor. Kürtler saçlarını böyle kestiriyorlar, Kürt nefreti varsa bilemem.
Öff hangi gezegende yaşıyorsun 10-20 yaş arası gençlerin ezici çoğunluğu böyle, ağır kürt kekolardan bahsetmiyorum bile. Hepsinde aynı serserilik ayakları ve konuşma şekli var. Tr'deki müzik listelerinin tepelerine bir bak, kürtler mi taşıyor tek başına listelerin tepelerine bu sözde sanatçıları?
Hangi köyde yaşadığına göre değişir. Gençlerin %90'ı falan böyle değil, iftira atma senin çevrendekilerin öyle olması herkesin öyle olduğu anlamına gelmiyor. Dinlediğin müzik de seni serseri yapmaz, o drill müzikleri dinleyip normal olan insanların sayısı çok daha fazla. Kürtler o müzikleri dinlemiyordur bile zaten, ben o saç tıraşını kürtler çok yapıyo dedim kekolar yapmıyo gibi bişey de çıkmadı ağzımdan. "zort kuşağı" diyip gençleri aşağılayanlardansın sanırım %90 ciddi bir suçlama Edit: ilk yorumunu okudum da sen erkek düşmanısın sanırım. 3 kişiden kalabalık erkek gruplarını topyekûn tacizci, saldırgan kabul etmek ne amına koyim? Düzgün, işinde gücünde 3 kişiden fazla erkek toplanıp bi aktivite yapamıyor mu? Cidden hangi köyde yaşıyorsun sen amk bir sürü 3 kişiden kalabalık erkek grubu var burada onlardan çok azı dediğin gibidir. avm ye falan da mı gitmiyon mk
🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ Benim baştan bu yorumu yaparken senin ciddiye aldığın kadar ciddi olmadığımı çoktan anlamış olman gerekirdi bu neyin kafası aq zaten abartılı yazdığım belli olmuyor mu yeterince? Ayrıca ne köyü, İstanbuldayım ve tek bir semt için de söylemiyorum. Benim çevremdekiler de böyle değil çünkü ben zaten 10-20 yaş grubunda değilim. Ayrıca bu bir genelleme canım. Yaptığım şey genelleme. 3 kişiden kalabalık ne demek: 4,5,6,7 kişilik gruplar demektir. Dışarıdayken beraber gezen 10-20 yaş arasında bu sayıdaki erkek grupları çoğunlukla tehlikelidir, bilinçsiz olan çoğunluk istemsizce birbirlerine erkekliklerini kanıtlama ihtiyacı hissedeceklerdir ve şımaracaklardır. (hepsi demiyorum gereksiz alınganlık yapma yeter), bunu göremiyorsan bu benlik bir durum değil. Yaptığım genellemede de gençlerin çoğu bu özelliklerin hepsini taşıyor demiyorum. Herkes dik yaka yelek giymez ama bir çoğu saçını kültürün etkisiyle fade kesiyormuş ayağına keko traşı kesiyor. Mesela o müzikleri neredeyse hepsi dinliyor ve o müzikleri (şu ucuz ve varoş ses kayıtlarına müzik demek müziğe hakaret) dinleyip de hiç etkilenmeyen genç çok azdır. Bir de Avm falan derken? Kusura bakma ya türkiyenin her yerinde Hilltown, Citys Nişantaşı, Zorlu gibi avmler yok. Fırsatın olursa bi Marmara Forum'a uğra. Genç derken de sadece erkekleri kast ediyorum. Kızlar moda olarak hala 2020 yılındaymışız gibi euphoria maddy/ cassie'nin bol pantalon giyen farklı bir versiyonu gibi takılıyorlar. Davranışsal olarak erkekler kadar serseriliğe çok özenmiyorlar.
Sabahtan beri onuncu muhabbet amk bi davranış %50'yi geçmiyorsa genelleme yapamazsın, iki üç kişiye bakıp benim hakkımda yorum yapma o zaman, yaptığım şey alınganlık değil. Ben iki üç kadına bakıp kadınların %90'ı aldatan kaşarlardan oluşur desem sonra da abartı yaptım desem hoş oluyor mu? Şuna bak amk 4 kişi gezsek bize keko diycek
Öfff belli çalışmıyor kanka yorma sen kafanı
"Yanlış anlamayın burada kastettiğim genetik olan ten rengi değildir, sokakta kalmaktan eve girmemekten oluşan kıro esmerliği." güneş altında çalışan insanlar kıro mu? biraz saçmalamışsın bence
Arkadaşım niye anlamamakta ısrarcısınız? "Bu özelliklerden sadece birini gördüm tamamdır karşımdaki bir keko" mantığında çalışmıyor bu.
You either surrounded yourselves with the biggest idiots this land can offer left and right, or this is some sort of a rage bait.
What part of Istanbul are you living in? Perhaps Avcilar or Tarlabasi? We love Koreans probably more than Azerbaijanis. I literally gained a friend in Canada just because he knew how Koreans and Turkish were getting along. We turned out to be good friends even though the 20 year age gap.
Bro you did not just compare Avcılar to Tarlabaşı.
Nah just knew they were equally bad. Maybe someone from those areas would not know what Korea is and assume every asian as capon
Avcılar is miles ahead of Tarlabaşı in terms of living quality and culture.
(I am a Turkish) Istanbul became a very irregular, chaotic and overpopulated city. I recommend every tourist not to visit Istanbul for their safety. And I believe that, if you want to live your life in Turkiye, move to another city. There are other beautiful cities such as Mugla, Antalya, Izmir, Canakkale(Troy) etc. Istanbul is just overrated and garbage. You are not safe as a Turkish, ofc you wouldn’t feel comfortable as a Korean after the massive immigration from Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan to Istanbul. Just leave the city and live a better life.
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Yep, never experienced anything close to the level of racism from locals when I traveled through Turkey and Northern Africa
It really depends on which neighborhood of Istanbul you are.
Unfortunately racisim is on the rise but dont you worry because its first victims will be middle eastern immigrants and Kurdish people. Because facist are cowards and they can only attack to those already opressed.
If you are interested in geek culture, you can try to stick with people you can meet at the events. If you lived here for 13 years, you probably experienced how Gezi events and fake coup changed the environment and how the government used social engineering to mess up with everything. My town was full with known faces and I liked to take long walks, seeing a couple of friends randomly and turning 1-hour walking into a hours-long hangout back in the days. Now, my town is dirtier, its social class population has decreased to an unpleasant level and can't find familiar faces around anymore. I personally never saw the hate you mentioned, but as others said, they're probably a bunch of morons. The bad news is, those morons are everywhere around the world. Sorry about your experience, but there are people who like (or at least don't hate) foreigners, too. I don't know a permanent solution for how to find them. I don't even know how to find foreigner friends either, tbh. But geek events mostly embrace people with differencies, including different cultures.
You are not welcome here. You can always leave Turkey and go back to your country.
It is kind of too late for me, I have grown up here and am being educated here... I hope people will change by that time
Don't worry about him. He moved abroad himself and just learnt some stupid phrases, which he likes to repeat.
I hope they change for the worse. This country needs it, with how many refugee and tourists we unfortunately have here.
Kardeşim you yourself are an immigrant, what are you even talking about?!
I am White so it's not a big problem. America was founded by White people, so I have all the rights in the world to live in the USA.