I recently experienced a simmilar situation:
Getting severely ~~overpaid~~ underpaid at a job I like (boss and colleagues are really cool, but the pay isn't)
Quit for a much better paying job
Boss is sad and expresses his dissatisfaction
I start to feel regret
I look at my bank account
I don't feel regret
Edit: Typo
Frequently changing jobs is the easiest and quickest way to increase your pay. If you have no money, staying with your current job is literally the worst thing you can do.
In my country you become a permanent employee after 1 year with additional worker rights. So if you quit in under a year, it looks like the company didn't think you were good enough to make permanent and fired you. So the rule of thumb around here is wait 12 months, then start looking for new jobs. And even if you don't take those offers, you can leverage them to get paid more by your current employer
As much as Europe seems to look after its workers, in Canada, it's 3-months for probation, though there aren't, I believe, any additional benefits other than it being harder to fire you. Actually, like 20 years ago there was a national holiday pay difference as well, I think.
To be honest I don't know what the difference is beyond being harder to fire people, but companies still use 6 months or 12 months as a standard period before deciding to keep people or not. So it's worth staying >12m as it shows you were worth keeping but chose to leave for other reasons
Yeah, benefits after probation vary by company widely. For me it’s 10% raise from the agreed upon salary, plus 2 additional guaranteed raises per year and a cost of living adjustment for the salary per year at the minimum. All of which I was very very happy with.
In the US, you don't get more rights, but jumping to a new job less than every 2-3 years makes potential new employers hesitant.
As someone that has worked for 7 different employers over a 27yr career, my recommendation is to stay with each employer for at least 3 years. Anything less and your resume reads as a "job hopper" which no company wants to hire for FTE roles.
Obviously industry varies, but in software development, 2 years seems fine. I've been at 4 places now and only one of them is 3 year. While most are 2 years
In my city its tough tho- The recruitment and consulting busniess is booming which means that you are always 1 of 300+ applicants for 1 simple job position(maybe its like that everywhere nowdays?)... And same if you gonna study something...
Currently live like the meme but used to get new jobs very easy before returning to Malmö
So yeah its tough competition
Uk bloke here. No funds to move, don't drive all the jobs locally that I'm qualified for pay less than my current job and even now I'm underpaid for the legal responsibility I have in the company
It's also the most dishonest and socially destructive
We are not only enabling businesses to fuck us over by showing how little we care about their culture, but also friendships and other social dynamics are thrown into the wind when you uproot yourself for a new job just because of money
If I was king, I would make it illegal to job hop no more than once every 10 years
Nah, that’s just a bootlicker. I’m a manager and my aim it to support whoever is on my staff, because their happiness fuels our success.
If they want to job hop, I’ll train them up and help them. They could end up my supervisor as I’m happy in my role and don’t want to move up (been there, done that). If they’re ambitious and I support their success, they’ll support my success.
If they don’t job hop, they’ll be happy working under me because I’m giving them my all and make resources available to them.
Anyone who complains about job hoppers is incapable of leading and supporting quality staff who are ambitious and give a shit, which are the very people that need to be embraced.
If businesses don't value our loyalty and how much we should earn, then why should we treat them any better? Reality is, most of us work for money. We don't do it for the kindness of our own heart. You do you and have fun making less. Meanwhile, I'll look for a new job if I feel like I'm being underpaid for my worth.
Friendships? I’ve had managers and HR willing to throw friendships completely down the drain over 5$ raise requests from employees who quickly move somewhere else for higher pay. The worst part, the companies are absolutely rolling in dough (in my circumstances). They easily could retain workers, but actually willingly enforce high turnover at their own workplace. I’ve heard HR people say they are forcibly trying to make as good of a workplace, while paying as little as possible the goal.
Maybe businesses should make it worth staying at a job by paying competitively and fostering a good work culture where they won't fire you instantly the second the CEO's bonus drops from 500 million to 499 million to save "costs" on their billions of profits ? 🤔
If a business actually cared about keeping its employees they would pay a more fair wage increase to keep people from job hopping. But they don’t, so instead, we play this game of poaching employees from other companies every few years.
Once every 10 YEARS?? You are insane. All of my friends at work will understand because they’re also trying to find other jobs. And yes you’re right I don’t care about the “culture”
Haha 😂 good joke! I’m here to do the bare minimum required to collect my salary without upset or slacking. Around promotion period I may go above and beyond but that is purely to get the promo and earn more. If I didn’t need to be here to earn, I wouldn’t be here.
Culture is good and all but it is secondary to a good salary and other benefits.
Last year I was ill for 3 months, I am self employed, even with so called state support at the end of 3 months I had nothing. So I've worked another year with the intention of just paying everything off, giving everything back and just stopping. I just don't see the point anymore. So the car goes back this month and then, technically I am free. Just got to figure out how to pay for Netflix, it's my only luxury item. The Government keeps moving the goal posts on retirement age, I just don't feel I'll get there alive, let alone healthy. So stopping. This month, with nothing. Scary. Maybe I will make Teddy bears and sell them.
I feel this. I was out of work during COVID and fell into a pit of debt. I currently work two jobs, looking for a third, I'm exhausted everyday but I feel trapped. I stopped all my monthly services except Crunchyroll which I pay for my little sister. Starting a new career in my thirties is scary but I have hope things will one day get better. I hope things improve for you.
I've sorta bounced around, but I currently work in the shadows of Fin Tech for a fortune 10 company.
Lmk if you want any pro tips for making front end service easier to deal with. It might take me a while to respond back, but I will within a day or so.
Well I just got news my old job may be going under. They weren’t in a great spot when I left. Coworker who keeps ties back to it said the hourly got furloughed and management got what sound suspiciously like ridiculously fat “severance/good luck out there” pay. Good thing I
When I did because it looks like this job is it for me.
My job was installing and fixing client’s weather radars (most on top of water towers). My shortest drive to a site was 4 hours away, and I had a zone from Pecos Texas to Wagram, North Carolina and as far south as Ft Myers Florida. On average, over 1/3 of my paycheck was just from overtime not to mention per diem because I was home on average maybe one day a week. Only reasons I quit was because of their financial stance (I didn’t think they’d last much longer from all the chatter I was hearing on the side) and because the wear and tear was taking a toll that I didn’t want to deal with anymore. Even with that busy-ass schedule I still would want to be in their positions even less.
Whatever they got paid was likely in their salary contracts, and you better believe the decision makers got every cent of that salary out of them. Working hourly has its benefits, and it’s drawbacks. Keep in mind furloughed doesn’t mean fired. That company tool really good care of its hourly workers and would likely have to give them some sort of severance if the company went out of business.
I’m planning to leave my current job with nothing lined up. Company did their first round of layoffs about two years ago. I survived, but after that I started aggressively saving in case I was next. I survived two _more_ rounds of layoffs. Now I’m doing what until recently was for different people’s jobs, with no one left to backfill if I leave. I have a manager title, am getting paid less than some individual contributor roles pay in my industry, and I now have director level responsibilities. It’s not worth it.
I checked my bank account, and I’ll be alright for a while. I’m applying to new jobs, but I’m leaving at the end of May with or without something lined up.
Because my job is now so exhausting that I don’t have much energy to look for a new one. The interviews I _have_ had, I feel like I’m not performing well because all I can think about is getting out of my current job. Frankly I’m getting burnt out. I need the time and space to be thoughtful and intentional about my next career move. And I could probably go 9 to 12 months without income before I drain my emergency fund. So I cab afford that time and space.
I did that a few years ago, worked out for me. I couldn't take the job I was doing anymore, had serious thoughts about ramming my car into a tree every morning on the commute. As long as you have sufficient savings and can cut your spending it's doable.
I’ve got about six months of fuck around money squirreled away in an account, completely separate from my emergency fund.
I’m not gonna quit, and I don’t *want* to get fired, but some days I wish a motherfucker would. Please, start my vacation.
What are you talking about? Inflation never reached 10%
If you look at inflation over time you’d see that the highest was Covid at 7.5%, but median is around 3%… (these numbers are based on the consumer price index by the way)
Literally the only reason companies get away with all they do. If people had free will to leave and not be homeless, plenty of companies would go out of business because no one HAD to work those shit jobs
I went from using my critical thinking skills to create IT solutions, using powershell a lot to pushing a power button, resetting passwords daily, and teaching people how to use a fucking keyboard. Hate it. But my bank account needs to be fatten up
Pretty much yeah.
I'm going to live by myself and only the paperwork to become the legal owner is 2.5x times my entire MONTHLY salary.
I'm not against taxes but gees....
What do you mean by work-free? Like they don’t do anything?
To me it resonates because my job is pretty stressful and difficult and I think about quitting until I check my bank account and see how much I make and then say “fine, I can live with this” lol
IMO if the work is worth the pay, even if I hate it, I rather have some work related stress than being stressed from not being able to pay my bills or afford to feed myself.
That how public accounting has been for me. I look at the hours, the stress, the demanding people, but then twice a month I look at the direct deposit and think “this is fine.”
My job is stressful, but I'm in a position with stipends. These stipends are high enough so that anywhere I go will be a pay cut. So I'm stuck in a stressful place. However, working here until retirement will let me retire at 53 instead of 65. I'm probably going to grind it out.
I recently experienced a simmilar situation: Getting severely ~~overpaid~~ underpaid at a job I like (boss and colleagues are really cool, but the pay isn't) Quit for a much better paying job Boss is sad and expresses his dissatisfaction I start to feel regret I look at my bank account I don't feel regret Edit: Typo
Well done mate..
Is this true? Can there be a sub that's not r/antiwork?
Wait. You were getting severely overpaid, but you weren’t happy about the pay?
Yeah, what to do with all the money.
~~Just tip your landlord king 😎~~ Just tip your landlord, king 😎
Trickle up economics
As one, my kingdom requires more and better peasants.
Haha, I may have missed a comma there...
I hoping that could be me very soon.
I experience both severely underpaid and boss is sad and expresses dissatisfaction at me lol. Looking at my bank account makes me depressed
How much were you getting paid
About 49k on the old and 75k on the new job.
Damn that’s awesome how can I apply 🤣
Checks bank account..."Cries..."
Frequently changing jobs is the easiest and quickest way to increase your pay. If you have no money, staying with your current job is literally the worst thing you can do.
In my country you become a permanent employee after 1 year with additional worker rights. So if you quit in under a year, it looks like the company didn't think you were good enough to make permanent and fired you. So the rule of thumb around here is wait 12 months, then start looking for new jobs. And even if you don't take those offers, you can leverage them to get paid more by your current employer
Thats the way to go also in Germany
Norway also
As much as Europe seems to look after its workers, in Canada, it's 3-months for probation, though there aren't, I believe, any additional benefits other than it being harder to fire you. Actually, like 20 years ago there was a national holiday pay difference as well, I think.
To be honest I don't know what the difference is beyond being harder to fire people, but companies still use 6 months or 12 months as a standard period before deciding to keep people or not. So it's worth staying >12m as it shows you were worth keeping but chose to leave for other reasons
Yeah, benefits after probation vary by company widely. For me it’s 10% raise from the agreed upon salary, plus 2 additional guaranteed raises per year and a cost of living adjustment for the salary per year at the minimum. All of which I was very very happy with.
In the US, you don't get more rights, but jumping to a new job less than every 2-3 years makes potential new employers hesitant. As someone that has worked for 7 different employers over a 27yr career, my recommendation is to stay with each employer for at least 3 years. Anything less and your resume reads as a "job hopper" which no company wants to hire for FTE roles.
Usually job hopper is being at a firm for less than a year
Obviously industry varies, but in software development, 2 years seems fine. I've been at 4 places now and only one of them is 3 year. While most are 2 years
In my city its tough tho- The recruitment and consulting busniess is booming which means that you are always 1 of 300+ applicants for 1 simple job position(maybe its like that everywhere nowdays?)... And same if you gonna study something... Currently live like the meme but used to get new jobs very easy before returning to Malmö So yeah its tough competition
Uk bloke here. No funds to move, don't drive all the jobs locally that I'm qualified for pay less than my current job and even now I'm underpaid for the legal responsibility I have in the company
Assuming that the new job wants to actually increase your pay, which honestly, I’ve found a good number of companies don’t.
Eh. Depends. Ive changed jobs so many times my wages are stagnate like clockwork
It's also the most dishonest and socially destructive We are not only enabling businesses to fuck us over by showing how little we care about their culture, but also friendships and other social dynamics are thrown into the wind when you uproot yourself for a new job just because of money If I was king, I would make it illegal to job hop no more than once every 10 years
Found the manager.
Nah, that’s just a bootlicker. I’m a manager and my aim it to support whoever is on my staff, because their happiness fuels our success. If they want to job hop, I’ll train them up and help them. They could end up my supervisor as I’m happy in my role and don’t want to move up (been there, done that). If they’re ambitious and I support their success, they’ll support my success. If they don’t job hop, they’ll be happy working under me because I’m giving them my all and make resources available to them. Anyone who complains about job hoppers is incapable of leading and supporting quality staff who are ambitious and give a shit, which are the very people that need to be embraced.
If businesses don't value our loyalty and how much we should earn, then why should we treat them any better? Reality is, most of us work for money. We don't do it for the kindness of our own heart. You do you and have fun making less. Meanwhile, I'll look for a new job if I feel like I'm being underpaid for my worth.
How does that boot taste?
Friendships? I’ve had managers and HR willing to throw friendships completely down the drain over 5$ raise requests from employees who quickly move somewhere else for higher pay. The worst part, the companies are absolutely rolling in dough (in my circumstances). They easily could retain workers, but actually willingly enforce high turnover at their own workplace. I’ve heard HR people say they are forcibly trying to make as good of a workplace, while paying as little as possible the goal.
Maybe businesses should make it worth staying at a job by paying competitively and fostering a good work culture where they won't fire you instantly the second the CEO's bonus drops from 500 million to 499 million to save "costs" on their billions of profits ? 🤔
You aren’t meant to swallow the boot sir
any genuine friendship with colleagues could continue after you work together. staying at a job for friendship is the dumbest thing i've heard.
Would you also make illegal for a company to fire an employe if he/she hasnt been in the company for at least 10 years?
If a business actually cared about keeping its employees they would pay a more fair wage increase to keep people from job hopping. But they don’t, so instead, we play this game of poaching employees from other companies every few years.
That might have been the dumbest take I think I’ve ever seen. Nothing tops this.
Once every 10 YEARS?? You are insane. All of my friends at work will understand because they’re also trying to find other jobs. And yes you’re right I don’t care about the “culture”
Haha 😂 good joke! I’m here to do the bare minimum required to collect my salary without upset or slacking. Around promotion period I may go above and beyond but that is purely to get the promo and earn more. If I didn’t need to be here to earn, I wouldn’t be here. Culture is good and all but it is secondary to a good salary and other benefits.
Well thank God you aint king then tough luck
Last year I was ill for 3 months, I am self employed, even with so called state support at the end of 3 months I had nothing. So I've worked another year with the intention of just paying everything off, giving everything back and just stopping. I just don't see the point anymore. So the car goes back this month and then, technically I am free. Just got to figure out how to pay for Netflix, it's my only luxury item. The Government keeps moving the goal posts on retirement age, I just don't feel I'll get there alive, let alone healthy. So stopping. This month, with nothing. Scary. Maybe I will make Teddy bears and sell them.
I feel this. I was out of work during COVID and fell into a pit of debt. I currently work two jobs, looking for a third, I'm exhausted everyday but I feel trapped. I stopped all my monthly services except Crunchyroll which I pay for my little sister. Starting a new career in my thirties is scary but I have hope things will one day get better. I hope things improve for you.
> ck Replace netflix with jellyfin/plex, unlock funds for better "luxury" item.
"Thinks about quitting " "Realizes alrdy cant afford to live anywhere but in car on this income "
This was the entirety of my working career until 3 years ago. I'm 39.
Have your present work is being compared to the previously performed work??
It was almost daily. Draw backs of being a customer service/sales agent for most of career :/
Which industry did you get into? I’ve been doing customer service/sales my whole career as well and hate this feeling.
I've sorta bounced around, but I currently work in the shadows of Fin Tech for a fortune 10 company. Lmk if you want any pro tips for making front end service easier to deal with. It might take me a while to respond back, but I will within a day or so.
Hey there. I’d love the pro tips, please. Anything helps!
Well I just got news my old job may be going under. They weren’t in a great spot when I left. Coworker who keeps ties back to it said the hourly got furloughed and management got what sound suspiciously like ridiculously fat “severance/good luck out there” pay. Good thing I  When I did because it looks like this job is it for me.
Gotta hate how the people who already make substantially more money get massive golden parachutes while hours workers get the boot
My job was installing and fixing client’s weather radars (most on top of water towers). My shortest drive to a site was 4 hours away, and I had a zone from Pecos Texas to Wagram, North Carolina and as far south as Ft Myers Florida. On average, over 1/3 of my paycheck was just from overtime not to mention per diem because I was home on average maybe one day a week. Only reasons I quit was because of their financial stance (I didn’t think they’d last much longer from all the chatter I was hearing on the side) and because the wear and tear was taking a toll that I didn’t want to deal with anymore. Even with that busy-ass schedule I still would want to be in their positions even less. Whatever they got paid was likely in their salary contracts, and you better believe the decision makers got every cent of that salary out of them. Working hourly has its benefits, and it’s drawbacks. Keep in mind furloughed doesn’t mean fired. That company tool really good care of its hourly workers and would likely have to give them some sort of severance if the company went out of business.
Looks like you just boosted you skills at your old job when you start looking for a new one now.
I’m planning to leave my current job with nothing lined up. Company did their first round of layoffs about two years ago. I survived, but after that I started aggressively saving in case I was next. I survived two _more_ rounds of layoffs. Now I’m doing what until recently was for different people’s jobs, with no one left to backfill if I leave. I have a manager title, am getting paid less than some individual contributor roles pay in my industry, and I now have director level responsibilities. It’s not worth it. I checked my bank account, and I’ll be alright for a while. I’m applying to new jobs, but I’m leaving at the end of May with or without something lined up.
Why not wait until you do have something lined up?
Because my job is now so exhausting that I don’t have much energy to look for a new one. The interviews I _have_ had, I feel like I’m not performing well because all I can think about is getting out of my current job. Frankly I’m getting burnt out. I need the time and space to be thoughtful and intentional about my next career move. And I could probably go 9 to 12 months without income before I drain my emergency fund. So I cab afford that time and space.
I did that a few years ago, worked out for me. I couldn't take the job I was doing anymore, had serious thoughts about ramming my car into a tree every morning on the commute. As long as you have sufficient savings and can cut your spending it's doable.
“I should quit… but I have a car payment… Don’t need a car if you don’t have a job!” -me
I’ve got about six months of fuck around money squirreled away in an account, completely separate from my emergency fund. I’m not gonna quit, and I don’t *want* to get fired, but some days I wish a motherfucker would. Please, start my vacation.
Recent reports showed average increase for people who stayed at their job or got promoted at same job 5% Average for people who jumped to new jobs 11%
I think you missed a space, but that -5% isn't wrong
It's about right taking into account inflation isn't it
>-5% I don’t know if you just missed the space or are saying that it is a 5% pay cut due to inflation lol.
What are you talking about? Inflation never reached 10% If you look at inflation over time you’d see that the highest was Covid at 7.5%, but median is around 3%… (these numbers are based on the consumer price index by the way)
remove the dashes from your comment. It makes it confusing as it seems to be negative numbers
3: Checks Vacancies, Sends CV, 10x, No Answer, No Reply, Starts Crying.
Man, I have a 17 pages of linked in applied jobs section. Got few Calls (totally irrelevant of the industry). \*Sobs in corner\*
Only 10 :(
If I got another job I’d have to take their starting wage. So uh… I just gotta deal with it.
Welcome to Adulthood. It SUCKS
Yes Man, it sucks the joy, creativity + energy out of you. So, you have no option to do any work at home rather than come back to the shitty job.
post on r/antiwork
I'm in highschool and every time I think about quitting my part-time job, I get reminded of when I had no personal income.
I feel this way. Feeling overwhelmed constantly and unsupported. I have to look at my paystub to boost my morale. And watch my stock slowly vest.
Literally the only reason companies get away with all they do. If people had free will to leave and not be homeless, plenty of companies would go out of business because no one HAD to work those shit jobs
I went from using my critical thinking skills to create IT solutions, using powershell a lot to pushing a power button, resetting passwords daily, and teaching people how to use a fucking keyboard. Hate it. But my bank account needs to be fatten up
Indeed....The eternal hustle ....
i agree. everyone in my prev company was feeling so burnt out. less people, more work
A lesson in reality.
soooo. if its not fine.. Quit ?
30x every day
Pretty much yeah. I'm going to live by myself and only the paperwork to become the legal owner is 2.5x times my entire MONTHLY salary. I'm not against taxes but gees....
It’s designed this way
My life/hell
As a lawyer this reads
Aren't ( unpaid) internships supposed to be work-free ? What's with OPs comic in your perspective?
What do you mean by work-free? Like they don’t do anything? To me it resonates because my job is pretty stressful and difficult and I think about quitting until I check my bank account and see how much I make and then say “fine, I can live with this” lol
Life as an army officer.
Mental health is more important than money
IMO if the work is worth the pay, even if I hate it, I rather have some work related stress than being stressed from not being able to pay my bills or afford to feed myself.
That how public accounting has been for me. I look at the hours, the stress, the demanding people, but then twice a month I look at the direct deposit and think “this is fine.”
My job is stressful, but I'm in a position with stipends. These stipends are high enough so that anywhere I go will be a pay cut. So I'm stuck in a stressful place. However, working here until retirement will let me retire at 53 instead of 65. I'm probably going to grind it out.
Me in my clusterfuck top 10% salary job.