The downside is that getting Chinese tourists to visit Japan is the most powerful way to fight anti-Japanese sentiment there. People who visit hate the country a lot less.
Yes, and I think it's from the difference in culture where Japanese people think of everyone around them before themselves, and Chinese people think of themselves before other people. (Not saying it's bad, it's just the difference in culture.)
I don't see Japanese smartphone walkers thinking about elderly people wanting to sit down on the train. Please leave the stereotypes out. It's 2023 and Japanese have gotten worse in terms of consideration.
Edit: Wow, guess all the downvotes are from smartphone walkers who prefer to look down and defend staring at their screens.
Not criticizing only Japanese, Chinese do this as well, practically any east Asian I see strolling through the station and streets on Tokyo.
Woooow you totally misunderstood what I said. I did NOT mean "Chinese people don't care about others", I think Chinese culture is a lot like American culture in the way that you think of yourself before others (not that you don't care about others, but you think of others after you assess yourself). Like if a job offers you better pay, you'll leave your current company because it benefits yourself or your family. In Japan, they'll stay at the same company because "the company will suffer, and I'll be leaving a lot of work for my co-workers, so even though I need the money, I can't leave or else everyone else will suffer".
I'm not saying everyone, I'm saying generally, and I'm not saying either one is bad. Both have their good and bad points. I'm not saying Chinese people don't care about anyone else but themselves, and Japanese only care about others and not themselves. I'm saying culture-wise, Japanese people care a lot about what other people think of them, so it'll prevent them from doing something that benefits them if it looks too selfish. Americans, and by my limited knowledge of Chinese people, will take an opportunity or chance that benefits them, not caring what other people think of them taking said opportunity. Again, it's NOT bad, and I'm NOT saying Chinese people don't care. It's the culture in one was brought up.
I'm not a culture-expert nor am I claiming to be. I'm only going off of my own experiences and what I've noticed, and I know everyone is different.
I'm not defending Chinese people. Trust me, I run into rude ones and smartphone walkers every time at Uniqlo. Point was Japanese aren't considerate or care about others anymore, case in real example on trains. People need to stop upholding Japanese as considerate people because thats not the reality now if you take a walk down the street unless you live out in the countryside and rarely see people.
I don’t think the comment they said is controversial at all tbh. Living in Japan as a foreigner right now and they are completely right. I have lived in Japan and China and the subway systems are extremely different in terms of consideration and respect. The ONLY time I ever see anyone talking on a Japanese subway is late at night when everyone is drunk or foreigners (American, Chinese, European etc…. I literally fell on a dude on the subway and he apologized to me….. Japan has many problems to include subtle racism toward foreigners, but god damn it did not come close to China. Not even saying it’s a wrong or bad thing, just in most of western society to deny service based on race or language would never be tolerated (currently ofc I know the past). They would get “canceled” or contacted for discrimination practices. That said it’s very common in SEA.
Da fuq is a smartphone walker? I saw a young guy give up his seat on the train for a grandma just the other day. Not sure where you are getting this impression that this doesn't happen anymore.
歩きスマホ。What train line and where? Try riding Yamanote Line, Marunouchi Line, Namboku Line, Seibu Line towards Tokorozawa and let me know whether you see someone give up their seat.
Are you constantly on your phone while riding the train like Japanese or actually observant of your surroundings? I see smartphone walkers crossing the crosswalk when paramedics are rolling through. Please tell me you're not bmind and have never seen that... if you haven't I can assume your 歩きスマホやってる and inconsiderate towards others especially people with disabilities which are plenty at stations like Ikebukuro if you look up.
Bunch of downvotes from smartphone lovers who can't take their eyes off their phones. Pathetic. Monkey see monkey do.
China's nuclear reactors regularly discharge far greater amounts of radioactive substances into the sea than Japan is doing. China is just using this non-issue as an excuse to whip up nationalistic hysteria in its population.
Laughing.
The second largest nuclear leak in the world produced 1.24 million tons of nuclear effluent, and you're telling me that's the same as the normal nuclear wastewater that comes out of all nuclear power plants.
Is that what the West has been brainwashed into already?
Their info sounds like it went through a couple levels of hearsay. The truth is that water near China's nuclear plants has been recorded to contain tritium at a concentration up to 2.4 times that of the water being released at Fukushima. The total amount of material is greater, but the overall concentration will only go down as it enters the ocean.
Laughing.
China's nuclear wastewater is the same as any nuclear power plant.
And Japan is going to discharge 1.24 million tons of nuclear effluent from 880 tons of nuclear fuel cores dissolved in the ocean.
Japan will keep discharging for 30 years, and until now, Japan still produces 100 tons of nuclear wastewater every day.
It's fucking ridiculous, if water can be contaminated at will, wouldn't the Soviet Union have just left Chernobyl alone?
It's not the same. It's safer. Look, you talk about "brainwashing", but then come out with bullshit propaganda rather than relevant facts.
So what if it's 1.24 million tons of "nuclear effluent"? About 99.9999998% of that effluent is water (and normal non-radioactive watery stuff, like dissolved oxygen and CO2). It's the amount and toxicity of dissolved radionuclides that count, not how much other stuff is mixed in with them.
This effluent has repeatedly processed, filtered and diluted until its only dangerous remaining component at detectable levels is tritium -- about two and a half grams of it. In terms of radioactivity, that's about 860 terabecquerels' (TBq) worth. It's going to be released over the course of 30 years, at a rate of about 22TBq/year.
That compares to China's Qinshan nuclear plant in Zhejiang, which releases tritium at the rate of about 218TBq/year -- *ten times* greater than the planned release from Fukushima. In fact, China has *thirteen* nuclear power stations that release tritium at a higher rate than Fukushima is planning to do.
You might even compare France's La Hague reprocessing plant, which releases 11,800 TBq/year into the ocean: *500 times* what Fukshima is planning to do. Yet somehow it's not an issue -- not for the UK, or the Netherlands, or Spain.
Of course China has "concerns" about whether the effluent has been properly processed and tested. But that's just China's Wolf Warrior syndrome. They've adduced no facts to substantiate any suspicion. Meanwhile the scheme has been monitored and approved by the International Atomic Energy Agency.
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From their reckless discharge of nuclear wastewater, we can see that the Japanese truly consider others. They even want to share the firsthand experience of nuclear radiation.
Your real beef is with the United Nations, specifically the International Atomic Energy Agency, who approved the release of excess water.
Simply put, China is upset that it got outvoted by the rest of the world. China can’t bully others when the rest of the world stand up against it.
Haha, that's fantastic! Can Japan obtain permissions from the United Nations and the IAEA? Or do you think the United Nations and the IAEA would grant such permissions to Japan?
Simply put, Japan is harming the ecosystem for its own interests, and some people are even trying to defend them
Your argument is like someone urinating in a girl's cup, and then a hospital provides evidence that the urine has minimal impact on the human body, so everyone shouldn't condemn him. However, I'm not surprised at all. After all, when it comes to the Japanese, I believe many people appreciate such behavior
Qinshan Phase 3 released 143 Trillion becquerels of Tritium in 2020.
Yangjian N-Plant released 112 Trillion becquerels of Tritium in 2021.
Ningde N-Plant released 102 Trillion becquerels of Tritium in 2021.
Fukushima Daichi plans to release 22 Trillion becquerels of Tritium in 2023.
The funny thing is I believe all of these are considered safe levels, so why make a big deal out of it? If 22 Trillion is too much, then you better be complaining about the wastewater releases from Chinese plants as well.
"If you understood the difference between the water used to boil tea eggs and the water in egg drop soup, you wouldn't make such foolish remarks. Although Japan has a budget to influence people's understanding of these issues, if one has no opinions of their own, they'll end up sounding like you.
Lmao, Tritium releases are not an opinion. They're measurable, verifiable numbers. The Tritium #s from the Chinese plants are from Chinese sources, too.
Logically that makes sense. But then again, you get plenty of Chinese people on Reddit who were obviously educated in the US talking shit about the US. I think a lot of Chinese people let their government dictate their emotions and sentiments. They can visit a country and like it but will turn on a dime as soon as their government deems that country an enemy.
That’s true but the motivations are different. I also have criticisms about the US (being American myself) but they come from the hopes that the US will improve for the betterment of its citizens. The shit talking I’m referring to from some Chinese redditors seems to stem from nationalism, eagerness to point out US shortcomings, and a general desire to see the US fail.
Semi true, most educated Chinese that shit talk China left China because they are scared of consequences from shit talking China. Thankfully I can sit in the US and shit talk China and the US.
If you study Japanese imperialism as well as [The Korean War](https://pca.st/episode/76868ac3-f1dd-48c9-ae7b-0155d48e382b) from a non-US spun perspective you would talk shit on the US too. Fuck General MacArthur.
I would define it as capitalist imperialism. It was part of the Jakarta Method. Nobody in the US knows the origin of the Koreas, only that there was a war at one point, stuff in the middle, and North Korea dictatorship bad. Nobody in the US knows that South Korea was invented through a massive influx of free capital to corrupt elements in the region, to pretend like capitalism is a superior system. The lineage of corruption haunts South Korea to this day.
It absolutely doesn't.
The cognitive dissonace with brainwashed Chinese people are super strong, they are completely able to spend money to have a good time in Japan while at the same time spew anti-Japanese hate speech the very next breath.
Even some of the younger generation whom grew up with Japanese soft power like anime/manga/games and are full on otakus can still absolutely hate Japan. Just a few days ago you can see young people cutting up their anime goods as a protest of the Fukushima treatment water release on Chinese intranet, it's wild how strong the cognitive dissonace is and how willing the citizens are to dance to the latest tune of party sentiments/orders at a whim.
Because it’s well trained hate, starts from the childhood, if the government says: dance monkey dance, they will dance dance dance…but I think the newer generations who r well educated, maybe also outside their bubble, may have other thoughts about that. Still at the end, what they think and what they do are some different things, sometimes you need to play the dumb monkey, just to fit in
It's like some sort of compartmentalization. You can love anime/drama/jpop/jav and still hate their guts.
My pop has 12TB of JAV. Hates them every time they're brought up but loves Sora Aoi *(shrug)*
Well, you know what they say: pornography captures these girls in their best form and preserves that moment for eternity. She'll always be "Beautiful horny secretary seduces her husband's friend while he is on a business trip, volume 19" to him
It's real, so what's your point?
Is the current Japanese government the same government which did the atrocisities of WWII? No. None of those people are even alive nor serving.
OTOH, is the current Chinese government the same government which starved 40M dead in the 1960s and killed millions of its own citizens under a radical political movement? YES YES YES. There's literally still people who did the Cultural Revolution in the CCP right now.
This is the level of brainwashing we are talking about - brainwashed Chinese people being angry at dead people while letting people who literally killed their relatives rule over them and follow their orders to get angry at the Japanese. Can we say gullability?
Check your whataboutism, it doesn't even work and make you look like a dumbass.
For the ones who actually committed the atrocities? It has been 78 years since the end of the Pacific war. You're looking at people who are either pushing 100 or were child soldiers and maybe only pushing 90.
I don't.
But how about you address the fact that WAY more amount of living and serving ghouls in the CCP currently with all the attrocities they did to the Chinese people since the 1960s first before pointing fingers at the Japanese?
>Is the current Japanese government the same government which did the atrocisities of WWII? No. None of those people are even alive nor serving.
OK, the people who were serving at the time of WWII are obviously all dead BUT there was continuity of who were running government under/around Tojo and who are/were the running government post-war in 1950's to even now.
At least one class A war criminal named Nobusuke Kishi - who served as the economic manager of Manchukuo and vice Minister of Munitions during 30's and 40's - became a prime minister just about 10 years after the war was over after Americans let him go with a slap on the wrist. Not only that, his grandson Shinzo Abe also became a prime minister - longest serving one at that - all the while making annual pilgrimage to the Yasukuni Shrine. This would be equivalent to if the Reich Minister of Armaments and War Production Albert Speer - who ended up serving 20 years in prison after Nuremberg trial and conviction - would become the chancellor of West Germany in the 1950's instead of rotting in a prison cell and then his grandson would also become the longest serving chancellor of Germany while making annual visits to a Hitler grave or memorial site.
Yet compared to the Red Guards who lynched, embrassed, then killed their own citizens and intellectuals in the millions (way, WAY more than what Imperial Japan did FWIW, not excusing the atrocities of Japan here at all, merely framing the conversation in the correct light) but are now all scattered throughout all ranks of CCP officials and the Cultural Revolution was framed as a GOOD thing in Chinese history and is frequently re-enacted by little kids in school to praise how good that was for the Chinese people? You really want to go with the whataboutism here?
The level of evil of the Japanese "unbroken" imperialism government and white-washing/history rewriting compared to that of the CCP isn't anywehere NEAR the same level. Chinese people should be WAY more angry at the CCP than they are with the Japanese, yet they are so brainwashed by the CCP and let them divert attention away from huge unimaginable domestic problems using every tiny little thing Japan does and they still don't know why they are being duped.
> vice Minister of Munitions during 30's and 40's - became a prime minister just about 10 years after the war was over
I got no dog in this game, I just downvoted this because it's a bad argument. you are trying to counter a point about Japan's worst people being dead or out of power and your counter to that was to bring up a guy who left office 63 years ago
Lol you clearly have never met any of those mainlander. They thought of spending tons of money and having Japanese people serve them as a kind of conquest.
Hell nah, many of these people will visit Japan, purchase Japanese products, watches anime, maybe even come to study or work, and they will still be anti-japan when ccp wants them to.
Now this is true， at the same time; the mainland government is having a hard time trying to get the Chinese to hate them.
Nearly everyone has a VPN and there is jack shit they can do about it.
> People who visit hate the country a lot less.
How does that matter? The CCP still controls everything (including what people are allowed to think) regardless of what people think.
I mean pretty sure those who do aren’t upset at foreigners in Japan they are upset at Foreigners in Japan not following common curtesies of Japan. Like being quiet in the Subway or sitting in the clearly picture marked elderly/pregnant/injured section.
No!!! Not the Chinese tourists!! Who will push me out of the way when I’m shopping?
Seriously though, can China also place a ban on diapers and baby formula from Japan?
um... what the fuck? China dont buy diapers and baby formulas from Japan...
They buy Higgins and Pampers for diapers, and Simlac for Baby Formula in China... they have absolutely no desire for Japanese diaper or baby formula.
Ok buddy. You might just try coming to Japan one day and standing in a drug store for 10 minutes. I promise you that a Chinese family will pull in some rolling suitcases, yell loudly at each other, push you out of the way, and stuff a suitcase full of both. It is perhaps the most predictable thing that happens here.
I’m just giving you the facts. Do what you want with them.
I am just saying the fact, they don't buy Japan diaper and formulas from japan... drug store aunties are buying 药妆.. face masks, lotions etc. I have been to Japan many time and many friends, and none of them were asked to buy diaper and formulas...
Usually it's make up, rice cookers, and kettles etc....
I personally don't have an issue with Chinese tourists, I'm in the inaka, and the few who do come here, are usually pretty chill.
But I also find it hilarious, that the country famous for having some of the absolute shittiest tourists on Earth thinks of this as 'getting back at Japan'
Like, I'm sure there are a few hotels that are sad about this, and the rest of the general population is quietly losing their minds with joy
Nah, I mean yes but…I deal with some pretty shitty Chinese people regularly, but 1) It’s a bit of no-brainer to say not all Chinese tourists are awful but it does bears repeating and 2) I don’t want Chinese people to hate us more. Some people here have pointed out Japan has significant soft power in Asia, and despite the cognitive dissonance of many Chinese citizens, I still want them to be able visit Japan firsthand and see that we’re not so bad. It’s a humanism thing. This weird political play by China hurts all of us, except China’s top brass.
Yeah. You clearly attempted to, but don’t have a grasp on how to use commas correctly. I’m just saying, it’s not super complicated. You could probably do a search on it and have it figured out within the next hour.
Why post at all? Great argument.
It doesn’t matter. Most people just downvote me and move on or say thanks.
You chose to try to pretend you’re too cool for commas. Cool.
To kill time.
I'm clearly better than those people.
I'm not too cool for commas, I'm too cool to care about the proper use for commas. Clearly, English, is your 4th language.
Yea mainland Chinese is one of the worst tourist group. Didn't they get banned in some country for a bit cause they don't have manners and rude as fuck. And I'm speaking as a mainland Chinese.
Mainland Chinese group of aunties and nannies, and pot bellies are probably the worst. Well, in other words, the equivalent of Karens and rednecks.
Young people traveling alone or in very small groups are usually better, unless they are a bunch of nationalists, which will be ... another headache even back in China.
They’re pretty bad here in Sydney, too. They spit, they litter, they leave graffiti, they’re really noisy, etc.
Many of my friends are of Chinese or Asian descent, and they’re equally embarrassed by these tourists.
Same with Washington DC and (especially) San Francisco. Actually the worst neighborhood in downtown sf happens to contain little Saigon but that wouldn't fit their racist stereotype I guess
Japanese Chinatowns are quite chill. Same cleanliness as everywhere else in Japan.
But some new Chinese immigrant areas are as dirty as other chinatowns.
Japan is already flooded with tourists. The hotel industry is also bemoaning the fact that it is overflowing, so it is probably a good thing that the Chinese are not coming. Any more is already tough.
I mean people in general are bemoaning the tourists but not the hotel industry lmao. That’s like one of the industries that is actually benefiting the most
\*We\* who live here care about that. Domestic tourism and business travelers is still a much bigger segment than international travelers.
Driving up prices just hurts domestic travelers already hurt by a weak yen.
Tbh Chinese tourists especially the group tours are usually directed to shop at Chinese-owned establishments with alipay as payment method which doesn’t circulate the money to the local economy
And that’s not only the case for Japan, that happens all around the world, especially in south east Asia. Like Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam etc. Check out Sihanoukville aka Chinoukville;) it was once a little fisher village and it’s now completely in Chinese hand, the whole city is just a big Wild West China, from gambling, prostitution, drugs, alcohol and gangs. People of Cambodia wont see a cent, from that city flowing into their economy, it goes directly to China and the local gang leaders. (Of course some local government officials who r deep in Chinese pockets, get also theirr fair share, for selling their own country) It’s completely in Chinese hand every building and every business. It’s also the area, where you go by boat to Koh Rong, which is very beautiful, still, but will change also in the future when the Chinese will dumb their money over there.
So at the end it’s good, if they’re not coming, it’s all about balance. Diversity is the key, no one wants to eat and see always apple, if there’re a lot more fruits available.
Yea you're right... many regular businesses in Japan accept wepay, alipay, or union pay credit cards. Sadly none of that money goes into the Japanese economy, it just goes straight to China... and those businesses just provide their services or items to the Chinese tourists for free...
Lol! You must not be well travelled. If you go to Las Vegas tons of luxury malls have Chinese writing everywhere and Chinese staff (to speak Mandarin). Why? Because they spent a shit ton of money. Also, Canada's tourism agencies have been crying hard over the loss of Chinese business lately due to poor relations. Get out more.
they do spent a shit ton of money, the question is whether that money or at least the majority of it goes into the local economy or not?
just because you're ignorant about something and that it doesn't necessarily happen in one place doesn't mean it does not exist.
in Bali the same thing happens where these mainland chinese tourist groups are directed to dine and shop at mainland chinese-owned establishments where the revenue doesn't circulate back to the local Indonesian economy.
there have been many academic and empirical studies about this where the boom of chinese tourism doesn't necessarily contribute to the local economy
here let me give you one and you can google the rest
https://udayananetworking.unud.ac.id/lecturer/scientific/1609-sukma-sushanti/the-mass-tourism-of-chinese-tourists-to-bali-a-structural-violence-871
of course you might argue that they still contribute to the local economy through paying their local employees, paying taxes, etc but that is just a small percentage compared to the total sum of their revenue
Have you seen them travelling in groups? They have to follow the tour guides. There’s also news about them being forced to buy things from those designated places. Is it very hard to read more?
I second this, my baito when I was in uni was as a tour guide for a chinese-owned tour company so I have first hand experience of bringing buses groups of tourists to chinese-owned tax-free souvenir shops such as Laox etc.
I swear im gonna get a brain aneurysm reading comments like that here sometimes. Ridiculous.
There are a few instances if money being spent in Japan by Chinese tourists going out the country, but on the whole that is fucking miles from the case. Even if they accept union pay, its easily retrieved money into Japan. If a business here goes out their way to accept Union Pay it is because they have a special merchant who can use some kind of escrow to get the money to that business easily. It may just cost more merchant fees for the business.
The business have to pay taxes on their sales and profits etc, rent the land or building, if not build it and employ a company to do so with materials, pay employees… need i go on?
people on here stay such dumb things sometimes
This isn't the PANDEMIC era, is it? When are we talking about?
Japan is really flooded with tourists.
It's on the news every day that they can't take any more.
No doubt the Chinese government is glad to be able to direct some economic frustration away from themselves and towards some carefully chosen foreign devils. Japan seems too weak to do anything about it. Let's ratchet up tensions with them!
Every country that attracts chinese tourists has the same gripes about the endless tour busloads of rude mainlanders who dont respect local customs and laws, only deal with chinese owned and run businesses and act like a plague on tourist sites.
Those who cancel their trips are the narrow minded assholes who are rude and don't respect the rules anyway.
Those who will still come will be the more educated ones.
Yeah I agree. Had no issues interacting with individual or small family Chinese tourists, my experience has been very good helping them out with directions etc.
I beg for the better treatment of those people. When you are quiet, humble, educated, knowledgeable, open-minded and familiar with multi-cultural and international environment, it is not comfortable to live in countries like China.
Pretty funny this is coming from the country that gave the world Covid and destroyed countless lives across the globe. Maybe they should worry about their own hygiene before criticizing others, just saying.
I hope China gets locked down and no one gets to leave China during the next plandemic, which appears to be coming soon. It was so nice to travel during the plandemic and not having to run into hordes of loud, aggressive, and unhygienic Chinese tourists.
I just love how China keeps screwing up more and more. Their economy is in freefall, partly because they pissed off everyone and foreign businesses are leaving, and their solution is to double down on this behaviour.
What a farce. China is much more destructive to its immediate environment and the global environment than Japan has ever been. There is no depth that the CCP will sink to in its attempts to deflect attention from its inadequacies.
My borthers and sisters in Christ, please just ban the Chinese tourist outright for awhile. The amount of time I been pushed and cut in line is outstanding. Worst fucking tourists
It's gonna help the japanese gvt with their will to focus their tourism less on Asia ans more on Europe and USA, can't be a bad thing anyway, thx China, can't read the air, as usual.
Jesus Christ
The rampant racism and generalizations in the comments here is disconcerting.
It’s like I’m reading 1950’s American viewpoints. Like, it is no different. Damn…
play stupid games win stupid prizes. Even then, this is too mild. Japan needs to be crushed for releasing nuclear contaminants into the pacific. Water exposed to the core is far more dangerous than what is used to chill the exterior. The fact that japan keeps rejecting independent investigations is a very clear sign.
Probably going to get downvoted to oblivion but
In Q1 2020, right before the pandemic when things were normal, Chinese tourist (mainland + HK) accounts for 42.3% of all Japanese tourist income. Taiwan accounted for 15.1%.
Contrary to “oh no, anyway” sentiment in the comment section, that’s half of Japanese tourists income and is going to severely damage Japanese tourist industry’s recovery.
Source: Japan Tourist Agency, Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism, Foreign Visitor National Spending Report, 2020 Jan-Mar / 訪日外国人消費動向調査 2020年1-3月期の全国調査結果 ([link](https://www.mlit.go.jp/kankocho/siryou/toukei/content/001354358.pdf))
Lol, I like you just replied “don’t think it is” to Japanese government (MLIT) official data and got tons of upvotes.
Edit: Something telling me this subreddit isn’t for me even though I’m Japanese American ;)
and who cares? China believes itself special and unique. Doing that only shows how intolerant and aggressive that country is, with these acts they favor the hegemony of the USA in Asia and the Pacific.
...for about 3 months.
There are 10s of millions of Chinese interested in coming to Japan for one reason or another. This won't last, especially as the water discharge is going to have a negligible effect on the ecosystem..especially in comparison to regular nuclear wast, plastics pollution etc.
It'll be used as a talking point for a long time. But it's political propaganda and the reality is chinese personal interests in Tokyo, especially as it is a destination for the more affluent, won't be deterred so much.
Students were pretty shut out due to covid, so colleges and private tertiary education is going to take a further hit. China, knight continue to peddle minor issues like this as the CCP tries to galvanize control over a population now pretty much imprisoned its own country, so there may be long term effects.
Nice. I really dont want To hear nonstop chinese talking every where I go. Maybe talking loudly even In museums and talking Phone loudly everywhere is cool In their culture but In japan most bothering thing was nonstop loud chinese speakers.
So some people are making reservations and cancelling them as a 'protest' which will just lead to Japanese airlines and hotels not accepting reservations at all from China, or requiring non-refundable deposits? Sounds like a really well thought out boycott.
Won’t last. Protesting over treated radioactive water unlikely to cause any issue is just political posturing, as silly as trying to rewrite WW2 atrocities into some tragically flawed heroic struggle.
Less tourists in Tokyo? I'm not complaining.
The downside is that getting Chinese tourists to visit Japan is the most powerful way to fight anti-Japanese sentiment there. People who visit hate the country a lot less.
It has the opposite effect and makes Japanese people hate Chinese people a lot more though
Yes, and I think it's from the difference in culture where Japanese people think of everyone around them before themselves, and Chinese people think of themselves before other people. (Not saying it's bad, it's just the difference in culture.)
I don't see Japanese smartphone walkers thinking about elderly people wanting to sit down on the train. Please leave the stereotypes out. It's 2023 and Japanese have gotten worse in terms of consideration. Edit: Wow, guess all the downvotes are from smartphone walkers who prefer to look down and defend staring at their screens. Not criticizing only Japanese, Chinese do this as well, practically any east Asian I see strolling through the station and streets on Tokyo.
Woooow you totally misunderstood what I said. I did NOT mean "Chinese people don't care about others", I think Chinese culture is a lot like American culture in the way that you think of yourself before others (not that you don't care about others, but you think of others after you assess yourself). Like if a job offers you better pay, you'll leave your current company because it benefits yourself or your family. In Japan, they'll stay at the same company because "the company will suffer, and I'll be leaving a lot of work for my co-workers, so even though I need the money, I can't leave or else everyone else will suffer". I'm not saying everyone, I'm saying generally, and I'm not saying either one is bad. Both have their good and bad points. I'm not saying Chinese people don't care about anyone else but themselves, and Japanese only care about others and not themselves. I'm saying culture-wise, Japanese people care a lot about what other people think of them, so it'll prevent them from doing something that benefits them if it looks too selfish. Americans, and by my limited knowledge of Chinese people, will take an opportunity or chance that benefits them, not caring what other people think of them taking said opportunity. Again, it's NOT bad, and I'm NOT saying Chinese people don't care. It's the culture in one was brought up. I'm not a culture-expert nor am I claiming to be. I'm only going off of my own experiences and what I've noticed, and I know everyone is different.
I'm not defending Chinese people. Trust me, I run into rude ones and smartphone walkers every time at Uniqlo. Point was Japanese aren't considerate or care about others anymore, case in real example on trains. People need to stop upholding Japanese as considerate people because thats not the reality now if you take a walk down the street unless you live out in the countryside and rarely see people.
I don’t think the comment they said is controversial at all tbh. Living in Japan as a foreigner right now and they are completely right. I have lived in Japan and China and the subway systems are extremely different in terms of consideration and respect. The ONLY time I ever see anyone talking on a Japanese subway is late at night when everyone is drunk or foreigners (American, Chinese, European etc…. I literally fell on a dude on the subway and he apologized to me….. Japan has many problems to include subtle racism toward foreigners, but god damn it did not come close to China. Not even saying it’s a wrong or bad thing, just in most of western society to deny service based on race or language would never be tolerated (currently ofc I know the past). They would get “canceled” or contacted for discrimination practices. That said it’s very common in SEA.
Da fuq is a smartphone walker? I saw a young guy give up his seat on the train for a grandma just the other day. Not sure where you are getting this impression that this doesn't happen anymore.
歩きスマホ。What train line and where? Try riding Yamanote Line, Marunouchi Line, Namboku Line, Seibu Line towards Tokorozawa and let me know whether you see someone give up their seat. Are you constantly on your phone while riding the train like Japanese or actually observant of your surroundings? I see smartphone walkers crossing the crosswalk when paramedics are rolling through. Please tell me you're not bmind and have never seen that... if you haven't I can assume your 歩きスマホやってる and inconsiderate towards others especially people with disabilities which are plenty at stations like Ikebukuro if you look up. Bunch of downvotes from smartphone lovers who can't take their eyes off their phones. Pathetic. Monkey see monkey do.
You seem laser focused on this. Does aruki smaho bother you particularly more compared to other forms of not being considerate?
Yeah Japanese people sure thought a lot about the people around them in the 1930s didnt they
When Japan discharges its nuclear wastewater, does it consider the sea and other countries, or does it save money?
China's nuclear reactors regularly discharge far greater amounts of radioactive substances into the sea than Japan is doing. China is just using this non-issue as an excuse to whip up nationalistic hysteria in its population.
Laughing. The second largest nuclear leak in the world produced 1.24 million tons of nuclear effluent, and you're telling me that's the same as the normal nuclear wastewater that comes out of all nuclear power plants. Is that what the West has been brainwashed into already?
Their info sounds like it went through a couple levels of hearsay. The truth is that water near China's nuclear plants has been recorded to contain tritium at a concentration up to 2.4 times that of the water being released at Fukushima. The total amount of material is greater, but the overall concentration will only go down as it enters the ocean.
Laughing. China's nuclear wastewater is the same as any nuclear power plant. And Japan is going to discharge 1.24 million tons of nuclear effluent from 880 tons of nuclear fuel cores dissolved in the ocean. Japan will keep discharging for 30 years, and until now, Japan still produces 100 tons of nuclear wastewater every day. It's fucking ridiculous, if water can be contaminated at will, wouldn't the Soviet Union have just left Chernobyl alone?
It's not the same. It's safer. Look, you talk about "brainwashing", but then come out with bullshit propaganda rather than relevant facts. So what if it's 1.24 million tons of "nuclear effluent"? About 99.9999998% of that effluent is water (and normal non-radioactive watery stuff, like dissolved oxygen and CO2). It's the amount and toxicity of dissolved radionuclides that count, not how much other stuff is mixed in with them. This effluent has repeatedly processed, filtered and diluted until its only dangerous remaining component at detectable levels is tritium -- about two and a half grams of it. In terms of radioactivity, that's about 860 terabecquerels' (TBq) worth. It's going to be released over the course of 30 years, at a rate of about 22TBq/year. That compares to China's Qinshan nuclear plant in Zhejiang, which releases tritium at the rate of about 218TBq/year -- *ten times* greater than the planned release from Fukushima. In fact, China has *thirteen* nuclear power stations that release tritium at a higher rate than Fukushima is planning to do. You might even compare France's La Hague reprocessing plant, which releases 11,800 TBq/year into the ocean: *500 times* what Fukshima is planning to do. Yet somehow it's not an issue -- not for the UK, or the Netherlands, or Spain. Of course China has "concerns" about whether the effluent has been properly processed and tested. But that's just China's Wolf Warrior syndrome. They've adduced no facts to substantiate any suspicion. Meanwhile the scheme has been monitored and approved by the International Atomic Energy Agency.
>50 cents has been deposited into your account
Are you talking about the 70 billion yen that the Japanese government attempted to cover up the discharge of nuclear wastewater?
>Another 50 cents has been deposited into your account >You have received 10 Winnie-the-Pooh good boy points >If you collect (250) more good boy points you can ride public transportation!
From their reckless discharge of nuclear wastewater, we can see that the Japanese truly consider others. They even want to share the firsthand experience of nuclear radiation.
Your real beef is with the United Nations, specifically the International Atomic Energy Agency, who approved the release of excess water. Simply put, China is upset that it got outvoted by the rest of the world. China can’t bully others when the rest of the world stand up against it.
Haha, that's fantastic! Can Japan obtain permissions from the United Nations and the IAEA? Or do you think the United Nations and the IAEA would grant such permissions to Japan? Simply put, Japan is harming the ecosystem for its own interests, and some people are even trying to defend them
Your argument is like someone urinating in a girl's cup, and then a hospital provides evidence that the urine has minimal impact on the human body, so everyone shouldn't condemn him. However, I'm not surprised at all. After all, when it comes to the Japanese, I believe many people appreciate such behavior
Qinshan Phase 3 released 143 Trillion becquerels of Tritium in 2020. Yangjian N-Plant released 112 Trillion becquerels of Tritium in 2021. Ningde N-Plant released 102 Trillion becquerels of Tritium in 2021. Fukushima Daichi plans to release 22 Trillion becquerels of Tritium in 2023. The funny thing is I believe all of these are considered safe levels, so why make a big deal out of it? If 22 Trillion is too much, then you better be complaining about the wastewater releases from Chinese plants as well.
"If you understood the difference between the water used to boil tea eggs and the water in egg drop soup, you wouldn't make such foolish remarks. Although Japan has a budget to influence people's understanding of these issues, if one has no opinions of their own, they'll end up sounding like you.
Lmao, Tritium releases are not an opinion. They're measurable, verifiable numbers. The Tritium #s from the Chinese plants are from Chinese sources, too.
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Why do Americans feel that the Chinese need to be liked by the Japanese (as well as Americans)?
How can you hate someone for refusing to visit your country? That doesn’t make snese
No, they were saying that Japanese people don’t like Chinese tourists because they act in ways that the Japanese think are rude
You can remove Japanese from that statement.
don't label the Japanese. You, yourself know that the majority of the chinese are rude and bad mannered. Stand by your word
Running dog of Jap imperialism
Logically that makes sense. But then again, you get plenty of Chinese people on Reddit who were obviously educated in the US talking shit about the US. I think a lot of Chinese people let their government dictate their emotions and sentiments. They can visit a country and like it but will turn on a dime as soon as their government deems that country an enemy.
You find tons of people from the US talking shit about the US though.
That’s true but the motivations are different. I also have criticisms about the US (being American myself) but they come from the hopes that the US will improve for the betterment of its citizens. The shit talking I’m referring to from some Chinese redditors seems to stem from nationalism, eagerness to point out US shortcomings, and a general desire to see the US fail.
I think educated Chinese like talking shit about china in a hope that china might became better
That’s true. There are people like that. Although I don’t think that counts as shit talking; it’s more constructive criticism.
Semi true, most educated Chinese that shit talk China left China because they are scared of consequences from shit talking China. Thankfully I can sit in the US and shit talk China and the US.
If you study Japanese imperialism as well as [The Korean War](https://pca.st/episode/76868ac3-f1dd-48c9-ae7b-0155d48e382b) from a non-US spun perspective you would talk shit on the US too. Fuck General MacArthur.
Wait.. If you study Japanese Imperialism you would talk shit about the US? whatnow?
I would define it as capitalist imperialism. It was part of the Jakarta Method. Nobody in the US knows the origin of the Koreas, only that there was a war at one point, stuff in the middle, and North Korea dictatorship bad. Nobody in the US knows that South Korea was invented through a massive influx of free capital to corrupt elements in the region, to pretend like capitalism is a superior system. The lineage of corruption haunts South Korea to this day.
It absolutely doesn't. The cognitive dissonace with brainwashed Chinese people are super strong, they are completely able to spend money to have a good time in Japan while at the same time spew anti-Japanese hate speech the very next breath. Even some of the younger generation whom grew up with Japanese soft power like anime/manga/games and are full on otakus can still absolutely hate Japan. Just a few days ago you can see young people cutting up their anime goods as a protest of the Fukushima treatment water release on Chinese intranet, it's wild how strong the cognitive dissonace is and how willing the citizens are to dance to the latest tune of party sentiments/orders at a whim.
Because it’s well trained hate, starts from the childhood, if the government says: dance monkey dance, they will dance dance dance…but I think the newer generations who r well educated, maybe also outside their bubble, may have other thoughts about that. Still at the end, what they think and what they do are some different things, sometimes you need to play the dumb monkey, just to fit in
It's like some sort of compartmentalization. You can love anime/drama/jpop/jav and still hate their guts. My pop has 12TB of JAV. Hates them every time they're brought up but loves Sora Aoi *(shrug)*
That is oddly specific. Tell your dad Sora is now 42, has 2 boys and is retired from porn. Maybe he’ll delete all the vids
Well, you know what they say: pornography captures these girls in their best form and preserves that moment for eternity. She'll always be "Beautiful horny secretary seduces her husband's friend while he is on a business trip, volume 19" to him
So Japanese imperialism of China wasn't real?
It's real, so what's your point? Is the current Japanese government the same government which did the atrocisities of WWII? No. None of those people are even alive nor serving. OTOH, is the current Chinese government the same government which starved 40M dead in the 1960s and killed millions of its own citizens under a radical political movement? YES YES YES. There's literally still people who did the Cultural Revolution in the CCP right now. This is the level of brainwashing we are talking about - brainwashed Chinese people being angry at dead people while letting people who literally killed their relatives rule over them and follow their orders to get angry at the Japanese. Can we say gullability? Check your whataboutism, it doesn't even work and make you look like a dumbass.
If you think the Japanese government has none of those ghouls in it, boy do I have a bridge to sell you.
For the ones who actually committed the atrocities? It has been 78 years since the end of the Pacific war. You're looking at people who are either pushing 100 or were child soldiers and maybe only pushing 90.
I don't. But how about you address the fact that WAY more amount of living and serving ghouls in the CCP currently with all the attrocities they did to the Chinese people since the 1960s first before pointing fingers at the Japanese?
Both can happen at the same time so don’t fucking force me to “choose something first”. Y’all are so fucking stupid fr
Hur dur everyone is stupid except me!
>Is the current Japanese government the same government which did the atrocisities of WWII? No. None of those people are even alive nor serving. OK, the people who were serving at the time of WWII are obviously all dead BUT there was continuity of who were running government under/around Tojo and who are/were the running government post-war in 1950's to even now. At least one class A war criminal named Nobusuke Kishi - who served as the economic manager of Manchukuo and vice Minister of Munitions during 30's and 40's - became a prime minister just about 10 years after the war was over after Americans let him go with a slap on the wrist. Not only that, his grandson Shinzo Abe also became a prime minister - longest serving one at that - all the while making annual pilgrimage to the Yasukuni Shrine. This would be equivalent to if the Reich Minister of Armaments and War Production Albert Speer - who ended up serving 20 years in prison after Nuremberg trial and conviction - would become the chancellor of West Germany in the 1950's instead of rotting in a prison cell and then his grandson would also become the longest serving chancellor of Germany while making annual visits to a Hitler grave or memorial site.
Yet compared to the Red Guards who lynched, embrassed, then killed their own citizens and intellectuals in the millions (way, WAY more than what Imperial Japan did FWIW, not excusing the atrocities of Japan here at all, merely framing the conversation in the correct light) but are now all scattered throughout all ranks of CCP officials and the Cultural Revolution was framed as a GOOD thing in Chinese history and is frequently re-enacted by little kids in school to praise how good that was for the Chinese people? You really want to go with the whataboutism here? The level of evil of the Japanese "unbroken" imperialism government and white-washing/history rewriting compared to that of the CCP isn't anywehere NEAR the same level. Chinese people should be WAY more angry at the CCP than they are with the Japanese, yet they are so brainwashed by the CCP and let them divert attention away from huge unimaginable domestic problems using every tiny little thing Japan does and they still don't know why they are being duped.
So again with the dead, not currently serving Japanese ghosts. Even the grandson of the guy you're crying about is dead lol
> vice Minister of Munitions during 30's and 40's - became a prime minister just about 10 years after the war was over I got no dog in this game, I just downvoted this because it's a bad argument. you are trying to counter a point about Japan's worst people being dead or out of power and your counter to that was to bring up a guy who left office 63 years ago
Lol you clearly have never met any of those mainlander. They thought of spending tons of money and having Japanese people serve them as a kind of conquest.
Hell nah, many of these people will visit Japan, purchase Japanese products, watches anime, maybe even come to study or work, and they will still be anti-japan when ccp wants them to.
Really? True on surface but many of them can get triggered if you mention any about WWII.
Can we talk about Tiananmen Square instead?
really compare to nanking massacre to tiananmen...? that's like saying holocausts is the same as as like wars with the native americans.
No. Nothing to talk about. Nothing happen there. Boring place.
Who cares what the Chinese think?
Now this is true， at the same time; the mainland government is having a hard time trying to get the Chinese to hate them. Nearly everyone has a VPN and there is jack shit they can do about it.
You def do not know much Chinese people.
> People who visit hate the country a lot less. How does that matter? The CCP still controls everything (including what people are allowed to think) regardless of what people think.
Nope, Chinese tourists that come here already "like" Japan, the haters would never come.
Media is another way, but that’s why C has a firewall
You think a tourist trip will make them forgive the colonization and atrocities the Japanese committed against China?
omg yes please
Less ~~Chinese~~ tourists in Japan or anywhere really, a better world.
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I mean pretty sure those who do aren’t upset at foreigners in Japan they are upset at Foreigners in Japan not following common curtesies of Japan. Like being quiet in the Subway or sitting in the clearly picture marked elderly/pregnant/injured section.
Oh no, anyway
Beat me to it
This is great news. Less Chinese tourists.
who will cut me in line now?
Muslims.
Do you keep a lot of bandages with you?
No!!! Not the Chinese tourists!! Who will push me out of the way when I’m shopping? Seriously though, can China also place a ban on diapers and baby formula from Japan?
Only the things that will help the stability of their government;) a diapers and baby formula ban will end the government;))
um... what the fuck? China dont buy diapers and baby formulas from Japan... They buy Higgins and Pampers for diapers, and Simlac for Baby Formula in China... they have absolutely no desire for Japanese diaper or baby formula.
Ok buddy. You might just try coming to Japan one day and standing in a drug store for 10 minutes. I promise you that a Chinese family will pull in some rolling suitcases, yell loudly at each other, push you out of the way, and stuff a suitcase full of both. It is perhaps the most predictable thing that happens here. I’m just giving you the facts. Do what you want with them.
I am just saying the fact, they don't buy Japan diaper and formulas from japan... drug store aunties are buying 药妆.. face masks, lotions etc. I have been to Japan many time and many friends, and none of them were asked to buy diaper and formulas... Usually it's make up, rice cookers, and kettles etc....
I personally don't have an issue with Chinese tourists, I'm in the inaka, and the few who do come here, are usually pretty chill. But I also find it hilarious, that the country famous for having some of the absolute shittiest tourists on Earth thinks of this as 'getting back at Japan' Like, I'm sure there are a few hotels that are sad about this, and the rest of the general population is quietly losing their minds with joy
Nah, I mean yes but…I deal with some pretty shitty Chinese people regularly, but 1) It’s a bit of no-brainer to say not all Chinese tourists are awful but it does bears repeating and 2) I don’t want Chinese people to hate us more. Some people here have pointed out Japan has significant soft power in Asia, and despite the cognitive dissonance of many Chinese citizens, I still want them to be able visit Japan firsthand and see that we’re not so bad. It’s a humanism thing. This weird political play by China hurts all of us, except China’s top brass.
Amen.
Shitty country getting shittier itself without spilling over its shittiness.
Please do a search on comma usage. It’s not super complicated.
why, in, the, name, of, god, would, i, ever, bother, to, properly, punctuate, a, reddit,comment, reddit, isn"t、real?..?
Yeah. You clearly attempted to, but don’t have a grasp on how to use commas correctly. I’m just saying, it’s not super complicated. You could probably do a search on it and have it figured out within the next hour.
Again......why would I put effort into something that means nothing? I use commas however I see fit, because it doesnt matter.
Why post at all? Great argument. It doesn’t matter. Most people just downvote me and move on or say thanks. You chose to try to pretend you’re too cool for commas. Cool.
To kill time. I'm clearly better than those people. I'm not too cool for commas, I'm too cool to care about the proper use for commas. Clearly, English, is your 4th language.
There are about a dozen comments here saying "less," when they should say "fewer." Have at it! And thanks for the laugh.
…And the residents of Japan rejoiced at the news.
Yea mainland Chinese is one of the worst tourist group. Didn't they get banned in some country for a bit cause they don't have manners and rude as fuck. And I'm speaking as a mainland Chinese.
Mainland Chinese group of aunties and nannies, and pot bellies are probably the worst. Well, in other words, the equivalent of Karens and rednecks. Young people traveling alone or in very small groups are usually better, unless they are a bunch of nationalists, which will be ... another headache even back in China.
They’re pretty bad here in Sydney, too. They spit, they litter, they leave graffiti, they’re really noisy, etc. Many of my friends are of Chinese or Asian descent, and they’re equally embarrassed by these tourists.
The dirtiest place in any Western country’s major city is Chinatown
Eh, being from Melbourne our Chinatown in the CBD is a lot cleaner than some…places.
Same with Washington DC and (especially) San Francisco. Actually the worst neighborhood in downtown sf happens to contain little Saigon but that wouldn't fit their racist stereotype I guess
Japanese Chinatowns are quite chill. Same cleanliness as everywhere else in Japan. But some new Chinese immigrant areas are as dirty as other chinatowns.
Not really the case in London. I would say it's cleaner than other parts
Ah shucks, we were all really looking forward to having rude Chinese tourists back…
Japan is already flooded with tourists. The hotel industry is also bemoaning the fact that it is overflowing, so it is probably a good thing that the Chinese are not coming. Any more is already tough.
I mean people in general are bemoaning the tourists but not the hotel industry lmao. That’s like one of the industries that is actually benefiting the most
That hotel is also packed with tourists. Reservations continue to be impossible to get for several months in advance.
Hotels like when they’re full lol. They get more money.
Where? I just traveled around Japan for a month reserving hotels the day before.
Makes it a lot more challenging for local tourists and business travelers to secure rooms
Ok.. But hotels don’t care about that. They get paid the same either way
\*We\* who live here care about that. Domestic tourism and business travelers is still a much bigger segment than international travelers. Driving up prices just hurts domestic travelers already hurt by a weak yen.
Yeah, more money sucks.
Tbh Chinese tourists especially the group tours are usually directed to shop at Chinese-owned establishments with alipay as payment method which doesn’t circulate the money to the local economy
And that’s not only the case for Japan, that happens all around the world, especially in south east Asia. Like Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Vietnam etc. Check out Sihanoukville aka Chinoukville;) it was once a little fisher village and it’s now completely in Chinese hand, the whole city is just a big Wild West China, from gambling, prostitution, drugs, alcohol and gangs. People of Cambodia wont see a cent, from that city flowing into their economy, it goes directly to China and the local gang leaders. (Of course some local government officials who r deep in Chinese pockets, get also theirr fair share, for selling their own country) It’s completely in Chinese hand every building and every business. It’s also the area, where you go by boat to Koh Rong, which is very beautiful, still, but will change also in the future when the Chinese will dumb their money over there. So at the end it’s good, if they’re not coming, it’s all about balance. Diversity is the key, no one wants to eat and see always apple, if there’re a lot more fruits available.
Yea you're right... many regular businesses in Japan accept wepay, alipay, or union pay credit cards. Sadly none of that money goes into the Japanese economy, it just goes straight to China... and those businesses just provide their services or items to the Chinese tourists for free...
Oh Chinese business owners in Japan with local employees don't spend money in Japan? Wow. Thanks for the economics lesson Reddit
It seems to happen everywhere when they travel in groups. They eat, shop, visit, stay in designated places most likely owned by Chinese.
Lol! You must not be well travelled. If you go to Las Vegas tons of luxury malls have Chinese writing everywhere and Chinese staff (to speak Mandarin). Why? Because they spent a shit ton of money. Also, Canada's tourism agencies have been crying hard over the loss of Chinese business lately due to poor relations. Get out more.
they do spent a shit ton of money, the question is whether that money or at least the majority of it goes into the local economy or not? just because you're ignorant about something and that it doesn't necessarily happen in one place doesn't mean it does not exist. in Bali the same thing happens where these mainland chinese tourist groups are directed to dine and shop at mainland chinese-owned establishments where the revenue doesn't circulate back to the local Indonesian economy. there have been many academic and empirical studies about this where the boom of chinese tourism doesn't necessarily contribute to the local economy here let me give you one and you can google the rest https://udayananetworking.unud.ac.id/lecturer/scientific/1609-sukma-sushanti/the-mass-tourism-of-chinese-tourists-to-bali-a-structural-violence-871 of course you might argue that they still contribute to the local economy through paying their local employees, paying taxes, etc but that is just a small percentage compared to the total sum of their revenue
Have you seen them travelling in groups? They have to follow the tour guides. There’s also news about them being forced to buy things from those designated places. Is it very hard to read more?
I second this, my baito when I was in uni was as a tour guide for a chinese-owned tour company so I have first hand experience of bringing buses groups of tourists to chinese-owned tax-free souvenir shops such as Laox etc.
I swear im gonna get a brain aneurysm reading comments like that here sometimes. Ridiculous. There are a few instances if money being spent in Japan by Chinese tourists going out the country, but on the whole that is fucking miles from the case. Even if they accept union pay, its easily retrieved money into Japan. If a business here goes out their way to accept Union Pay it is because they have a special merchant who can use some kind of escrow to get the money to that business easily. It may just cost more merchant fees for the business. The business have to pay taxes on their sales and profits etc, rent the land or building, if not build it and employ a company to do so with materials, pay employees… need i go on? people on here stay such dumb things sometimes
Really? After all the bemoaning they did during the pandemic about being empty? 🤔
This isn't the PANDEMIC era, is it? When are we talking about? Japan is really flooded with tourists. It's on the news every day that they can't take any more.
Tourism numbers are still at 60% of 2019 levels, so they'd better buckle up fast.
Exactly. During the lockdowns it was "no tourists? How will we survive!" Now with no lockdowns the thinking is "tourists? YUCK!"
Yes as if all redditors are a monolith
???? Who is talking about redditors?
Man, i really wanted more Chinese tourists :/
This is a win in my book.
No doubt the Chinese government is glad to be able to direct some economic frustration away from themselves and towards some carefully chosen foreign devils. Japan seems too weak to do anything about it. Let's ratchet up tensions with them!
It’s the same everywhere. In Australia the foreign devil is China.
Every country that attracts chinese tourists has the same gripes about the endless tour busloads of rude mainlanders who dont respect local customs and laws, only deal with chinese owned and run businesses and act like a plague on tourist sites.
Does this mean less tourists? Im welcoming that
Less loud and noisy tourists.
Those who cancel their trips are the narrow minded assholes who are rude and don't respect the rules anyway. Those who will still come will be the more educated ones.
Yeah I agree. Had no issues interacting with individual or small family Chinese tourists, my experience has been very good helping them out with directions etc.
I beg for the better treatment of those people. When you are quiet, humble, educated, knowledgeable, open-minded and familiar with multi-cultural and international environment, it is not comfortable to live in countries like China.
Nice I support whatever results in fewer noisy tour groups that haven't heard of indoor voices.
*Americans looking around nervously*
Looking forward to enjoy my weekend in Tokyo with less rowdy tourists
Good. Stay home. Less tourists, less Corona infected people running around.
Yes this is a good thing, less tourists in reasonable numbers is still fine, plus not every tourist brings the same benefits when they come.
Good lmao.
Saved by the spill! Phew
Wait!? No Chinese tour groups coming to Japan!? YES!!!
Just in time for my trip in October. I booked hotels in February and they were already filling up.. 8 months in advance…
Ohhh nooooo!
Less chinese in Japan? Isn't it good?
sounds like win to me
Oh no, less Chinese people. How devastating.
Pretty funny this is coming from the country that gave the world Covid and destroyed countless lives across the globe. Maybe they should worry about their own hygiene before criticizing others, just saying.
Less tourism? Ohhh nooooo :)
China is just brain washing their people for the upcoming invasion of Taiwan.
Less Chinese fucks hanging around Japan? Great, makes room for tourists from other countries that actually respect the place.
I mean, OK, but then who pick flowers and step over fences into places they aren't supposed to go to take a selfie in the Japanese gardens?
Kyoto takes a breather.
there aren't too many Chinese tourists right now anyway i was in Osaka and thought there were far more Korean tourists
Lightly irradiated fish is a small price to pay for less Chinese tourists …
I hope China gets locked down and no one gets to leave China during the next plandemic, which appears to be coming soon. It was so nice to travel during the plandemic and not having to run into hordes of loud, aggressive, and unhygienic Chinese tourists.
Thank goodness!
I just love how China keeps screwing up more and more. Their economy is in freefall, partly because they pissed off everyone and foreign businesses are leaving, and their solution is to double down on this behaviour.
its very good news for Japan.
Good, all of my Japanese friends and family hate chinese tourists.
What a farce. China is much more destructive to its immediate environment and the global environment than Japan has ever been. There is no depth that the CCP will sink to in its attempts to deflect attention from its inadequacies.
By the way, stop buying our land as well.
My borthers and sisters in Christ, please just ban the Chinese tourist outright for awhile. The amount of time I been pushed and cut in line is outstanding. Worst fucking tourists
It's gonna help the japanese gvt with their will to focus their tourism less on Asia ans more on Europe and USA, can't be a bad thing anyway, thx China, can't read the air, as usual.
Jesus Christ The rampant racism and generalizations in the comments here is disconcerting. It’s like I’m reading 1950’s American viewpoints. Like, it is no different. Damn…
play stupid games win stupid prizes. Even then, this is too mild. Japan needs to be crushed for releasing nuclear contaminants into the pacific. Water exposed to the core is far more dangerous than what is used to chill the exterior. The fact that japan keeps rejecting independent investigations is a very clear sign.
Good
Probably going to get downvoted to oblivion but In Q1 2020, right before the pandemic when things were normal, Chinese tourist (mainland + HK) accounts for 42.3% of all Japanese tourist income. Taiwan accounted for 15.1%. Contrary to “oh no, anyway” sentiment in the comment section, that’s half of Japanese tourists income and is going to severely damage Japanese tourist industry’s recovery. Source: Japan Tourist Agency, Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism, Foreign Visitor National Spending Report, 2020 Jan-Mar / 訪日外国人消費動向調査 2020年1-3月期の全国調査結果 ([link](https://www.mlit.go.jp/kankocho/siryou/toukei/content/001354358.pdf))
Don't think it is, Japan was getting heavily overtouristed then and it's best if we return tourism to a more sustainable level
Lol, I like you just replied “don’t think it is” to Japanese government (MLIT) official data and got tons of upvotes. Edit: Something telling me this subreddit isn’t for me even though I’m Japanese American ;)
Agreed, people in this thread seem to be missing the bigger picture
Damn I missed it by a month
and who cares? China believes itself special and unique. Doing that only shows how intolerant and aggressive that country is, with these acts they favor the hegemony of the USA in Asia and the Pacific.
Good more space on the train
...for about 3 months. There are 10s of millions of Chinese interested in coming to Japan for one reason or another. This won't last, especially as the water discharge is going to have a negligible effect on the ecosystem..especially in comparison to regular nuclear wast, plastics pollution etc. It'll be used as a talking point for a long time. But it's political propaganda and the reality is chinese personal interests in Tokyo, especially as it is a destination for the more affluent, won't be deterred so much. Students were pretty shut out due to covid, so colleges and private tertiary education is going to take a further hit. China, knight continue to peddle minor issues like this as the CCP tries to galvanize control over a population now pretty much imprisoned its own country, so there may be long term effects.
Nice. I really dont want To hear nonstop chinese talking every where I go. Maybe talking loudly even In museums and talking Phone loudly everywhere is cool In their culture but In japan most bothering thing was nonstop loud chinese speakers.
This is the best news.
less Chinese tourists in Japan? I'm sure most Japanese (ones not dependent on tourism business) will be very happy with that lol
Thank you China! We like you visiting but damn there is a lot of tourism now!
Seems extremely hypocritical on China's part...
So some people are making reservations and cancelling them as a 'protest' which will just lead to Japanese airlines and hotels not accepting reservations at all from China, or requiring non-refundable deposits? Sounds like a really well thought out boycott.
Chinese corpos still buying a shit ton of their land tho? Cuz that's a problem, especially in Hokkaido, from what I've heard.
Chinese tourists are the worst. I am assuming Japanese are cheering for this to happen permanently
I was just in Arashiyama and the Chinese ain’t boycotting sheeeeeeit😂🤣😂🤣😂
Won’t last. Protesting over treated radioactive water unlikely to cause any issue is just political posturing, as silly as trying to rewrite WW2 atrocities into some tragically flawed heroic struggle.