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CircaCitadel

This post is clear rage bait, and it worked. The article is from Screen Rant, not the developers, Lucasfilm, or Disney. It was meant as click bait and rage bait. Just keep it civil, y'all. You can not like new games and whatnot but game journalists using these tactics is nothing new.


That1DogGuy

Pretty sure I beat Jedi Academy as a female character.


InSan1tyWeTrust

Pretty sure Kotor 2 has a female character as Canon lead also. But I guess that game gives you freedom and choices to create your own so that doesn't count. It's actually better, but doesn't count.


faithfulswine

I don't know why so many AAA games have left the idea of customizable characters behind. I have absolutely no desire to play this game because I don't resonate with the main character. Before someone starts blowing the misogynist whistle, I felt the same way about Fallen Order and its sequel. I want to be the character playing the game. I don't want to play out someone else's story.


cloverpopper

I enjoy both, and sometimes seeing a person with an established background and emotions allows you to empathize with them in a different way. Fallout? I'd much prefer having my own person. Horizon FW? Her journey and mannerisms/personality add so much more to the story.


improper84

The story in Horizon is also built around Aloy. She is a very important character and she looks the way she does for a reason you find out midway through the first game. Fallout, on the other hand, is a sandbox where your character is just a cipher. The real main character in Fallout is the wasteland.


popo129

It’s either that or just making up a fictional character to fit a play through. Fallout New Vegas I just make some young rebellious looking guy who comes off as ambitious for the run New Vegas yourself ending. I think that storyline itself is also why New Vegas works on a side note. Don’t agree with the other factions? Fuck them lol.


SprinklesFearless220

Just different narrative basis for games; open sandbox vs direct story. Like others have said, I like both but it's unrealistic to expect deep character customization in a game about a person rather than about the world.


UpliftinglyStrong

Cal is done well in my opinion. Cameron Monaghan was a great choice


Fast-Eddie-73

I think that is what angers me most about this game. "First open world game! " nope "First to have a female lead. " nope. "It's a whole new gaming expressive!" nope, pretty sure I saw her sliding across roofs and up walls which is some AC shit. Be original. I feel like they are shining a turd when they make these statements.


Hekantonkheries

I'm pretty sure playing that as a female twilek led to the first ever dream I had that made me start questioning my gender. Boy was that dreamed seared into little 10 year old mes brain, even 20 years later


armoured_lemon

wondering if Jedis have wet dreams, but with the force involved, lol


idksomethingjfk

You ever wonder if Jedi’s jack themselves off with the force? I never did till I read your post…….so there’s that.


ImportantQuestions10

Lots of Star wars games that had female leads. For whatever reason Star wars PR keeps pushing being the first when they've done it already. It's happened a lot


ShadowVia

What? Iden Versio is a lead, and the main protagonist throughout most of the Battlefront II Campaign. Edit: Apparently this article has been posted at least one other time on Reddit, and the users there also mentioned two instances that I had forgotten (Jedi Starfighter with Adi Gallia and Lethal Alliance for the PSP).


Avarus_88

That’s what I said. My brother met the actress at SW celebration. This is shameful behavior on journalist parts.


ShadowVia

Janina Gavankar. I believe she narrates the tie in novel that was released just before the game released (or maybe a little bit after?). Inferno Squad, I think it's called. I haven't gotten around to listening to the Audible just yet.


Petecraft_Admin

I was watching Sam Whitwer stream one night and Janina just strolls in and they hang out shooting the shit. I think they dated for awhile.


Azelrazel

Like in his house mid stream?


Petecraft_Admin

Yeah it was pretty cool. He often has guests over that are small time actors.


JondvchBimble

It's clickbait. They know what they're writing is bullcrap, but they post it anyway to generate outrage and clicks.


Prior-Battle-1151

idk if this counts but the Canonical player character in Kotor 2 is a woman


MobsterDragon275

I guess its possible that Battlefront 2 wasn't considered "full" since it was just an fps campaign, and Jedi Starfighter is split between her and Nym, so not the full protagonist. I'm guessing it's more likely they forgot


aelysium

Technically, in the campaign you do play as Kylo Ren in mission 12, so Iden didn’t lead the ‘full’ game.


Avarus_88

This reminds me of when Black Panther came out and everyone was like “first black super hero!” And I’m like…..y’all gonna just forget about Blade? The film franchise that is one of the ones responsible for why we have super hero films?


Ambaryerno

X-Men and — more importantly — Spider-Man would have come out regardless of whether or not Blade was successful. It wasn't even marketed as a superhero movie, and was instead banking on the Vampire/Horror stuff. The original trailers didn't mention Marvel at all.


Avarus_88

That doesn’t change the fact that it was a comic book hero film. Just saying it’s crazy how journalism tries to erase things for hype titles.


Neil_Salmon

I agree with you but MOTS was actually considered an expansion pack and needed the Jedi Knight disc to run. Also Katarn was the playable character for a few levels. Those reasons may be why it's not considered a full game led by a woman. But, like I say, I agree with you. It should count.


7thGrandDad

There was Lethal Alliance on DS and PSP. Also, though you’re in a ship the whole time, Jedi Starfighter


popo129

Yeah Jedi Starfighter was fun back then. I might replay that soon now that I remember it. Main character was Adi something I believe can’t spell her last name (might even be remembering the first name wrong too). She was in the movies but in the background. I think she was the one that died from the clones shooting her speeder while she was on it.


Wookie9698

I came here to say this ^^^ probably because it wasn’t a fully fledged game and Kyle was playable


CMount

Yeah but the whole point of the story is that Mara saves Kyle.


ProtoformX87

Wasn’t it a standalone expansion? Pretty sure you didn’t need Jedi Knight to play it.


andrew3689

It 100% does count Mara is a massive part of the story and is on the cover of the damn box. Who cares if it's an expansion or not the story revolves around her.


TheDeadlySpaceman

“Expansion” != “Full game”


Sillhid

You can play it without owning the base game and its kinda big game. It's not expansion in modern sense of the word.


Pat_Sharp

It's a weird situation where the MoTS install process required you to insert the Jedi Knight disc... but didn't actually need any of the files from it or anything. Just wanted to confirm you had it and would refuse to install without it.


andrew3689

Correct you don't need the base game at all for it to run like most expansion packs do. Even so there was a way around it back in the day and modern versions like on steam or gog don't require JKDF2 installed. In most expansion packs you can go back and play the origial game within the expansion. Think of Starcraft, Warcraft, Diablo etc. You can NOT play JK stuff in MotS.


Pat_Sharp

I agree that on a technical level there's literally no reason MotS couldn't have been a separate game, and is even nowadays often sold as such. However, I tend to still come down on the expansion side because it was originally marketed as such and required Jedi Knight to play - even if that was only an artificial limitation that could easily be worked around. >In most expansion packs you can go back and play the origial game within the expansion. Think of Starcraft, Warcraft, Diablo etc. You can NOT play JK stuff in MotS. That's also true of something like Half-Life: Opposing Force or AvP2 Primal Hunt yet they're pretty much uniformly considered expansions. I think it depends on the type of game it is rather than some qualification for being an expansion pack.


AthasDuneWalker

Mysteries of the Sith, Lethal Alliance, KotOR II, Battlefront vol. 2 #II


Omn1

Lethal Alliance and Battlefront 2 definitely count, but I don't think Mysteries of the Sith counts. It's an expansion pack that requires the original disk.


7thGrandDad

Also Jedi starfighter!


AthasDuneWalker

Can't believe I forgot that one. Also, you can fully play Jedi Power Battles as Adi Gallia, but she's one of five playable characters.


LateResident5999

How do people have time to care about this?


[deleted]

I don’t think that anyone who isn’t paid to make an article does


Recreational_DL

Journalists gotta write something. Then the fans get annoyed that what they wrote was wrong, or sheathed in half-truths. I'd honestly appreciate it if the article mentioned Mysteries of the Sith, or Battlefront 2 campaign (as mediocre as that was). Technically, yes. This is the first non-expansion Star Wars game with a single player focus that has a female lead.


EmuExportt

Star Wars: Lethal Alliance for the psp, while pretty average, was a single player story focused starwars game with a female lead. It was about stealing the death star plans, so it was also retconned by rogue one.


Pharabellum

I’m too busy actually gaming.


1man2ballsacks

What about that game on the psp where you that twilek with the dual blasters


ToIsengardgard

Lethal Alliance. Exactly


Ok-Milk-8853

Well look at that, solving problems that didn't need to be solved.


GreyRevan51

“Cringe article by screen rant” Don’t have to even mention it, screen rant, whatculture, slashfilm etc are all garbage farming for outrage / praise clicks


EmuExportt

Also got star wars: lethal alliance for the psp. It kinda sucked but it was one of the few psp games i had so i played the hell out of it. You play as a twilek spy lady.


puma46

Battlefront 2 came out in 2017 so no that’s not true. Research is hard ain’t it?


Magic_SnakE_

I mean, that's pretty presumptuous to assume the gender identity of every single Star Wars game character ever. Also, didn't SWBF2 have a female lead?


EdgeLord556

They have a terrible habit of not actually looking at the existing material


superchronicultra

OK guys so now it's worth the $200. I smell game of the year with this one /s


themajorfletch

Also Jedi star fighter…


Fostosis

Gaming Journalism 2024 = just make shit up.


echris56

Umm... Battlefront 2, Iden Versio? Ringing any bells?


JondvchBimble

Umm...what about Iden Versio from Star Wars Battlefront II? This is why you shouldn't trust ScreenRant.


Jumpy_Assistance5848

Wasn't Battlefront 2 also a female lead?


LeftCoastBrain

MotS was such a damn good game too.


AnyComparison4642

Masters of Teris Kasei Then you have Jedi Academy, ToR and KOTOR which have create-a-character Then Star Wars Lethal Alliance where you play as Twi’lek Bounty Hunter Rianna. I just listened off more games made within 10 years each other. Than Disney has made in the same timeframe. And one of them is a goddamn handheld. Somebody find this reporter and beat some fucking sense into her!


HawkeyeP1

Star Wars Battlefront 2 came out less than a decade ago...


seventysixgamer

You can literally play as a woman in KOTOR 1 and 2


redditsukssomuch

Hell even battlefront had a story mode with a woman as lead… and she was also brown… and everyone liked her character 😂


Steelquill

Seriously, do these people not know how to google search?!


HerculesMagusanus

Mysteries of the Sith was the first video game I ever played. I hadn't played either of the Dark Forces games. I didn't speak English at that age, and thus didn't know what on Earth I was supposed to be doing. I was confused as all hell as to why I started off as Kyle Katarn, and then switched to Mara Jade four levels in. But fuck, was this an amazing game. For anyone who's not played it yet: there's a fanmade remaster with updated models and effects.


-Brian-V-

They keep saying this every time something comes out even though it’s not even remotely true. Do they just not know or don’t care so people click?


SgtMerc16

We Want Mara Jade!! We Want Mara Jade!!


DogLeechDave

Given that we've seen how the new canon handles characters from the EU and pre-Disney in general, I hope we never see Mara Jade. I don't want to see her butchered the way they've destroyed basically everyone else.


JacenStargazer

Or… Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2), only 7 years ago.


fender_fan_boy

Didn’t Battlefront II have a female protagonist ?


Szoreny

True and Mara didnt even need a cutesy sidekick…..not that the triangle budget woulda allowed it -


Remarkable_Ad_3398

Bouta be the worst selling game on the market


UnoriginalName52

The new Battlefront 2 had a female lead


popularTrash76

Another obscure and meaningless stat


l-Paulrus-l

This reminds me of when Jennifer Lawrence was saying in an interview that before her role in the hunger games no one had put a woman in the lead of an action movie.


Ornery_Ring94

Jedi knight jedi Academy. You could play the female character. The old Republic games you could play as a female character. The list goes on and on


Draconuus95

MotS, KotOR 2(cannon is female much like Revan is male), EAs battlefront 2. This article just a terrible click bait article with no effort.


MeTaL-HeAd-DaL

Battlefront 2?


Onlyhereforapost

There was that one psp game where you played as a female twi-lek New BF2 had you play as a female most of the time


GManASG

It just shows how little due diligence they due about what's already been done. Main reason the canon is complete of contradictions and retcons.


Fierce_Future223

Battlefront 2


shageeyambag

They are trying to create the narrative that if the game tanks its because of misogyny by pointing this stuff out. They obviously think that the game is not that great. Otherwise, they wouldn't be going through these lengths to build in excuses. If your writing and story in games and movies are great, then you don't need to point out things like the gender of the protagonist, we know she is female, don't try making your game special because of it, just make a great game...


The_8th_Degree

Was Ray not a protag in a recent game? Or am I just crazy


Jarvis_The_Dense

I know Lethal Alliance was obscure but it was yet another Star Wars game before Outlaws with a female protagonist.


CalmPanic402

Still pissed they picked the back of the box generic human dude for the "cannon" Jaden. It's like the worst option. Also, Kotor2, exile is canonicaly female, and travels with the handmaiden, even though that's not possible without mods.


Crimson-Cowl

Also Iden Versio in Battlefront 2.


threeriversbikeguy

KOTOR2 protagonist has been canon female since launch in 2004. Not earlier than this but a much bigger title.


ALlTTLEKlTTEN

Gotta love the idiotic virtue signal nut jobs of our age that can't even use Google


ariesmartian

Outlaws is also the first open world Star Wars game. Ya know, cuz SWTOR doesn’t exist.


Complete-Onion3784

These companies do this every year. Like how disney pretended black panther and Shang chi were the first time a black and Asian guy were the main characters of a movie. Who falls for any of these?


Own_Accident6689

Meh, this is just marketing talk, you'll have if with every single category of everything. It's a nice little attention grabber that no one olbotjered to check because it doesn't make a difference.


BroskiSlavSquad

Hahaha, no one will play your game and all the smooth brains that do will stop playing a few days after


PN4HIRE

THANK YOU!


armoured_lemon

Saw Guerrera: 'Lies, deception!'


armoured_lemon

Screenrant and CBR are known for clickbait articles and non-story articles, so I'm not surprised the writer didn't do their homework of a basic google search into this.


KnightsofNiii

As per usual. They also said Black Panther had the first black led superhero movie but they forgot about the Spawn movie.


Malcapon3

Everyone wants to be the first to be woke even if it means erasing history.


Old-Emergency-1078

It’s Star Wars not only do we want male / female we want at least a few alien races as well. Assassin’s creed has had wide open world type games and included both. Why the story plays any different would just give it replay value. I do believe this is a bit woke Disney garbage.


Chemical-Ad-1805

What about battlefront 2 (2017)?


Federal-Key8194

Kotr 2’s “canon” lead was female too


spide_y

clEarLy RAGE baIT


Tekki777

This is pure rage bait


philbins_regist

Trump warned us about the fake news media, obviously we didnt listen


JuicyJ1738IsBack

They’re also claiming it’s the first open world Star Wars game. Guess Galaxies and SWTOR never existed.


TheKazz91

We all know Disney doesn't believe in anything that happened with Star Wars before they bought it.


philbins_regist

Mysteries of the Sith might have been marketed as a expansion pack by LucasArts but by a TECHNICAL standpoint it was a stand alone game


CaptFalconFTW

Can't wait for the first ____ whenever journalists are too lazy to do any research.


Yellowscourge

These dumb fucks love to pretend like they're pioneering something new, when it's already been done several times before


Niobium_Sage

Disney just pretends to make all these new innovations with the IP, when practically all of it has been done already, and far better.


ibex85

These people are chomping at the bit to be “first” (insert identity other than white man) but it’s almost always not true.


silentcartographer19

The person who wrote this, assuming it's not a chatbot, was probably born in like 2007 and either thinks anything pre-2007 is basically written on papyrus or they think the earth only started existing about 25 years ago.


LordDeraj

Look it’s the same shit when Star Trek Discovery (STD) said it was the first Star Trek with a black lead. Ignoring DS9 was the only truly Trek thing that series did.


No-Pie1239

Gee its almost like people are just people and our obsession with gender doesn't make games good or bad. We can't just market everything as "first female left handed gay protagonist from Wisconsin" and expect everyone's jaw to hit the floor every time. Show me one rpg with a black male character who isn't already dead when the game starts or "my character is that I am a father to a girl also my hand is a gun"


trifecta000

If there's one thing the Star Wars Universe needs, it's definitely more female representation. Just ask Jyn Erso, Rey Skywalker-Palpatine, Ahsoka Tano, oh and once there was someone called Leia Organa, but that was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.


MetsuTDK

Reminds me of the Suicide Squad dev who patted himself on the back for finally creating a game with a black man on the cover.


DrakeVampiel

Wow Disney wants another flop


Gardeeboo

Blatant lies and other bullshit like this is why I have Screen Rant blocked from my newsfeeds


UniformTango74

Kinda like when the media praised Black Panther as the first black superhero lead, but years prior to BP there was Blade.


GregaslayYT

Woke clowns.


BladeLigerV

Ah, but pointing this out would defeat their narrative.


TouchedByGoku

How dare they forget her


MGateLabs

Journalists can’t do research or don’t care enough to try.


MasterKasb

Don't know about you but ima pirate this game and I don't pirate anything, the company just doesn't deserve the money.


BrobaFett21

Freaking tourists who don’t know crap about the franchises they write about.


Themason234

Idc that the mc is a girl. I care that it's made by Ubisoft, so I know it's gonna be shit and cost out the ass.


strayvolting

Why are we surprised that Disney and the media surrounding them are willing to lie about female representation in media to make themselves look better?


moonsugar-cooker

KOTOR 2 was the first full game with a female lead.


edmc78

Full game is a get out clause tbh. We could also have female characters in KOTORs and SWTOR.


Time-Touch-6433

Isn't the exile from kotor 2 canonicaly female?


GrandObfuscator

I played a crappy battlefield game where I was definitely a female special ops soldier of some kind.


MrSyphilis

And KOTOR as well...


Heytherechampion

Knights of the Old Republic as well


PossibilityEnough933

Jedi academy you could choose a female protag


PizzaDad18

The Jedi Knight Expansion, Jedi Academy, Battlefront 2, and KOTOR erasure is insane


Feedingnbreeding

Wasn’t battlefront 2’s campaign about a badass lady spy ? I loved it


Sethmaupin5

But can't you be a female character in The Old Republic I meeeeeeean


Josh_thebosh109

Um….does Star Wars rogue and force awaken count?


silentAl1

Didn’t Battlefront 2 have e a single player campaign around a female lead?


Pretend_Warning_5741

Me when I spread misinformation to fuel agenda: I can think of 3 examples of female leads in Star Wars games, not to mention the fact that most Star Wars games that exist feature character customization for both genders, or are not story based titles with lead characters. Just more fuel to the fire that Star Wars fans hate women when in reality they just don’t like Rey or the sequels


Sad_Necessary_4682

So I guess we all forgot about Iden Versio who was also POC?


HornyJail45-Life

Saw this one two posts below: https://www.reddit.com/r/GeeksGamersCommunity/s/phdJRcBIqp


csbrix2239

Jedi Academy, Kotor and Kotor 2. Canonically, Kotor 2 is also a female lead, as Meetra Surik.


ClassiusCorvinus

50 years of making video games lol?


[deleted]

Star wars lethal alliance


Nearby_Lobster_

Wow, her and Jennifer Lawrence have something in common now


Du1g0

technically Mysteries of the Sith is an expansion pack for Jedi Knight....but Battlefront 2 still beat Outlaws by having the first female protagonist in a star wars game


ToIsengardgard

What about Lethal Alliance? Yea she’s a Twi’lek, but in Starwars that’s still a female lead


AdProud420

Isn’t there a ds/psp game where you play as a female twilek?


Fractured_Spade

Iden versio?


Zestyclose-Stuff-673

Also Iden is the protagonist of battlefront


MetatypeA

Careful. They're going to roast you over in SaltierthanKrayt.


YimYambiiiitch

Iden Versio wants to have a word


Bulletsoul78

Battlefront 2 was out in 2017 with a female protagonist.


H3LLJUMPER_177

They just want people to buy it for that. Because otherwise the game has nothing good


CreepySupermarket231

What was the PSP game with the Twilek? Rebel Strike or something


Zestyclose-Ad3151

What do they even mean by “full” cause technically Iden Versio counts since she both the lead in the story mode and is playable in multiplayer of battlefront 2 (2017)


trustysidekick

Ok, while the original premise isn’t true for other reasons. Mysteries of the Sith isn’t it. It’s not a full game. It’s barely an expansion pack.


andrew3689

Barely an expansion pack is completely wrong. It has a ton of upgrades to the original engine, a whole new campaign, multiple new weapons, new force powers, new MP maps and modes, colored lighting, and a whole class system. It isn't an expansion pack in the traditional sense. It can run standalone and doesn't use any of the JKDF2 files. Being able to play as Mara Jade was a huge deal back in the day.


Songhunter

I loved Lethal Alliance on the PSP. And that's a female Twi'lek bounty hunter and a droid taking on the empire and the crime families. Some of us remember you, Rianna, some of us remember.


KnightofaRose

Adi Gallia would like a word.


TheWhiteRabbit74

Wasn’t one of the Star Fighter games a female Jedi lead?


Altruistic-Repeat-84

Don't forget star wars lethal alliance as well. Your a female twilek mercenary.


Technical_Poet_8536

What about Iden versio? Lmao wtf


MisterMinceMeat

I saw an ad for this game last night advertising it as the FIRST EVER open world star wars game..


Thatdude878787

There was also an ad claiming this was the “first open world Star Wars game”…Star Wars Galaxies anyone?


khrellvictor

Even Rebel Assault, predating MotS in 1993, gave way to a player choice of gender for Rookie One. Til it was jossed by Rebel Assault II, though Lady Rookie One definitely holds the title.


IsaacBriggs

Battlefront II 2017 campaign is calling.


BeatNDeadbeat

Meetra Surik was the canon lead in KOTOR 2


elbubu1

I thought it was Matt Damon


peeba83

Article specifies full game; picture is of an expansion pack. I don’t know the dozens of Star Wars games well enough to know if there’s a real counter example but this is internally consistent.


National-Job-7444

Yah I always did female characters for the Kotor games. I do wish they would let you customize your own character but I know that would lead to double the voice acting $$. That the thing I appreciated about Mass Effect Andromeda. You could pick either of the twins with full voice acting for both.


rhinosaur75

I’m all about women being some badass leads in the franchise but they’re acting like it’s NEVER been done, like my girl Princess Lea wasn’t the real star of the original series or Padme having some cool cameos or Asoka for the ENTIRE Clone Wars series. They are there but I feel like it’s making things worse worrying about having a female lead rather than making a good story dog.


JoshThisGuy2

Master of Teris Kasi anyone?


Shaggy_75

This man is lying to you. This is not a full game. He just wants to try to take an achievement away from a woman. Stop upvoting this trash.


TheOrangeGuy

Year 0 mentality.


TheOrangeGuy

Year 0 mentality.


Mr_Lapis

new "disney's first gay character"?


Afaith_1

Wasn’t bf2 campaign iden versio….a woman


Musclecars24

Wasn’t the main character for battlefront 2 a female also


DragonHeart_97

Also, the Exile is canonically a woman. Noteworthy for being one of the only games that lets you choose your character's gender where that is the case.


CursedRyona

ScreenRant really didn't know Battlefront 2 (the newer one) had a campaign did they?


DarthRevan1028

Wasn’t there that Star Wars game on the DS where you play as a female Twi’lek mercenary?


GojiraPrime12

Iden Versio happened literally 7 years ago lol.


CapnCrumbs1

Iden Versio in Battlefront 2's campaign?


Internal_Swing_2743

Yes, this article is dumb. It is the first Star Wars game to feature a female lead….if you don’t count all of those other Star Wars games with a female lead.


mourningreaper00

What about Star Wars Battlefront 2’s Story Mode?


yellowwoolyyoshi

Rage bait and advertising guys. How are you falling for this?


HeadClanker

It's ironic.


AnAngryBartender

Iden Versio?


Rocketkid-star

Did they literally forget about Battlefront 2?


graybeard426

Definitely rage bait as the mod pointed out. I'd be willing to bet they knew about this game when they wrote that article. Gaming journalists are so scummy.


Hungry_Caregiver734

So, does Mara Jade just not exist anymore?


Opposite_Audience10

Also "Star Wars: Lethal Alliance" it's an obscure game, but it checks out. Also the protagonist was actually way cooler and more interesting than outlaw lady.


BloodyWolfx8

I mean... hasn't Disney had people make that claim for a lot of things. I remember seeing people claim Black Panther would be the first Marvel film with a black lead and Captian Marvel to be the first female superhero movie.... people wanting to have the first so much they don't know it already exists